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Who is the best new ball bowler from Pakistan in each format currently?

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Who do you think is best new ball bowler for Pakistan in each format nowadays?
 
For me it is Mohammed Amir in each format and to some extent Sohail Khan in T20s.
 
Sohail Khan is the best new ball bowler in Pakistan irrespective of the format. He is the only who doesn't waste it and gets good shape. Everyone else is gun-barrel straight with the odd ball swinging without much control.
 
Mamoon said:
Sohail Khan is the best new ball bowler in Pakistan irrespective of the format. He is the only who doesn't waste it and gets good shape. Everyone else is gun-barrel straight with the odd ball swinging without much control.
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Sohail Khan too doesn't swing the ball consistently and is is very poor in tests with some odd balls swinging.
 
Amir & Sohail, if I consider Asif's International career is over.

Sohail is unfortunate that he wasn't picked 7/8 years back - Asif, Amir backed by Sohail would have been a top class attack in UK 2010. At least there is absolutely no reason not to pick him after August 2010.
 
Odi's and T20's def Sohail Khan. A lot of pp'ers will be tempted to say Amir, but he bowls way too much of a short length with the new ball.
 
Did you guys see how easy IT was for kamran to play Amir and how hard IT was for him to play Sohail.
 
Sohail get some shape on the ball but he doesn't swing it late often,it easier to play
 
Sohail khan's swing is like southee,it looks good but it not really difficult to play it(for any decent bat) because the shape/movment is obvious,it doesn't move late so unless there is lot of grass (which can deviate the trajectory ) it easy.
 
Sohail Khan easily

I sometimes wonder why our bowlers struggle to swing it with the new ball.

Heck it just swings itself. Ofcourse for a person like me getting the control is the hard part but these guys cant even make it move an inch in the third over
 
SK doesn't swing it late, and don't have the pace either.

Amir is comfortably the best new ball bowler, and has produced ball of the decades, moving it both ways.

Of course, if you have bias and dislike him, then you won't accept it.
 
Hawkeye said:
Amir is comfortably the best new ball bowler, and has produced ball of the decades, moving it both ways.

Of course, if you have bias and dislike him, then you won't accept it.
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Yes he has, but it is not 2010 anymore. He looks nothing special with the new ball these days and doesn't look threatening at all apart from a delivery here and there, which explains his struggles to take wickets.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes he has, but it is not 2010 anymore. He looks nothing special with the new ball these days and doesn't look threatening at all apart from a delivery here and there, which explains his struggles to take wickets.
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2010? He did that just recently. Watch his spell against Smith with the 2nd new ball. Forgetting what Test it was.

Or him in Asia Cup, or in BPL.

Cricketing skills and facts should be beyond ones' dislike and bias.

Sohail is a very good new ball bowler too, but not as good at producing those magic deliveries.
 
Hawkeye said:
2010? He did that just recently. Watch his spell against Smith with the 2nd new ball. Forgetting what Test it was.

Or him in Asia Cup, or in BPL.

Cricketing skills and facts should be beyond ones' dislike and bias.

Sohail is a very good new ball bowler too, but not as good at producing those magic deliveries.
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Yes he looks good on green tracks like the Asia Cup. Unfortunately, the curators cannot prepare such pitches for him all the time. I don't know if you watched Karachi's matches or not, but Sohail looked much better than him and no wonder he took a lot more wickets.

Bias works both ways. There is positive bias and negative bias - both orientations are equally wrong. Anyone who thinks Amir has been bowling excellently and has been better with the new ball than Sohail since his return clearly has positive bias for him.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes he looks good on green tracks like the Asia Cup. Unfortunately, the curators cannot prepare such pitches for him all the time. I don't know if you watched Karachi's matches or not, but Sohail looked much better than him and no wonder he took a lot more wickets.

Bias works both ways. There is positive bias and negative bias - both orientations are equally wrong. Anyone who thinks Amir has been bowling excellently and has been better with the new ball than Sohail since his return clearly has positive bias for him.
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It's not just Asia Cup. Or BPL. And btw if it had green pitches why others weren't swinging it or why not like him?

There's also Australia Tests. He produced one magical spell there. Not for very long though.

This PSL sk has outbowled him indeed. Doesn't mean he automatically becomes the better new ball bowler.

Amir needs more consistency and he'll get it.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's not just Asia Cup. Or BPL. And btw if it had green pitches why others weren't swinging it or why not like him?

There's also Australia Tests. He produced one magical spell there. Not for very long though.

This PSL sk has outbowled him indeed. Doesn't mean he automatically becomes the better new ball bowler.

Amir needs more consistency and he'll get it.
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Almost every pacer bowled really well in the Asia Cup. Even a couple of UAE seamers where moving the ball around on and Al-Amin bowled really well too. It was a nightmare for the batsmen, but only one batsmen stood out and absorbed everything that was thrown at him. The man who can't play swing and seam or even quality spin, and can only score runs on flat wickets. :127:

He was poor in Australia, only bowled half-decently in patches, and anyone who had no positive bias for him could predict that he will fail in Australia.
 
Amir, Amir and Irfan. In tests, ODIs and T20s, respectively. Junaid should be Amir's new ball partner in tests and ODIs while Amir himself should partner Irfan.
 
Considering how Sohail Khan doesn't even have the fitness to play test matches I don't know how PP experts are rating him as best new ball bowler across all formats.

Fun fact for all PP experts: Test matches consist of 2 innings each side.


Sher Khan has an average of greater than 100 in the second innings of tests.



Amir is easily the best overall new ball bowler that Pakistan possesses. SK might be good in T20s and ODIs to some extent, but he gets ripped apart often times too.
 
Amir is overrated, how is he the best new bowler? He can barely bowl half-decent spells these days. Sohail Khan is much better.
 
WC-Passion said:
Amir is overrated, how is he the best new bowler? He can barely bowl half-decent spells these days. Sohail Khan is much better.
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In spite of being extremely unfit and old, Sohail has outclassed Amir more often than not. When he played against SL in 2009, he looked very average, but he must have worked extremely hard to reach his current level. It is extremely unfortunate that he was never given an opportunity earlier, the improvement didn't happen overnight. Should have played around 100 ODIs and 50 Tests for Pakistan.
 
Looks like Junaid's match-losing efforts in the PSL with his dubious action wasn't enough for some people, who are still laboring under the delusion that he is a quality bowler. He is trash and not international material anymore.
 
WC-Passion said:
Amir is overrated, how is he the best new bowler? He can barely bowl half-decent spells these days. Sohail Khan is much better.
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He swings the ball more then Sohail Khan with much greater pace,so he is easily better then him but unfortunately luck is always not with him.
 
Mamoon said:
Looks like Junaid's match-losing efforts in the PSL with his dubious action wasn't enough for some people, who are still laboring under the delusion that he is a quality bowler. He is trash and not international material anymore.
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Junaid is not a T20 bowler for sure but he is a better bowler in ODIs and Tests.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Junaid is not a T20 bowler for sure but he is a better bowler in ODIs and Tests.
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He is not a bowler in the first place. Furthermore, regardless of what he is, he is not good enough for any format. Should not play for Pakistan again, but I expect Inzi The Revolutionary to stick with him.
 
Mamoon said:
In spite of being extremely unfit and old, Sohail has outclassed Amir more often than not. When he played against SL in 2009, he looked very average, but he must have worked extremely hard to reach his current level. It is extremely unfortunate that he was never given an opportunity earlier, the improvement didn't happen overnight. Should have played around 100 ODIs and 50 Tests for Pakistan.
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Yeah, he showed how good he actually is at the 2015 WC and after that IIRC he got injured, which was really unfortunate. Agree with you on that it would have been much better if he was given a chance at the international level earlier.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He swings the ball more then Sohail Khan with much greater pace,so he is easily better then him but unfortunately luck is always not with him.
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Really? Most of the time I feel like he doesn't use the new ball to it's full potential and just bowls it gun barrel straight at the middle stump. He can swing the ball but he's very inconsistent when it comes to bowling spells where he looks dangerous.
 
Mohammad Amir and Sohail Khan (1st spell only).

It's sad because Amir isn't as good as he used to be but still maintains his spot as PAK's best new ball bowler.

Sohail Khan is utterly disappointing because of his fitness levels. However, you have to give him credit for his 1st spell efforts in all matches. He does get a lot out of the ball.
 
kingusama92 said:
Mohammad Amir and Sohail Khan (1st spell only).

It's sad because Amir isn't as good as he used to be but still maintains his spot as PAK's best new ball bowler.

Sohail Khan is utterly disappointing because of his fitness levels. However, you have to give him credit for his 1st spell efforts in all matches. He does get a lot out of the ball.
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tyats y sohail amir and hasan should be our 3 quicks for the CT
 
Do you think Sohail's poor fitness is due to his weight or his age? He seems to be a hard working guy as you mentioned. Also, it is quite concerning that despite being very unfit, Sohail has managed to bowl much better than Amir since his comeback.
 
Hassan Ali getting wickets while Amir have to pray for that. Suhail Khan is the best bowler of the PSL.
 
Syed1 said:
s. SK might be good in T20s and ODIs to some extent, but he gets ripped apart often times too.
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I think a lot of that is because he bowled at the death before, which he is too slow to do plus he tires by that stage.

I think the benfit now is that Amir/Hasan are a fairly death bowling pair. Junaid is also very good at the death despite what happened at PSL


this allows Amir and Sohail to open to bowling.
 
Faran96 said:
Do you think Sohail's poor fitness is due to his weight or his age? He seems to be a hard working guy as you mentioned. Also, it is quite concerning that despite being very unfit, Sohail has managed to bowl much better than Amir since his comeback.
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A strong combination of both.

He's on the wrong side of 30 and has no stamina. When you're younger it's okay to whiz through multiple spells without getting winded even if you're avoiding cardio like the plague.

It's much harder at his age and it shows. The lactic acid settles in and your body aches in that 2nd spell. Worst case scenario you get injured and that has happened to him as well.

The only benefit of his age is that he's wise and knows how to bowl. Sadly his body isn't able to keep up.
 
Amir, Sohail and Hassan.. although I rate Sohail higher. Amir only bowls some good and threatening balls that beat the bat sometimes, otherwise he is not consistent enough hence he does not get many wickets. On the other hand Sohail tries hard and creates good balls on a consistent basis. Hassan Ali is improving MashaAllah!

At least the days are gone when Anwar Ali, Sami, Gul, Bhatti etc would open the bowling!!
 
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