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Who is the greatest cricketer to never win an ICC trophy?

The whole South African team starting from 2000s. The kind of talent they had and players they produced, they could have won atleast 2-3 trophies. At one instant under Graeme smith captaincy they had one of the best pack 11 in their ODI and test teams and remained unbeaten in tests for a long time but could not managed to win any single ICC unit. Pity
 
Ultimately it's a team sports. It's very hard to change the outcome of knockouts all by yourself. Bumrah also needed Pandya and Arshdeep to bowl well.
 
Did Andrew Flintoff won anything?? Guess no , other than couple of lame Natwest Series
 
ABD is surely the greatest player not to win a ICC trophy.

Another one is Andy Flower

stats wise I would add shakib who have not won a trophy not even asia cup forget about ICC trophies
 
sweep_shot said:
Graeme Smith.
AB De Villiers.
Hashim Amla.
Dale Steyn.
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But they did win the test mace 3 or 4 times over a 10 year period.

Back then there was no concept of this rubbish wtc final anyway. So test world number 1 ranking matters more. It still should matter more than this silly wtc final concept.
What's the point of finishing first to play in England? Finishing first should give you an advantage. They should be played in a 2 test format in the country of the team that finished first on the ladder.
 
adi_62941 said:
The whole South African team starting from 2000s. The kind of talent they had and players they produced, they could have won atleast 2-3 trophies. At one instant under Graeme smith captaincy they had one of the best pack 11 in their ODI and test teams and remained unbeaten in tests for a long time but could not managed to win any single ICC unit. Pity
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They were test world number 1 for around 4 out of 10 years at their peak post 2006.
So that does count as a title tbh.

Equivalent to winning wtc final

It's in LOi yes they failed.
 
TabishNator said:
Nah that's wild. AB only an IPL bully?

Come on bro.
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His legacy is heavily inflated by Franchise cricket.

Be honest - apart from bashing Holder how many of his innings spring to mine when you think of the great cricket knocks across formats?
 
kron said:
They were test world number 1 for around 4 out of 10 years at their peak post 2006.
So that does count as a title tbh.

Equivalent to winning wtc final

It's in LOi yes they failed.
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No, you cannot count that as an alternative to an ICC event. ICC event matches have separate pressure and importance. No bilateral match or series can be compared to ICC event matches. Yes, South Africans were equally great team from 2006-2013 as the great Australian team in Tests and ODIs from 2000-2008.

For me, as I watched them, they came very close to winning the 2007 ODI World Cup, losing to the great Australian team in the semifinals. They should and could have won, as they were in great form. In the 2009 T20 World Cup, it was a heartbreaking loss against Pakistan in the semifinals. Despite having a great team, they lost to an amateur team like Pakistan in the semifinals.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
His legacy is heavily inflated by Franchise cricket.

Be honest - apart from bashing Holder how many of his innings spring to mine when you think of the great cricket knocks across formats?
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And averages more than 50 in both formats and has an incredible record in WCS.

In Odis, I can think of his 30 ball 100, 65 in wc sf, century in Mumbai against when the entire crowd rose to it's feet to applaud him

In tests, his brilliant match winning tons in Perth and blockathon in Adelaide and Delhi to save the match
 
Major said:
Not really a great, but shoaib akhtar.

For all the talk this guy has done, he never won an icc trophy
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Shoaib akhtar is definitely a great with his stats didnt really play that many ICC tournaments to begin with.
 
Pakhs said:
Shoaib akhtar is definitely a great with his stats didnt really play that many ICC tournaments to begin with.
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na he isnt a great.

He played very less games and hence took less wickets. His stats are equivalent to Umar Gul (baring the bowling avg).

While Gul player for Pakistan with respect, AKhtar found himself involved in every kind of controversy and couldnt care less about Pakistan. Guy caught warts for gods sake
 
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Botham Hadlee Crowe Malcom marshall Ambrose they would had maybe won one had there been WTC.
 
There were not many ICC tournaments in those era. Just world cup every 4 years. Teams do go through transition. So i won't consider that. Now we have CT, World cup, World T20. 3 options. Not winning any one of them is even more painful.
 
There are so many varieties of ICC trophies now - that if you play long enough - you should ideally bag one - if not more.
 
Major said:
na he isnt a great.

He played very less games and hence took less wickets. His stats are equivalent to Umar Gul (baring the bowling avg).

While Gul player for Pakistan with respect, AKhtar found himself involved in every kind of controversy and couldnt care less about Pakistan. Guy caught warts for gods sake
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Warts will not stop you from playing...
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
There were not many ICC tournaments in those era. Just world cup every 4 years. Teams do go through transition. So i won't consider that. Now we have CT, World cup, World T20. 3 options. Not winning any one of them is even more painful.
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If you are from the BIG 3 and play for a period of time and dont complete the set you can class yourself very unlucky. Only one that is maybe difficult to win is 50 over WC which comes every 4 years so you may only have 4/5 attempts rest every two years.
 
For me it was Waqar Younus.. He was gun ODI player.. even more dangerous than Wasim at his peak. A true stump rattler.
 
leonidas_alexandar said:
There are so many varieties of ICC trophies now - that if you play long enough - you should ideally bag one - if not more.
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well the Bangladesh players have been playing long enough but they don't even have an Asia Cup trophy to show for it.
Not even a Tri-Nation trophy in fact.
 
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Some South African greats come to mind especially Styne and Devilleirs. I would also include Shakib seeing he is about to finish his career.
 
Pakhs said:
Warts will not stop you from playing...
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well the reasons why he was kicked out from the 2009 world cup team is because he told team management he had warts.
 
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hoshiarpurexpress said:
For me it was Waqar Younus.. He was gun ODI player.. even more dangerous than Wasim at his peak. A true stump rattler.
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If I am not wrong, he was selected for 1992 world cup but got injured before the event started and ruled out otherwise hw would have won 1.

The other name I would like to take is Shoaib Akhtar. He should have won 1.

Ab devilliers is also another guy who deserved 1 trophy.
 
Pakhs said:
If you are from the BIG 3 and play for a period of time and dont complete the set you can class yourself very unlucky. Only one that is maybe difficult to win is 50 over WC which comes every 4 years so you may only have 4/5 attempts rest every two years.
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why BIG 3. They are only financially good. Srilanka with bankrupt board reached almost every single Asia cup final. Won world cup in 1996. Reached two other world cup finals. Won world T20. Reached final twice. Won CT alongwith India. South Africa cricket board is not as poor as Srilanka. Yet they have no trophies.
 
Pakhs said:
If you are from the BIG 3 and play for a period of time and dont complete the set you can class yourself very unlucky. Only one that is maybe difficult to win is 50 over WC which comes every 4 years so you may only have 4/5 attempts rest every two years.
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Not really, England have never won a ct till now. Before 2019, they only had 1 icc trophy. They are big 3 only in terms of finances
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Not really, England have never won a ct till now. Before 2019, they only had 1 icc trophy. They are big 3 only in terms of finances
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Money matters in almost everything in the world and cricket is no exception. The gap is widening since cricket as a game has become increasingly commercialized. The reason why Australia wins as much as they do is because of their resources despite having small population and cricket being only one of the sports that's played in the country, same goes to England.

The BIG 3 are not the only ones to blame for making cricket commercialized, when the T20 came along all the smaller / lesser resourced cricket boards jumped at it to make whatever money they could. Most boards apart from big 3 has given up on test cricket and hardly play a few games a year since the advent of T20 cricket which is reducing the quality of players produced etc as compared to big 3.
 
I still remeber sachin was called GOAT batsman without worldcup trophy. It will be sad if he retired without trophy. But finally India manages to win 2011 worldcup and Sachin cherish with that
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Mahmudullah
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You must be joking. No one from BD is great enough to win a world cup. Shakib stats wise is will make this list in a sense that he has not won anything, not even Asia cup. With the performance he gave in 2019 world cup he deserved a world cup. Yuveaj singh won 2011 world cup with performance like shakib of 2019 world cup
 
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