Haroon786
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If you were to pick any middle order batsman in Pakistan to replace the Talented One, who would it be?
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The guy with 30 FC centuries and an average of 56.
Yeah also bring back awais zia and khurram manzoor for tests , i think they are better than umar akmalSalahuddin is worse than Shafiq will score more slowly without averaging high Umar Akmal is the best option an aggressive stroke maker who can definitely do better.
Inzi doesn't rate him.
But he rated Hafeez very highly, but then he might have a point looking at the state of Pakistan’s openers on this tour to SA.. I’m sure Hafeez got back to back test 100s on the SA tour last time, or was that in Australia?
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what do you think of the perception that Fawad can't hack it outside the SC?Guys despite all Inzis Criticism the fact is Faddy wouldnt survive outside Asia with his technique. I think he should have been given a chance long time ago. It has to be Saad or Saud who should be next but again there is no batsman who will do well.
Guys despite all Inzis Criticism the fact is Faddy wouldnt survive outside Asia with his technique. I think he should have been given a chance long time ago. It has to be Saad or Saud who should be next but again there is no batsman who will do well.
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what do you think of the perception that Fawad can't hack it outside the SC?
Honestly who really cares if he hacks it outside SC. We play the majority of games there, those are the ones we are likely to win. And even if he scores outside the SC, we're likely going to lose anyway. I remember the days of Salman Butt, scored in Australia where we lost every match, everywhere else did close to zero where he actually could have influenced the match result.
The loss against NZ in UAE irritates me far more than what's happening in SA. We were favourites and to be beaten by a non-subcontinent side who aren't even the best in the world makes me pretty sad.
When we regularly win in the subcontinent then we can turn our heads towards doing well abroad, but we need to fix that first. Play all the flat track bullies you can if it will improve our subcontinent (or simply just UAE) win ratio. If we start winning regularly in the subcontinent we can be a decent side, maybe even a good one, teams have got to no.1 dominating at home/familiar conditions. Even if we say win a sole SA tour, it's not going to surge us up the rankings or make us a great team if we're losing at home. We need to get our priorities straight.
It’s come at the wrong time for Saad
Should have been picked earlier, not going through the best fc season right now (by his standards)
Like many here, I also feel that he will get a 50 in one of the three innings and save his spot.
Does he deserve to be in the test team given his performances over the last 8 years?
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] what do you think of the perception that Fawad can't hack it outside the SC?
Has to be Umar Akmal, should’ve never been dropped from the test squad.
Fawad- might be useless outside Asia but with his pedigree in Domestic, he should score heavily at home in matches that are expected to win. Saud and Saad bat at a pretty good strike rate and have proven themselves in domestic. Usman was also unlucky to be dropped early.
No, he doesn’t.
One 50/100 in the series and he stops caring as he knows his spot is safe. But if Hafeez can block a spot with fewer achievements then it shouldn’t be very difficult for him with his occasional big scores.
That's all it is - a perception. We don't know unless we test him, and I'd rather test someone with a FC record that blows every one of our Test batsmen out of the water than chancing my arm on another 30s averaging FC batsman because he "looks good".
Even if he fails outside Asia, I'd rather we take care of home base first. It's embarassing in an era of such pronounced home domination that Pakistan have shelled two Test series in a year in UAE, so Fawad's spin playing ability is needed. Pakistan cannot turn their noses up at someone with 30 FC hundreds !
Saud Shakeel is another terrific prospect but his List A record is much stronger than his FC record so I'd debut him in ODIs first. I'd wait until he increases his FC average above 45.
It’s come at the wrong time for Saad
Should have been picked earlier, not going through the best fc season right now (by his standards)
What about the Saud or Usman?
Would you consider anyone else?
Was never really on the Usman train, he spent a lot of time in regional cricket and is another grafter
Saud maybe decent but he has never excited, happy to be proven wrong though
That’s the difficulty, the cupboard is quite bare. I’d probably still go with Saad due to a lack of options . With him I’d take Fawad. It’s too late for him, well past his prime but I am hopefull he can at least provide some runs while other players come through.
People need to have realistic expectations. Right now I would be happy to get back to not loosing at home, and competing in Asia. The rest can come after we achieve that.
Asad for me has to go, Sarfraz I’m a fan, but I reckon he himself is over test cricket.
Shan has surprised me, hopefully it continues but I doubt it, I saw farhat hit a few decent 50s overseas as well. Same goes for imam
Fahkar is another one id keep hope with because he will be invaluable in the uae, especially given the pedestrian nature of a lot of our batsmen.
So basically I reckon we should rip up the entire senior batting lineup minus Azhar, who has done enough to be given some more rope.
With all that in mind, my lineup for the next series
1. Fahkar
2. Azhar - C (on an interim basis)
3. Haris - please be fit
4. Babar
5. Fawad
6. Saad Ali
7. Rizwan - wk
8. Zafar
9. Haris
10. Abbas
11. Pacer
There are quite a few left handlers here, which may be an issue on uae pitches vs an offspiner
In reserve I’d include:
Abid Ali - another grafter, but as an opener he merits a chance
Umar Akmal - there is no logic to me saying this, just fools hope
Amir Yameen - again I don’t expect anything special but he knows his limits and operates well within them.
I’d have included Iftikar Ahmed if he wasn’t 40 years old. He is an okay player, plus his offspin would have been useful
How well can Zafar bat at no. 8?
They should have left Asad at number 6.
Moving him around the order was a major error.
Has to be Umar Akmal, should’ve never been dropped from the test squad.
As our next series is in Sri Lanka, (I think, too lazy to check) and considering the possibility that there will be some major changes, this would be my 11:
Was never really on the Usman train, he spent a lot of time in regional cricket and is another grafter
Saud maybe decent but he has never excited, happy to be proven wrong though
That’s the difficulty, the cupboard is quite bare. I’d probably still go with
Saad due to a lack of options . With him I’d take Fawad. It’s too late for him, well past his prime but I am hopefull he can at least provide some runs while other players come through.
People need to have realistic expectations. Right now I would be happy to get back to not loosing at home, and competing in Asia. The rest can come after we achieve that.
Asad for me has to go, Sarfraz I’m a fan, but I reckon he himself is over test cricket.
Shan has surprised me, hopefully it continues but I doubt it, I saw farhat hit a few decent 50s overseas as well. Same goes for imam
Fahkar is another one id keep hope with because he will be invaluable in the uae, especially given the pedestrian nature of a lot of our batsmen.
So basically I reckon we should rip up the entire senior batting lineup minus Azhar, who has done enough to be given some more rope.
With all that in mind, my lineup for the next series
1. Fahkar
2. Azhar - C (on an interim basis)
3. Haris - please be fit
4. Babar
5. Fawad
6. Saad Ali
7. Rizwan - wk
8. Zafar
9. Haris
10. Abbas
11. Pacer
There are quite a few left handlers here, which may be an issue on uae pitches vs an offspiner
In reserve I’d include:
Abid Ali - another grafter, but as an opener he merits a chance
Umar Akmal - there is no logic to me saying this, just fools hope
Amir Yameen - again I don’t expect anything special but he knows his limits and operates well within them.
I’d have included Iftikar Ahmed if he wasn’t 40 years old. He is an okay player, plus his offspin would have been useful
I'd play
1. Manzoor (he's doing well, and has a history of partnering Shan, so give him a go)
2. Shan
3. Azhar
4. Haris
5. Babar
6. Fawad (c) (we need someone who knows how to captain)
7. Sarfraz (one more series without the captaincy to fight for his place. Also feel like it would be Armageddon if we kicked out a captain before we gave him a chance as a player again )
8. Bilal (doesn't deserved to be dropped yet, but Zafar would be the guy to replace him if needed)
9. Shah
10. Abbas
11. Mir Hamza (give him a few more tries to see how good he is, only had one shot)
Having both Hamza and Abbas would be too much of a one paced attack. Hasan is the best exponent of reverse swing in Pakistan anyways.
Umar wouldn't even be in my domestic team, forget internationals.
Like many here, I also feel that he will get a 50 in one of the three innings and save his spot.
As most had predicted, he is scoring runs to save his place for the next series or two.
He is the GOAT at saving his place and no one else will be able to replicate his greatness in this aspect.
Pak fans had similar concerns against Moyo who would often score a soft 100 and go missing in crucial times. Younis was the one who put his hand up in crisis a lot. Younis was like Moyos understudy then.
Pak fans had similar concerns against Moyo who would often score a soft 100 and go missing in crucial times. Younis was the one who put his hand up in crisis a lot. Younis was like Moyos understudy then.
Abid Ali, Saud Shakeel, Saif badar, Hasan Mohsin, Saad Ali, Adil Amin, Umair Yousuf, Ali Sarfraz, there are 10 more I can't recall who will play better than Asad Shafiq to help the Pakistan team, not only hitting a one off 50 or 60 to save his place in the side.