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I always wonder why the Indians with far bigger population, resources and reserves always use Pakistan as a benchmark in their comparisons avoiding China?

China should be the benchmark for India after all India is a 'supa power'

Why our perosis are so obsessed with Pakistan?
 
Coz they are nowhere near china.
They just want to please their ego hence they compare themselves with pak. If they compare their country with China their ego will be damaged.
 
Coz India is nothing against China and they also know how China owned them in 1965 war. A third world country like India will only compare themselves to one like them. Difference is that Pak does not claim to be a great country like India does.
 
I always compare India to countries like Ethiopia, Sudan and other sub saharan African countries. Only difference is that India has even more people people then they all do combined. India is not fit enough to sit on the same table as China.
 
I also wonder the same, Indians on this forum love to boast about their tech ceos and their cheap labor IT industries but that pales in comparison to what China is doing in tech.
 
I’ve never understood how a country with 3 times the population of Pakistan in extreme poverty boasts about having a better economy .
 
Because of the shared history, the bloody past, the cultural and social similarities. In terms of size it is similar to China, but that is where the comparison ends. The two countries have nothing else in common.

India have done very well for themselves, and they have every right to mock us. Our country is in the dumps because of our own incompetence.
 
Mamoon said:
Because of the shared history, the bloody past, the cultural and social similarities. In terms of size it is similar to China, but that is where the comparison ends. The two countries have nothing else in common.

India have done very well for themselves, and they have every right to mock us. Our country is in the dumps because of our own incompetence.
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Then why not compare/mock with England if you are going to use shared history and a bloody past?
 
KingKhanWC said:
I’ve never understood how a country with 3 times the population of Pakistan in extreme poverty boasts about having a better economy .
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Indeed, and the economy is also under scrutiny given the number unemployed, and the IMF questioning GDP figures. Even if you grant their economy as factual, the GDP per capita is a mere few $100s more compared to Pakistan. This is all they have to show for it.

One of the reasons why India loves to compare to Pakistan is because it makes them feel superior. Well no need to feel, they are superior when it comes many social factors such as poverty, illiteracy, religious violence, misogyny, religious extremism, discrimination etc. I mean if it India is so great, why are Indians trying to flock in their droves to other countries? Bechara even Modi begged May to remove the immigration limit for Indian immigrants.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Then why not compare/mock with England if you are going to use shared history and a bloody past?
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You can only mock someone of lower status obviously. Mamoon is right, India has every right to mock Pakistan, and we Brits have just as much right to mock Indians. Always happy to oblige.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You can only mock someone of lower status obviously. Mamoon is right, India has every right to mock Pakistan, and we Brits have just as much right to mock Indians. Always happy to oblige.
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I am not sure a country with massive massive poverty such as India has a right to mock anyone.

Share of population living under $5.5 a day
India 86.8%
Bangladesh 84.5%
Pakistan 79.5%
(World Bank)
 
Mamoon said:
Because of the shared history, the bloody past, the cultural and social similarities. In terms of size it is similar to China, but that is where the comparison ends. The two countries have nothing else in common.

India have done very well for themselves, and they have every right to mock us. Our country is in the dumps because of our own incompetence.
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But we don't call ourselves a future superpower or rubbish like that. India is no example to anyone seeing what goes on there.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Then why not compare/mock with England if you are going to use shared history and a bloody past?
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England were the colonial masters, plus their are no cultural and social similarities. Pakistan and India started on equal footing, but India are now far ahead.

Pakistan has paid a big price for letting the military run the western half while losing the eastern half.
 
PakLFC said:
But we don't call ourselves a future superpower or rubbish like that. India is no example to anyone seeing what goes on there.
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They can call themselves what they want, the fact is that they are far ahead of us and we should hang our heads in shame.
 
Mamoon said:
England were the colonial masters, plus their are no cultural and social similarities. Pakistan and India started on equal footing, but India are now far ahead.

Pakistan has paid a big price for letting the military run the western half while losing the eastern half.
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India were given a lot more resources so they did not start on equal footing.
 
I won't ever believe that India is going anywhere while the country looks like a trash can. This is the real difference between east Asian countries and south. Probably one of the reasons why India compares themselves to Pakistan instead.
 
Mamoon said:
They can call themselves what they want, the fact is that they are far ahead of us and we should hang our heads in shame.
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In that case I will call Pak a superpower as well. India is a dump for goodness sake. It''s a disgrace as a country!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Not even a single joshila came here to answer this question? :inti
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Selective answers from Bhakths, Hindutva and wrist slitter Pakistani make them feel and self appear is another way to stoke their ego that they have built themselves.

On topic, simple, years of brain washing, boogeyman by current radicalized extremists rulling Party have made majority of gullible Indian stupid and made to believe that they only have to compete against Muslim of India and Pakistan.
 
Mouse can not compare itself with Mr. Anaconda, it will only look out for other mouses. Then the farm mouse and sewer mouse will argue who is doing better.
 
szrana said:
Share of population living under $5.5 a day
India 86.8%
Bangladesh 84.5%
Pakistan 79.5%
(World Bank)

https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1091060319890345984
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Percentages are only meaningful when nations have similar populations.

If you have over 1.2 billion people, you have a bigger responsibility. When you have 5 or 6 hundred million in extreme poverty, it's very disrespectful to them boasting about the economy, they can't eat electorinc figures.
 
Mamoon said:
England were the colonial masters, plus their are no cultural and social similarities. Pakistan and India started on equal footing, but India are now far ahead.

Pakistan has paid a big price for letting the military run the western half while losing the eastern half.
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equal footing?
are you serious?
at 1947
India always had a head start, It , Universities, Manufactories, a Navy etc. All the industrial development by the British was mainly done in India. with economic hubs such as Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi,Madras etc

Karachi was just a bit better than a fishing village in 1947.


India at the beginning was much mach larger than pakistan in land, in economy and in population.

Pakistan was bankrupt at the very beginning. Everything was then built form scratch.


India was even geographically continuous, Pakistan consisted of two isolated fragments, thousands of miles away, with no effective links to bind the two regions together, barring religion, which lasted a few decades.

You are either an imbecile or you DELIBRATELY lie when you say that Pakistan and India started on an equal footing.
 
Mamoon said:
They can call themselves what they want, the fact is that they are far ahead of us and we should hang our heads in shame.
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Please do not ever use the words 'we' or 'us', you speak as much for Pakistan as an amazonian tribal leader. Your views are treasonous and I'm being kind due to forum rules.

India has hundreds of millions in poverty, I doubt they feel ahead of anyone.
 
So instead of Indians it's once again Mamoon defending their narrative and bashing Pakistan while doing it but it's nothing new so not a surprise :))
 
Mamoon said:
England were the colonial masters, plus their are no cultural and social similarities. Pakistan and India started on equal footing, but India are now far ahead.

Pakistan has paid a big price for letting the military run the western half while losing the eastern half.
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India's is ahead of Pakistan, but in terms on one aspect only, money - that too foreign money and not by their own efforts. Whether it is investment in India's cricketing structure, to sending a tin can into space, all down to money, nothing else. Boasting about sending a satellite towards Mars does not benefit India's nation one iota, other than bragging rights and a sense of superiority. This is progression is it?

India in terms of culture has regressed, in terms of society has regressed, in terms of mentality has regressed, in terms of government has regressed, in terms of justices has regressed, in terms of secularism has regressed, in terms of equality has regressed. It will get worse as the gap between rich and poor will continue to expand and given the inferiority/superiority/victim mentality in India, things will only get worse. India's problems are bigger and deeper ans sugar coating them with money will not change anything.

In other words, India's progression is a materialistic one, which no doubt has changed the international image of India, but doesn't change the reality of what India is, and if this is what you use to determine the development of a nation, then feel free to migrate to India - after all you hate being a Pakistani anyway.

Though I do agree Pakistan paid a big price supporting the USA, but never again.
 
This thread begs another question, why are people of sub continent / south asia so far behind in terms of development when compared to the northern asian countries? Korea was practically like Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s, Japan nuked to oblivian, China was also devasted by war and famine but they all changed it around within 50 years and we are all still languishing in poverty. Why do we see Korean made phones, cars and laptops all over the world but nothing from any of the south asian countries?
 
sjahmed23 said:
This thread begs another question, why are people of sub continent / south asia so far behind in terms of development when compared to the northern asian countries? Korea was practically like Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s, Japan nuked to oblivian, China was also devasted by war and famine but they all changed it around within 50 years and we are all still languishing in poverty. Why do we see Korean made phones, cars and laptops all over the world but nothing from any of the south asian countries?
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Korea and Japan haven't had war in 60+ years, their economies were bankrolled by America, they already had a very educated population, Japan was already a developed country and a world power before the world war, also 3 of these countries aren't very religious and very homogeneous ethnically.
 
It gives them a false sense of superiority. In reality most travel vloggers who have gone to both countries rate Pakistan higher than India in terms of cleanliness, infrastructure and overall wellbeing of the people.
 
Pakistan is the only country that’s stopping Indian hegemony in south east Asia. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal have all become too dependent on India.
 
Mian said:
I always wonder why the Indians with far bigger population, resources and reserves always use Pakistan as a benchmark in their comparisons avoiding China?

China should be the benchmark for India after all India is a 'supa power'

Why our perosis are so obsessed with Pakistan?
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Kew k despite all the hatred woh humaray bhai hain. So its natural for them to compare with the ones of their own kind.
 
India vs China is the apt comparison, certainly on key economics. India vs Pakistan appeals to folk in India with delusions of grandeur and in Pakistan with equal delusions of inferiority
 
Most of the people around me are hardly into these silly comparisons and I am grateful. People should stop these childish games, instead focus on improving their lives and making a difference to their immediate surroundings and society/community. Keyboard warriors (urban, privileged background with loads of time to waste) may revel in these online battles but for majority people all this makes no difference, an average Indian or Pakistani has 1000 other more pressing matters to worry about. Keyboard warriors have inflated opinions about themselves, all their online oneupmanship will not result in any change on the ground.
 
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Syed1 said:
Don't speak for everyone.... Woh apkay bhai hongaye
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Ok this goes a bit off topic but just to make the point.

Buddy there are a few facts to it:
- Genetic studies have shown the Indian muslims (which is what us Pakistanis stem from) are mainly of indigenous origin with small foreign ancestors. Here is a good read:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1310016

- Even in physical appearance we look most similar to North Indians. Which is why we are always lumped together by Other ethnicities.

- And the list goes on with Language, Food, Culture, temperament, tradition etc etc. The closest to us are the Indians.

This debate can go on for long, so i will try to conclude. Just by having more Middle eastern Sir names don't make us Pakistanies Middle Eastern. So its better we accept who we are and not ashamed/apologetic for it. Hope you get my drift (btw: i too am from a syed family but that doesnt make me ashamed of my indian ancestors. Iyswim)
 
Knight_Rider said:
Ok this goes a bit off topic but just to make the point.

Buddy there are a few facts to it:
- Genetic studies have shown the Indian muslims (which is what us Pakistanis stem from) are mainly of indigenous origin with small foreign ancestors. Here is a good read:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1310016

- Even in physical appearance we look most similar to North Indians. Which is why we are always lumped together by Other ethnicities.

- And the list goes on with Language, Food, Culture, temperament, tradition etc etc. The closest to us are the Indians.

This debate can go on for long, so i will try to conclude. Just by having more Middle eastern Sir names don't make us Pakistanies Middle Eastern. So its better we accept who we are and not ashamed/apologetic for it. Hope you get my drift (btw: i too am from a syed family but that doesnt make me ashamed of my indian ancestors. Iyswim)
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Kashmiris and North Indians look nothing alike, I'm identified as Kashmiri instantly any where in India. I'd assume the case would be same for most Pakistanis
 
Well yes they do. Ethnic Kashmiris have the same phenotype as many others in Northern part of the subcontinent (incl. Kashmiri hindus and Punjabis).
 
As for the rest of Pakistanis 80% of us share the same ethnicity across the border (Punjabis, Siraikis, Sindhis, Muhajirs and also Kashmiris/Potowaris)
 
Mian said:
I always wonder why the Indians with far bigger population, resources and reserves always use Pakistan as a benchmark in their comparisons avoiding China?

China should be the benchmark for India after all India is a 'supa power'

Why our perosis are so obsessed with Pakistan?
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It should be obvious that an Indian posting to a Pakistani forum is interested in India and Pakistan.

An Indian posting to a Chinese forum will more likely post and China and India.

For me personally, I would like Pakistan to stop supporting those who kill Indian troops in Kashmir, and more generally all killings in Kashmir (troops and civilians) to stop. I compare India and Pakistan to show that Pakistan has much to gain (development of modern industries) by following a different path (which includes the Pakistani Army giving up the domination of the civilian government).

China has not actively been supporting secessionists in India who kill Indian troops (at least not in significant numbers). It is also doing much better than India economically. It would be rather idiotic of me if I went to a Chinese forum and said "Your Communist Party needs to give power to a democratic government so that you can do as well economically as India."

China has been doing better than India economically for various reasons. A couple of them are:

1) It is a dictatorship. Unlike India investors do not have problems with land acquisitions and labor rights, so they choose to invest there instead of India. The Chinese Communist Party has done a good job of protecting investors.

2) China is much more homogenous compared to India which is fragmented on the basis of language and community. This makes politics messy and harder for people to work together towards a common goal.

I have said all I want to on this topic, peace :)
 
Good question.
Indians don’t really compare India with Pakistan like you think. There are trolls on the internet who do that to feel superior or to win arguments. In the real world nobody compares the situation here with that of Pakistan and tries to feel good about it. Pakistan’s economy is very rarely discussed and has never been seen as a benchmark. Actually the term benchmark doesn’t make sense here because a benchmark has to be superior or considerably good, but I get your point.

Now coming to China, people are aware of the technological advancements and superior infrastructure in China. We know that theirs is a superior economy and military. But one issue people generally have with China is that it’s not a democracy. It’s not a development model people of a free country would want to look up to. They don’t even allow people to report the Air Quality Index in their cities! So you won’t hear anyone except a few silly communists saying that we want to follow the Chinese model. Another reason is the lack of interactions between people of the two countries. There are trade links but little interaction between the people of the two countries, particularly over the Internet. And at the Govt level none of the economists suggest the Chinese model because of the impracticality in its implementation in a democracy and the bubble like nature of it (problems of which China is facing right now).

Indians more often compare their country with other developed countries like USA or UK or UAE (which they visit often) and complain about the infrastructure limitations in the tier 2 cities and tier 3 cities (towns) here. What they don’t understand though is that we’re still taking care of some of the elementary infrastructure needs, which is of a greater priority and will take time because of the huge population of India. As far as infra standards go, even Malaysia and Singapore are far ahead. This is something we’re well aware of and is very often discussed by everyone. This is also the reason why development oriented politics has gained serious traction in India. The young generation demands development over hollow welfare schemes.
 
If a non indian mentions a non developed area i have seen Indians get very embrassed as they want to project a certain image and some do try and compete with but fail
 
Napa said:
It should be obvious that an Indian posting to a Pakistani forum is interested in India and Pakistan.

An Indian posting to a Chinese forum will more likely post and China and India.

For me personally, I would like Pakistan to stop supporting those who kill Indian troops in Kashmir, and more generally all killings in Kashmir (troops and civilians) to stop. I compare India and Pakistan to show that Pakistan has much to gain (development of modern industries) by following a different path (which includes the Pakistani Army giving up the domination of the civilian government).

China has not actively been supporting secessionists in India who kill Indian troops (at least not in significant numbers). It is also doing much better than India economically. It would be rather idiotic of me if I went to a Chinese forum and said "Your Communist Party needs to give power to a democratic government so that you can do as well economically as India."

China has been doing better than India economically for various reasons. A couple of them are:

1) It is a dictatorship. Unlike India investors do not have problems with land acquisitions and labor rights, so they choose to invest there instead of India. The Chinese Communist Party has done a good job of protecting investors.

2) China is much more homogenous compared to India which is fragmented on the basis of language and community. This makes politics messy and harder for people to work together towards a common goal.

I have said all I want to on this topic, peace :)
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The same old lame argument. How about withdrawing a million armymen from a region and coming to table for peace talk? You wouldn't do that because you very well know how it would turn out if you took the peaceful route, hence you terrorize and assassinate civilians in Kashmir. Million armymen monitoring is not a free region and spare us the "terrorism" drama, it's absolute dumb.
 
Mamoon said:
Because of the shared history, the bloody past, the cultural and social similarities. In terms of size it is similar to China, but that is where the comparison ends. The two countries have nothing else in common.

India have done very well for themselves, and they have every right to mock us. Our country is in the dumps because of our own incompetence.
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700 million not having access to toilet is not something you could categorize anywhere close to "very well for themselves". Not stating this to mock Indians but just stating a fact. It's a country with population crisis, massive poverty, corruption, and dirt. Maybe thinking logically before going on your regular Pakistan whining would help.
 
Kriketer said:
700 million not having access to toilet is not something you could categorize anywhere close to "very well for themselves". Not stating this to mock Indians but just stating a fact. It's a country with population crisis, massive poverty, corruption, and dirt. Maybe thinking logically before going on your regular Pakistan whining would help.
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Logic doesn't apply to him. He needs to take out his frustration after his corrupt leader has been arrested yesterday, hence talking rubbish as usual. Long may it continue.
 
Because Pakistanis look like them, speak like them, eat like them, and dress up like them for the most part. What similarities can they find with China?

Americans compare themselves with the Britishers and not with Mexicans because those cultures are completely different.

The wannabe Arab Pakistanis should understand that at some point in time, their ancestors were also Hindus. They probably looked and talked like Modi.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Because Pakistanis look like them, speak like them, eat like them, and dress up like them for the most part. What similarities can they find with China?

Americans compare themselves with the Britishers and not with Mexicans because those cultures are completely different.

The wannabe Arab Pakistanis should understand that at some point in time, their ancestors were also Hindus. They probably looked and talked like Modi.
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Cultural comparison has nothing to do with economic realities.
 
One reason could be that the folks that have ruled india for the last five years habitually lie about the GDP growth rate.
apparently its 4.5% vs the 7% claim. Maybe they are right compare themselves to Pakistan which is going to close the year at 3.3% to 3.6%
 
Mamoon said:
Because of the shared history, the bloody past, the cultural and social similarities. In terms of size it is similar to China, but that is where the comparison ends. The two countries have nothing else in common.

India have done very well for themselves, and they have every right to mock us. Our country is in the dumps because of our own incompetence.
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Lol, even indian cant defend themselves as you defend them. If shared history or bloody past types of rubbish things works then Pakistanis will compare themselves with Bangladesh. The only thing is, they as nation suffer from inferiority complex so just to cool down their egos they compare themselves with us.
 
Here is another interesting point. I ve been to countries (e.g Malaysia and Indonesia) where the same ethnic group has followers of multiple religions. Infact in some families the siblings have different religions bur they get along well with eachother. I couldn’t observe much hate or resentments based on religions lines.

So now the question is if most Pakistanis and Indians share the same bloodline, why cant Indians get over the religions identity of their Muslim brethrens?
Why such a deep rooted hatred of Islam and Ghar Wapsi campaigns etc?
Dont hard core Hindus realise that those across the border are same people?


Leaving the Kashmir issue aside, I haven’t noticed same level of hatred of India/Hindus amongst Pakistanis. Most of the time Pakistanis are reacting to Indian nastiness.
 
Want to admit it gives me so much pleasure watching supa dupa power indian's obsession with Pakistan and the way they use Pakistan as a benchmark instead of china :)))
 
Sorry to say but looking at most indiasn posts in recent threads, social media and their media it's pretty clear even that even in 2019 when 56 inch is their PM for the second time still they can't grow a pair to compare themselves to China so Pakistan is the benchmark for them. Well done Pakistan you did a great job!
 
Mian said:
Want to admit it gives me so much pleasure watching supa dupa power indian's obsession with Pakistan and the way they use Pakistan as a benchmark instead of china :)))
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We will never compare ourselves with China because we know we will get a phainty in every sector. :inti
 
I hope India will finally set the bar high and make more comparisons with China instead of Pakistan a country 7 times smaller after the recent standoff :yk
 
The irony is, as soon as Imran Khan was elected as PM, he started to "emulate" the Chinese miracle of getting its hundred of millions of population out of extreme poverty.

If I recall correctly, in his very first nation address, Imran Khan said that they had a talk with the Chinese government officials about future economic development models.

India should definitely aim to improve her people's lives the way Chinese did in past few decades. Instead, Indian poor farmers are committing mass suicides and government's only focus seems to be how to further oppress Indian Occupied Kashmir and start a war with Pakistan :facepalm:

Pakistan should stay away from shams like American war on terror (Afghanistan) and other resource wasting ventures. We should only focus on our people's growth.
 
Whenever I would get poor marks, I would compare myself with the guy who flunked. It makes you feel you are better than at least some one. No matter how much my fellow Indians like to boast, India is still a poor country, with miserable conditions for most of its population. Comparing with Pakistan which is near bankruptcy makes sense. On a similar note you could compare with Saudi, Pakistan again, etc. in terms of freedom of speech etc. coz India is doing poorly in that area too, especially post 2014.

You don't want to compare yourself with the Sharma ji ka ladka, i.e., the class topper.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Because Pakistanis look like them, speak like them, eat like them, and dress up like them for the most part. What similarities can they find with China?

Americans compare themselves with the Britishers and not with Mexicans because those cultures are completely different.

The wannabe Arab Pakistanis should understand that at some point in time, their ancestors were also Hindus. They probably looked and talked like Modi.
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Cultural similarity will result in certain comparisons.

But don't see Americans comparing themselves with UK on economy and patting their backs.

Instead they are wary of China.

Earlier they were wary of Soviet Union.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Whenever I would get poor marks, I would compare myself with the guy who flunked. It makes you feel you are better than at least some one. No matter how much my fellow Indians like to boast, India is still a poor country, with miserable conditions for most of its population. Comparing with Pakistan which is near bankruptcy makes sense. On a similar note you could compare with Saudi, Pakistan again, etc. in terms of freedom of speech etc. coz India is doing poorly in that area too, especially post 2014.

You don't want to compare yourself with the Sharma ji ka ladka, i.e., the class topper.
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lmao yes.

Comparing with China will result in severe self introspection which our people don't have the stomach to do.

Instead its more fun to hail our achievements and lecture Pakistanis in a patronizing way. :D
 
India has a historical chemistry with Pakistan but they have no such thing with China. It is probably why Indians don't show interest in China.
 
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Blind Nationalism in the media has fostered an unhealthy obsession with Pakistan.

India's location and population directly competed with China. Yet their stuck in it's shadow
 
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