Who will be the most dangerous new-ball bowler in the ICC World Cup 2023?

[MenInG]

Shaheen and Bumrah are well known to us for the new ball exploits but who else?

 

[Devadwal]

Boult> Shaheen > Bumrah > Starc for New Ball
Bumrah> Starc> Boult> Shaheen with old ball and death overs

 

[mominsaigol]

Boult> Shaheen > Bumrah > Starc for New Ball
Bumrah> Starc> Boult> Shaheen with old ball and death overs

Highly disagree with shaheen > Bumrah with the new ball.

The warmup showed shaheen has 2 plans.

Plan 1: Use that early unplayable inswing to dismiss batsmen.

Plan 2: If Plan 1 fails, start panicking and overpitching.

Bumrah is smarter with his length. Also stark should be no 1 or 2, he does the same as shaheen except he can pitch that unplayable more consistently as shown against nedtherlands and he has varying length, he doesn't panic if the unplayable inswing doesn't work.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Shaheen has lost his spark with the new ball.

In one over you’ll get :-

In swing full toss that gets smashed for four.

In swing yorker going down leg side

Not one ball going across the batsman to set him up for the in swing.

He has zero patience. The social media hype has gotten to him. If he doesn’t get a wicket in his first 3 balls you almost feel like he’s going to have a breakdown.

 

[mominsaigol]

Shaheen has lost his spark with the new ball.

In one over you’ll get :-

In swing full toss that gets smashed for four.

In swing yorker going down leg side

Not one ball going across the batsman to set him up for the in swing.

He has zero patience. The social media hype has gotten to him. If he doesn’t get a wicket in his first 3 balls you almost feel like he’s going to have a breakdown.

I don't think he's lost spark, it's just he isn't fully fit, but no shaheen alongside naseem means death for Pakistan lol, so he has to play even with that broken finger.

But I agree on the rest, his issue is unlike naseem who just bowls line and length which maintains economy and gets wickets similar to Glenn mcgrath, Shaheen tries to get a wicket every ball.

He needs to learn that won't work, learning from stark is key. Stark tries to get a wicket here and their and in doing so may accidentally over pitch, but he doesn't try every ball, he mostly bowls line and length but will take a gamble once in a while. It's why stark is so effective.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

The way dead wickets are being seen in India honestly speaking none of the bowlers with the new ball would be threatening.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Starc




big gap




Bumrah
Shaheen
Boult

 

[jnaveen1980]

Based on IPL history i go with Boult. That guy even if there is a hint of assistance he will make sure he makes the most of it. Bumrah is not a new ball bowler regardless of what he can do. He has developed outswing. Shami will be more dangerous alongwith Siraj. BHuvi will just look dangerous. But won't take wickets. Starc depending on which starc shows up. Shaheen on some surfaces can be effective.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Trent Boult probably

 

[ChennaiFan]

Mitchell Starc, Shaheen Afridi, or Mujeeb-ur-Rahman

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shaheen, Boult and Bumrah.. Might be few spinners also like mujeeb on spin friendly tracks.

 

[hafizexpress]

This isn't 2021/2022 Shaheen anymore. He's not fully fit. And he's never been effective against left-handers. So Boult and Starc take the cake. They have shown their inswinging best recently which Shaheen can't boast about. Bumrah comes second or third to them with his tedious lines and early movement.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

You can't beat Starc. GOAT ODI bowler.

 

[Firebat]

The new ball will not be dangerous on these pancakes.

 

[mominsaigol]

The new ball will not be dangerous on these pancakes.

If you watched the bamgaldesh vs England warmup, both teams struggled.

Only hyderabad has been a pancake, no other surface. Also Australia with the new ball dismantled us with line and length, they let us recover by bowling Warner and Smith.

Our bowling is ordinary, irrespective of surfaces.

 

[Ab Fan]

Trent Boult

 

[deltexas]

Boult Bumrah. Starc will be more effective in the death overs. Shaheen- his form has dipped. If he doesn't take a wicket in the first 2 or 3 overs - then he has a tendency to go for plenty. A surprise could be Chris Woakes.

 

[ArabKnight]

ICC has destroyed the art of bowling yet have the audacity to post on social media promoting bowlers.

 

[Justcrazy]

Shaheen with new ball.

 

[kingusama92]

Hard to look past Starc. The man is GOAT in World Cups.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Let us look at the stats in power play of some of the bowlers. Strike rate is an indication how often they strike.

Player	Matches	Wickets	Avge	ER	SR
Bumrah	77	129	24.31	4.67	74.01
Starc	107	73	24.34	4.91	75.24
Siraj	29	54	20.01	4.87	76.03
Boult	103	197	23.56	4.94	78.57
Rabada	90	144	27.75	5.06	78.61
Cummins	77	126	27.99	5.23	82.70
Shaheen	43	86	23.36	5.45	87.53

 

[Adijazz1706]

Let us look at the stats in power play of some of the bowlers. Strike rate is an indication how often they strike.

Player	Matches	Wickets	Avge	ER	SR
Bumrah	77	129	24.31	4.67	74.01
Starc	107	73	24.34	4.91	75.24
Siraj	29	54	20.01	4.87	76.03
Boult	103	197	23.56	4.94	78.57
Rabada	90	144	27.75	5.06	78.61
Cummins	77	126	27.99	5.23	82.70
Shaheen	43	86	23.36	5.45	87.53

A SR of 70 means they take a wicket every 70 balls right? Does not seem correct at all

 

[jnaveen1980]

A SR of 70 means they take a wicket every 70 balls right? Does not seem correct at all

cricinfo ask said it is power play. But not sure it is correct. There could be some bug. Let me double check.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Let me double check and post if i find another approach. This is flawed as Adijazz said.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Boult.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Shaheen will be the one, followed by Siraj (If Siraj is given the new ball)

 

[jnaveen1980]

I had to do some manual calculation. Based on their whole career. Not on current form. In current form Boult is taking 2, 3 wickets in first 3 overs for fun in the league cricket. Kinda surprised at Shami's stat. Not surprised at Bumrah's stat. Bumrah started his career as death bowler much like Malinga. Only recently became a new ball bowler. Shaheen, Starc, Siraj out and out new ball bowlers. So no surprise there.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Same bowlers in death overs. This is where Starc edges ahead of everyone Good both in power play and death overs. Overall Australia has a solid group to do well in death. But bowling in Indian conditions is a whole experience altogether. Let us see whether they live up to their standard

Bowler	Death over ER
Bumrah	5.87
Starc	6.41
Hazlewood	6.55
Rabada	6.66
Siraj	6.72
Cummins	6.82
Boult	7.16
Shaheen	7.26
Shami	7.72

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mujeeb ur Rahman has a strike rate of 37 in power play ER of 3.76. Didn't include him as he got to play a lot of minnows.

 

[Marooned]

It's sad that Shaheen's form has deteriorated sufficiently for this to even be a question honestly.

Otherwise, with new ball the only one competing was Trent Boult. But Shaheen's art form was even more special. The ball came from a higher height with even more swing than boult, at a much higher pace and even more accurately. Cricviz had a great article on Shaheen's new ball magic.

People mentioning Starc are casual popcorn observers. Starc was never a consistent threat with the new ball. His best is with the semi new/ old ball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nortje is complete rubbish with new ball. He has a strike rate of 114. Henry is around 37. Southee 40. England doesn't care about all these things. They just use some Topley & Woakes and in the middle overs Wood/Rashid. So i didn't include them in this list.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's sad that Shaheen's form has deteriorated sufficiently for this to even be a question honestly.

Otherwise, with new ball the only one competing was Trent Boult. But Shaheen's art form was even more special. The ball came from a higher height with even more swing than boult, at a much higher pace and even more accurately. Cricviz had a great article on Shaheen's new ball magic.

People mentioning Starc are casual popcorn observers. Starc was never a consistent threat with the new ball. His best is with the semi new/ old ball.

I don't think pakistan use him as a strike bowler. They use him as a work horse and run him to ground. In a team not everybody shouldn't want to be a strike bowler. Bowling at high speeds. That is when injuries galore.

 

[ExpressPacer]

This isn't 2021/2022 Shaheen anymore. He's not fully fit. And he's never been effective against left-handers. So Boult and Starc take the cake. They have shown their inswinging best recently which Shaheen can't boast about. Bumrah comes second or third to them with his tedious lines and early movement.

What’s wrong with his fitness? Do you have any authentic source to prove your claim? Has the PCB, the team management or Shaheen even hinted toward this?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I had to do some manual calculation. Based on their whole career. Not on current form. In current form Boult is taking 2, 3 wickets in first 3 overs for fun in the league cricket. Kinda surprised at Shami's stat. Not surprised at Bumrah's stat. Bumrah started his career as death bowler much like Malinga. Only recently became a new ball bowler. Shaheen, Starc, Siraj out and out new ball bowlers. So no surprise there.

Good stuff. Siraj is a massive threat with the new ball. Shami is brilliant in the middle overs against the top sides. His numbers with the new ball are not impressive.

It's the reason why I want India to open with Siraj and Pandya. they are the most likely to get 2-3 in PP. If the ball is swinging, Bumrah can brought in immediately. Otherwise, Siraj and Pandya have the most new ball threat and can break the game early.

Nortje has phenomenal numbers in the middle overs though. and at the death, I think. That's where he will be missed.

 

[hafizexpress]

What’s wrong with his fitness? Do you have any authentic source to prove your claim? Has the PCB, the team management or Shaheen even hinted toward this?

The authentic source is what's in front of us. He doesn't bowl with the same pace that he used to and isn't able to exploit swing the same way he did for the last couple of years. The team management isn't really something to go by btw.. they are notorious for hiding injuries and mismanaging fitness for all of Pakistan cricket history

 

[shah9425]

Shaheen will be most dangerous

 

[ExpressPacer]

The authentic source is what's in front of us. He doesn't bowl with the same pace that he used to and isn't able to exploit swing the same way he did for the last couple of years. The team management isn't really something to go by btw.. they are notorious for hiding injuries and mismanaging fitness for all of Pakistan cricket history

Yes but he hasn’t bowled with the same pace since his return earlier this year. If anything, his pace had improved in the Asia Cup. I don’t think he’s necessarily carrying an injury.

Rather, he’s just not AS good as Pakistani fans think he is. He’s also slowly being found out and players are starting to understand how to play him.

 

[Devadwal]

What’s wrong with his fitness? Do you have any authentic source to prove your claim? Has the PCB, the team management or Shaheen even hinted toward this?

Watch zainab Abbas interviews with Amir . Zainab clearly said that Shaheen fingure is not full fit ( fingure Injury) but Team management doesn't want to share the details.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shaheen will be most dangerous

if ball won't get a bit of seam or swing early on, so he will get even more dangerous for his own team.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Starc, Big match performer

 

[PakPremi]

Watch zainab Abbas interviews with Amir . Zainab clearly said that Shaheen fingure is not full fit ( fingure Injury) but Team management doesn't want to share the details.

I also heard during warm up one of the commentator talking about Shaheen finger injuries but he is not showing it by putting lots of effort in jus bowling. Even before that there have been talks he is not fully fit.

 

[Devadwal]

Shaheen opening spell against Netherlands was so poor. No pace no seam & Swing

 

[hassan918]

Shaheen will be number one and Boult will be number 2 in in terms of getting wickets in the first spell.

 

[Devadwal]

Shaheen will be number one and Boult will be number 2 in in terms of getting wickets in the first spell.

So far both were played one Game and were bowled absolutely rubbish in first spell

 

[hassan918]

So far both were played one Game and were bowled absolutely rubbish in first spell

It is a very long tournament so don't judge on one match.

 

[7sins]

trent boult or siraj is doing great. I feel bumrah isnt as lethal as he was before

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah is showing masterclass against Australia on a dry pitch at Chennai.Already got 1 wicket in first spell

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bumrah is just showing his class now.

 

[hassan918]

trent boult or siraj is doing great. I feel bumrah isnt as lethal as he was before

Siraj went for 28 in his 4 overs with the new ball against Afghanistan. He is only dangerous in certain conditions.

 

[jnaveen1980]

On flat road very few new ball bowlers survive. Bumrah and Starc have done well so far.

 

[Mobashir]

So far the best two are Topley and Hazlewood.
Surprised no one mentionned them.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Bumrah, Hazlewood, Boult

Shaheen is one of the best new ball bower but he is all over the place whille bowling in this world cup.

 

[Bhaijaan]

So far the best two are Topley and Hazlewood.
Surprised no one mentionned them.

Hazzy a class act.

I reckon Bumrah is gonna be up there and very soon chhota fridi gonna join the party in Bharat

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Starc and Topley. Giants with zip.

SSA deserted at wrong time

 

[jnaveen1980]

Starc and Topley. Giants with zip.

SSA deserted at wrong time

Good call about Topley. His height is a big advantage. Strong shoulders.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Rabada showing his class today.

You couldn’t keep him quiet for too long. He has class and he can take apart any top batting line up on his day.

Acknowledge that

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bumrah is pure class

 

[hassan918]

So far Bumrah and Rabada have the most impressive new ball bowlers.

 

[deltexas]

Has to be bumrah. Amazing adaptability. Believe he should be rested atleast for the Netherlands game and maybe more if india qualify early for sf.

 

[Saj]

Bumrah is different class.

Not only a good bowler but an intelligent one who works batters out.

Game-changer!