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Why are no eye brows being raised for Australia's dismal performances in Asia over the years?

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Whenever an Asian team travel overseas, their performances gets scrutinized minutely. India being called HTB because they cant play swing in Eng, likes of Ian Chappel mock Pakistan team because they cant win in Aust, teams like BD dont get invited in Aust bcoz they are not good enough aparently.

But in reality Australia's performance in Asia over the years is equally poor if not worse. They cant play spin to save their lives. Same goes for England. But I dont see anyone scrutinizing them like the way an Asian team gets judged in overseas tours.

Why you think its the case and if cricket still being a white mens game?
 
They did win a series in SL in 2011. But in general they have been absolutely dreadful in Asia.

Their failures however do not absolve the Asian teams especially India for repeated failures in SENA countries.
 
Plenty of pundits have talked about Australia's weaknesses against spin. It's brought up every time they tour Asia.
 
Is playing in Australia harming Australian cricket? :yk2 :misbah
 
England, Australia and West Indies. These were the original power centres of world cricket. And when cricket was establishing an image of itself in the minds of spectators, it was these teams that controlled the narrative of what is "good/great" in cricket and what is not.

That's why not being able to play swing is somehow considered weaker than not being able to play spin.

It's the same reason why the spin quartet of India is not spoken off nearly as highly as the West Indian pace quartert by the global audience. Even though, both of those attacks are the best of their kind ever seen in world cricketel to this day.
 
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Canford Cliffs said:
And why that would be the case?
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Runs scored in Asia don't count because of flat wickets like this one enabling everybody to rack up massive scores. Australia nearly scored 150 runs for crying out loud, no wonder test cricket is dying!
 
It's also the same reason why if a test match ends in 3 days in India, the pitch is termed as "doctored" and rated "poor". But if a test match ends in 3 days in England or SA, the batsmen are blamed for their "lack of skill to play fast bowling."
 
to early to judge prior to on going test b/w pak/aus.Aus can still win the match by bowled out pak for cheap score.let the test is over than we can criticize there record in asia
 
Also because India and Pakistan have literally never won a test series in Australia or South Africa, while the opposite has been achieved before
 
the_outsider said:
England, Australia and West Indies. These were the original power centres of world cricket. And when cricket was establishing an image of itself in the minds of spectators, it was these teams that controlled the narrative of what is "good/great" in cricket and what is not.

That's why not being able to play swing is somehow considered weaker than not being able to play spin.

It's the same reason why the spin quartet of India is not spoken off nearly as highly as the West Indian pace quartert by the global audience. Even though, both of those attacks are the best of their kind ever seen in world cricketel to this day.
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Well said and i agree. We should also stop looking for acknowledgement from these nations.
 
angrypathan said:
Also because India and Pakistan have literally never won a test series in Australia or South Africa, while the opposite has been achieved before
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It is also true that adjusting from Swing/Seam to Spin and High to low bounce is easier than the other way round! So if teams are doing badly in spinning/slow conditions then it indicates that they are far inferior teams (Hence India's 1-4 in England is better than 0-4 by England in India with lot closely contested matches!)

Forget Pandits and Experts even PPers don't want to acknowledge that India is the right No.1 based on these conventions!
 
Spin bowling in general is not as attractive as fast bowling, although it gets the job done for asian teams in home conditions people are not as impressed as say when James Anderson is moving the bowl around at pace in England or Starc's pace and bounce in Australia.

Plus for the bowl to spin the pitch has to break up and become dusty so its easier to say its under prepared wicket. If you look at some Indian pitches recently they are dusty from day 1 which can only mean one thing its doctored. Where say if its green pitch in England people can say its to make sure pitch doesnt break up over the course of the test match so designed to last 5 days.

So that's my take on this issue, My personal take on this is I hate wickets that are dusty on the first day because it makes it too obvious that its not designed to last 5 days it cant possible last 5 days. But then Dubai wicket was too flat and invites boring cricket. Both situations are reasons why test cricket is dying in Asia.
 
Maybe because that...

even with a team missing our TWO best Test bowlers and our TWO best Test batsmen's, plus missing another promising batman...

We still played a tight match and fought hard as anything to get a draw in the first Test.

Around most of the world, India's recent tour of England is regarded as a loss, but credible performance. Some pacers enhanced their reputation, as did Kohli. Some of the losses were back and forth for half the Test and actually very good cricket to watch. That is all we ask.

Oz provided that in the first Test and you tell me which other Test nation missing FIVE first choice players will even put up a fight and get a result as Oz did in their toughest conditions?
 
Pakhs said:
Spin bowling in general is not as attractive as fast bowling, although it gets the job done for asian teams in home conditions people are not as impressed as say when James Anderson is moving the bowl around at pace in England or Starc's pace and bounce in Australia.

Plus for the bowl to spin the pitch has to break up and become dusty so its easier to say its under prepared wicket. If you look at some Indian pitches recently they are dusty from day 1 which can only mean one thing its doctored. Where say if its green pitch in England people can say its to make sure pitch doesnt break up over the course of the test match so designed to last 5 days.

So that's my take on this issue, My personal take on this is I hate wickets that are dusty on the first day because it makes it too obvious that its not designed to last 5 days it cant possible last 5 days. But then Dubai wicket was too flat and invites boring cricket. Both situations are reasons why test cricket is dying in Asia.
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That may be right. But this is the issue of soil (for sports). The soil has to actually breakup to grow better crops which Asia has (And it has to be this way for betterment of overall mankind!) Grass can be grown even on Indian pitches but that can make it even sluggish and won't last long! Hence India has history of other kind of sports like Kabaddi, Wrestling, etc played on sluggish mud!

Hence you cannot artificially prepare SENA kind of pitches in Asia. Also you can't complain teams for this! The players can only perform on what they practice & play! As I said it is easier to adjust from high to low bounce and swing to spin (not just me many cricket experts have said this!) Hence if non-Asian teams perform bad in Asia they should actually be criticized even more than when Asian teams struggle outside! That is the essence of this thread (Its a good thread!) You can observe that stronger teams in the past used to dominate even in Asia! The current affairs just indicates that those countries have regressed a lot! If teams plan properly (like India without idiocy of Shastri/Kohli) they can actually perform & win outside Asia. Then it will be an even more impressive effort compared to what Australia/WI achieved in Asia in the past!
 
Aus hasn't done too bad recently. They did win and draw a test in India. They drew few days ago in UAE by lasting 140 overs in 4th inning. Folding every time cheaply gets you criticism.

I am not sure if Indians got too much criticism for recent Eng tour. Simple reason was most tests were hanging in balance and not one sided. Earlier tour was criticized and there was reason for that. Aus also got criticized for earlier tours of India where they didn't show any fight.
 
RamLakhan said:
That may be right. But this is the issue of soil (for sports). The soil has to actually breakup to grow better crops which Asia has (And it has to be this way for betterment of overall mankind!) Grass can be grown even on Indian pitches but that can make it even sluggish and won't last long! Hence India has history of other kind of sports like Kabaddi, Wrestling, etc played on sluggish mud!

Hence you cannot artificially prepare SENA kind of pitches in Asia. Also you can't complain teams for this! The players can only perform on what they practice & play! As I said it is easier to adjust from high to low bounce and swing to spin (not just me many cricket experts have said this!) Hence if non-Asian teams perform bad in Asia they should actually be criticized even more than when Asian teams struggle outside! That is the essence of this thread (Its a good thread!) You can observe that stronger teams in the past used to dominate even in Asia! The current affairs just indicates that those countries have regressed a lot! If teams plan properly (like India without idiocy of Shastri/Kohli) they can actually perform & win outside Asia. Then it will be an even more impressive effort compared to what Australia/WI achieved in Asia in the past!
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I understand why the wickets in Asia either have to be UAE style boring pitches or Recently Indian style Dusty from first day but both are not good for test cricket for reasons given above. Your other point about this current Indian team although not related to this thread but my take on that is this is not any better India side than it has been since 2000s and actually Indian side of around 2003 had better results overseas and similar results at home than this current side.

Indian sides have always been dominant at home its only two sides who ever gave them competition that great WI and great Aus side more recently and that's about it. Pakistan have played well in India on occasions but for them the conditions are not alien. I disagree also that if say India win an odd series away they will be more impressive than those great Aus or WI sides. Those two sides won series all across Asia and the rest. For this Indian side to be just as good they will have to win series everywhere.
 
the_outsider said:
England, Australia and West Indies. These were the original power centres of world cricket. And when cricket was establishing an image of itself in the minds of spectators, it was these teams that controlled the narrative of what is "good/great" in cricket and what is not.

That's why not being able to play swing is somehow considered weaker than not being able to play spin.

It's the same reason why the spin quartet of India is not spoken off nearly as highly as the West Indian pace quartert by the global audience. Even though, both of those attacks are the best of their kind ever seen in world cricketel to this day.
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Spin quartet didn't achieve what pace quartet did.

But yes they were amazing.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Spin quartet didn't achieve what pace quartet did.

But yes they were amazing.
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Considering that the pacers of that era enjoyed the distinct advantage of having a huge psychological edge over batsmen who had to fear for their physical safety because of lack of proper protective gear, I would argue that the spin quartet achieved just as much as the pace quartert did.
 
To be honest, people made too much of the previous test when in reality the pitch had seriously flattened out on Day 4 and 5. Pakistan needs to go for the kill immediately to avoid the same scenario, these UAE pitches flatten out by Day 4 and 5.
 
Savak said:
To be honest, people made too much of the previous test when in reality the pitch had seriously flattened out on Day 4 and 5. Pakistan needs to go for the kill immediately to avoid the same scenario, these UAE pitches flatten out by Day 4 and 5.
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True.
 
Because till 2011 Australians were always very competitive in Asia. India/Pakistan however have more often than not sucked outside Asia, especially in Australia and SA. If Australia continues to fail in Asia for a few more decades may be we can start wagging our tongues, atm no Asian team has the legacy of mighty Australia, the most successful cricket nation on the planet.
 
Australia haven't done too bad in Asia since Lankan tour in 2016. And I have seen them get stick for lacking fight in Asian conditions.
 
They can’t play swing and can’t play spin any more.

It’s all about hitting for power on flat decks now.
 
Australia gets stick for failing in Asia but they have still went on to win series everywhere in Asia historically.

Asian teams have never managed to win series in either Australia or SA. Unless, they do that, they will keep getting stick more than non-Asian sides.

Also, this is a very weak Aus side. We can't make any conclusion on that basis.
 
Australians is a very poor side in Asia.They should learn the basics of playing spin from asians
 
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