Why are Muslim women not allowed to marry non-Muslims?

[Black Zero]

Why are ex Muslims so active on these threads when have already said adios to the religion........

Cause they are stake holders.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Cause they are stake holders.

Clearly you failed to understand the meaning of ex muslim..... seriously!

 

[miandadrules]

Clearly you failed to understand the meaning of ex muslim..... seriously!

Do you believe non-Muslims and ex-Muslims should refrain from supporting the cause of Palestinians, Rohingas, Chechens and Kashmiris?

 

[Yossarian]

So you're suggesting the state wouldn't allow it to happen?

Eh? Is this a habit of yours of making up and falsely attributing comments/suggestions to other posters?

 

[miandadrules]

Eh? Is this a habit of yours of making up and falsely attributing comments/suggestions to other posters?

Not at all.

You said if anyone threatened you for your beliefs the state would protect you. Which I agree with. Unless I have misinterpreted your view.

I was trying to illustrate the very same point to KKWC.

What have I falsely attributed to you?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Do you believe non-Muslims and ex-Muslims should refrain from supporting the cause of Palestinians, Rohingas, Chechens and Kashmiris?

Let's leave people born non Muslim aside, they are not who we talking about here.

Who the ex Muslims support in humanitarian causes is up to them. If they cannot delink religion from humanitarian causes then perhaps it is.

The observation was, why are ex Muslims so consumed by the hate especially the ones in the west... and not able to move on.

 

[miandadrules]

Let's leave people born non Muslim aside, they are not who we talking about here.

Who the ex Muslims support in humanitarian causes is up to them. If they cannot delink religion from humanitarian causes then perhaps it is.

The observation was, why are ex Muslims so consumed by the hate especially the ones in the west... and not able to move on.

Define what you term as "hate".

The question I asked was in relation to this thread, as just because I am not a Muslim doesn't mean I will ignore the ideology if it being used to persecute, discriminate or subjugate others.

 

[Yossarian]

Not at all.

You said if anyone threatened you for your beliefs the state would protect you. Which I agree with. Unless I have misinterpreted your view.

I was trying to illustrate the very same point to KKWC.

What have I falsely attributed to you?

You are adding 2 plus 2 to make 5. The state "protecting me" has different connotations to the state "prosecuting those accused of making threats to harm me". It's a subtle but important difference.

 

[miandadrules]

You are adding 2 plus 2 to make 5. The state "protecting me" has different connotations to the state "prosecuting those accused of making threats to harm me". It's a subtle but important difference.

True.

But the point I was trying to make is that there are very real repercussions for those that would attempt such actions, which act as deterrent.

 

[Musakhel]

Frankly the whole notion that men and women should be equal is absurd and destined to destroy any nation which will peddle such a useless experiment for a long enough period.

 

[Yossarian]

True.

But the point I was trying to make is that there are very real repercussions for those that would attempt such actions, which act as deterrent.

The law is unlikely to act as a deterrent for the types that might make such threats, either because they'd be too thick to realise the potential legal repercussions for them, or wouldn't care about such repercussions regardless. Fact of the matter is that those likely to make such threats are the ones who generally hide behind mob culture or herd mentality.

Hence, living in the UK, apart from the odd demented idiot or two (the type that exist in every culture and society), I very much doubt anyone would make any such threats. Besides, statistically speaking, I'm far more likely to be a victim of a hate crime (for being non-white) than for my views on Islam.

 

[miandadrules]

The law is unlikely to act as a deterrent for the types that might make such threats, either because they'd be too thick to realise the potential legal repercussions for them, or wouldn't care about such repercussions regardless. Fact of the matter is that those likely to make such threats are the ones who generally hide behind mob culture or herd mentality.

Hence, living in the UK, apart from the odd demented idiot or two (the type that exist in every culture and society), I very much doubt anyone would make any such threats. Besides, statistically speaking, I'm far more likely to be a victim of a hate crime (for being non-white) than for my views on Islam.

The states legislation and infrastructure makes it difficult for such acts to be carried out to any significant degree.

However, in other states where either the institutions are too weak or the state is complicit, the likelihood of you being targeted for your views increases exponentially.

That is why pogroms are unlikely to occur in Western Europe whereas they are feasible in the developing world.

KKWC has tried to equate the plight of an apostate in the UK to that in a Muslim majority state, which I felt was totally disingenuous.

 

[miandadrules]

Frankly the whole notion that men and women should be equal is absurd and destined to destroy any nation which will peddle such a useless experiment for a long enough period.

How so?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Define what you term as "hate".

The question I asked was in relation to this thread, as just because I am not a Muslim doesn't mean I will ignore the ideology if it being used to persecute, discriminate or subjugate others.

Hate as in intense dislike that it consumes far too much of your time than it really should. It's like having a creepy obsessive ex struggling with the breakup.


The question in the op is why Muslim women not allowed to marry non Muslim.... to which the answer is straightforward... because it's not in the rules. Coming back to ex Muslims, why do they make a point in butting in... it's none of their business anymore...

 

[miandadrules]

Hate as in intense dislike that it consumes far too much of your time than it really should. It's like having a creepy obsessive ex struggling with the breakup.


The question in the op is why Muslim women not allowed to marry non Muslim.... to which the answer is straightforward... because it's not in the rules. Coming back to ex Muslims, why do they make a point in butting in... it's none of their business anymore...

For me it is because aspects of the Islamic faith subjugate women and minorities and this is an example of it.

What you believe is none of my business. They consequences of you doctrine and actions is very much my business.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

For me it is because aspects of the Islamic faith subjugate women and minorities and this is an example of it.

What you believe is none of my business. They consequences of you doctrine and actions is very much my business.

So basically you are reverse prostelysing..... interesting.

This again is an example of what I meant by having a creepy obsessive ex who just makes it their business to stalk you.....

 

[miandadrules]

So basically you are reverse prostelysing..... interesting.

This again is an example of what I meant by having a creepy obsessive ex who just makes it their business to stalk you.....

If you think standing up for the rights of the oppressed is creepy, then sure I'm fine with being labelled creepy.

If tomorrow Muslims upheld the rights of women and minorities, such as homosexuals then I wouldn't have a need to comment on that aspect.

What you're trying to do is attach a derogatory to label to my point of view. In order to diminish the significance of the argument. But I'm fine with that because me being labelled a creep doesn't change the issue at hand.

 

[Black Zero]

Clearly you failed to understand the meaning of ex muslim..... seriously!

Read the title of this thread and you may realize that this thread is about two main parties...
1- Muslim females
2- Non muslim males.

You (muslim males) maybe indirectly effected but not the part of main discussion.

 

[kabbirann]

Exactly. Think in terms of 1400+ years ago, especially versus other societies/religions around at that time. And since (some) Muslims believe that laws from 1400+ years ago must be followed to the letter even today ....

.... as opposed to seeing those laws as being designed to address the needs and prevailing situations at that time of 1400+ years ago, in those societies, in a hot, dry and arid environment of the Arabian Peninsula, and not necessarily relevant today.

I think this is true of all religions.
It's crazy that at work we have these guidelines and protocols which all have a review date as an acknowledgement that these guidelines will need to be updated based on any new evidence or knowledge yet religion which is supposed to be the biggest guideline is apparently this eternal,unchanging truth.

As a Sikh,there is a lot that I respect about my faith but there is also a lot that is irrelevant noise which I just ignore.
I remember when we moved to Delhi we were told that we were supposed to only eat Jhatka meat which was different form the Muslim way, when we had been eating meat before without bothering about this .
Anyway ,the nearest and the best butcher was a Muslim guy and that's where my father went.
When it comes to common sense or religion,the winner should always be common sense.

 

[Black Zero]

Historical facts:

1- Fatima bint Asad (mother of Ali and virtual mother of prophet of islam, prophet named his beloved daughter fatima cause of this lady ) was muslim lady, who remained married to non-muslim Abu Talib...
2- two daughters of prophet of islam were married to non believers and Infact they sent back the daughters to prophet.

 

[kabbirann]

Firstly, a 'Kaafir' is one who knowingly denies the truth, having understood and accepted it. Non-Muslims are not Kuffar, therefore, since most are not aware of the Message of Islam, or have received a corrupted, perverted version of it - through the media, or ISIS, for example.

Secondly, and with the greatest of respect: I am not making any assertions whatsoever regarding the Qur'anic statutes that address the rights and responsibilities of both men and women, but merely seeking to explain, in light of my studies and extremely limited knowledge, the reasons why they (the statutes) exist in the first place.

Please read through the piece again, because in so doing you will find that men are required - not by choice or whim - but by law to provide financially for his wife, family and any offspring they may have. The wife is not required, by law, to provide financially for the family, but she may do so if she wishes.

Also, there is absolutely no concept of dowry that the wife, or her family, gives to prospective husbands. This is an entirely Indian/Hindu belief or tradition, which has been adopted by sub-Continental Muslims through centuries of contacts with them. In fact, a Muslim man cannot marry a woman until he has first given the dowry, as Q5:5 makes abundantly clear


provided you give them their dowries


Just for the record: I am not saying that Muslim women are allowed to marry non-Muslims, only seeking to explain why they are not. My post states clearly that women, however, like their male counterparts, can do what they want, including marry who they wish to, because the law of 'no compulsion in religion' categorically prohibits any kind of force. Thus, no-one can force a woman - or man - to pray, fast, make pilgrimage or marry against their will. Free will operates for everyone, so that people are free to practice their faith, or live their lives, as they see fit.

Thanks for your very gracious response.
While I may not agree with what you are saying,I have a lot of respect for the way in which you are saying it.

 

[Heisenberg]

Im glad you have accepted only a very small percentage of people have been put to death considering the size of the Muslim population worldwide.

There is nothing further to argue on this point.

It's alright guys. Only a few people have been put to death.

 

[Jadz]

Frankly the whole notion that men and women should be equal is absurd and destined to destroy any nation which will peddle such a useless experiment for a long enough period.

It is not about equality of the genders, it is about the rights and responsibilities of both. Unfortunately, people are obsessed with the concept of 'equality'. The fact is, human beings are not born equal; some are rich, others poor, some are tall, others short, some are dark, others fair, some have brown eyes, others have green eyes, some are intelligent, others are thick, and so on, ad infinitum. Without diversity, we would have uniformity of appearance, thought and action.

It is necessary to provide human beings with opportunities, so that they may fulfil the potential that all are gifted with. Without equal opportunities, a great deal of human potential - and therefore, knowledge, wisdom, experience - is lost forever. That loss cannot be estimated or measured. This is why civilised nations do not try to impose artificially contrived ideas of equality upon its peoples, they just try to ensure people have equal access to education, health services and so on.

A nation is not destroyed by treating women in the same, or similar, manner to men, it is destroyed when injustices are perpetrated upon members of its own society, irrespective of gender.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Female babies were buried alive, women were treated like material possessions, like cattle. They had no rights at all. Islam introduced laws which raised the status of women, provided laws which defined their rights and responsibilities, warned men against mistreating or abusing them, and thus, conferred upon Muslim women the dignity their Western counterparts only obtained in the latter part of the 20th Century.

Unfortunately, Muslim societies and communities have regressed and all but returned to the Days of Inorance, Al-Jahiliyyah, the times preceding the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and revelation of the Qur'an. Women are, once again, mistreated, abused and even killed. Female babies are often viewed with revulsion, and, above all else, men have assumed the role of deity or semi-divinity, which means they dictate virtually all religious, economic and social matters. In short, the Muslim world is not Muslim at all, it is jahiliyyah, or ignorance, that is in full operation, with illiteracy of Islam at epic levels.

But we don't burn female babies and oppress women like we did before so are now Muslim women allowed to marry outside their religion ?

 

[Jadz]

But we don't burn female babies and oppress women like we did before so are now Muslim women allowed to marry outside their religion ?

Kindly read the post - your question is answered in it.