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Who Was The Worst Pakistani Leader?

Who Was The Worst Pakistani Leader?

  • Liaquat Ali Khan

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  • Benazir Bhutto

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  • Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain

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  • Shaukat Aziz

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  • Yousaf Raza Gillani

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  • Asif Ali Zardari

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  • Yahya Khan

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  • Ghulam Ishaq Khan

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  • Other (Specify in comment)

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Before beginning, I know little about Pakistani politics. :ibutt

People have strong opinions about politicians. We've seen it over the years with Zardari, Sharif, Musharraf, but who was the worst?

Zardari and Sharif = Corruption

Musharraf = Minimized Development of Democracy

Zia = Islamicisation of Pakistan

Is there someone else I'm missing?
 
Ayub Khan is easily the worst Pakistani leader. He is the root of all problems of Pakistan.
 
General Zia. He may be dead but his poisonous legacy remains alive.

He carried on from Bhutto in allowing the religious right unfettered access to the media and education system thus mainstreaming fanaticism. Saudi funded seminaries propped up all over the country and from these came your LEJs, LETs, JEMs. [MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] has posted many times here about the startling changes to school textbooks brainwashing an entire generation.

Time and again one sees Zia's callous disregard for his own peoples' lives. One could point to his role in creating the MQM to break the PPP's hold in Karachi, once the City of Lights.

Ojri Camp is another example. The story goes there was a leakage in the supply of weapons to Afghanistan. American arms intended for the Afghan fighters were sold to Iran who was fighting Iraq at the time. This leakage occurred in Rawalpindi and to hide this theft, the place was blown up and killed so many lives in the city. Newsweek did an article on the tragedy and put the blame of theft and murder squarely on the ruling powers.

Women descended to lower than vermin in the food chain under his tenure. The Zina Ordinance resulted in one case where a blind 13 year old gang rape victim was tried for adultery whilst the criminals walked away scot-free.

I wonder what the true story was with the plane crash as by the end so many were out to get Zia - the Americans, the Iranians, the Russians. Either way, all that was left of his smouldering ruins was his teeth. I guess you can call it karmic justice.
 
General Zia. He may be dead but his poisonous legacy remains alive.

He carried on from Bhutto in allowing the religious right unfettered access to the media and education system thus mainstreaming fanaticism. Saudi funded seminaries propped up all over the country and from these came your LEJs, LETs, JEMs. [MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] has posted many times here about the startling changes to school textbooks brainwashing an entire generation.

Time and again one sees Zia's callous disregard for his own peoples' lives. One could point to his role in creating the MQM to break the PPP's hold in Karachi, once the City of Lights.

Ojri Camp is another example. The story goes there was a leakage in the supply of weapons to Afghanistan. American arms intended for the Afghan fighters were sold to Iran who was fighting Iraq at the time. This leakage occurred in Rawalpindi and to hide this theft, the place was blown up and killed so many lives in the city. Newsweek did an article on the tragedy and put the blame of theft and murder squarely on the ruling powers.

Women descended to lower than vermin in the food chain under his tenure. The Zina Ordinance resulted in one case where a blind 13 year old gang rape victim was tried for adultery whilst the criminals walked away scot-free.

I wonder what the true story was with the plane crash as by the end so many were out to get Zia - the Americans, the Iranians, the Russians. Either way, all that was left of his smouldering ruins was his teeth. I guess you can call it karmic justice.

A lot of people suspect someone within the army carried out his assisination. Hamid Gul was one of the suspects for a long time.
 
Zia
Ghulam Ishaq khan
Ayub
Yahya
Musharraf
Sikandar
Liaqat
Zardari
Nawaz
Baynazir
MA Jinnah
Zulfiqar
Juneojo



And then few, one can insert them anywhere:
Chuahdary Shujaat
Yousaf Raza
 
Zia probably , he was a politician to core , never cared for Islam , used islam in his politics
 
Zia-ul Haq (by a country mile) - For obvious reasons.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto - For not accepting Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rehman's mandate, for introducing widespread nationalization, for destroying the country's health and education system by inducting his friends, for promoting Zia over 19 (or was it 9) senior general, for giving in to the mullahs.

Zardari and Sharif - For shamelessly stealing billions upon billions of poor nation's wealth.

Benazir Bhutto- For marrying Zardari and letting him have a free hand to do as much corruption as he pleases.

Pervaiz Musharraf - For selling the country to the Americas, for allowing Benazir and Nawaz to return, for destroying democracy, for squandering the excellent opportunity presented to him to set the country right (he had 80% approval rating at one point highest in the history of Pakistan).

Ayub Khan - For setting a precedent of military takeovers and abrogation of constitution(he did however set the country up on a path of unprecedented development)
 
Went downhill after Jinnah sahab.

Jinnah himself said that every incoming government will be worse than the previous one. Jinnah sahab knew what he was talking about.
 
Zia is top of the pile. His garbage legacy lives on and as a nation we are yet to rid ourselves of it.

The thieves that are Nawaz Sharif (lets not forget was introduced to us by Zia) and Zardari also get a mention. They are right up there just below Zia for they systematic destruction of our nations institutions and their blatant disregard for the nation and its people
 
Zia Ul Hag, he organised the brutal butchering of 25,000 PALESTINIANS during Black September would even have Israeli's feeling bad.......
 
Zia and this is not even a debate.....

Guy was the Ijaz Butt of Pakistan Government
 
Zia Ul Hag, he organised the brutal butchering of 25,000 PALESTINIANS during Black September would even have Israeli's feeling bad.......

Scumbag that Zia is, Wikipedia has overall deaths between 3400-5000. Yasir Arafat claimed 10,000 but that's as high as it got.
 
In chronological order:

Liaqat Ali Khan: The objectives resolution is what enabled future rulers to go through with the Islamization of Pakistan and a disgraceful framework to base your constitution on. The first major Pakistani leader to get in bed with the religious right.

Bhutto: The man who truly started the Islamization of Pakistan in earnest, undid most of the economic progress made up to the point where he became PM and, his most grievous sin in my book, revived the army when it was completely down and out following the whipping in 1971. He was the last Pakistani leader who was in a position to put the army in its place but instead he let his personal ambitions dictate his actions and he ended up reviving the army to it's former power. Poetic justice at it's finest when the army later turned on him. Had he gone about things the right way, the Zia and Musharraf dictatorships would not have existed.

Zia: The absolute worst, bar none. No one has done as much damage to this country as him. It was he who put in place policies that made extremism the norm in Pakistan as opposed to a fringe phenomenon. He is the father of the Taliban generation(Pakistani millenials). The man, along with what is now JI, had more of a role in shaping Pakistan in its current form than any leader past or future and it would not at all be wrong to say that he is the true father of the nation since the Pakistan Jinnah created was killed in its infancy by Liaqat in 1949 when the objectives resolution was passed. The Pakistan we live in today, is very much the fruit of Zia's labor.

There hasnt been a decent leader since Jinnah but given how grievous the sins of these three are, none of others merit a mention in the same list as them since they're all minnows compared to them.
 
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In chronological order:

Liaqat Ali Khan: The objectives resolution is what enabled future rulers to go through with the Islamization of Pakistan and a disgraceful framework to base your constitution on. The first major Pakistani leader to get in bed with the religious right.

Bhutto: The man who truly started the Islamization of Pakistan in earnest, undid most of the economic progress made up to the point where he became PM and, his most grievous sin in my book, revived the army when it was completely down and out following the whipping in 1971. He was the last Pakistani leader who was in a position to put the army in its place but instead he let his personal ambitions dictate his actions and he ended up reviving the army to it's former power. Poetic justice at it's finest when the army later turned on him. Had he gone about things the right way, the Zia and Musharraf dictatorships would not have existed.

Zia: The absolute worst, bar none. No one has done as much damage to this country as him. It was he who put in place policies that made extremism the norm in Pakistan as opposed to a fringe phenomenon. He is the father of the Taliban generation(Pakistani millenials). The man, along with what is now JI, had more of a role in shaping Pakistan in its current form than any leader past or future and it would not at all be wrong to say that he is the true father of the nation since the Pakistan Jinnah created was killed in its infancy by Liaqat in 1949 when the objectives resolution was passed. The Pakistan we live in today, is very much the fruit of Zia's labor.

There hasnt been a decent leader since Jinnah but given how grievous the sins of these three are, none of others merit a mention in the same list as them since they're all minnows compared to them.

Well written post. Informative too.
 
Leave aside the usurpers.. the elected leaders have been.

1. ZB
2. BB
3. AZ
4. NS

Good lord!!

Off to a corner to cry....
 
In chronological order:

Liaqat Ali Khan: The objectives resolution is what enabled future rulers to go through with the Islamization of Pakistan and a disgraceful framework to base your constitution on. The first major Pakistani leader to get in bed with the religious right.

Bhutto: The man who truly started the Islamization of Pakistan in earnest, undid most of the economic progress made up to the point where he became PM and, his most grievous sin in my book, revived the army when it was completely down and out following the whipping in 1971. He was the last Pakistani leader who was in a position to put the army in its place but instead he let his personal ambitions dictate his actions and he ended up reviving the army to it's former power. Poetic justice at it's finest when the army later turned on him. Had he gone about things the right way, the Zia and Musharraf dictatorships would not have existed.

Zia: The absolute worst, bar none. No one has done as much damage to this country as him. It was he who put in place policies that made extremism the norm in Pakistan as opposed to a fringe phenomenon. He is the father of the Taliban generation(Pakistani millenials). The man, along with what is now JI, had more of a role in shaping Pakistan in its current form than any leader past or future and it would not at all be wrong to say that he is the true father of the nation since the Pakistan Jinnah created was killed in its infancy by Liaqat in 1949 when the objectives resolution was passed. The Pakistan we live in today, is very much the fruit of Zia's labor.

There hasnt been a decent leader since Jinnah but given how grievous the sins of these three are, none of others merit a mention in the same list as them since they're all minnows compared to them.

Spot on! Agree with you 100%, was about to write the exact same thing, apart from the part about Zia being the worst. He was terrible but not the worst, the worst is reserved for Bhutto.

Zia's Islamisation is responsible for most things terrible in Pakistan, but we have to look at the time during which the Islamisation took place. Iran also went through Islamisation after the revolution but they aren't like us. The place where we imported our wahabi extremism from, Saudi Arabia, is a lot more stringent and backwards than us in terms of laws.

The reason these countries don't have the issues we do is that they are rich in oil. Economics is the most important factor in the sustenance of a country in the modern age. If Pakistan was economically prosperous, Islamisation wouldn't have taken a turn for the worst like it has.

Bhutto's nationalisation took the country back decades, all the aid-induced development of the past decade was laid to waste. Bhutto was a great foreign minister, diplomat, lawyer, and politician. He gave our people the symbol of a reincarnation of a messiah figure like Jinnah, who would pull a rabbit out of a hat and fix all our ills. But, he did not understand economics.

Bloody hell his 3 Finance Minister appointments were an engineer, and 2 barristers. He studied international relations and law, he did not grasp the basic concepts of economics even though he had a brilliant mind. He thought simply because someone like Ayub could take the country to economic prosperity anyone could. He'd promised the people roti, kapra, makan, but had no idea how to deliver it to the people. The end result was nationalisation at a time when we just lost our colony in East Pakistan, on which we relied upon for a massive chunk of our exports. There could actually have been no worse time for his disastrous economic policy.

Bhutto was no champion of democracy either. He happily served under Ayub till he was sacked. Refused to accept the 1970 elections and played a role in egging on Yayha to not accept Mujib. Later, he ruled as a dictator himself. He is the one who sparked this wave of Islamisation. He allowed the liberal upper and upper-middle class to engage in what the moderate middle and lower classes, the bulk of the country, saw as filth and debauchery. This is what empowered the religious right to comeback to the fore and make demands to which he gladly accepted to consolidate and preserve his own power. He made the imbecile Zia chief of the army, he rigged an election he would have won anyways, he left this country in tatters.

If the Islamisation Zia brought took place after Ayub or Yayha, things wouldn't have been as bad as they are. Zia was terrible but the man who appointed him superseding so many others, and after the events of Black September, must be seen as the absolute worse.
 
Ayub Khan is easily the worst Pakistani leader. He is the root of all problems of Pakistan.

yup. all the begharati in Pakistani nation start from him.

Why?

Pakistan was thriving under his leadership - the private sector grew and industrialization was picking up at a rapid rate.

Pakistan was one of the fastest growing economies in the 1950's - on par with South Korea, Singapore, Japan etc. We were ahead of India.

The 1950's was a golden era for Pakistan - our best decade ever and a lot of credit must be given to Ayub Khan for that.
 
Along with Zia Ul Haq - Yahya Khan was also rubbish.

His incompetence led to the rise of the Awami League and the creation of Bangladesh and his crisis handling for the 1971 war was pathetic.

Good riddance of him by ZulfiqarBhutto (who despite his criticism was a much better leader than these two)
 
Zia-ul Haq (by a country mile) - For obvious reasons.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto - For not accepting Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rehman's mandate, for introducing widespread nationalization, for destroying the country's health and education system by inducting his friends, for promoting Zia over 19 (or was it 9) senior general, for giving in to the mullahs.

Zardari and Sharif - For shamelessly stealing billions upon billions of poor nation's wealth.

Benazir Bhutto- For marrying Zardari and letting him have a free hand to do as much corruption as he pleases.

Pervaiz Musharraf - For selling the country to the Americas, for allowing Benazir and Nawaz to return, for destroying democracy, for squandering the excellent opportunity presented to him to set the country right (he had 80% approval rating at one point highest in the history of Pakistan).

Ayub Khan - For setting a precedent of military takeovers and abrogation of constitution(he did however set the country up on a path of unprecedented development)

Regarding your first point - wasn't it Yahya Khan who refused Mujib Ur Rehman's mandate :13: I could be mistake though

Regarding Benazir - she was largely incompetent and crime and inflation spiralled during her reign but could she really have known her husband's greed and lust for power when she married him? It seemed like Zardari took advantage of her...

Also was "selling our country to the US? really a bad thing in the grand scheme of things? Our relations with them from 2002-2008 was very strong and received generous amounts of aid with them. Unlike now where relations have deteriorated and very shaky. I agree Musharraf got greedy in the end but we enjoyed good relations with everyone (even India) during his reign and economic prosperity for half a decade.

About Ayub Kha - was marshall law really a bad thing? Seems like democracy never really worked in Pakistan whilst under military rule - the country always prospered whilst crime, terrorism, debt was kept in control. Democracy has led to nothing but corruption for Pakistan....
 
Fantastic replies.

I've learned a lot and Zia's tenure looks even worse when you dig deeper. That's the Don Bradman of horrible Pakistani leaders.

:ibutt
 
I've heard from quite a few people that Ayub was the best Pakistani leader. There was rapid economic and infrastructure development during his reign. He was a fine leader as far as I know.
 
Who was the worst Pakistani leader after zia?

A better name for this thread. People of Pakistan tend to disagree on everything but Zia's rule is something that the Pakistanis agree on in majority. As someone correctly pointed out, Zia was and shall always remain as the Bradman of horrible leader, leaders like NS and AZ are ahmad Shahzad and umar Akmal.
 
Why?

Pakistan was thriving under his leadership - the private sector grew and industrialization was picking up at a rapid rate.

Pakistan was one of the fastest growing economies in the 1950's - on par with South Korea, Singapore, Japan etc. We were ahead of India.

The 1950's was a golden era for Pakistan - our best decade ever and a lot of credit must be given to Ayub Khan for that.

Pakistani nation was not divided. He divided the nation on ethnic and provincial lines.

Pakistani nation used to respect all cultures. He teaches races to make fun of each other.

Pakistani nation used to think of Pakistan first. He started the culture of thinking of yourself first at the expense of Pakistan.

Pakistani nation was quite honest. He started the culture of dishonesty and corruption.

Pakistani nation was self respected. He started the culture of selling out for money and other benefits.

He destroyed democracy.

He was the first leader of Pakistan who used to get money from foreign organizations.

He was the chief architect of breaking of Pakistan.

All the current problems of Pakistan stem from his rule. Yayha Khan, Zia and Musharaff all contriubute in destroying Pakistan as well.
 
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