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Who will take the number 6 batting position in the Pakistan Test side against England?

Who will take the number 6 slot in the Pakistan Test side against England?

  • Iftikhar Ahmed

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • Fawad Alam

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Sarfaraz Ahmed (playing as batsman only)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Imam-ul-Haq

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Shadab Khan

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Imad Wasim

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
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Based on what I see from the training games so far, it would seem that the top 5 slots will be occupied by Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Azhar Ali, Babar Azam and Asad Shafiq.

Which then leaves the all important number 6 slot.

So who will occupy that position for Pakistan?
 
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Unless Fawad Alam improves drastically in the remaining innings - then I would think Iftikhar is the guy for 6.
 
It depends on the combination. If PAK decides to go with 5-2-3 combination, then I think Rizwan will bat at 6 (two of Shadab/Faheem/Yasir + Shahin, Naseem & Abbas).

But, if PAK goes with 6-4 combinations, then I think it’ll be the man in form between Iftikhar, Fakhar, Imam & Fawad.
 
The dreadfulness of our batting lineup can be summed up by the fact that we are likely to have Rizwan at 6 with two glorified tail-enders (Shadab & Faheem) at 7 and 8.

Unless Babar has a really big series and scores a ton in all three Tests, we are going to get massacred.
 
Mamoon said:
The dreadfulness of our batting lineup can be summed up by the fact that we are likely to have Rizwan at 6 with two glorified tail-enders (Shadab & Faheem) at 7 and 8.

Unless Babar has a really big series and scores a ton in all three Tests, we are going to get massacred.
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I dont agree that shadab is a tail ender and the series will not all be 1 sided
 
I think Rizwan will bat at 7.

With Yasir at 8 and then the 3 pacers at 9 to 11.

I have a feeling Ifthikar is Misbah's preferred choice at number 6, as he can bowl a few overs and is a decent slip fielder.
 
Fawad Alam must play Its now or never for him
 
Bit of a dilemma for Pak management this one. None of the contenders for this slot doing that well it seems - even Sarfaraz just 5!

Guess Iftikhar looking the best with 31 but even that is a bit low.
 
i really hope they don't play that hack ugliest batsman ever fawad Alam or iftikhar chacha.Rizwan is the best bet.
 
Fawad Alam would probably the No.1 choice for No.6 but I wouldn't be surprised if its either Ifti chacha or Sarfaraz Ahmed. Either way we don't have any decent choices.

Would be better to play Rizwan No.6 and Shadab Khan at No.7.
 
I would play Rizwan at 6, Shadab at 7, and Kashaf Bhaati at 8 . No Yasir in team.
However, it seems it between Iftikhar and Shadab for one all rounder spot for no 7, and unfortunately Yasir will play no matter how badly he performs in practise games.
 
If they gonna play 4 bowlers ( which I wouldn't) I would go imam. I know he just failed in the second innings.

I would be going shadab ( Rizwan at 6) and then faheeem at 8.

It depends on conditions also. If it's not going to spin for a few days, playb shadab as we will need the 4th quick
 
TeymurBlake said:
Fawad Alam would probably the No.1 choice for No.6 but I wouldn't be surprised if its either Ifti chacha or Sarfaraz Ahmed. Either way we don't have any decent choices.

Would be better to play Rizwan No.6 and Shadab Khan at No.7.
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He hasnt done much in the practise matches to say pick me
 
PakPremi said:
I would play Rizwan at 6, Shadab at 7, and Kashaf Bhaati at 8 . No Yasir in team.
However, it seems it between Iftikhar and Shadab for one all rounder spot for no 7, and unfortunately Yasir will play no matter how badly he performs in practise games.
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I like the sound of this. Shadab could be a successful number 7. He had an outstanding PSL but this is of course a very different challenge. Still, the basics are there, he's just untested. If we put Bhaati at 8, that spreads the risk a little bit because between him and Shadab, we should get a few runs. It also gives us 5 bowlers.

Ideally we'd have a fast bowling all rounder to play at the number 7 position but unfortunately we don't have that luxury. Anyone who thinks Faheem is that all rounder is deluding themselves - being very bad at both batting and bowling doesn't make you an all rounder!!
 
Usman said:
I like the sound of this. Shadab could be a successful number 7. He had an outstanding PSL but this is of course a very different challenge. Still, the basics are there, he's just untested. If we put Bhaati at 8, that spreads the risk a little bit because between him and Shadab, we should get a few runs. It also gives us 5 bowlers.

Ideally we'd have a fast bowling all rounder to play at the number 7 position but unfortunately we don't have that luxury. Anyone who thinks Faheem is that all rounder is deluding themselves - being very bad at both batting and bowling doesn't make you an all rounder!!
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Tbh his stats as a bowler is not to bad tbh obvs his batting is below par thou
 
I'm not sure that Shadab is good enough with the bat yet to plat at number 6 in a Test side.
 
Fawad: He is not as good as he was at his peak, but tbh he deserves a chance after having been unjustly ignored for 10+ years. Definitely Fawad over Ifti. Pak cricket team owes him that much. I think Misbah may pick Ifti but I will always be disappointed with this decision.
 
Usman said:
I like the sound of this. Shadab could be a successful number 7. He had an outstanding PSL but this is of course a very different challenge. Still, the basics are there, he's just untested. If we put Bhaati at 8, that spreads the risk a little bit because between him and Shadab, we should get a few runs. It also gives us 5 bowlers.

Ideally we'd have a fast bowling all rounder to play at the number 7 position but unfortunately we don't have that luxury. Anyone who thinks Faheem is that all rounder is deluding themselves - being very bad at both batting and bowling doesn't make you an all rounder!!
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I was right about Asif Ali would never be any good for Pakistan in any format, and I feel the same way for Faheem , he is never good enough to be a useful all round batsman in any format. His bowling is not penetrative enough to win Pak matches. Aamar Yamin should have been brought on this tour at least for experience.
I think both Shadab and Yasir will play, though I would have preferred Bhatti for Yasir.
 
I say just give Fawad a shot. It’s important you back your players and give them chances. It’s not fair that you didn’t give him one game against Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. However, I’ve been left upset that he hasn’t done much in these practice games so slowly losing hope he gets a game.
 
PakPremi said:
I was right about Asif Ali would never be any good for Pakistan in any format, and I feel the same way for Faheem , he is never good enough to be a useful all round batsman in any format. His bowling is not penetrative enough to win Pak matches. Aamar Yamin should have been brought on this tour at least for experience.
I think both Shadab and Yasir will play, though I would have preferred Bhatti for Yasir.
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Shadab getting battered by fakhar at the moment
 
Ideally no 6. Should be Asad shafiq, it has him psychological advantage.

Shadab and fahim aren't test match material unless shadab starts recognizing himself as batting allrounder and starts improving his batting, but as of now he is not ready for test cricket.

Our best chance is by playing either shadab and yasir or iftikhaar and yasir. This is what we have at the moment..
 
Fakhar Zaman. Number 6 in england should be a stroke player who would score fast against an old ball as it is difficult to score anthing in first 30-35 overs. Pakistani top order generally bats so slow that most times they cant take advantage of bowling sides lean phase. So they should look to play a strokemaker at 6.
 
ishtiaq_ctg said:
Fakhar Zaman. Number 6 in england should be a stroke player who would score fast against an old ball as it is difficult to score anthing in first 30-35 overs. Pakistani top order generally bats so slow that most times they cant take advantage of bowling sides lean phase. So they should look to play a strokemaker at 6.
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I wouldnt play fakhar we need someone who can bowl atleast 15 overs babar and abid will try and play some shots
 
I agree with those saying it should be Asad Shafiq.

I've always felt he's at his best in the number 6 spot.
 
Saj said:
I agree with those saying it should be Asad Shafiq.

I've always felt he's at his best in the number 6 spot.
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For me it has to be 5 he needs to take responsibility and get big score batting at 6 he could be batting eith the tail
 
Nobody has taken their chance to gain that last number 6 position.

Fawad got 43, but he needed a big score and Iftikhar only got 7.
 
The Viper said:
Nobody has taken their chance to gain that last number 6 position.

Fawad got 43, but he needed a big score and Iftikhar only got 7.
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Fawad scoring 43 should get him a place in the XI, shouldn't it?
 
MenInG said:
Fawad scoring 43 should get him a place in the XI, shouldn't it?
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No - he was never on top of his game. He was lucky to survive till 43, but just not good enough to negotiate (let alone dominate) bowlers after batting for 2+ hours. At official 35, it's a complete wastage of squad spot - should have been someone at least 12 years younger.
 
MMHS said:
No - he was never on top of his game. He was lucky to survive till 43, but just not good enough to negotiate (let alone dominate) bowlers after batting for 2+ hours. At official 35, it's a complete wastage of squad spot - should have been someone at least 12 years younger.
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Then why is he in the squad? To me that 35 year old bridge has been crossed moment he was selected for the side. Now we must see who is able to hold his own in these conditions and runs are the only real way top judge it.
 
MenInG said:
Then why is he in the squad? To me that 35 year old bridge has been crossed moment he was selected for the side. Now we must see who is able to hold his own in these conditions and runs are the only real way top judge it.
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This one I can't & shouldn't answer.

But I can speculate - may be Fawad was compensated at the cost of PCT's interest for the injustice done to him between the period of 2010 to 2015, when he was in his 20s, was scoring like Vijay Merchant in PAK domestics and when PAK batting wasn't that great (it's not now either). With his technique, I doubt if he can survive one spell of Anderson, Broad or Archer and he doesn't have the age to modify it either - what do you do with a stock that has no present or future value?
 
Iftikhar has been not been included in the 20 man Test squad. This means Fawad or Faheem/Shadab will most likely occupy that last place.
 
Pretty sure Rizwan will be #6 and Shadab #7. Final spot will be between Faheem and Yasir depending on the conditions.
 
mumtaz said:
Pretty sure Rizwan will be #6 and Shadab #7. Final spot will be between Faheem and Yasir depending on the conditions.
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Shadab has been a total flop in the 2 practice games. From getting the phanta from Fakhar to not bowling at all in the second game.

I don't see why they wouldn't just play a specialist batsmen in that case.
 
Surprised that Ifthi not in the 20 man squad. I thought he was a dead cert for the number 6 spot.
 
For the simple reason that that's what the team management has zeroed in on as evidenced by the team selection for the last warm up.

Nothing in this warmup could possibly have changed this default position as in no one really put their hand up to displace any of the first XI.

The only caveat is the conditions. The first XI has a 3-2 attack. If the conditions need a 4th quick, then one of Faheem or Sohail will displace one of the spinners.

Now Faheem has unfortunately shown no form whatsoever with the bat, so it is almost impossible for him to bat #7 and that's why I think Shadab is safe.

It will be between Yasir/Sohail/Faheem for #8 slot but I highly doubt Sohail can make the cut because he's primarily a new ball bowler and Shaheen and Abbas have to take the new ball. Faheem fits the bill of a 4th steamer much better who can keep it tight during the middle overs.
 
Fawad Alam in my view is a dead cert. No way can they hold him back. Think idea is that he will hold the innings together at that position so dont expect fast runs.
 
MenInG said:
Fawad Alam in my view is a dead cert. No way can they hold him back. Think idea is that he will hold the innings together at that position so dont expect fast runs.
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InshAllah he will do well and now will get his just deserve. However, if the need is for a 5th bowler and Kashif/Shadab/Faheem get a go then i won't be upset. Pick the XI in terms of the conditions i say.
 
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
 
Saj said:
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
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This is our problem. Our tail consists of 3 genuine number 11s (Shaheen, Abbas and Naseem) and Faheem is only really a number 8/9 batsman at best (he's currently performing at less than that however). The way Shadab performed in the PSL suggests he could turn out to be a good number 7 but tests match cricket is a very different challenge and he's done nothing (with bat or ball) in the practice games.

Harris would have been an absolute gem if he had come. Not only is he the second best batsman in Pakistan after Barbar, but he's also a decent part time spinner.

As things stand, I agree that our safest bet is to bat Fawad at 6 and Rizwaan at 7 and go with 4 bowlers. Not ideal as it will mean that both Abbas and especially Yasir will turn into stock bowlers who bowl an insane number of overs, just to give Shaheen and Naseem a rest.

Fawad is not bad with the ball and Shan Masood can bowl some military medium if required. But neither will be wicket taking options unless batsmen make monumental mistakes.
 
Saj said:
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
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Rizwan throughout his less than spectacular career has showed that he bats better when he bats higher, but it will be a big risk to have him at 6. But you need 5 bowlers and lack of a proper allrounder is hurting us for last 14 years.
 
Saj said:
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
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MenInG said:
Fawad Alam in my view is a dead cert. No way can they hold him back. Think idea is that he will hold the innings together at that position so dont expect fast runs.
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Rizwan should bat at 5 going by the warm-up games, 6 the lowest. He is the best batsman behind Babar in the team.

Playing him at seven is criminal, you might as well not paly him at all for his batting. He should be out there in the middle for a fair amount of the game to get some good runs and decent partnerships going. At seven he will be doing 30*, most of the time.

Fawad has had around 6 innings on this tour and done nothing. He is not good enough with his current form and technique and I suspect never quite was. And no.7 is not a position he can bat in, he will be even more useless there.

I still think Shadab is the best option we have right now. He is on decent knick, will give an excellent catching option on the slips/gully region and can work as the fifth bowling option.
 
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Saj said:
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
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Rizwan can certainly bat at 6.

I think that Shadab is likely to score more runs than Fawad. I’d be tempted to omit Yasir Shah and do with:

6 Rizwan
7 Shadab
8 Faheem
9 Abbas or Yasir Shah or Sohail Khan
10 Shaheen
11 Naseem

Abbas is accurate but his last few Tests outside Asia suggest that he struggles to get people out.
 
Saj said:
Faheem can't bat at 6. He's simply not good enough.

Shadab at 6 could be a big risk as he is another who's probably not good enough to bat at 6 in a Test team.

Rizwan could be moved up to 6 with Faheem or Shadab at 7, but the tail is already long.

Fawad is probably the safest option.
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In England the safest option is to have 4 pace attack + 1 spin (part-time spinners can chip in)... Why because it is pacers that will get you 20 wickets except a few grounds which will help spinners on the fifth day, otherwise spinners are kinda useless in english conditions... Spinners mostly there to bowl enough overs to give rest time to the fast bowlers and get a few wickets here and there... If pace bowlers have enough rest then they can perform better....Rarely seen spinners taking 10 wicket hauls in English condition...

That is why in this case Amirs return as a fourth seamer would be a deadly attack... If Abbas cant get wickets, practice matches i would even play Sohail khan for his performance i practice matches..

As it stands now. I will play five bowlers and no sixth batsman... If i had to debut Haider Ali i would have played him as the sixth batsman...

6. Rizwan
7. Shadab
8. Sohail Khan or Amir
9. Naseem
10. Shaheen
11. Abbas
 
I think they need to give Shadab an extended run at 6/7. He's shown flashes with the bat already and if he's playing as an all-rounder it puts less pressure on his bowling and gives him room to grow into that role as well. We desperately need a genuine all-rounder, the last one we had for tests was Razzaq and we didn't play him as much as we should have. All-rounders have to be developed, you can't just play them in the odd game and expect growth. I would play him in every game this tour at 7, and really try to get him to focus on his batting.
 
It seems like the team management saw my post in July and selected my team. Ayewallah
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Number 6 would be Shafiq or Rizwan

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I'm surprised they've gone with Shadab at 7 and Rizwan at 6. It certainly puts pressure on the top 5 to perform.
 
Saj said:
I'm surprised they've gone with Shadab at 7 and Rizwan at 6. It certainly puts pressure on the top 5 to perform.
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And with Azhar Ali in the form he is in...could be a LOT of pressure on 6 & 7
 
Saj said:
I'm surprised they've gone with Shadab at 7 and Rizwan at 6. It certainly puts pressure on the top 5 to perform.
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The top 5 have only put 150 on, with Rizwan coming in now. A lot of pressure on him.
 
Rizwan not impressed but then so hasnt the rest of the batting.
 
Azhar has confirmed at the toss that Fawad is into the team at the number 6 position, replacing Shadab. Correct decision?
 
Fawad showed a lot more guts and fight than most in this series, but is now out for 21. Should he keep that #6 position at least until the next series?
 
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