Who would you like to see as the Pakistan Under-19s coach for the next Under-19 World Cup?

[Abdullah719]

The next World Cup is in 2020 and somehow I don't think Mansoor Rana will still be the coach...

Who would you like to see coaching the U19 team?

 

[CricketingMinds]

Misbah or Younis

 

[Boi]

I think who is selector is probably more important. Basit Ali has been chopping and changing squads like no tomorrow. Such a loose cannon.
But yes YK sounds like a good choice.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

As [MENTION=5495]Boi[/MENTION] said, appointing an honest selector is more important. The coach can't do anything if the players are trash.

 

[nextover666666]

Abdul Razzaq would do just fine

 

[Abdullah719]

I think who is selector is probably more important. Basit Ali has been chopping and changing squads like no tomorrow. Such a loose cannon.
But yes YK sounds like a good choice.

As [MENTION=5495]Boi[/MENTION] said, appointing an honest selector is more important. The coach can't do anything if the players are trash.

I think Basit is there for good. See, even this didn't result in his removal:

PCB reinstates Basit Ali as Chairman of national junior selection committee

Karachi: Just two weeks after sacking former Test batsman, Basit Ali as Chairman of the national junior selection committee and head coach of the national women’s team, the Pakistan cricket board (PCB) has again restored him as chief junior selector. On January 2nd, PCB chief Shahryar Khan removed Basit from both his official assignments after he was involved in a brawl with former international batsman, Mahmood Hamid at the national stadium. According to Hamid, Basit had slapped him for criticising him on a television talk show. Shaharyar later said in a press release that Basit had been penalized for misconduct and insisted that the board would never condone or accept any physical altercation from anyone including its employees.

But interestingly just two weeks after that statement the PCB has had a change of heart and Basit is back to head the national junior selection committee, again highlighting the indecisiveness and politics that run deep in Pakistan cricket. Basit, 46, who played 19 Tests and 50 one-day internationals, had also accompanied the Pakistan A team as head coach to England last summer.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ion-committee-update-40&p=9061417#post9061417

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I think Basit is there for good. See, even this didn't result in his removal:

Dil hi ganda hai, shakal badalnay say kuch nahi ho ga.

 

[aloo paratha]

Dean Jones. Not gonna happen but that's who I'd want.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Younis should be the best coach because of his achievements which youngsters will respect and the wealth of experience he possesses. Misbah would be a good candidate i suppose but rather have in an administrative position in the board. Director of cricket of even chairman of pcb would suit him in the future.

 

[moghul]

Misbah or Younis

MIsbah, Oh FGS ? Younis won;t be a bad choice.

 

[todfod 11]

rashidmlatif can do the job

 

[aniket1911]

Will Younis or misbah be ready to coach a team which gets little to no media coverage save for U19 World cup? I genuinely can't foresee Younis taking up the job which does nothing but make him infructuous in cricketing scheme of things(senior) and also attenuate the attention sphere he aspire. Besides, U19 job is not a lucrative job, and nobody even paid much attention to it till dravid took it up.

 

[MMHS]

If it's a local one, may be YK is the best available option, with Kabir Khan as deputy. If it's a foreigner, I found Siddons to be very good batting coach, probably the most critical area of concern. He might be too expensive for U19 team, though BCB had Law and later Damien Wright for U19 team, therefore should be affordable for PCB as well - I'll take an Indian or English proper batting coach (may be as assistant of some star local name like Aqib or Md. Akram)

 

[Justcrazy]

If it's a local one, may be YK is the best available option, with Kabir Khan as deputy. If it's a foreigner, I found Siddons to be very good batting coach, probably the most critical area of concern. He might be too expensive for U19 team, though BCB had Law and later Damien Wright for U19 team, therefore should be affordable for PCB as well - I'll take an Indian or English proper batting coach (may be as assistant of some star local name like Aqib or Md. Akram)

Siddons can also work with senior team.

 

[Hasan123]

YK or Moyo.

 

[little_junior]

Moyo.. saqulian Mustaq... I would like to sèe saleem malik. He deserve a chance it's been long time.he will find one batting super star.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Younis

No Misbah or Yousuf please

 

[SARJ_BD]

Moin Khan. I think he is doing a decent job for Quetta.
Younus Khan not a bad option either.

The main idea shall be someone who has *knowledge* about cricket. Not necessary he has to be a good player as well. Good players often fail in coaching.

 

[GrandMaster]

Shahid Afridi

 

[WengerOut]

Shahid Afridi

He can become player coach

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Ijaz Ahmed did well with the u19 teams previously, he might do good but since yk is available he will be the best option for batting coach and bowling coach should be someone from NCA I think. But yk is very poor on man management skills to be appointed as head coach.

 

[rudra]

An indian coach can groom the young pakistani batsman specially working with them in indian academies.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Rashid Latif.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

John Buchanan.

 

[Justcrazy]

Moyo.. saqulian Mustaq... I would like to sèe saleem malik. He deserve a chance it's been long time.he will find one batting super star.

There is no chance of Malik getting job with PCB.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Younis Khan.

 

[asadee]

Brendon McCullum

 

[Fantasy]

Realistically speaking there is one option for PCB that is almost readymade for the job and that is STEVE RIXON. We know Steve has worked with even national teams in the past and his record isn't that bad. He is too big a name to be involved in Pakistan setup just as a fielding coach. He can take over the U19 head coach job with Mickey as the national team head coach. I don't know whether YK will entertain to work with him but they both can work with U19 and A team and by working with Steve Rixon YK can learn a lot as well.

 

[Plumb]

YK will be perfect but his ego and attitude is something that always worries me. He is someone who is honest and have understanding of the game. As someone above said having a great selector is more important at this point.

I really thought Basit can turn things around but seems like he doesn't have the eye to catch the talent or he is someone who can only talk ..

 

[Syed1]

Build an institution.... what will happen if YK fails or he doesn't want to renew his contract. Who will you bring then?


People think just because India have a great of the game manning the u19 side they became an invinsible side, however, the reality is Indian u19 would have been better than the rest of the world even if someone like Dinesh Mongia was coaching it. Simply because they have a system that finds talent and then gives them an opportunity to refine it.

Pakistanis as usual looking for a quick fix, as if appointing YK or someone else will automatically make Pakistan u19 into a champion side.

First develop a proper cricketing system then even some no-name like Misbah can man it and do a good job.

 

[Plumb]

Ever since I am watching the game I hear these talks of building institutions, grass root level cricket and blah blah and nothing happens and it 'll never happen.

Yes building proper institutions off course 'll provide better cricketers but do you think we have people who see that as a vision? Everyone wants to make quick buck during their 2-3 years of service have it the chairman/selector/coach/regional staff or anyone.

We don't even have proper cricket at the school/college level. PSL is something which seems like a quick fix and I can assure we we 'll never have the grass root level solution. Reason is every now and then we 'll somehow able to get a shadab and hasan and we 'll praise them for next 5-10 years win a tournament or two end of story.

 

[Syed1]

Ever since I am watching the game I hear these talks of building institutions, grass root level cricket and blah blah and nothing happens and it 'll never happen.

Yes building proper institutions off course 'll provide better cricketers but do you think we have people who see that as a vision? Everyone wants to make quick buck during their 2-3 years of service have it the chairman/selector/coach/regional staff or anyone.

We don't even have proper cricket at the school/college level. PSL is something which seems like a quick fix and I can assure we we 'll never have the grass root level solution. Reason is every now and then we 'll somehow able to get a shadab and hasan and we 'll praise them for next 5-10 years win a tournament or two end of story.

Sir India was in the same boat as us not to long ago, heck they still have huge institutional issues due to the massive size of their country, but they only needed a few good men to fix it and since then India has been reaching the semis/finals of all world events with regularity.

It's just that we Pakistanis keep voting for the same corrupt filth who employ even filthier bureaucrats/darbaris like Sethi as heads of these institutions and then the situation on the ground keeps going from bad to worse.

First elect competent people to atleast get the ball rolling, but unfortunately even educated Pakistanis (even on this forum) are in favour of the same rulers because "kuch khatay hain tou lagatay bhi hain"

 

[CricketingMinds]

Build an institution.... what will happen if YK fails or he doesn't want to renew his contract. Who will you bring then?


People think just because India have a great of the game manning the u19 side they became an invinsible side, however, the reality is Indian u19 would have been better than the rest of the world even if someone like Dinesh Mongia was coaching it. Simply because they have a system that finds talent and then gives them an opportunity to refine it.

Pakistanis as usual looking for a quick fix, as if appointing YK or someone else will automatically make Pakistan u19 into a champion side.

First develop a proper cricketing system then even some no-name like Misbah can man it and do a good job.

Finally a sensible post. I fully agree with you

 

[Plumb]

----->Ind fixed their issues because they have few good men, unfortunately we don't even have those few good men if we we do name a few please so that I know them too. Ind always had school college level cricket may be because of corruption proper cricketers were ignored. Ind has the MRF foundation for a very long time how many bowlers they produced? only now we hear about these good young fast bowlers

----> well then we go back to square one which is education problem of the common Pakistani.. We 'll be selecting the same filth because these leaders have kept most of Pakistan away from education, all they gave us is motorway and buses. And next election we 'll select them again.

 

[Abdul]

Misbah.

 

[Saj]

I don't think he would accept it but I'd like to see PCB hire Tom Moody to work with the Pakistan U19 boys. He was superb on commentary during the India U19 versus Pakistan U19 match. He was pinpointing technical issues, basic problems, within minutes of the match.

 

[MMHS]

I don't think he would accept it but I'd like to see PCB hire Tom Moody to work with the Pakistan U19 boys. He was superb on commentary during the India U19 versus Pakistan U19 match. He was pinpointing technical issues, basic problems, within minutes of the match.

I hear BCB is trying for him (for national team); but BCB wants next coach to be dedicated for full time. Both Moody & Gary (Kristen) are IPL booked for this season, and they have other commitments, hence BCB had delayed hiring the head coach. Probably, Kirsten will join as a batting consultant but on assignment basis, while Tom might agree to join BCB, after IPL, provided that he is released during IPL every year or something like that, as there is hardly any international cricket during IPL.

 

[Saj]

I hear BCB is trying for him (for national team); but BCB wants next coach to be dedicated for full time. Both Moody & Gary (Kristen) are IPL booked for this season, and they have other commitments, hence BCB had delayed hiring the head coach. Probably, Kirsten will join as a batting consultant but on assignment basis, while Tom might agree to join BCB, after IPL, provided that he is released during IPL every year or something like that, as there is hardly any international cricket during IPL.

Also I don't think he would work well with PCB as he believes in professionalism and not chaos.

 

[Hasan123]

I hear BCB is trying for him (for national team); but BCB wants next coach to be dedicated for full time. Both Moody & Gary (Kristen) are IPL booked for this season, and they have other commitments, hence BCB had delayed hiring the head coach. Probably, Kirsten will join as a batting consultant but on assignment basis, while Tom might agree to join BCB, after IPL, provided that he is released during IPL every year or something like that, as there is hardly any international cricket during IPL.

From 2019 there's no international cricket during the IPL.

 

[MMHS]

From 2019 there's no international cricket during the IPL.

That's subjective - ICC or BCCI can't stop PAK playing 10-12 ODI against BD or even ENG - may be BCB or ECB will have to release their IPL players for that period, which is still ok. In International friendlies, often teams don't call every players.

 

[MMHS]

Also I don't think he would work well with PCB as he believes in professionalism and not chaos.

Could be too much expensive as well - Hathura was paid almost $400K/years as base wage, and Moody should charge much more.

 

[Hasan123]

That's subjective - ICC or BCCI can't stop PAK playing 10-12 ODI against BD or even ENG - may be BCB or ECB will have to release their IPL players for that period, which is still ok. In International friendlies, often teams don't call every players.

No it's agreed .Even if you think it's subjective one day it will be in place .

 

[MMHS]

No it's agreed .Even if you think it's subjective one day it will be in place .

My point is, IPL isn't going to stop everyone playing cricket. Now it's bothering PAK cricket because PAK players are not playing in IPL - if it was open for PAK players, PCB would have been first board before ICC to stop International schedule during IPL and cut a pie from players share. If you don't like my comment, please do ignore - but I have signed PAK players for club cricket for tokens like $500-$1000, and they had to cut some pie .... IPL pays in millions.

Coming to the international schedule, you have to find a way to manage with best 10-12 weeks of cricket season being locked out. There will be countries for whom 1/2, may be 3 players will play IPL - do you think rest players are going to seat out for that? ICC or BCCI can't block bilaterals between 2 boards, and IPL won't bother if their players are released for IPL. In fact, if not released, they won't bother even then - simply tell their player (s) to become free lancer. In an universe with incompetence and corruption, one country runs the entire economy (of cricket) like God, then you can't blame them.

There can be bilaterals during IPL, and domestic tournaments as well - if one can arrange that.

 

[Hasan123]

My point is, IPL isn't going to stop everyone playing cricket. Now it's bothering PAK cricket because PAK players are not playing in IPL - if it was open for PAK players, PCB would have been first board before ICC to stop International schedule during IPL and cut a pie from players share. If you don't like my comment, please do ignore - but I have signed PAK players for club cricket for tokens like $500-$1000, and they had to cut some pie .... IPL pays in millions.

Coming to the international schedule, you have to find a way to manage with best 10-12 weeks of cricket season being locked out. There will be countries for whom 1/2, may be 3 players will play IPL - do you think rest players are going to seat out for that? ICC or BCCI can't block bilaterals between 2 boards, and IPL won't bother if their players are released for IPL. In fact, if not released, they won't bother even then - simply tell their player (s) to become free lancer. In an universe with incompetence and corruption, one country runs the entire economy (of cricket) like God, then you can't blame them.

There can be bilaterals during IPL, and domestic tournaments as well - if one can arrange that.

IPL offers vast sums of money which most countries can't offer there players . Players have already retired early from cricket to play in T20 leagues. So why would boards risk scheduling international games to lose players?

I don't want it to happen but it will. Maybe Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,and Pakistan may have fixtures during this period but Australia,South Africa,and England will leave there schedules free for the majority of the IPL to allow there players to take part.

 

[Hasan123]

My point is, IPL isn't going to stop everyone playing cricket. Now it's bothering PAK cricket because PAK players are not playing in IPL - if it was open for PAK players, PCB would have been first board before ICC to stop International schedule during IPL and cut a pie from players share. If you don't like my comment, please do ignore - but I have signed PAK players for club cricket for tokens like $500-$1000, and they had to cut some pie .... IPL pays in millions.

Coming to the international schedule, you have to find a way to manage with best 10-12 weeks of cricket season being locked out. There will be countries for whom 1/2, may be 3 players will play IPL - do you think rest players are going to seat out for that? ICC or BCCI can't block bilaterals between 2 boards, and IPL won't bother if their players are released for IPL. In fact, if not released, they won't bother even then - simply tell their player (s) to become free lancer. In an universe with incompetence and corruption, one country runs the entire economy (of cricket) like God, then you can't blame them.

There can be bilaterals during IPL, and domestic tournaments as well - if one can arrange that.

Also Pakistan doesn't have any players in IPL. Sri Lanka and Bangldesh may have some fixtures during IPL season but it's no loss because hardly any players from these nations have players in the IPL.

You won't see Australia and South Africa organize any fixtures during IPL season. England have test right at the end of the IPL. Missing 1 or 2 games after playing the full season is no problem for English players as they would have earned there bucks.

 

[Saj]

Could be too much expensive as well - Hathura was paid almost $400K/years as base wage, and Moody should charge much more.

You have to pay for the best.

If PCB want to pay peanuts they will get monkeys.

 

[MMHS]

Also Pakistan doesn't have any players in IPL. Sri Lanka and Bangldesh may have some fixtures during IPL season but it's no loss because hardly any players from these nations have players in the IPL.

You won't see Australia and South Africa organize any fixtures during IPL season. England have test right at the end of the IPL. Missing 1 or 2 games after playing the full season is no problem for English players as they would have earned there bucks.

For PAK, I think even without IPL, there won't be much cricket against ENG/AUS/SAF ...... If you could check right now, I am sure CSAF is a bit skeptic with the 3 Test, 5 ODI series in next summer ....... For PAK, I think playing game is most important now - be it against URL, AFG, BD or AUS/IND/SAF.

 

[Hasan123]

For PAK, I think even without IPL, there won't be much cricket against ENG/AUS/SAF ...... If you could check right now, I am sure CSAF is a bit skeptic with the 3 Test, 5 ODI series in next summer ....... For PAK, I think playing game is most important now - be it against URL, AFG, BD or AUS/IND/SAF.

I wouldn't mind playing Bangladesh home or away due to our lack of cricket.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan need to hire someone like John Wright or Duncan Fletcher.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Didn't Go Inside Pakistan Dressing Room: Rahul Dravid Corrects Reporter

Dravid:

""I did not go into their dressing room. They had a talented left-arm fast bowler and I thought, he bowled really well in the tournament. So, I just congratulated him. I met him outside their dressing room and said, well done in the tournament. It's nice. As a coach, it is exciting to see a good talent,".

 

[Slog]

Didn't Go Inside Pakistan Dressing Room: Rahul Dravid Corrects Reporter

Dravid:

""I did not go into their dressing room. They had a talented left-arm fast bowler and I thought, he bowled really well in the tournament. So, I just congratulated him. I met him outside their dressing room and said, well done in the tournament. It's nice. As a coach, it is exciting to see a good talent,".

even if he did why is that an issue

why would any one have a problem with one of the greats of the game saying a few nice words to teenagers. It would mean the world to them

 

[Slog]

Rashid Latif

I think he is most clued up from ex-cricketers as far as knowledge of local cricketers is concerned. Most importantly he comes across as really committed and wanting to make a difference. Finally, his work ethic is second to none.

He can be a bit biased towards Karachi so you need checks and balances in terms of selections but even with that his overall contribution would be worth it

 

[iniqbal223]

Not sure about the coach, but definitely Misbah for dual role of Manager and Selector. Reasons:

1) He will be more transparent in selection matters
2) Being a hard worker and more honest than others, at least he will go and watch young players, and has some credibility to select them on merit
3) Normally, with his integrity, young players at their early phase of career will learn to become hard working individuals for years to come, not moaners like Akmals. I think, in past few years, Azhar and Shafiq become mirror image of Misbah (limited capability but hard workers, good team players, give 100%, and controversy free; both have played more important and sensible innings than many other over hyped players). On the other hand, Umar animal , and Ahmed Shehzad became mirror image of Afirdi (once in a blue moon performance in year, moaners, media connections, political backing, indisciplined, and what not)
4) How to keep their feet on ground when young players come into limelight is also important for our young cricketers to learn
5) To become better communicator: How to avoid controversies. Back each other strengths and work on weaknesses will also help young players to become better team players who can look after themselves. And know what to do at what moment.
6) Team work and work ethics
7) And most importantly, how to become non-critic of others. There is no point criticizing fellow players, and make a scene out of it. Which our most players are known for.

Misbah can inculcate these good values in young players so that they can become good sportsman.

Strategy wise , Misbah was not great, thats why in my opinion he is best suited for manager+selector role.

I would have gone for Younis as coach, but not sure with his moody nature whether he could be a right choice. Instead, I will overload Mickey Arthur and co. to take in-charge of U19 team as well. They always complain about selector not giving them young players when they demand. Now he will get the players at his disposal to give results. Its beneficial for coaching staff to hard train young players instead of making the likes of Hafeez's , Malik's etc. to work on fitness and skills.

Inzamam as a chief selector was redundant. Except for few forced changes, did not do any good for Pakistan team for the high salary he draws.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think fans are focussing too much on the coach and not on the players themselves. You can have dravid as a coach but if the players are not willing to improve or listen nothing will happen.

 

[JattMaula]

I think fans are focussing too much on the coach and not on the players themselves. You can have dravid as a coach but if the players are not willing to improve or listen nothing will happen.

This.

Now that PCB is flush with cash, they need to pour some in overall support system, not just the national coach. Academy, grounds, age group tournaments and of course players themselves.

 

[Faisalsq092]

Will Younis or misbah be ready to coach a team which gets little to no media coverage save for U19 World cup? I genuinely can't foresee Younis taking up the job which does nothing but make him infructuous in cricketing scheme of things(senior) and also attenuate the attention sphere he aspire. Besides, U19 job is not a lucrative job, and nobody even paid much attention to it till dravid took it up.

Well contrary to your belief, Younis did say during his retirement that PCB should use me and Misbah at grass roots rather than for the senior team. He said make Younis Khan the U19 coach so that he can prepare better players and give finished product to the senior team.

So the onus is on PCB to approach Younis as U19 coach and Misbah as the Director of cricket. That will do wonders for us.