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Who should be blamed for Umar Akmal's poor score?

lol@ rotating the strike? He was 23 off 40 deliveries when pakistan was in good position and could have played a lot freely. That was poor batting , its either brainless slogging or reasonless blocking. He cost pakistan at least 30 runs in the end. He is not a batsman , he does not know how to play bowling on merit.

And Babar was 42 from 62 deliveries. Stop being over critical, it's not T20. Australia innings also shows that it has not been that easy against good seam bowling and they are playing on home turf. If Pakistan had one more pacer things could have been a lot better.
 
And Babar was 42 from 62 deliveries. Stop being over critical, it's not T20. Australia innings also shows that it has not been that easy against good seam bowling and they are playing on home turf. If Pakistan had one more pacer things could have been a lot better.

Yah with the match entering the 41st over , 23 off 40 was acceptable. Maybe in 1985 , not today sir.
 
No he wouldn't. This would be a pretty good innings for him. Now we're watching Australia bat slowly too, and as I said earlier in the thread, you have to watch the entire game to judge an innings.

you seriously don't see the difference between playing slowly when chasing a low score and in the 40th over while setting a target?

And are you try to suggest he was careful because of the pitch? He tried to throw his wicket away multiple times and got lucky
 
Afridi should be blamed, this culture was brought to us by Shahid Afridi, he's probably the only one responsible from converting Akmal from a promising batsman, into a slogger
 
And Babar was 42 from 62 deliveries. Stop being over critical, it's not T20. Australia innings also shows that it has not been that easy against good seam bowling and they are playing on home turf. If Pakistan had one more pacer things could have been a lot better.

From the start Umar got, he should've stayed to the end..

Umar himself has a short attention span he can't last for more than 8 overs.. so when he has to accelerate after getting a start, he can't change gears..

Its either attack from the first ball or get out at the wrong time.. which has been the feature of his batting all his career
 
After his early brain freeze he tried to play sensibly but got out at the wrong time even though he should had rotate the strike more with babar .
 
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According to some posters it was a poor wicket to bat on. Didn't see Australia struggle. Need kick akmal and shafiq out, and never let back in again
 
When was the last time Umar Akmal did anything of significance. Even the missed stumping didn't help him to gain some confidence
 
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After his early brain freeze he tried to play sensibly but got out at the wrong time even though he should had rotate the strike more with babar .

story of his career
 
He has learned nothing. Not a fan of his at all.
 
According to some posters it was a poor wicket to bat on. Didn't see Australia struggle. Need kick akmal and shafiq out, and never let back in again

Both Smith and Hafeez said its was a 300+ wicket
 
woah... i didnt even know that... still he made 39(51)

which is a decent innings considering that he is making a comeback and his career was on the line.

It was a very unlike Umar Akmal knock but this is how he should play I personally think. Get your eyes in, rotate the strike and then play your shots when set or get ready to be termed as a slogger. Umar should realize only way he can be in the team is first making sure he scores 30 runs for himself..which example has been set in the last 5 years everyone knows. Once he gets his 30 odd runs he can unleash his attack. If I was UA I would have done that especially after getting the treatment for playing according to the team's requirements by getting dropped again and again.
 
Both Smith and Hafeez said its was a 300+ wicket

did you watch Umar Akmal's replacement Rizwan (when Sarfraz will be back) batting in the last 5 overs? It didn't look like it was 250+ wicket when Rizwan was batting..

I know UA is partly to blame for slow innings but the finish Imad and Rizwan gave was awful. Undone all the hardwork by the previous batsmen.
 
Both Smith and Hafeez said its was a 300+ wicket

Too bad Hafeez didn't know that while he was playing and had an innings s/r of 30. Meanwhile, Shafiq struck at 50, Rizwan at 73 and Imad at 69. Malik struck at 95 but only after getting 4 overthrows and some misfields. Babar faced 100 balls but only struck at 84, compared to say Handscomb or Smith who faced around the same number. But let's just blame it on Akmal.
 
Too bad Hafeez didn't know that while he was playing and had an innings s/r of 30. Meanwhile, Shafiq struck at 50, Rizwan at 73 and Imad at 69. Malik struck at 95 but only after getting 4 overthrows and some misfields. Babar faced 100 balls but only struck at 84, compared to say Handscomb or Smith who faced around the same number. But let's just blame it on Akmal.

well someone has to be a sacrificial lamb isn't?
 
did you watch Umar Akmal's replacement Rizwan (when Sarfraz will be back) batting in the last 5 overs? It didn't look like it was 250+ wicket when Rizwan was batting..

I know UA is partly to blame for slow innings but the finish Imad and Rizwan gave was awful. Undone all the hardwork by the previous batsmen.

Umar didn't really play himself in, he went for hit shots and didn't come off. He doesn't look altogether in form and he doesn't really seem to be playing anything on merit. He doesn't look in great form really.

However yeah he did play better than everyone else in the lower order apart from Malik. So unfair to single him out, I don't think he cost us the game.

What seemed to be clear that on this pitch as even Smith said, once you get yourself in scoring is easy. The australian batsmen didn't slog from ball one, they worked themselves in at slow SRs. Then once they did that, scoring at high strike rates was easy.

Wasn't that the score was undefendable, it just it relied on us getting wickets early, and not letting batsmen get settled. Once Australia got a decent partnership going, it was over.

If anything shouldn't be so hard on ourselves for this loss. 260 while not great, wasn't terrible, we've done much worse. Secondly if especially Junaid and Amir had a bit more luck we could have got Handscomb out definitely and it could have been a different game. Even Smith wasn't he out if he reviewed it early? And our spinners had a bad day, pitch wasn't too supportive for spinners. There wasn't much we could do honestly.
 
Too bad Hafeez didn't know that while he was playing and had an innings s/r of 30. Meanwhile, Shafiq struck at 50, Rizwan at 73 and Imad at 69. Malik struck at 95 but only after getting 4 overthrows and some misfields. Babar faced 100 balls but only struck at 84, compared to say Handscomb or Smith who faced around the same number. But let's just blame it on Akmal.

Thought Hafeez was more culpable too. It was a really poor batting performance by him. And the pacers should have got the first chance to get the batsmen out in the first few overs instead of bowling himself. We needed quick wickets upfront. Collectively we just weren't good enough today though. Hafeez can't open for us I don't think now. He's struggling out there clearly with the pace and is out of form. He only scored last ODIs as he was a bit lucky to get chances to play himself in. Switch umar and Hafeez's position (as umar is struggling down the order and might benefit from the powerplay fields opening). Or kick Hafeez out of the team.
 
For starters Misbah is way fitter than umar depite being a lot older. How did he get so fat?!
 
Akmal is an issue and should be dealt with but we have other issues as well which will halt our progress in ODIs.

Mohammad Hafeez in the top order.
Asad and Azhar in ODIs.

In todays ODI cricket , 300 has become a par score. Azhar and hafeez never start well , they consume a lot of deliveries without scoring much in the first 15 overs and that is so early 1990s. In todays cricket we need openers who can score quick in the first 10 and azhar and hafeez do not conform to this requirement. Our number 3 , 4 , 5 and 6 should be babar , haris (once he gets fit) , malik and sarfraz. Pakistan need to keep an eye on saud shakeel as well , he is not getting much opportunity and isnt scoring well but the guy has the capability to become a good ODI player. Mohammad Hafeez and Imad waseem must fight for number 7 spot , there is no other way around it. For now , sarfrazs backup should be kamran akmal.
 
which is a decent innings considering that he is making a comeback and his career was on the line.

It was a very unlike Umar Akmal knock but this is how he should play I personally think. Get your eyes in, rotate the strike and then play your shots when set or get ready to be termed as a slogger. Umar should realize only way he can be in the team is first making sure he scores 30 runs for himself..which example has been set in the last 5 years everyone knows. Once he gets his 30 odd runs he can unleash his attack. If I was UA I would have done that especially after getting the treatment for playing according to the team's requirements by getting dropped again and again.

Yes good score for a no.4 or even no.5 but not for no.6 and at the time and the team position set up for a 300+ score.. i watched the match after they score 194/4... pak reached 200/4 in 38 overs and until Babar got out he didnt hit a boundary was still sucking dot balls which pressured Babar to go big and he got out otherwise he would have gone to make a ton..Pak were 200 in 38 overs and he eventually hit a six before he got out... he hit only 1X4 and 1x6 in his 39.. which is 29 of (48) when he came in it was not 60/4 or 100/5... he came in at a very good position 162/4 in 30 overs.. looking at this if we trust and send him one position up at 5 or even 4 he fails like the usual stuff as ASAD did today will score the same runs , could be 5(8)...
 
I hope Akmal is playing his last series. Pathetic fitness and garbage performance. A complete TTF if there ever was one.
 
Thought Hafeez was more culpable too. It was a really poor batting performance by him. And the pacers should have got the first chance to get the batsmen out in the first few overs instead of bowling himself. We needed quick wickets upfront. Collectively we just weren't good enough today though. Hafeez can't open for us I don't think now. He's struggling out there clearly with the pace and is out of form. He only scored last ODIs as he was a bit lucky to get chances to play himself in. Switch umar and Hafeez's position (as umar is struggling down the order and might benefit from the powerplay fields opening). Or kick Hafeez out of the team.

Hafeez should be kicked out he's a selfish player using this series to showcase his toothless bowling to selectors rather than playing as per the situation of the match. He even took a review on his bowling which was wasted. The burden he puts on the batting line up being a walking wicket has cost us dearly over the yeard. He has no place in this team.
 
story of his career

No generally he is playing fluently but he throws his wicket away,today (and in the whole serie so far) he was struggling a lot and wasn't timing the ball well but after his early brain fade he plays sensibly,should have gone with his shot instead of blocking but he was in two mind.
 
Very disappointing innings from him. He is not just loosing his head, but belly and everything else as well... He is looking more mentally unstable, whatever technique he had is also going by every match...He cannot even hit Faukner, only way he can hit is blind (Jacket Bhar) slogs, I don't see any positive vibes from him, a man who completely lost it :facepalm:
 
From the start Umar got, he should've stayed to the end..

Umar himself has a short attention span he can't last for more than 8 overs.. so when he has to accelerate after getting a start, he can't change gears..

Its either attack from the first ball or get out at the wrong time.. which has been the feature of his batting all his career

Right. It is not that he deliberately plays against the match situation or does not give his best. His weak temperament makes him look stupid every now and then. I don't think he can stick to any plan. It just happens with him.
He can accelerate but only against weak attacks. Anyways, i don't remember any Pakistan batsman in the recent past or in the current side who has played quality knocks against top sides on their home soil. We have always been bailed out by a Razzaq or sometimes Afridi special. Even the kind of innings that Babar played today have been very few.
 
Just not good enough, still deserves a place on the team. Do not expect him to bat like world class batsmen from other team.
 
Right. It is not that he deliberately plays against the match situation or does not give his best. His weak temperament makes him look stupid every now and then. I don't think he can stick to any plan. It just happens with him.
He can accelerate but only against weak attacks. Anyways, i don't remember any Pakistan batsman in the recent past or in the current side who has played quality knocks against top sides on their home soil. We have always been bailed out by a Razzaq or sometimes Afridi special. Even the kind of innings that Babar played today have been very few.

Umar just isn't very fluent when he builds an innings. Slogs at first, keeps slogging, gets out. Doesn't really build an innings, once he gets himself in, batsmen tend to be able to play better and distinguish better on merit.

Only player who is capable of playing a fluent long innings in recent times ironically has been Hafeez. Actually looks good when he's set. Perhaps our most fluent batsman when set. Problem is such a shaky starter, even worse the fact he's as an opener. And he's not great in tricky conditions like SA. Once he's in, has an ability to accelerate. Problem gets out far too early most of the time. Though atm, Hafeez's form looks terrible even with the 70 odd game before, he might be past it or needs to be moved down the order.
 
Give him a diet and exercise plan. Then tell him to bring his fat percentage to 15%. Let's see if he takes up the challenge.

If Umar has the drive and really values his place in the side he will do it. Let's see how 'hungry' he is....pun not intended!
 
Umar's today knock was useful considering the situation and pak lower order ordeal. Barring one ugly hoick against spinner he was good. He played risk free inings until he got a very good ball from hazle. He departed when pak was still in a reasonable position. He is slowing getting into his form. Wait for some games his best is yet to come
 
Umar's today knock was useful considering the situation and pak lower order ordeal. Barring one ugly hoick against spinner he was good. He played risk free inings until he got a very good ball from hazle. He departed when pak was still in a reasonable position. He is slowing getting into his form. Wait for some games his best is yet to come

yeah he his knock was very good because people almost forgot that he is a proper batsman and not a slogger. I'm sure he did realized his stupid shot early on and batted with more responsibility which is what he should do. The more Umar plays like this the better chance of Pakistan becoming a better ODI team. We really need a dynamic batsman like him who can play with some responsibility.
 
yeah he his knock was very good because people almost forgot that he is a proper batsman and not a slogger. I'm sure he did realized his stupid shot early on and batted with more responsibility which is what he should do. The more Umar plays like this the better chance of Pakistan becoming a better ODI team. We really need a dynamic batsman like him who can play with some responsibility.

He also survived a stumping...so that means on average he gets out once every 20 runs.. which has been the case for him for a while now
 
ANYONE but Umar Akmal himself

that poor guy has the world against him, everyone else should accountability for his actions
 
Umar must bat at 4 in the next game.. Just drop Shafiq and play a bowler. Wahab is a better ODI batsman than Shafiq anyway
 
He made 39, but this thread implies he made 5 or something.

Very misleading and poor thread.
 
Umar must bat at 4 in the next game.. Just drop Shafiq and play a bowler. Wahab is a better ODI batsman than Shafiq anyway

Umar may as well open but thankfully we have a superb opener instead who gets us off to fast starts and shows excellent technique to not gift the opposition early wickets. :hafeez
 
Let's Face it.

Umar Akmal should have been out for 3 Stumped off Head, if he had been - oh how these comments above would be different.

Umar Akmal is to blame for being Umar Akmal - he has the world at his feet and boundless potential, he needs to stop focusing on hitting the ball out of the ground and focus on rotating strike, running hard and picking off quick singles - this will not happen till his fitness comes good.
 
.. pak reached 200/4 in 38 overs and until Babar got out he didnt hit a boundary was still sucking dot balls which pressured Babar to go big and he got out otherwise he would have gone to make a ton...

The goal is to win the match, not for Babar to get a ton.

Babar had been there for 100 balls by the time he got out. He had actually played quite a slow innings himself for a lot of his innings and as the established batsman he did need to up the run rate himself anyway.

If he hadn't gone for some shots towards the end of his innings he would have been striking in low 70s or so. Lately Babar seems to be starting very slowly as well.

Apart from Sharjeel, none of the batsmen got on top of the bowlers.
 
Can we just give Umar Akmal this series to prove himself? He is not a robot! You dont drop a player into a series and clap your hands and expect him to start hitting 100 in every match. He needs to get back into the feel of international cricket and the tour of Australia isnt exactly the best place for that.
 
Can we just give Umar Akmal this series to prove himself? He is not a robot! You dont drop a player into a series and clap your hands and expect him to start hitting 100 in every match. He needs to get back into the feel of international cricket and the tour of Australia isnt exactly the best place for that.

But unfortunately we use this same excuse every tour, whether it is Umar or Shehzad or Rahat or Sohail.

What is the point of performing at home, when nobody wants to tour us - most of our future series will be away.

We need people to stand up, Umar has played in Australia before - and Babar outshined him a player whom hadn't seen let alone played in Australia prior to this tour.
 
But unfortunately we use this same excuse every tour, whether it is Umar or Shehzad or Rahat or Sohail.

What is the point of performing at home, when nobody wants to tour us - most of our future series will be away.

We need people to stand up, Umar has played in Australia before - and Babar outshined him a player whom hadn't seen let alone played in Australia prior to this tour.

Bro we dont visit Australia every year! Umar doesnt play Shield cricket etc.

For all practical purposes, all our cricketers are new to Australia.
 
Umar Akmal is finished as a batsman!

It seems as if he's totally forgotten how to bat. It's so unfortunate for Pakistani fans that such a promising and so called talented batsmen has gone down this way. It's something similar to what happened with Nasir Jamshed. Really painful to see him bat nowadays. We need to look beyond Umar Akmal.
 
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Umar Akmal is failure personified.

He's done as a batsman, Well that happened sometime ago.

Doesn't have the education, self accumulated knowledge or maturity to understand. comprehend and take correct action as needed by a batsman. To fat and unfit as a fielder. Too dumb to be useful in any other sporting or social facet!
 
One of the worst players to have played for Pakistan. Hopefully we will see him no more
 
Can we just give Umar Akmal this series to prove himself? He is not a robot! You dont drop a player into a series and clap your hands and expect him to start hitting 100 in every match. He needs to get back into the feel of international cricket and the tour of Australia isnt exactly the best place for that.

How many series does his 100+ one day games include?! 100+ games, how many more would he need to prove himself.

In the 'oh too' breif moments you have seen him on the field or as a batsman this series, where have you seen the improvements.

1. Has he got any fitter?
2. Has his fielding improved?
3. Has his shot selection improved?
4. Is he better at rotating strike?
5. Is he quicker, run better between wickets?

What exact improvement did you see that requires him to play another series as compared to the player that was droppen earlier?
 
Tough ask 10 runs per over but what a strange innings from him.

What a struggle. Scratched around and then a lousy shot to get out.
 
He should be sacked immediately. The worst player to ever play for us. Absolute garbage.
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] is this the 'modern' batsman you were talking about?
 
Can't even hack his way to 30(26) now haha. He has fallen down into pataal lok.
 
I welcome his approach and his ambition, but I think in this series he has been let down by poor fitness and bad form (he didnt play the domestic odi, because he wasnt part of any team, I think and he was benched from his BPL team).

The cupboard is very bare indeed.
 
I welcome his approach and his ambition, but I think in this series he has been let down by poor fitness and bad form (he didnt play the domestic odi, because he wasnt part of any team, I think and he was benched from his BPL team).

The cupboard is very bare indeed.

He failed big time in BPL, and I expect the same in PSL unless Anwar Ali and Umar Gul decide to gift him some half-trackers and full-tosses.
 
It seems as if he's forgotten how to bat, ala Nasir Jamshed. Looked like a tailender at times out there. I feel his fitness is a major reason for this, along with his confidence levels, which seem to be at an all time low. I've been the most staunchest of his supporters, even when he was struggling all this time, but seeing him now, I would much rather get rid of him as he's become a complete liability.

There's also a possibility he might be deliberately underperforming at number 6, given his vocal stance as to how he's being misused by not sending him up the order. I wont be surprised if he turns his form around when he plays at number 3 for Qalandars in the PSL, and then uses this as proof that he should be playing no lower than 4 in the ODIs/T20s as well.
 
Unsuccessful return so far , got one more innings to cement his place for the next tour. If fails , should be gone for a long long time.
 
Interesting how we see [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] on the threads bashing Nawaz, Imad,and Rizwan. But we won't see him on this thread defending a player who he has backed who has been poor.
 
Azhar Ali is to be blamed for Umar Akmal's performance.

Umar Akmal knows that Azhar Ali is not cut out for modern ODI game but to see Azhar Ali still not only included in the team but also as captain, makes Umar Akmal frustrated and he is not able to focus on his own game. Once Azhar Ali is out of the team and replaced by a modern ODI batsman then Umar Akmal will flourish.
 
He has the highest number of 100s as a no.6 batsman in the World (2).. even more than Dhoni and Yuvraj, says so much about our great batsman

Average is the top 10 averages ever for a no.6 batsman.. masla kia hai??

its all about the averages isn't it..

Malik is fine because he averages 50 since he came back..

Babar is fine because he averages 50 in ODIs..

Bhaiyya ko bhi chalnay do.. others are playing for their averages too
 
He has the highest number of 100s as a no.6 batsman in the World (2).. even more than Dhoni and Yuvraj, says so much about our great batsman

Average is the top 10 averages ever for a no.6 batsman.. masla kia hai??

its all about the averages isn't it..

Malik is fine because he averages 50 since he came back..

Babar is fine because he averages 50 in ODIs..

Bhaiyya ko bhi chalnay do.. others are playing for their averages too

It was funny, I remember people criticising him in 2011, saying he through away his wicket too much, no responsibility. Which he did, but regardless was doing fine at 6. Some were saying to move him up then, but he was doing absolutely fine at 6, and I'm sure he would have slowly moved up with time.

Now many fans would love the performance that umar gave at 6 pre 2011. They wouldn't complain about throwing his wicket away. It'd be a massive improvement over current umar akmal.

Think that's what got to Akmal, he had so much criticism when he was doing well. And it caused him to lose his head and get worse. While he should have just kept playing as he was, and I'm sure slowly slowly he would have become more responsible. Doesn't know whether to attack, defend has no gameplan these days. And then when things don't work just resorts to slogging.
 
Interesting how we see [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] on the threads bashing Nawaz, Imad,and Rizwan. But we won't see him on this thread defending a player who he has backed who has been poor.

Poor show because of poor form is different from where you're destined to be poor, because of your lack of ability and limited skillset.

Cricketers are rated on their skillset and ability.
 
Poor show because of poor form is different from where you're destined to be poor, because of your lack of ability and limited skillset.

Cricketers are rated on their skillset and ability.

That's hilarious cricketers are only rated on one thing and that is their performance which Akmal has none of.

Despite his fan's best efforts to defend him Akmal will ALWAYS remain a useless TTF who is not good enough for international cricket and now has a massive belly to go with his lack of performance.

#Wasted investment
 
Poor show because of poor form is different from where you're destined to be poor, because of your lack of ability and limited skillset.

Cricketers are rated on their skillset and ability.


Umar isn't showing any ability and skill in this series though.
 
This guy needs to be kicked out as soon as possible. Such a rubbish player
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] is this the 'modern' batsman you were talking about?

his poor patch continues. but his innings in 2nd and 3rd ODI weren't bad. I know he is in immense pressure and not in great form of his life so I will give him benefit of the doubt. he is much much better player than we saw tonight. But knowing our resources I will not dump him after this series. WI should be the last series before we sent him to domestic cricket again.
 
That's hilarious cricketers are only rated on one thing and that is their performance which Akmal has none of.

Despite his fan's best efforts to defend him Akmal will ALWAYS remain a useless TTF who is not good enough for international cricket and now has a massive belly to go with his lack of performance.

#Wasted investment

You have your opinion, and I can respect that.

Umar isn't showing any ability and skill in this series though.

Indeed, not in the best of form. It's his comeback though, need a few more series. Can't just drop someone who is among 1-2 bats that belong in the modern LOI era in Pak team.
 
It was funny, I remember people criticising him in 2011, saying he through away his wicket too much, no responsibility. Which he did, but regardless was doing fine at 6. Some were saying to move him up then, but he was doing absolutely fine at 6, and I'm sure he would have slowly moved up with time.

Now many fans would love the performance that umar gave at 6 pre 2011. They wouldn't complain about throwing his wicket away. It'd be a massive improvement over current umar akmal.

Think that's what got to Akmal, he had so much criticism when he was doing well. And it caused him to lose his head and get worse. While he should have just kept playing as he was, and I'm sure slowly slowly he would have become more responsible. Doesn't know whether to attack, defend has no gameplan these days. And then when things don't work just resorts to slogging.

so fans are to blame?
 
It was funny, I remember people criticising him in 2011, saying he through away his wicket too much, no responsibility. Which he did, but regardless was doing fine at 6. Some were saying to move him up then, but he was doing absolutely fine at 6, and I'm sure he would have slowly moved up with time.

Now many fans would love the performance that umar gave at 6 pre 2011. They wouldn't complain about throwing his wicket away. It'd be a massive improvement over current umar akmal.

Think that's what got to Akmal, he had so much criticism when he was doing well. And it caused him to lose his head and get worse. While he should have just kept playing as he was, and I'm sure slowly slowly he would have become more responsible. Doesn't know whether to attack, defend has no gameplan these days. And then when things don't work just resorts to slogging.

This is just lame and all excuses.
 
You have your opinion, and I can respect that.



Indeed, not in the best of form. It's his comeback though, need a few more series. Can't just drop someone who is among 1-2 bats that belong in the modern LOI era in Pak team.


I'm not saying dropping him. Yes it's his comeback series but he's been around long enough.You will has Nawaz , Imad, etc even though they are new to international cricket but someone who has been around for over 7 years and still failing is seen as "out of form".
 
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