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Who is the best fast-bowler in the Test format at the moment?

Who is the best fast-bowler in the Test format at the moment?

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cricketjoshila said:
Abbas is not even on the same planet as anderson.
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Of course not, I would never dare to dream it.

But on planet UAE, it has to be admitted that Abbas appears better than Anderson.
And curiously enough, the same anomaly appears to hold on planet England

Abbas 2018 Tests Ave 14 SR 32
Anderson 2018 Tests Ave 19 SR 34
 
I think its Rabada, then daylight.

Then Abbas, Hazlewoood & Anderson all in a bunch together.

The rest can be good players, but aren't in the conversation of who is the best.

I think Ishant and Gabriel could feature if they maintain their standard for another year but I'm not willing to put them up top after just one excellent year. Abbas has been good for a couple of years, even if he has played far fewer Tests.

As for up and comers- Lungi Ngidi...
 
Abbas is a fantastic bowler but it is early days for him. Let him play at least 30 Tests. Rabada for me is the best young bowler and obviously the great James Anderson.
 
Amir and Hasan were best bowlers in the world few months ago.

And Abbas is the best bowler in the world for now.

Shaheen will be next one. Maybe next year?
 
JattMaula said:
Amir and Hasan were best bowlers in the world few months ago.

And Abbas is the best bowler in the world for now.

Shaheen will be next one. Maybe next year?
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In the eyes of most neutrals, Abbas is one of the best.
 
Only on PP can a 1 year old fast bowler with 10-11 matches have 30% vote while the highest wicket taking pacer in the world gets 6% votes!

Side-effects of thinking with heart and not brain.
 
the_outsider said:
Only on PP can a 1 year old fast bowler with 10-11 matches have 30% vote while the highest wicket taking pacer in the world gets 6% votes!

Side-effects of thinking with heart and not brain.
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Absolutely, Steyn should have himself examined, I hope you will write and put him in his place.
 
New Yorker said:
Of course not, I would never dare to dream it.

But on planet UAE, it has to be admitted that Abbas appears better than Anderson.
And curiously enough, the same anomaly appears to hold on planet England

Abbas 2018 Tests Ave 14 SR 32
Anderson 2018 Tests Ave 19 SR 34
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That too with kookaburra vs dukes
 
Stewie said:
No disrespect but have you looked at his test average?
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Kapil "paji" had more things missing from his game than just pace. Hence the average of
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Talk about average when abbas plays half of kapil. For a year many have averaged more than bradman.
 
New Yorker said:
Absolutely, Steyn should have himself examined, I hope you will write and put him in his place.
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Steyn said he can see a future no 1 ranked bowler.

Only PPers with their big hearts converted that into all-time best bowler!

:salute
 
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Think its obvious that some of our friends will take a little time to digest and understand what is happening but let them be.
 
Kudos to all non pakistan bowlers who withstood Amir, Hasan etc in PP race for best bowler. They are now into the third one, Abbas.
 
the_outsider said:
Steyn said he can see a future no 1 ranked bowler.

Only PPers with their big hearts converted that into current all-time best best bowler!
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Acha hain na, in a bit of excitement some people are already ranking him as no 1, and we can see its side effects accross the border.
 
Lol at people comparing Anderson with Abbas. If Abbas, Asif and even Bhuvi had played for England they would have also performed like Anderson in those conditions. :inti
 
the_outsider said:
Steyn said he can see a future no 1 ranked bowler.

Only PPers with their big hearts converted that into all-time best bowler!

:salute
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Silly people. Didn't they notice that the title of thread says best Test bowler, "at the moment." Did you?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol at people comparing Anderson with Abbas. If Abbas, Asif and even Bhuvi had played for England they would have also performed like Anderson in those conditions. :inti
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It's not a hypothetical. Abbas outperformed Anderson and Broad in England this past summer.
 
New Yorker said:
Silly people. Didn't they notice that the title of thread says best Test bowler, "at the moment." Did you?
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As long as Anderson is still playing and bowling like he is, at the moment he is the best in the world.

I know it sounds controversial to rate a bowler with 550+ wickets higher than a bowler with 50 odd wickets. But that's how it is.
 
rudra said:
Kapil "paji" had more things missing from his game than just pace. Hence the average of
30
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Talk about average when abbas plays half of kapil. For a year many have averaged more than bradman.[/QUOTE]

Your original objection on Abbas was on his "Pace" as such Kapil was mentioned.To be the best fast bowler in the world, one doesn't need to be express fast, the sooner you can get this into ur head the better.
 
New Yorker said:
It's not a hypothetical. Abbas outperformed Anderson and Broad in England this past summer.
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Looks like some of my fellow indian fans are finding it hard to digest and trying their best to downplay Abbas's performance on these types of wickets. Mind you some of them are huge supporters of trundlers like Mohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. :inti
 
the_outsider said:
As long as Anderson is still playing and bowling like he is, at the moment he is the best in the world.

I know it sounds controversial to rate a bowler with 550+ wickets higher than a bowler with 50 odd wickets. But that's how it is.
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Than pray that he doesn't retire, or you will suffer from heart burn.

But then again, Abbas can have one poor game against someone and can be mocked on the basis of one game by our indian friends.
 
the_outsider said:
As long as Anderson is still playing and bowling like he is, at the moment he is the best in the world.

I know it sounds controversial to rate a bowler with 550+ wickets higher than a bowler with 50 odd wickets. But that's how it is.
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This Hype brigade on this Forum for Pakistani "phaast" bowlers is usual. This guy would perish like Aamirs, Hasan Alis and Shinwaris after sometime in near future and some new kid on the block would emerge as the All-time great with a limited-period validity. Let's see how long this "Current All-time great Trunder" will last.
 
it looks that our indian brothers are not bearing the fact but this guy named abbas is going to be on the top of the list very soon.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Looks like some of my fellow indian fans are finding it hard to digest and trying their best to downplay Abbas's performance on these types of wickets. Mind you some of them are huge supporters of trundlers like Mohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. :inti
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According to them staeyn is the best when fit.i will tell them Wasim Akram is the best when fit.lolz...Abbas may not be that great but his numbers are outstanding and better than any indian counterpart in last one year so better to digest.
 
Saw a comparison between Abbas and Asif for their firsr 10 tests. Abbas has even out-performed the genius, which is even more impressive since Asif did not bowl on these dead tracks of the UAE.
 
Its amazing how some indians in their blind hatred are saying that Abbas won't last longer and giving example of Hassan ali (who is still a very good limited over bowler).This is like writing Bumrah off by saying he would never last longer for india because in past india never had a successful genuine fast bowler.Dumb!
 
the_outsider said:
As long as Anderson is still playing and bowling like he is, at the moment he is the best in the world.

I know it sounds controversial to rate a bowler with 550+ wickets higher than a bowler with 50 odd wickets. But that's how it is.
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"By playing and bowling like he is," you cannot I take mean Anderson's Test tour at home this summer against Pakistan. In which Abbas bowled better than him. It's a bit like a sieve with amnesia, your notion of the moment. It only retains the memory of the distant past. What happens when the ICC rankings start disagreeing with you as well?
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Saw a comparison between Abbas and Asif for their firsr 10 tests. Abbas has even out-performed the genius, which is even more impressive since Asif did not bowl on these dead tracks of the UAE.
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You know who had even more wickets than Abbas after 10 tests? Shabbir Ahmed. You remember him?

Look, I'm not saying Abbas will not be able to continue this form or that he isn't good. If you're troubling Australian batsmen as a pacer then obviously you're an excellent fast bowler.

But better than Anderson? Really? 30% votes to Abbas and 6% to Anderson. This is why it becomes so hard to take anyone seriously here.
 
New Yorker said:
"By playing and bowling like he is," you cannot I take mean Anderson's Test tour at home this summer against Pakistan. In which Abbas bowled better than him. It's a bit like a sieve with amnesia, your notion of the moment. It only retains the memory of the distant past. What happens when the ICC rankings start disagreeing with you as well?
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You're talking about selective memory and then you yourself are picking out just 1 series of 2 test matches.

What can I say to you?

You think Abbas is better than Anderson. Tomorrow you will say Fakhar is a better test batsman than Smith. Clearly nothing else can be said to you at this point.
 
ali2220 said:
Talk about average when abbas plays half of kapil. For a year many have averaged more than bradman.
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Your original objection on Abbas was on his "Pace" as such Kapil was mentioned.To be the best fast bowler in the world, one doesn't need to be express fast, the sooner you can get this into ur head the better.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I said earlier but you guys have different yardsticks for Indian pacers.
 
the_outsider said:
You know who had even more wickets than Abbas after 10 tests? Shabbir Ahmed. You remember him?

Look, I'm not saying Abbas will not be able to continue this form or that he isn't good. If you're troubling Australian batsmen as a pacer then obviously you're an excellent fast bowler.

But better than Anderson? Really? 30% votes to Abbas and 6% to Anderson. This is why it becomes so hard to take anyone seriously here.
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And you know what happened to Shabbir? he was a chucker and got banned, what has a chucker to do with Abbas?
Steyn and other great are taking abbas seriously, ofcourse some will always downplay his achievement for obvious reasons.
 
rudra said:
Your original objection on Abbas was on his "Pace" as such Kapil was mentioned.To be the best fast bowler in the world, one doesn't need to be express fast, the sooner you can get this into ur head the better.
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Thats what I said earlier but you guys have different yardsticks for Indian pacers.[/QUOTE]

This thread is not about indian pacers.
 
Abidi110 said:
And you know what happened to Shabbir? he was a chucker and got banned, what has a chucker to do with Abbas?
Steyn and other great are taking abbas seriously, ofcourse some will always downplay his achievement for obvious reasons.
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I'm not downplaying his achievements at all. Abbas has been absolutely excellent. No doubt about it.

But better than Anderson? That's just LOL-worthy. Nothing else.
 
the_outsider said:
I'm not downplaying his achievements at all. Abbas has been absolutely excellent. No doubt about it.

But better than Anderson? That's just LOL-worthy. Nothing else.
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Its not lol worthy, the only thing that is LOl worthy are your dumb comments.You tried to bring in Aamer and Hassan ali (who is still a very good OD bowler) in it, then brought a shabbir in desperate attempt to suggest like this abbas might also falter.
Some people in their excitement might be labeling Abbas as the best currently, which is not the case currently but is likely to be in near future.There is a reason Steyn and all other are talking about him.
 
the_outsider said:
You know who had even more wickets than Abbas after 10 tests? Shabbir Ahmed. You remember him?

Look, I'm not saying Abbas will not be able to continue this form or that he isn't good. If you're troubling Australian batsmen as a pacer then obviously you're an excellent fast bowler.

But better than Anderson? Really? 30% votes to Abbas and 6% to Anderson. This is why it becomes so hard to take anyone seriously here.
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He is not better than Anderson, neither Rabada. Quite possibly the most impressive upcoming pacer though, which is why current and ex cricketers are getting excited.
 
Abidi110 said:
Its not lol worthy, the only thing that is LOl worthy are your dumb comments.You tried to bring in Aamer and Hassan ali (who is still a very good OD bowler) in it, then brought a shabbir in desperate attempt to suggest like this abbas might also falter.
Some people in their excitement might be labeling Abbas as the best currently, which is not the case currently but is likely to be in near future.There is a reason Steyn and all other are talking about him.
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I brought those examples to show how those bowlers also had brilliant starts to their career but how they found things tough later on when teams started analysing them and they had to deal with the burden of expectations.

I never said Abbas will also definitely go the same way. He might succeed. He might not. But whatever happens 2-3 years down the line, the fact that today on this thread Abbas has 32% votes and Anderson has 6% votes shows that people are not thinking with their brains. Forget Rabada, who already has 150+ wickets at an avg of 21. Forget all of that.

People think with 58 wickets Abbas is already better than Anderson - the highest wicket taker pacer in the world. The guy who just crossed McGrath. But no - Mohd Abbas is better.

If today people start saying on PP that Bumrah is better than Waqar, see the drama and uproar unfold.

But if Abbas is better than Anderson then - "it's only logical bro".

What absolute nonsense.
 
Usman Chadda said:
He is not better than Anderson, neither Rabada. Quite possibly the most impressive upcoming pacer though, which is why current and ex cricketers are getting excited.
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Yes. He definitely is one of the best upcoming test pacers, if not the best. No arguments there.

But look at the poll votes, man. What can I say...
 
Bumrah is not getting the credit he deserves. However ugly his action is as long as it is legal and fetching him wickets he is one among the top 5.
 
Votes means nothing, i have seen indian voting for their superstars with average stats as the greatest on indian website. Also, Aamer never had great stats in test (no point in talking about Aamer before his ban) while Hassan ali still have good stats. Burden of expectations had nothing to do with Aamer (who doesn't want to play tests himself) Asif,Shabbir etc. Burden of expectation was far greater on Kapil dev than will ever be on Abbas, yet Kapil delivered.If Abbas remains fit and doesn't become corrupt, he is on his way to be recognized as one of the greats of the game.
 
DRsohail said:
According to them staeyn is the best when fit.i will tell them Wasim Akram is the best when fit.lolz...Abbas may not be that great but his numbers are outstanding and better than any indian counterpart in last one year so better to digest.
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'Steyn is better when fit' is a pretty LOL Worthy comment by our local expert. I mean there is no weightage being given to the current form and performance of an upcoming bowler and putting an ATG bowler above him just because of his past performances.
 
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The thing about Abbas is that he is doing shockingly great in UAE, where even Asif failed.Having said that, i don't think he will never be as good as Asif was.
 
Currently means sample size on more than one year not 20 years or 10 years.
 
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DRsohail said:
Currently means sample size on more than one year not 20 years or 10 years.
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Are you truly saying that Abbas is a better bowler than Anderson?

Does he have the potential to be the world no.1? Yes

But is he? No

Why? Because Anderson has done for over 10 years and has done it in many countries and conditions. If Abbas can keep performing like this for 2-3 years in various countries and condition, then pf course he would become the best pacer. But calling him better then Rabada, Anderson, Steyn who have been doing it for years (even in Rabada's case its 3 years now) is illogical.

Comparing Rabada to Anderson makes some sense somewhat, because Rabada has been around for a while and has been tested in multiple countries and conditions. Let Abbas do that and then he will become the best in the world.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas is the form bowler in world cricket, and he's doing it with accuracy and precision. 80% of his deliveries today have been on a good length, 30% would have hit the stumps - and sent down at just 129kph. When you're that accurate, pace is almost irrelevant. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/5WuXnttqnK">pic.twitter.com/5WuXnttqnK</a></p>— The Cricket Prof. (@CricProf) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricProf/status/1053192398208188417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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DRsohail said:
Currently means sample size on more than one year not 20 years or 10 years.
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Where is this definition?

Even if we look at last 2 years, Anderson is the highest wicket taker among pacers. Bowling avg of 17.5 last year and 20.5 this year.
 
the_outsider said:
Where is this definition?

Even if we look at last 2 years, Anderson is the highest wicket taker among pacers. Bowling avg of 17.5 last year and 20.5 this year.
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ok its Anderson if it makes you feel better/,,change criteria for everthing,,,i think Bumrah is far better if we go series by series.
 
Sidilicious said:
Are you truly saying that Abbas is a better bowler than Anderson?

Does he have the potential to be the world no.1? Yes

But is he? No

Why? Because Anderson has done for over 10 years and has done it in many countries and conditions. If Abbas can keep performing like this for 2-3 years in various countries and condition, then pf course he would become the best pacer. But calling him better then Rabada, Anderson, Steyn who have been doing it for years (even in Rabada's case its 3 years now) is illogical.

Comparing Rabada to Anderson makes some sense somewhat, because Rabada has been around for a while and has been tested in multiple countries and conditions. Let Abbas do that and then he will become the best in the world.
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I have seen Abderson wit abbas in England and now i have seen Anderson in Uae and abbas as well so it is..if i have said abbas is better bowler than him then i am wrong but currently anderson is on decline while abbas is rising so definitely i will play abbas over anderson.thats it and he will be the pick of most captains i think but it does not mean that abbas is superior bowler,,,,but we are talking about the current form.Feel good now i reckon.
At this time land Anderson in to UAe and you will see ,even we have seen him for a couple of times,was impactless dear,
 
Tell domr indian posters to read the OP again.It is at the moment.And ask who will they play at current form in UAE,i hope most will get their answers.
 
DRsohail said:
ok its Anderson if it makes you feel better/,,change criteria for everthing,,,i think Bumrah is far better if we go series by series.
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Comparing Bumrah with Anderson as a test bowler is even more absurd than comparing Abbas with Anderson.

There is not a single bowler in the world right now who can be compared to Anderson. Not even Rabada.

560 wickets. 140+ test matches. It's not a matter of joke.
 
DRsohail said:
I have seen Abderson wit abbas in England and now i have seen Anderson in Uae and abbas as well so it is..if i have said abbas is better bowler than him then i am wrong but currently anderson is on decline while abbas is rising so definitely i will play abbas over anderson.thats it and he will be the pick of most captains i think but it does not mean that abbas is superior bowler,,,,but we are talking about the current form.Feel good now i reckon.
At this time land Anderson in to UAe and you will see ,even we have seen him for a couple of times,was impactless dear,
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On a decline? James Anderson averaged 17 last year with 11 tests, and 20 this year in 10 tests. He has taken nearly a 100 wickets in 2017 + 2018.


Abbas has taken 58 wickets @ 15 in the last 10 tests. Its not like Anderson in averaging in 30s or late 20s, and Abbas's average is much better. Its just marginally better.

But Abbas, does not have a proven track record before that. Anderson does.

Has Abbas done this over 2-3 years, then he would have been the no.1 bowler. But he has hardly done it for 1 year.

As things stand, if a world XI was to be setup with all active test players, James Anderson will be the first pacer in the XI.
 
Abbas looks like a promising medium pace prospect. Wouldn't term him a fast bowler. Anywhere I can watch his county stint?
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So what problem do you have if others think that Abbas is currently better than Anderson? :inti
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this is a forum, where one can post opinions, arguments and counter-argument.

If one has responded with a counter-argument that Abbas is not the best bowler, whats your problem?
 
the_outsider said:
As long as Anderson is still playing and bowling like he is, at the moment he is the best in the world.

I know it sounds controversial to rate a bowler with 550+ wickets higher than a bowler with 50 odd wickets. But that's how it is.
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Its not controversial at all, Anderson is definitely better than abbas at the moment. Abbas is too new to even be compared to likes of rabada let alone Anderson most I am willing to say about abbas is that he is in good bowling form right now. For him to be considered among the best he has to play at least another 10 test matches and perform.
 
DRsohail said:
Tell domr indian posters to read the OP again.It is at the moment.And ask who will they play at current form in UAE,i hope most will get their answers.
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How would you define At the Moment - Is it 1 test? Is it 1 series? Is it 1 year? Is it a couple of years? Is it 1 innings? Heck, if we go for such categorisation, a moment could refer to 1 over.

So, how often will your best bowler 'at the moment' change? What happens if Abbas doesnt have a great next series? He is not good anymore? He has lost his venom?

Of course not. Just as one does not become poor in a short span, one does not become the best in the world in a short span either. It requires sustained results.
 
Sidilicious said:
How would you define At the Moment - Is it 1 test? Is it 1 series? Is it 1 year? Is it a couple of years? Is it 1 innings? Heck, if we go for such categorisation, a moment could refer to 1 over.

So, how often will your best bowler 'at the moment' change? What happens if Abbas doesnt have a great next series? He is not good anymore? He has lost his venom?

Of course not. Just as one does not become poor in a short span, one does not become the best in the world in a short span either. It requires sustained results.
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Totally agree, Abbas must play another 10 test matches before we should begin to judge him. Right now maximum we can say is that he has got potential.
 
Anderson only improved during the late part of his career. Initially he was an extremely ordinary bowler with raw pace and not much skill.

Abbas at this point (after 10 tests) is better than any bowler in nearly a century. Those who don't admit his brilliance now will be forced to after the South Africa series.
 
when anderson takes 10 wickets in asia then come and talk.Dont talk in the past otherwise Imran khan is nymber one bowler if fit :shh
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Anderson only improved during the late part of his career. Initially he was an extremely ordinary bowler with raw pace and not much skill.

Abbas at this point (after 10 tests) is better than any bowler in nearly a century. Those who don't admit his brilliance now will be forced to after the South Africa series.
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He has proved it already.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Anderson only improved during the late part of his career. Initially he was an extremely ordinary bowler with raw pace and not much skill.

Abbas at this point (after 10 tests) is better than any bowler in nearly a century. Those who don't admit his brilliance now will be forced to after the South Africa series.
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Anderson was atleast 5 years younger (I think even more) than abbas when he first burst onto scene. Its very important to just not write here in excitement but do something thinking as well.
 
Pakhs said:
Anderson was atleast 5 years younger (I think even more) than abbas when he first burst onto scene. Its very important to just not write here in excitement but do something thinking as well.
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Who say Abbas can d whatt Anderson has done are delusional but if someone says he will pick anderson over abbas in current form i dont agree.
 
DRsohail said:
Hard times as abbas takes 10 wickets in test.And in UAE.
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He has proved that his got potential but to be among the best you have to do it day and day out for atleast 5 years. However I am just a bit worried that Rizwan was standing up to him so easily.
 
Abbas has 36 test wickets this year. The two bowlers ahead of him are Rabada and Anderson with 46 and 42 wickets respectively however they have also played 9 and 10 test matches whereas Abbas has played only 5
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Abbas has 36 test wickets this year. The two bowlers ahead of him are Rabada and Anderson with 46 and 42 wickets respectively however they have also played 9 and 10 test matches whereas Abbas has played only 5
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no no extend it to 20 tests to make some posters happy.
 
DRsohail said:
Hard times as abbas takes 10 wickets in test.And in UAE.
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Only in your mind is that the case. Even Umesh took a 10fer in his last test. On a SC pitch just like Abbas. If that is the criteria then Umesh>Abbas.

I have seen enough hype here on PP to not take things seriously.

I have seen dozens of posts of "Babar better than Kohli", "Yasir better than Warne", "Amir better than Wasim" and a plethora of other absurd notions to know that this place is the king of hyping Pak players.

And then when these same players don't perform, the same fans who hype them then go on to tear these players apart.

Both of those behaviours are just as ridiculous and should be avoided as much as possible. But then this place has its own rules.
 
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