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Compared to pretty much everyone else.

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Considering the Saudi-inspired sectarian fires rife in Pakistan since the 80s, it is actually quite heartening to see those numbers.
 
The numbers show what they show because Pakistani's are self-appointed saviors of the Muslim world.

I'd like to see one of these polls showing what Iranians think of Pakistan. That'd open a few eyes.
 
We're not as sectarian as Arabs. We have the 2nd most Shias in the world too and Sunni Pakistanis also favorably view Iran for having the cajones to stand up against the world's most powerful country.
 
A more important question is as to why everyone else is so against Iran.

The Americans, Israelis and Lebanese apart, there is no reason why others must hate Iran so much.
 
We admire their resilience to stand up to the West and power through all the sanctions, they also seem to be the only Arab country to care about the Palestinians.
 
We admire their resilience to stand up to the West and power through all the sanctions, they also seem to be the only Arab country to care about the Palestinians.

They are Persians bro, and are very proud Persians as well. Most of them don't like to be associated with Arabs.
 
We admire their resilience to stand up to the West and power through all the sanctions, they also seem to be the only Arab country to care about the Palestinians.

Calling Iran an Arab country is like referring to Pakistan as part of the middle east.

When was the last time you looked at a world map?
 
They are Persians bro, and are very proud Persians as well. Most of them don't like to be associated with Arabs.

About half of them are Persian, but yes they absolutely hate being mistaken for Arabs.
 
The numbers show what they show because Pakistani's are self-appointed saviors of the Muslim world.

I'd like to see one of these polls showing what Iranians think of Pakistan. That'd open a few eyes.

They used to be pretty welcoming before the Taliban days. A friend of mine drove through Iran and he often got invited to eat with locals and shoot the breeze. That was before the sectarian crap we see today though.
 
The 1000s nations of the Persian empire will descend upon you. Our arrows will blot out the Sun.

Then we will fight in the shade.
 
They are Persians bro, and are very proud Persians as well. Most of them don't like to be associated with Arabs.

Calling Iran an Arab country is like referring to Pakistan as part of the middle east.

When was the last time you looked at a world map?

You have obviously never had a slip of tongue or typo in your life right?
 
You have obviously never had a slip of tongue or typo in your life right?

No need to get defensive, just corrected you on your mistake about a certain country or slip of the tongue.

Uberkoen was a bit aggressive in his reply though.
 
A more important question is as to why everyone else is so against Iran.

The Americans, Israelis and Lebanese apart, there is no reason why others must hate Iran so much.

They are the biggest threat to Israel. So there is bound to be a massive propaganda against Iran in the western media which influences their people.
 
They are the biggest threat to Israel. So there is bound to be a massive propaganda against Iran in the western media which influences their people.

Yes, I know.

Which is why I asked why everyone else apart from the Americans, Israelis and Lebanese should hate Iran.

These three have their reasons.
 
Honestly because this poll is inaccurate.

They should have had a third option of "I dont know" or "I dont care" lol.

That would be way more accurate.

Because Pakistan has cordial foreign relations with Iran, normal Pakistanis aren't fed propaganda against Iran. So its understandable the majority of Pakistanis don't dislike Iran.

But to say a majority is favorable towards Iran is probably irresponsible.

If there was an option for "I dont know" a lot of the favorable views would switch over to that category.
 
Yes, I know.

Which is why I asked why everyone else apart from the Americans, Israelis and Lebanese should hate Iran.

These three have their reasons.

The Gulf countries and their allies' reasons are also pretty well known.
 
About half of them are Persian, but yes they absolutely hate being mistaken for Arabs.

If half of them are Persian? Then the other half are who?

Who exact are the Persians? which ethnic groups come under it? Are the Tajiks Persian as well?

I have heard that Afghanistan is 60 % Pashtun and rest of them are Persian. Is that true?
 
Honestly because this poll is inaccurate.

They should have had a third option of "I dont know" or "I dont care" lol.

That would be way more accurate.

Because Pakistan has cordial foreign relations with Iran, normal Pakistanis aren't fed propaganda against Iran. So its understandable the majority of Pakistanis don't dislike Iran.

But to say a majority is favorable towards Iran is probably irresponsible.

If there was an option for "I dont know" a lot of the favorable views would switch over to that category.

76 favorable, 8 unfavorable equals 84.

Pretty sure the other 16% said "I don't know"/"I don't care"
 
The numbers show what they show because Pakistani's are self-appointed saviors of the Muslim world.

I'd like to see one of these polls showing what Iranians think of Pakistan. That'd open a few eyes.

These number don't show that we are self appointed saviors of the Muslim world!

But we naturally like other Islamic countries more than they like us! Its a positive thing! Also indicates we want unity among Muslims!
 
76 favorable, 8 unfavorable equals 84.

Pretty sure the other 16% said "I don't know"/"I don't care"

oh whoops, you are correct, I clearly didn't spend too long looking over the OP lol.

That is surprising then. I have a Persian friend who says most people in Iran dont really hear about Pakistan and don't really talk about them.

Apparently they are too busy talking about Israel and America.

I just assumed it would be similar in Pakistan.
 
oh whoops, you are correct, I clearly didn't spend too long looking over the OP lol.

That is surprising then. I have a Persian friend who says most people in Iran dont really hear about Pakistan and don't really talk about them.

Apparently they are too busy talking about Israel and America.

I just assumed it would be similar in Pakistan.

Yes Pakistan doesn't feature a great deal in the Iranian scheme of things.

Also Iranians I've met always thought that Pakistan was some rag-tag under-developed nation and were surprised to know what's it really like. Maybe we haven't advertised ourselves properly..
 
If half of them are Persian? Then the other half are who?

Who exact are the Persians? which ethnic groups come under it? Are the Tajiks Persian as well?

I have heard that Afghanistan is 60 % Pashtun and rest of them are Persian. Is that true?

Another 25% or so are Azeri, who are Turkicized Persians or Persianized Turks, depending on who you ask. They're very well integrated into Iranian society. Many many influential Iranians are of Azeri heritage. Another 10% or so are Kurds, who aren't so well integrated.

But one famous Iranian Kurdish family gave us Nusrat Bhutto.
 
If half of them are Persian? Then the other half are who?

Who exact are the Persians? which ethnic groups come under it? Are the Tajiks Persian as well?

I have heard that Afghanistan is 60 % Pashtun and rest of them are Persian. Is that true?

I think it might be 60% Pashtun and the rest are made up of different ethnicities like Tajiks, Uzbeks and few others. I don't think they are all Persians.
 
Yes, I know.

Which is why I asked why everyone else apart from the Americans, Israelis and Lebanese should hate Iran.

These three have their reasons.

The European countries will more likely side with the US than Iran and obviously their media and their reporting will reflect that.

The Gulf countries have an unfavourable view of Iran due to its Shia majority.

Also, Iran is projected by the media as an unstable country which has WMDs in its arsenal. Obviously the responders of the poll will reflect that view. There needn't be any dispute between two countries for its subjects to have an unfavourable opinion of one or the other country. For example, if a poll were to be conducted in India on its view of North Korea, I'm pretty sure that many will respond in negative more than positive, eventhough there isn't any active dispute between India and North Korea.

That said, I'm not sure why so many in Brazil view Iran as unfavourable.
 
If half of them are Persian? Then the other half are who?

Who exact are the Persians? which ethnic groups come under it? Are the Tajiks Persian as well?

I have heard that Afghanistan is 60 % Pashtun and rest of them are Persian. Is that true?

Azeris, Kurds, Baloch, even some Arabs

I remember reading somewhere that Tajiks are basically Sunni Persians, not too sure though. I think we have a Tajik member here who could explain it better. [MENTION=109704]AFG_Brit[/MENTION]
 
Yes, but somehow I don't think Iranians would give 76 percent favourable ratings to Pakistan. To be honest I doubt any ummah nation would.

Didn't Iran want to build a massive wall recently between the two countries?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8343138.stm

That is because of Saudi support of Pakistan and funding of wahabi ideology. Iran and Saudi are mired in sectarian conflict whereas Pakistan as the true light of the Islamic world is above this.
 
Azeris, Kurds, Baloch, even some Arabs

I remember reading somewhere that Tajiks are basically Sunni Persians, not too sure though. I think we have a Tajik member here who could explain it better. [MENTION=109704]AFG_Brit[/MENTION]

Tajiks are sunni Persians and if I am not wrong the farsi speaking tajiks of Afghanistan trace their roots back to Persia.

I am Sunni tajik, speak Farsi (Persian) but our family has always been referred to as Afghan tajik.


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That is because of Saudi support of Pakistan and funding of wahabi ideology. Iran and Saudi are mired in sectarian conflict whereas Pakistan as the true light of the Islamic world is above this.

Honestly if we were economically and financially stable, we would control the Muslim world (even though I personally don't believe in the viability of the Ummah)

6th largest army, one of the biggest populations in the world, vast swathes of fertile land and a predominantly young population. Only thing lacking is a killer economy, if we get that then the sky is the limit..
 
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Pakistan is one of the worst countries in the world for sectarian violence between muslims.

You could have said Malaysia or Indonesia.

There is no sectarian violence in Pakistan, only mysterious bombings sponsored by outside agents. These figures themselves prove that the vast majority of Pakistanis are above sectarian division, but keep fishing. :kapil
 
The poll results from other countries are quite frustrating. Firstly Iran has never funded Al Qaeda or Sunni militant organisations who've been behind so many atrocities in the Middle East and Pakistan for geostrategic purposes unlike our Gulf friends.

They also have a highly educated population, especially women who have good educational attainment many of whom go onto university. They also have a pretty liberal, young and vibrant middle-class which never gets highlighted enough in the media - they're not the 'Death to America' burqa clad or bearded fundamentalists they're so regularly and ignorantly stereotyped as.

They've also sensibly gone to the negotiating table and secured sanctions relief which has been biting their economy for a long time, in return for the nuclear deal which was a crucial bit of diplomacy that the West did for once despite our Republican chickenhawk friends suggesting we go bomb them.
 
this has always amazed me when Iran has caused plenty of mischief in Pakistan and has worked with India with aiding the baloch separatists
 
I doubt it, you have too much Indian/Hindu influence in your customs, you will always be looked at differently by middle eastern nations. Unlike other areas of the world Islam did not become the dominant religion in South Asia and Pakistan will always be linked with non muslim India, your national language is pretty much identical to India's, it was even born in India.

I've only heard of Jinnah Road in Turkey, apart from that I don't think any muslim nation has named anything after a Pakistani.

Congratulations on completely missing the point :14:
 
I doubt it, you have too much Indian/Hindu influence in your customs, you will always be looked at differently by middle eastern nations. Unlike other areas of the world Islam did not become the dominant religion in South Asia and Pakistan will always be linked with non muslim India, your national language is pretty much identical to India's, it was even born in India.

I've only heard of Jinnah Road in Turkey, apart from that I don't think any muslim nation has named anything after a Pakistani.

In other posts you accuse Pakistan of being arab boot lickers, now you are saying we retain too much Hindu culture. This is pretty poor trolling fenderella, but on the other hand your snake-like attacks from every angle are a joy to behold.
 
this has always amazed me when Iran has caused plenty of mischief in Pakistan and has worked with India with aiding the baloch separatists

No, Iran has worked with Pakistan against Baloch insurgents. We have a mutual interest of eradicating the Baloch separatist movement. It's Afghanistan where our interests collide, but that's changing soon. India wouldn't be able to penetrate our western border in the future.
 
No, Iran has worked with Pakistan against Baloch insurgents. We have a mutual interest of eradicating the Baloch separatist movement. It's Afghanistan where our interests collide, but that's changing soon. India wouldn't be able to penetrate our western border in the future.

You would be surprised, the amount of crap i have seen. Indian agents cross into Pakistan from Iran more then any other border.

Talk to any middle high ranking officer who has served in the region past 15 years
 
Yes you might control the economy and have a super army but the middle eastern countries will still look at you as 'Hindi' muslims.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep..
 
You would be surprised, the amount of crap i have seen. Indian agents cross into Pakistan from Iran more then any other border.

Talk to any middle high ranking officer who has served in the region past 15 years

That can be sorted. The Iranians don't want an independent Baluchistan, they would lose land too and destablization is bad for the region.
 
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The 60% was figure was suggested by the poster I was replying to, all I know is that the Pashtuns form the largest majority among the different ethnics there.

yeah but they're majority minority much like Pakistan (45%ish Punjabi)
 
That can be sorted. The Iranians don't want an independent Baluchistan, they would lose land too and destablization is bad for the region.

you aren't looking at the broader picture, true Iran doesnt want them to actually become a substantial force as they may well be blowback, but they dont want them gone either.

Reason being is simple. In the advent of a Saudi - iran conflict Pakistan has to side with Saudi Arabia, whether we like it or not, agreements have long been made.

In the advent of such a situation Iran wants to have the option of pumping funding and arms to the Baloch so they can be a buffer and provide hindrence against any Pakistani mobilsation in the area and as a potenial bargaining chip .

It makes perfect strategic sense on there end. The Indian connection is there because they have always had good relations
 
You should just be true to yourself, it doesn't matter if you are not accepted by others. Give up any dreams to be the centre of anything. Maybe the centre of Islam in South Asia at most.

I don't think Pakistan has claimed to be the centre of anything so not sure what relevance this has to the topic, but carry on, we can humour you.
 
Because they're an Islamic Republic like us.

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You should just be true to yourself, it doesn't matter if you are not accepted by others. Give up any dreams to be the centre of anything. Maybe the centre of Islam in South Asia at most.

We are true to our selves, Heirs of the Ab-e-Sin, not some Dosa-eating Kumars that dance to tacky baalywood music.
 
you aren't looking at the broader picture, true Iran doesnt want them to actually become a substantial force as they may well be blowback, but they dont want them gone either.

Reason being is simple. In the advent of a Saudi - iran conflict Pakistan has to side with Saudi Arabia, whether we like it or not, agreements have long been made.

In the advent of such a situation Iran wants to have the option of pumping funding and arms to the Baloch so they can be a buffer and provide hindrence against any Pakistani mobilsation in the area and as a potenial bargaining chip .

It makes perfect strategic sense on there end. The Indian connection is there because they have always had good relations

Iran backed us in '65 and '71 against the Kumars, they worked with us to fight the Baluchi rebels in the 70s and they have been vocally in favor of the Kashmiri struggle against Indian occupation
 
Why are Pakistanis so pro-Iran?
Because it's Pakistan's next door neighbour, shares a long border, and does not threaten Pakistan, or provide safe havens for Taliban terrorists to cross over and plant bombs. And does not spend all it's time blaming Pakistan for it's own internal problems (unlike Pakistan's other neighbour to the west).
 
Iran backed us in '65 and '71 against the Kumars, they worked with us to fight the Baluchi rebels in the 70s and they have been vocally in favor of the Kashmiri struggle against Indian occupation

ever heard of brutal western backed dictator called the Shah? Well he was in charge back then, and being American puppet he did as the American said, and back then America was with us due to the Cold War.

besides you haven't actually responded hypotheticals i posed

both Iran and Pakistan have wargamed for what i previously mentioned
 
ever heard of brutal western backed dictator called the Shah? Well he was in charge back then, and being American puppet he did as the American said, and back then America was with us due to the Cold War.

besides you haven't actually responded hypotheticals i posed

both Iran and Pakistan have wargamed for what i previously mentioned

I understand your point and am aware of the shah but that can change we don't have deep seated animosities, at the end of the day Iran will benefit most from close relations with us than with India and that is the natural state we're returning too.
 
I understand your point and am aware of the shah but that can change we don't have deep seated animosities, at the end of the day Iran will benefit most from close relations with us than with India and that is the natural state we're returning too.

at the end of the day Pakistan is with Saudia Arabia, the wisdom of that is irrelvant, the Saudis' didnt pump billions into this country, especially in the military and nuclear program without expecting a return on investment. Iran knows this fact perfectly well and and naturally will have there contingencies to try and counter act it
 
at the end of the day Pakistan is with Saudia Arabia, the wisdom of that is irrelvant, the Saudis' didnt pump billions into this country, especially in the military and nuclear program without expecting a return on investment. Iran knows this fact perfectly well and and naturally will have there contingencies to try and counter act it

We can play 'em both. The Saudi affair is a limited one but with Iran it's more long term cause you can't ignore your neighbors. Pakistan should play it smart.
 
We can play 'em both. The Saudi affair is a limited one but with Iran it's more long term cause you can't ignore your neighbors. Pakistan should play it smart.

horribly misguided my friend

Pakistan is prostituted to Saudi Arabia, that's the harsh reality

they always provide us with aid, always supply us cheaply with oil, this is all done for a reason. There is an argument to be made that without Saudi Arabia Pakistan would have collapsed

I know people like to think otherwise due to us not getting directly involved in Yemen, but just be thankful there wasn't a major terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia, because if there was it would be Pakistani men bleeding in Yemen and and Pakistani jets bombing it.


Im not pro Saudi in terms of their forgein policy, or there religious hypocrisy, im just laying out the facts.

No relationship is as important, and no country are we more indebted to despite there sins

its the sad truth
 
horribly misguided my friend

Pakistan is prostituted to Saudi Arabia, that's the harsh reality

they always provide us with aid, always supply us cheaply with oil, this is all done for a reason. There is an argument to be made that without Saudi Arabia Pakistan would have collapsed

I know people like to think otherwise due to us not getting directly involved in Yemen, but just be thankful there wasn't a major terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia, because if there was it would be Pakistani men bleeding in Yemen and and Pakistani jets bombing it.


Im not pro Saudi in terms of their forgein policy, or there religious hypocrisy, im just laying out the facts.

No relationship is as important, and no country are we more indebted to despite there sins

its the sad truth

It's a reality, it isn't sad imo. We're providing services at a cost, it's a relationship that has worked but it needs to be reviewed whenever possible.
 
You are kumars with Arab names, you speak a kumari language, your founder was a kumar. Or being true to form you will change the spelling to Qumar!

No, Kumars are just your people, we're the heirs of the Ab-e-Sin ( you wouldn't know what that is, Kumar ;) ). Urdu is an Indo-European language developed in the army camps during Mughal rule of India. It's basically considered an invader language by Hindutva kumars such as yourself. The actual Kumar langauges are the Madrasi/Bumbay dialects you speak all over your country.
 
Oh the contradiction of being a PK, if given a choice we PK prefer to live in non Muslim countries in the West over Muslim countries any day of the week. We love the religious freedoms here that we don't get in our own country especially if we aren't part of the dominant sect, and on this particular topic the ignorance of Iranian discrimination against Sunnis is conveniently forgotten. Maybe one of the 76% should try naming their child Umar or try building a Sunni mosque in Tehran.
 
Iran is a great nation and deserves to be respected. They were the first country to recognize to Pakistan. This could have been at 90% if it wasn't for Iranian mullahs and their support for terrorist dictators.
 
Urdu is a dialect of Hindi and spoken by paan eaters of Uttar Pradesh.

In Pakistan we've developed our own dialect, it's evolved over 3/4th of a century. We actually mock the Bumbay/Bhojpuri dialect of Urdu/Hindi you guys speak.
 
If half of them are Persian? Then the other half are who?

Who exact are the Persians? which ethnic groups come under it? Are the Tajiks Persian as well?

I have heard that Afghanistan is 60 % Pashtun and rest of them are Persian. Is that true?

Azeri turkish, Arabs, Kurds, Lurs, turkish nomads like the Qashqai, Giladis, Baluchis,... The north-west is mostly people of turkish and scythe origin, the south-west mostly arab and Kurd.

Afghanistan doesn't have a significant persian minority. They have half pashtuns and the rest of the country, in the north and the east, is turkmen/uzbek/tadjik/...
 
In Pakistan we've developed our own dialect, it's evolved over 3/4th of a century. We actually mock the Bumbay/Bhojpuri dialect of Urdu/Hindi you guys speak.

Exactly, I've met people from UP and they speak how first generation "Muhajirs" speak in Karachi..

Its been 70 odd years since then and the lehja is completely different now..
 
Because it's Pakistan's next door neighbour, shares a long border, and does not threaten Pakistan, or provide safe havens for Taliban terrorists to cross over and plant bombs. And does not spend all it's time blaming Pakistan for it's own internal problems (unlike Pakistan's other neighbour to the west).

Interesting that you chose your view from one side of the coin only.
 
Because it's Pakistan's next door neighbour, shares a long border, and does not threaten Pakistan, or provide safe havens for Taliban terrorists to cross over and plant bombs. And does not spend all it's time blaming Pakistan for it's own internal problems (unlike Pakistan's other neighbour to the west).

Yeah just regularly Shells Your army.
 
You speak Purdu.

Have you also adopted the head bobbling of UP people?

Purdu? lol, you do know that not all or at least half of Pakistanis are Punjabi? I'm of a mixed ethnic background with more than just a couple languages spoken in my family, and by 'Purdu' if you mean Punjabi-influenced Urdu then yes it's true in central Punjab, otherwise every region of Pakistan has their own vernacular form of Urdu influenced by the local language but when I say the "Pakistani dialect", I speak of a Pan-Pakistani dialect spoken across the country not just limited to certain ethnic groups.

This is what I call Pakistani Urdu


and this is Kumar dialect


Headbobbing is a Pan-Indian trait Russel Peters has touched on this subject, fortunately we're immune to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUUSyD3QRI
 
I thought you might have imported head bobbling like Urdu language from Uttar Pradesh and Islam from Arabia.

Urdu was developed by invaders like i said before, which is why headbobbing Kumar Hindutvas think of it as an invader language, you guys might want to revert to the Madrasi dialect spoken by your Austronesian forebearers.
 
Arabs hate them because of Arab Persian rivalry. And also sectarianism is more influential in Arab states. Wahabi influence in Arab world has increased anti shia sentiment. Iran is the centre of Shia Islam. But reasons why Pakistanis love Iran is due to Irans anti western stance and their public animosity and condemnation of Israel. But many Pakistanis are caught in the middle now because Hezbollah and Iran are backing Assad who most Sunnis and most Pakistanis despise.

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Anything east of the Radcliffe is the same anyways

Yeah Indians might say oh we are from the North, oh we are from the South..

To me all of them seem like head wobbling veggie munchers..
 
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