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Who is the best fast-bowler in the Test format at the moment?

Who is the best fast-bowler in the Test format at the moment?

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the_outsider said:
Only in your mind is that the case. Even Umesh took a 10fer in his last test. On a SC pitch just like Abbas. If that is the criteria then Umesh>Abbas.

I have seen enough hype here on PP to not take things seriously.

I have seen dozens of posts of "Babar better than Kohli", "Yasir better than Warne", "Amir better than Wasim" and a plethora of other absurd notions to know that this place is the king of hyping Pak players.

And then when these same players don't perform, the same fans who hype them then go on to tear these players apart.

Both of those behaviours are just as ridiculous and should be avoided as much as possible. But then this place has its own rules.
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So True
 
the_outsider said:
Only in your mind is that the case. Even Umesh took a 10fer in his last test. On a SC pitch just like Abbas. If that is the criteria then Umesh>Abbas.

I have seen enough hype here on PP to not take things seriously.

I have seen dozens of posts of "Babar better than Kohli", "Yasir better than Warne", "Amir better than Wasim" and a plethora of other absurd notions to know that this place is the king of hyping Pak players.

And then when these same players don't perform, the same fans who hype them then go on to tear these players apart.

Both of those behaviours are just as ridiculous and should be avoided as much as possible. But then this place has its own rules.
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I am not the one who said it,better ask them and dhere digest one of fine performance from a rising super star in test cricket and take it easy.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Well done Abbas. What a find for Pakistan. I am sure their fans are not missing Mohammed Asif now. :inti
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Pakistani cricket on the decline and worst ever it looks st the moment and still produce quality performers in like him...i can only imagine the hard times that some fans would have been throgh if we were as good as their team is..all said is good for cricket but i dont know why people are getting jealous.
 
DRsohail said:
Who say Abbas can d whatt Anderson has done are delusional but if someone says he will pick anderson over abbas in current form i dont agree.
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Anderson just pretty much destroyed that famed Indian batting line up and Abbas was to some extent neutralist by England in that second test match when they started batting outside the crease. So we will have to wait and see.
 
the_outsider said:
Only in your mind is that the case. Even Umesh took a 10fer in his last test. On a SC pitch just like Abbas. If that is the criteria then Umesh>Abbas.

I have seen enough hype here on PP to not take things seriously.

I have seen dozens of posts of "Babar better than Kohli", "Yasir better than Warne", "Amir better than Wasim" and a plethora of other absurd notions to know that this place is the king of hyping Pak players.

And then when these same players don't perform, the same fans who hype them then go on to tear these players apart.

Both of those behaviours are just as ridiculous and should be avoided as much as possible. But then this place has its own rules.
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Let me use your logic here for a second. When an ex cricketer like Michael Vaughan has said that Abbas will get him out within 6 balls that means Abbas is a special bowler isn't it? :inti
 
DRsohail said:
Lolz he took mighty 22 wickets in 6 test matches when he was at his peak against the the pakistani batting line up sums up everything,better try next time and he averages 30 in asia.
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How about this Australian line up? Is it the best in the world? I think you are getting too excited.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Well done Abbas. What a find for Pakistan. I am sure their fans are not missing Mohammed Asif now. :inti
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Its a success in its own way thats a new bowler with 10 tests under his built is in competition with some of the greats in the game we currently have,thats it,,,,if Abbas is 3rdd on the list or even 10th as many indian posters say i will take him,And we are happy we at last one a series because of him and drew recently beacause of a thundler thats it.
 
Pakhs said:
How about this Australian line up? Is it the best in the world? I think you are getting too excited.
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I have never said that Abbas is going to be superior bowler to Anderson but i had to show him that his stats are not that great as people say,Anderson has been outstanding through out the years but his career lacks match winning performance in Asia as Steyn has done if i am not wrong.Currently Abbas is bowling better than what Anderson did last time in UAE.
 
If we go by current form and 2018 thus far then it has to be Abbas. 36 wickets in 5 matches is just special. Anderson and Rabada have more wickets but they're going at 4-5 wickets per game - mostly at home on seam/swing friendly wickets.
 
topspin said:
If we go by current form and 2018 thus far then it has to be Abbas. 36 wickets in 5 matches is just special. Anderson and Rabada have more wickets but they're going at 4-5 wickets per game - mostly at home on seam/swing friendly wickets.
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At last some neutral fan with harsh truth.
 
DRsohail said:
I have never said that Abbas is going to be superior bowler to Anderson but i had to show him that his stats are not that great as people say,Anderson has been outstanding through out the years but his career lacks match winning performance in Asia as Steyn has done if i am not wrong.Currently Abbas is bowling better than what Anderson did last time in UAE.
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Abbas has bowled well but he bowled against an Australian batting line up who has not won a test match in Asia for long time plus they were minus their best two players. Anderson bowled against Pakistan or other Asian batting line ups who are at their best in home conditions. We all know what happens to even the best Asian batting line ups against Anderson when they go to England.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Let me use your logic here for a second. When an ex cricketer like Michael Vaughan has said that Abbas will get him out within 6 balls that means Abbas is a special bowler isn't it? :inti
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Go back and read all my posts on this thread. I have said many times that Abbas is an excellent/exceptional bowler.

Now, if Vaughan has tweeted that Abbas is better than Anderson then please point me in that direction. :inti
 
Pakhs said:
Anderson was atleast 5 years younger (I think even more) than abbas when he first burst onto scene. Its very important to just not write here in excitement but do something thinking as well.
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I don't see how that's relevant to the comparison. Anderson was playing international cricket which means he was considered good enough on the county level to start playing test cricket.

Also, Anderson can only dream of taking a 10-fer in Asia (even now). He has just one 5 wicket haul in Asia.
 
Pakhs said:
He has proved that his got potential but to be among the best you have to do it day and day out for atleast 5 years. However I am just a bit worried that Rizwan was standing up to him so easily.
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As long as he gets wickets for the next few years i dont mind if Rizwan stans over the stumps or hundred meters away. this guy has changed my opinion about phast bowlers.He has issue like age ,fitness but at the end of the day wickets are important.
 
topspin said:
If we go by current form and 2018 thus far then it has to be Abbas. 36 wickets in 5 matches is just special. Anderson and Rabada have more wickets but they're going at 4-5 wickets per game - mostly at home on seam/swing friendly wickets.
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'Current form' is the keyword in this post. Hopefully people here can get it now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't see how that's relevant to the comparison. Anderson was playing international cricket which means he was considered good enough on the county level to start playing test cricket.

Also, Anderson can only dream of taking a 10-fer in Asia (even now). He has just one 5 wicket haul in Asia.
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thats what i was trying to say and due to that for me he should not be in the list of Greats i of the game as he has been poor in asia unlike others.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't see how that's relevant to the comparison. Anderson was playing international cricket which means he was considered good enough on the county level to start playing test cricket.

Also, Anderson can only dream of taking a 10-fer in Asia (even now). He has just one 5 wicket haul in Asia.
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Its very relevant because it means Abbas cant even dream of taking as many wicket as Anderson has done or even take as many fivers or 10fers over all as Anderson. I am not judging abbas right now he is too new we all know the more you play the harder it gets and he has yet to pass that test. I will maintain England batting neutralized him in that second test match by batting outside the crease and it didnt look very promising today that Rizwan was able to stand up to him so easily.
 
the_outsider said:
Go back and read all my posts on this thread. I have said many times that Abbas is an excellent/exceptional bowler.

Now, if Vaughan has tweeted that Abbas is better than Anderson then please point me in that direction. :inti
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So you are accepting now that Abbas is an exceptional bowler. So that means you shouldn't mind if others think that he is currently better than Anderson.

Steyn also rates him highly just like you do. Once again your opinions aligned with the ex cricketers. Congratulations. :inti
 
Pakhs said:
What wrong with Anderson current form? In Abbas case it can only be current form he has not played enough to be any longer than that.
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Nothing wrong with Anderson's current form. Its just a matter of personal preference. I would choose Abbas over Anderson at the moment. Your choice can be different.
 
DRsohail said:
As long as he gets wickets for the next few years i dont mind if Rizwan stans over the stumps or hundred meters away. this guy has changed my opinion about phast bowlers.He has issue like age ,fitness but at the end of the day wickets are important.
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I am yet to see a fast bowler in last 20 years who was good enough at a pace where keeper can stand up and take wickets regularly all over the world for atleast 5 years. Abbas would be the first one if that happens. Anyway your above statement contradicts your own statements that we have to see if he can take wickets for the next few years at the same rate.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So you are accepting now that Abbas is an exceptional bowler. So that means you shouldn't mind if others think that he is currently better than Anderson.

Steyn also rates him highly just like you do. Once again your opinions aligned with the ex cricketers. Congratulations. :inti
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Clean bowled.

Abbas would be mighty proud of how you set "Outsider" up.
 
Lol.Abbas has most of his wickets againist WI SL Ireland and now a Smith and Warner less Aussies.

Hyping him like he is the next Hadlee in seam bowling.
 
Pakhs said:
I am yet to see a fast bowler in last 20 years who was good enough at a pace where keeper can stand up and take wickets regularly all over the world for atleast 5 years. Abbas would be the first one if that happens. Anyway your above statement contradicts your own statements that we have to see if he can take wickets for the next few years at the same rate.
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Let see what he does aut atm he is doing great.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Lol.Abbas has most of his wickets againist WI SL Ireland and now a Smith and Warner less Aussies.

Hyping him like he is the next Hadlee in seam bowling.
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He can only gets wickets against teams and players he plays.Not his fault if PCB is not arranging enough matches with other teams.BTW he is not the next Imran and no one will say like this i am sure.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So you are accepting now that Abbas is an exceptional bowler. So that means you shouldn't mind if others think that he is currently better than Anderson.

Steyn also rates him highly just like you do. Once again your opinions aligned with the ex cricketers. Congratulations. :inti
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It's like you are intentionally being thick.

On what basis is being currently exceptional means better than Anderson.

If that is your logic then I'm sure you also think than Bumrah is a better bowler than Wasim. Thanks for the compliment.

And btw, I wasn't waiting for your arrival to say Abbas is excellent. I posted that long back. In the first page of this thread.
 
Pakhs said:
Its very relevant because it means Abbas cant even dream of taking as many wicket as Anderson has done or even take as many fivers or 10fers over all as Anderson. I am not judging abbas right now he is too new we all know the more you play the harder it gets and he has yet to pass that test. I will maintain England batting neutralized him in that second test match by batting outside the crease and it didnt look very promising today that Rizwan was able to stand up to him so easily.
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LOL if Abbas played even as many tests on seam-friendly conditions as Anderson did I'm pretty sure he would have gotten twice the number of wickets.

Anderson is not even close to being considered one of the greats of the game. His longevity and durability is impressive but he doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Akram, McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose, Waqar; players who could perform in all conditions. Only reason he is considered the best now is because there simply aren't many truly world-class fast-bowlers apart from Rabada and Philander and even at present Abbas looks set to overtake him.

Keeper standing up to the stumps has always made Abbas even more dangerous throughout the series. Something that was even more evident when the ball came back to demolish Tim Paine's stumps. Pace is irrelevant when you're bowling as well as Abbas is. de Kock stands up to Philander all the time, does that make him any less dangerous?
 
DRsohail said:
He can only gets wickets against teams and players he plays.Not his fault if PCB is not arranging enough matches with other teams.BTW he is not the next Imran and no one will say like this i am sure.
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Already he is being said to be the best in the world ahead of bowlers who have 400 plus 500 plus test wickets. Imran has far lesser test wickets.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
LOL if Abbas played even as many tests on seam-friendly conditions as Anderson did I'm pretty sure he would have gotten twice the number of wickets.

Anderson is not even close to being considered one of the greats of the game. His longevity and durability is impressive but he doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Akram, McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose, Waqar; players who could perform in all conditions. Only reason he is considered the best now is because there simply aren't many truly world-class fast-bowlers apart from Rabada and Philander and even at present Abbas looks set to overtake him.

Keeper standing up to the stumps has always made Abbas even more dangerous throughout the series. Something that was even more evident when the ball came back to demolish Tim Paine's stumps. Pace is irrelevant when you're bowling as well as Abbas is. de Kock stands up to Philander all the time, does that make him any less dangerous?
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He will not play as many test matches as Anderson, Philander is only good in SA and at his best in England. Keeper standing up mean Abbas has got limitations and there is a chance he will be exposed but lets see. there is a difference in 600 and 50 wickets but I am not going to teach you about cricket too late for you.
 
DRsohail said:
I ahve said it forget his wickets against all other teams.BTW we do not need your certificate as long as he does well for the team.
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I am not giving certificates either. The thread title is a question. I am answering that.
 
Pakhs said:
He will not play as many test matches as Anderson, Philander is only good in SA and at his best in England. Keeper standing up mean Abbas has got limitations and there is a chance he will be exposed but lets see. there is a difference in 600 and 50 wickets but I am not going to teach you about cricket too late for you.
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He will hardly play 40 or 50 test matches so comparison with anyone above 200 wickets is absurd.
 
DRsohail said:
He will hardly play 40 or 50 test matches so comparison with anyone above 200 wickets is absurd.
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He will be lucky to play even that many!! Looks like a slightly inferior version of Asif who was a truly special bowler so no insult there.
 
Pakhs said:
He will not play as many test matches as Anderson, Philander is only good in SA and at his best in England. Keeper standing up mean Abbas has got limitations and there is a chance he will be exposed but lets see. there is a difference in 600 and 50 wickets but I am not going to teach you about cricket too late for you.
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If you can't understand the difference between taking wickets in extremely helpful conditions and taking wickets on docile pitches then it truly is too late to explain cricket to you. No one is comparing Anderson's 143 tests to Abbas's 10. Just pointing out that Abbas has achieved things in 10 tests that Anderson couldn't achieve in 50 and 143 tests. Every bowler has limitations point is that whenever batsmen try to get out of the crease and play freely, the keeper comes up negating that freedom and the end result is still the same: pressure on the batsman. This is a limitation with an already identified solution.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If you can't understand the difference between taking wickets in extremely helpful conditions and taking wickets on docile pitches then it truly is too late to explain cricket to you. No one is comparing Anderson's 143 tests to Abbas's 10. Just pointing out that Abbas has achieved things in 10 tests that Anderson couldn't achieve in 50 and 143 tests. Every bowler has limitations point is that whenever batsmen try to get out of the crease and play freely, the keeper comes up negating that freedom and the end result is still the same: pressure on the batsman. This is a limitation with an already identified solution.
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You have to take wickets in all conditions, Which Anderson has done but Abbas has not? Now which bit you don't understand? what has Abbas achieved so far that Anderson has not? Anderson also took wickets that too of home batsmen in UAE. Keeper wont be able to stand up outside UAE (Low bounce conditions) as was evident in that second test match where he failed to perform.
 
Pakhs said:
You have to take wickets in all conditions, Which Anderson has done but Abbas has not? Now which bit you don't understand? what has Abbas achieved so far that Anderson has not? Anderson also took wickets that too of home batsmen in UAE. Keeper wont be able to stand up outside UAE (Low bounce conditions) as was evident in that second test match where he failed to perform.
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How about a 10-fer in Asia? something he can only dream of. His record in Asia is only helped by his performance in UAE where he still failed to pick a fifer or lead England to a win. Apart from that he has a downright ordinary record in Asia, unbecoming of a bowler of seemingly such class and caliber. Abbas also outperformed Anderson and Broad this time in England and even in that one bad innings at Leeds he picked up two wickets.

In conditions with more bounce there will likely be enough swing and seam movement for him to exploit, especially if you're talking about a place like New Zealand or South Africa. And even when there isn't swing and seam he will find a way to take wickets just by bowling that impeccable line and length which is better than most medium/fast-medium bowlers in the world.

No point of having this conversation now as you will continuously keep throwing the small sample size eventhough my argument is completely about current form. In a year though (maybe earlier) I'm sure the ICC Players Rankings will be enough for you to be proven wrong.
 
Some Indian posters having trouble believing how Pakistan has produced yet another world-class fast-bowler from out of nowhere.

But...but...we spent two years grooming Bumrah for test cricket
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
How about a 10-fer in Asia? something he can only dream of. His record in Asia is only helped by his performance in UAE where he still failed to pick a fifer or lead England to a win. Apart from that he has a downright ordinary record in Asia, unbecoming of a bowler of seemingly such class and caliber. Abbas also outperformed Anderson and Broad this time in England and even in that one bad innings at Leeds he picked up two wickets.

In conditions with more bounce there will likely be enough swing and seam movement for him to exploit, especially if you're talking about a place like New Zealand or South Africa. And even when there isn't swing and seam he will find a way to take wickets just by bowling that impeccable line and length which is better than most medium/fast-medium bowlers in the world.

No point of having this conversation now as you will continuously keep throwing the small sample size eventhough my argument is completely about current form. In a year though (maybe earlier) I'm sure the ICC Players Rankings will be enough for you to be proven wrong.
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Happy to be proven wrong in a year or two time. He has potential and hopefully he becomes the bowler you think he can be.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Some Indian posters having trouble believing how Pakistan has produced yet another world-class fast-bowler from out of nowhere.

But...but...we spent two years grooming Bumrah for test cricket
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Who was the last fast bowler from Pakistan to take 200 test wickets?

Any idea?

The word world class is very loosely used here.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Some Indian posters having trouble believing how Pakistan has produced yet another world-class fast-bowler from out of nowhere.

But...but...we spent two years grooming Bumrah for test cricket
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If you go see the thread about the current best batsman under 25, you will hardly see any mention of Shaw in them by Indian posters. Even though Shaw has arguably had an even more impressive start to his career than Abbas.

This is something I see severely lacking in Pak fans - patience.

Today you and your fellow citizens are already calling Abbas "world-class". Now that's not a term that is used lightly and is generally reserved for player with a long track-record of proven ability.

Tomorrow, if, by chance Abass goes the way of Amir, these same fans will abuse him left right and centre.

Abbas has so far shown great promise and in whatever opportunities he has been given he has been excellent. But hold your horses. Don't jump the gun. It's something that seems to be a perennial problem with Pak cricket.
 
the_outsider said:
If you go see the thread about the current best batsman under 25, you will hardly see any mention of Shaw in them by Indian posters. Even though Shaw has arguably had an even more impressive start to his career than Abbas.

This is something I see severely lacking in Pak fans - patience.

Today you and your fellow citizens are already calling Abbas "world-class". Now that's not a term that is used lightly and is generally reserved for player with a long track-record of proven ability.

Tomorrow, if, by chance Abass goes the way of Amir, these same fans will abuse him left right and centre.

Abbas has so far shown great promise and in whatever opportunities he has been given he has been excellent. But hold your horses. Don't jump the gun. It's something that seems to be a perennial problem with Pak cricket.
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Michael Vaughan and Dale Steyn has more credibility than a random arm chair expert like you. It will be better if you stay consistent with your views because you have always believed that whatever ex cricketers say is true and PP members have no credibility in front of them.

May be now you can see the side effect of following ex cricketer's opinions blindly? :inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
Who was the last fast bowler from Pakistan to take 200 test wickets?

Any idea?

The word world class is very loosely used here.
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If number of wickets was the only marker for success or being considered world-class then James Anderson will surely go down in history as the greatest fast-bowler of all-time
 
the_outsider said:
If you go see the thread about the current best batsman under 25, you will hardly see any mention of Shaw in them by Indian posters. Even though Shaw has arguably had an even more impressive start to his career than Abbas.

This is something I see severely lacking in Pak fans - patience.

Today you and your fellow citizens are already calling Abbas "world-class". Now that's not a term that is used lightly and is generally reserved for player with a long track-record of proven ability.

Tomorrow, if, by chance Abass goes the way of Amir, these same fans will abuse him left right and centre.

Abbas has so far shown great promise and in whatever opportunities he has been given he has been excellent. But hold your horses. Don't jump the gun. It's something that seems to be a perennial problem with Pak cricket.
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I don't know which Pakistani posters you are speaking about. I can only speak for myself. Those who make such reactionary and knee-jerk statements usually know very little about the game. I am excited about Abbas for a number of reasons: so far he has picked up wickets everywhere he has played, a number of which were highly unfavorable pitches for fast-bowlers. His line, length and control is truly remarkable and the last Pakistani bowler I saw who was as good in all three areas was Asif. It's also no small fact that he has the best bowling average in nearly a century and whenever he bowls he looks like picking up a wicket.

So no, I will not hold my horses and I will call him world-class because he has bowled well enough to earn that praise. I also prefer not to talk in 'what ifs' and focus on reality. And the reality is that this guy is going places in test cricket. Every career has its ebbs and flows and I'm not saying he won't have his but he still looks like a bowler who be be averaging under 25 at the end of the career.
 
I don't understand why fans already want to make him the best in the world. He is in a red hot form, i don't think anyone will deny his abilities but is it really necessary to start comparing him to players like Anderson and Steyn. Why must he is be the best in the world? Why should he be acknowledged as the best? Especially when he has only played 10 test matches. Why can't he continue to give great performances without being hyped as the next legend? It not only makes the fans look desperate, it puts unnecessary pressure on Abbas.

Abbas may very well be the best in the world at the moment, but why can't the fans be more patient? Why does he need to be recognized as the best?

If he continues to perform like this for consecutive years, he will automatically be acknowledged as the best in the world. There will be no need for arguments.
 
Darkrai said:
I don't understand why fans already want to make him the best in the world. He is in a red hot form, i don't think anyone will deny his abilities but is it really necessary to start comparing him to players like Anderson and Steyn. Why must he is be the best in the world? Why should he be acknowledged as the best? Especially when he has only played 10 test matches. Why can't he continue to give great performances without being hyped as the next legend? It not only makes the fans look desperate, it puts unnecessary pressure on Abbas.

Abbas may very well be the best in the world at the moment, but why can't the fans be more patient? Why does he need to be recognized as the best?

If he continues to perform like this for consecutive years, he will automatically be acknowledged as the best in the world. There will be no need for arguments.
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Bold part is so true. If you are the best, then you will get to rank one and occupy that for a long period.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If number of wickets was the only marker for success or being considered world-class then James Anderson will surely go down in history as the greatest fast-bowler of all-time
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Yes Anderson will be considered a ATG.

And number of wickets is the basic benchmark for greatness of a bowler.
 
Whenever 1 of our players has a good series we always need to call them the best in the world. Why can't you just let them play ? Hassan Ali was being called the best pacer in the world last year. Now know of you would call him that. It's not a dig at Hasan but it's just a example of our fan base always wanting to call someone the best in the world.

I am happy that Abbas has started well , but he has a lot to do to prove he's the best in the world. Performing in South Africa will help his cause.
 
Hasan123 said:
Whenever 1 of our players has a good series we always need to call them the best in the world. Why can't you just let them play ? Hassan Ali was being called the best pacer in the world last year. Now know of you would call him that. It's not a dig at Hasan but it's just a example of our fan base always wanting to call someone the best in the world.

I am happy that Abbas has started well , but he has a lot to do to prove he's the best in the world. Performing in South Africa will help his cause.
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Thank you!

This is what I have been trying to say. Abbas has been nothing short of exceptional so far. I have no doubt he is currently ahead of his contemporaries like Bumrah, Cummins, Ngidi, etc

But to start saying that he is better than Rabada and Anderson after 11 test matches?

Surely some sense has to prevail! Even in a place like PP...
 
the_outsider said:
Thank you!

This is what I have been trying to say. Abbas has been nothing short of exceptional so far. I have no doubt he is currently ahead of his contemporaries like Bumrah, Cummins, Ngidi, etc

But to start saying that he is better than Rabada and Anderson after 11 test matches?

Surely some sense has to prevail! Even in a place like PP...
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Who said he's better than Rabada?
 
Who voted for Amir lol.

According PP:

1) Abbas
2) Rabada
3) Hazlewood/Anderson
4) Hazlewood/Anderson
5) Starc

All are quality bowlers.
 
the_outsider said:
You're talking about selective memory and then you yourself are picking out just 1 series of 2 test matches.

What can I say to you?

You think Abbas is better than Anderson. Tomorrow you will say Fakhar is a better test batsman than Smith. Clearly nothing else can be said to you at this point.
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What recent Tests allowing us to compare the performance of Anderson and Abbas have I missed?
 
the_outsider said:
Comparing Bumrah with Anderson as a test bowler is even more absurd than comparing Abbas with Anderson.

There is not a single bowler in the world right now who can be compared to Anderson. Not even Rabada.

560 wickets. 140+ test matches. It's not a matter of joke.
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Indeed, posit Anderson just stopped taking wickets altogether for the next year. Even if Rabada took 10 fers for a year running, Anderson would still have to be considered the incomparably best. No comparison, Rabada not even worth shining Jimmy's shoes and what not. Because 560. It's like they say, form is temporary, class is permanent.
 
Now Abbas is a fast bowler? Barely touches 125-128 K and is a mockery of fast bowlers. He will be found out just like SL mystery spinners.
 
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