Why are Pakistani bowlers getting injured so often?

[MenInG]

I hear we have good bench strength etc yet even our back up guys are getting injured? What is the reason for that?

Our are medical staff incompetent? Or are players being overstretched in training?

 

[shaz619]

Mickey Arther needs ro manage their work load better and not run them into the ground

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Imagine what the scenario would be if we played a proper full season. We would be left with C grade bowlers at the end.

The issue with Pakistan always has been that we expect fast bowlers to bowl at full throttle and play every match there is in the series. Hasan Ali could be the next to be injured soon.

 

[MMHS]

Mickey Arther needs ro manage their work load better and not run them into the ground

That's not the issue.

ONLY REASON and you can bank on me regarding this - these pacers are playing in a FC system that asks them to bowl 12-15 overs/day in a 65 overs days' work load - in 4 days hardly any pacer bowls more than 23-29 overs. And, in total PAK players play least number of FC matches - around 10-12 max/season.

Fast bowler's (any bowler) body & stamina is built on field match condition, not in nets or gym. It's a strong ligament & twitching muscles work, not a six pack & shoulder job.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Too much gym training and not enough flexible training.

I can remember recently one of the 80s windies bowlers saying this about West indies - tbh it seems like broad is the only bowler who isn't injured much into the world

 

[DRsohail]

yess endurance under continuous stress which makes ur tendons and ligaments plus bones strong.muscles can be built in gym.

 

[MMHS]

Too much gym training and not enough flexible training.

I can remember recently one of the 80s windies bowlers saying this about West indies - tbh it seems like broad is the only bowler who isn't injured much into the world

In 80s, if I start the season from 1st May, most WI fast bowler will play in Counties, or at least minor Counties or clubs - that's 1000-1200 overs in 5 months, then they'll tour with WI - to Asia or Oceania, every year - that's another 400-500 overs in 4 months. Then their domestic season starts in FEB, another 300-400 overs in 3 months - that's 1800-2000 fast, hostile, relentless overs in cricket with at least 100 overs work load in a full day. Add to that similar numbers in nets - at least 20 hours/week for almost all 52 weeks ............ where is the time for fancy Gold Gym or muscle pull or side strain?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Small niggles that require a few weeks rest are not injuries. These are common in sports. Injuries are what happened to Shinwari and what regularly happens with Australian bowlers that keep players out for months.

 

[finalfantasy7]

In 80s, if I start the season from 1st May, most WI fast bowler will play in Counties, or at least minor Counties or clubs - that's 1000-1200 overs in 5 months, then they'll tour with WI - to Asia or Oceania, every year - that's another 400-500 overs in 4 months. Then their domestic season starts in FEB, another 300-400 overs in 3 months - that's 1800-2000 fast, hostile, relentless overs in cricket with at least 100 overs work load in a full day. Add to that similar numbers in nets - at least 20 hours/week for almost all 52 weeks ............ where is the time for fancy Gold Gym or muscle pull or side strain?

What I mean to say that's what one of the west indies 1980s players stated regarding about players today.

He stated regarding West indies camp that the fitness coaches in clubs are people who haven't played the game are training the players in the gym - just weight training and nothing to do with flexibility training - in order to generate your pace.

He stated the fitness coaches are from other sports and do not even ply cricket - so they don't understand cricket at all.

I do believe what he said is correct- players these days no not practise thr run up at all and they loose thr rhythm - holding/Waqar/Akram have stated this - I do see players messing around with thr run ups in matches - player comes to mind was wahab riaz - too much gym training and when he lacked his rhythm - he was poor.

Again lambu - Mohammed Irfan - considering how tall he was suffered from this

 

[finalfantasy7]

In 80s, if I start the season from 1st May, most WI fast bowler will play in Counties, or at least minor Counties or clubs - that's 1000-1200 overs in 5 months, then they'll tour with WI - to Asia or Oceania, every year - that's another 400-500 overs in 4 months. Then their domestic season starts in FEB, another 300-400 overs in 3 months - that's 1800-2000 fast, hostile, relentless overs in cricket with at least 100 overs work load in a full day. Add to that similar numbers in nets - at least 20 hours/week for almost all 52 weeks ............ where is the time for fancy Gold Gym or muscle pull or side strain?

Also mmhs Michael holding stated that was a myth about not playing enough cricket. He stated reason why that generation for them was that great is because they were Constantly playing cricket in lower windies leagues

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shaheen being the sole exception, they don't play a lot of Test cricket . Nor do they toil a lot in domestics .

Naseem got injured before the World Cup.

And now can't even play a full T20 series despite not even bowling 145 kph even once.

PSL is also a much shorter league than IPL

So, why are the likes of Naseem so fragile and easily injured, unfit?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think they take fitness and nutrition seriously, and neither does the board. This is compounded by the fact that many of them come from impoverished backgrounds and probably have not been able to access to quality food and nutrition from a young age.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don't think they take fitness and nutrition seriously, and neither does the board. This is compounded by the fact that many of them come from impoverished backgrounds and probably have not been able to access to quality food and nutrition from a young age.

Isn't nutrition , biomechanics, fitness etc. the responsibility of the PCB once they make it to this level ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Naseem is a shoulder bowler. He is not that tall. He puts in a lot when he bowls short of a length. It is an injury prone action. I will be surprised if he plays without frequent injuries. Amir actually has slightly easy repeatable action. Shaheen has good physical attributes. But action has become a bit crooked. The thing is these guys don't even play that many Tests. Imagine them playing 4 test series, 5 test series.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

too many cake celebrations actually boosting their fitness level..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Naseem injured again today.

 

[mominsaigol]

Naseem injured again today.

God is helping me even more when I claimed 2 months ago that 2023 Pakistan is repeating itself in 2024

 

[FreakCricket]

Strong pepsi backfired

 

[Barragan]

They're bringing hassan ali as backup!

The guy who failed miserably in the world cup 23.

Failed in the PSL as well.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

God is helping me even more when I claimed 2 months ago that 2023 Pakistan is repeating itself in 2024

But this is a format that PAK is actually good at. These guys should be comfortable bowling 4 overs each.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

They're bringing hassan ali as backup!

The guy who failed miserably in the world cup 23.

Failed in the PSL as well.

Wasim Jr and Rauf would be better replacements.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

They're bringing hassan ali as backup!

The guy who failed miserably in the world cup 23.

Failed in the PSL as well.

We call this losing with grace.

 

[mominsaigol]

But this is a format that PAK is actually good at. These guys should be comfortable bowling 4 overs each.

I have had this argument nearly 25x now.

Pakistan is not good at this format. Ironically test and odi are better formats for Pakistan.

Bowlers being unfit is consistent in every format.

However in t20, The opening is a mess and the middle order does not exist.

However in test, Pakistan has Abdullah who since his debut has been a solid test opener, Babar and rizwan are also 100x better in test then t20, saud is also good. We got crushed by Australia yes, but Pakistan in test dominated Sri Lanka and would murder C team NZ or Ireland if they played.

T20 however is actually Pakistan's weakest format, because even in odi the inclusion of salman agha, Abdullah, saud, and fakhar opening strengthen the squad, odi squad is weak 100% bit the odi squad is not losing to C side NZ or Ireland.

Infact Odi squad dominated B string NZ which featured Mitchell, Latham, chapman etc.

T20 is Pakistan’s weakest format, then test and odi being their strongest (even though their still a poor odi team).

I said this 6 months ago and I am saying it now

 

[JattMaula]

I have had this argument nearly 25x now.

Pakistan is not good at this format. Ironically test and odi are better formats for Pakistan.

Bowlers being unfit is consistent in every format.

However in t20, The opening is a mess and the middle order does not exist.

However in test, Pakistan has Abdullah who since his debut has been a solid test opener, Babar and rizwan are also 100x better in test then t20, saud is also good. We got crushed by Australia yes, but Pakistan in test dominated Sri Lanka and would murder C team NZ or Ireland if they played.

T20 however is actually Pakistan's weakest format, because even in odi the inclusion of salman agha, Abdullah, saud, and fakhar opening strengthen the squad, odi squad is weak 100% bit the odi squad is not losing to C side NZ or Ireland.

Infact Odi squad dominated B string NZ which featured Mitchell, Latham, chapman etc.

T20 is Pakistan’s weakest format, then test and odi being their strongest (even though their still a poor odi team).

I said this 6 months ago and I am saying it now

A semi and a final says otherwise.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Any update on Naseem?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Any update on Naseem?

not yet... must be ok i guess nothing serious!

 

[mominsaigol]

A semi and a final says otherwise.

2022 is pure luck, 2021 isn't but

T20 tournament formats were easier for Bobby due to cover era.

The tournament were shortened requiring a few wins and not needing to fave every team to qualify.

Odi tournaments exposed them to due facing every team once in long formats and test exposed then cause test nations take test seriously

 

[shaz619]

The medical staff are numpties and on top of that, the captain is a bigger numpty.

Sarfraz and Mickey combo got it right, Misbah came in with his old habbits and ruined everything, worst off all he created the spitting image of himself in terms of cricketing intellect; e.g Babar King Azam

 

[BouncerGuy]

Because they are too weak when it comes to fitness and endurance. They are busy eating cakes instead of real hard physical workout and they get injured when they have to go through some hard stuff.