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Why are people all of a sudden acting like Sarfraz Ahmed is a club-level wicket-keeper?

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I've seen people saying "Rizwan is a breath of fresh air", "Rizwan's keeping is much better", "Sarfraz makes the abysmal fielding unit look even worse", etc etc.

Why is this the case?

Sarfraz has been an above-par WK for us for time now, apart from his recent keeping to spinners in the AUS Tests.

He's taken some great catches and has been fairly athletic.

Why is he getting flak?
 
Ikr. Every keeper makes mistakes. Even Rizwan missed a stumping chance the other day and missed one down the leg side that went for four.
 
The keeping has always been adequate at best, we were ignoring it for the heaps of runs which he is no longer scoring
 
Sarfraz Ahmed is a club level keeper.

He's even worse than Matthew Wade who is barely a first class level keeper.
 
because we like to hype up players
1-2 performances = best in world
1-2 bad performances = worst in world
 
Sarfraz Ahmed is a club level keeper.

He's even worse than Matthew Wade who is barely a first class level keeper.

Shssssssss! not so harsh, people will get hurt. If say, today Sarfy joins a top club in Birmingham league - he'll definitely bat at 4; but are you sure they'll keep with him?
 
The keeping has always been adequate at best, we were ignoring it for the heaps of runs which he is no longer scoring

man he was top scorer in eng series from both sides, try again. And yeah rizwan keeping in these two matches have been excellent but a team like pak who is already light on batting can't afford a specialist keeper who bat like tailender, if rizwan can average even atleart 35 at atleast 90 strike rate on number 7 in this series i will be all to drop sarfraz for rizwan. Otherwise we have no option but to stick with sarfraz.
 
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Apart from the recent series, I don't remember him dropping LOTS of catches like people are making it look like.
 
He isn't in the team either ? What's the point of OP ?

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Bizarre post.

He obviously was in the team until last week and will continue to remain next series onwards.

Apart from the recent series, I don't remember him dropping LOTS of catches like people are making it look like.

Exactly my point.

Did you watch him keeping to the spinners in the Test series?

Yes, far more closely than you have read the OP.

Please see te 3rd "paragraph" of the OP.
 
Yes, far more closely than you have read the OP.

Please see te 3rd "paragraph" of the OP.

Relax, I missed that part. :uak

Anyway, my point was that if you saw the Tests then I don't see why you're asking this question. He was really very mediocre. Dropped catches, missed stumpings, you name it.

He normally misses chances every now and then but not in the manner he did in this Test series, it was a nightmare. Basically made it impossible for spinners to pick up wickets.
 
He's not that bad. Wayy better than Kamran Akmal. But despite this, I would like to see M.Rizwan given a decent chance in the ODI team. Even though he hasn't got any scores yet, he actually looks a decent batsman, and with more of a range than Sarfraz, who has been over-achieving with the bat in ODI's recently.

Rizwan would make a better no. 7 in ODI's than Sarfraz if given the time to settle. Sarfraz lacks the big shots, so can only bat at 5, and we have too many lower middle order batsmen as it is (Akmal, Malik, soon to be in the middle order Babar)
 
Relax, I missed that part. :uak

Anyway, my point was that if you saw the Tests then I don't see why you're asking this question. He was really very mediocre. Dropped catches, missed stumpings, you name it.

He normally misses chances every now and then but not in the manner he did in this Test series, it was a nightmare. Basically made it impossible for spinners to pick up wickets.

Okay but it's one Test series on unfamilar soil (Australia is always hell for us) where you can say that he actually struggled.

That doesn't mean he's a bad WK. He's bound to have a bad series too.
 
Sarfraz is no Healey but his keeping is acceptable considering the value that his batting brings.
 
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Bizarre post.

He obviously was in the team until last week and will continue to remain next series onwards.

well I guess to be honest you can explore regional biases here ? why are you opening the wounded topics ? Sarfaraz is From Karachi, I don't like to touch that sensitive thing...

To be honest Both Sarfaraz and Rizwan Batting + keeping is not getting Better.. Safi Captaincy mind is good, but people are or the Punjab side of people always hate Safi,

Remember Waqar+ Wasim Hate Safi Not to include match against Ireland in 2015 WC.. But now they appreciate it him and think him as next captain..

We need a Long tall, Muscle Guy like Gilly, Sangakarra, Or to be least like Dhoni.. these were the consistent keepers..

Sarfaraz is in Karachi taking care of her Mother... My Point to you is that why did you even start a Post; which is relevant not at this time.. like you play with fire ?
it's not even a sensible discussion..

Sarfaraz when come back deserve the right to be back in the team right away.. just like back in other impact player deserve to...

Rizwan took some catches but it doesn't mean he is good batsmen.. If he hit a century like dhoni, or did some fireworks in 1st ODI.. I will say don't include SAFi..
 
well I guess to be honest you can explore regional biases here ? why are you opening the wounded topics ? Sarfaraz is From Karachi, I don't like to touch that sensitive thing...

To be honest Both Sarfaraz and Rizwan Batting + keeping is not getting Better.. Safi Captaincy mind is good, but people are or the Punjab side of people always hate Safi,

Remember Waqar+ Wasim Hate Safi Not to include match against Ireland in 2015 WC.. But now they appreciate it him and think him as next captain..

We need a Long tall, Muscle Guy like Gilly, Sangakarra, Or to be least like Dhoni.. these were the consistent keepers..

Sarfaraz is in Karachi taking care of her Mother... My Point to you is that why did you even start a Post; which is relevant not at this time.. like you play with fire ?
it's not even a sensible discussion..

Sarfaraz when come back deserve the right to be back in the team right away.. just like back in other impact player deserve to...

Rizwan took some catches but it doesn't mean he is good batsmen.. If he hit a century like dhoni, or did some fireworks in 1st ODI.. I will say don't include SAFi..


Dude I didn't even mention regions, really don't know what you mean.

I opened this thread now as it's the most appropriate time: Rizwan is getting game time, and is keeping well, thus causing people to start criticizing Sarfraz (check around the forum).
 
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Lol all of those quoted remarks in the OP were in a post of mine. :srt
 
Because he pretty much is. Has been a horrible keeper for a while now which was/is overlooked because of his ability with the bat.
 
Yeah I'm sure quite a few came from you. :yk2



Please elaborate on the horrible part (asides from the AUS Test series)?

Why aside from the AUS test series? You can't just pick and choose? He was pretty horrible in the England series as well and has a knack of dropping crucial catches. If you can't seem to pick that up while watching him play, then I don't think any elaboration on my part will change your mind.
 
[MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] and if you really need evidence, a simple search on YouTube (type in "Sarfaraz Ahmed drop catch") will show you many examples of him dropping crucial catches. I would post the videos, but they will be taken down due to copyright issues.
 
Sarfraz never looked like a world class keeper. Keepers are tested when they play outside the home conditions and he exposed horribly in Australia, he had rough time in England.

He also has a belly, never looked fit, he is 27 years old, but looks more like 37 years old. When you compare him with Rashid and Moeen, he is fairly poor.

Only reason nobody talked about his keeping because of his A plus batting, which was not so good in down under as well.
 
He's an ok keeper but he has dropped some crucial chances. One that I remember was when a batsman top edged a ball so high in the air, Sarfraz started sprinting for it and then dropped it whilst dropping himself on all fours. I'd much rather have Rizwan in the field since his fielding is amazing.
 
overall in their careers thus far Rizwan has been the poorer of the two keepers. This series is the first time rizwan has done well consistently. Sarfraz's keeping isn't as bad as some people here suggest but he does need to be more consistent
 
how rizwan became better keeper just after 2 matches? Sarfraz has been keeping for more than 2 years now in all formats without missing a game . he hasnt been bad .
 
Because [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] and other blind Sarfraz fans think "he's not".

The reality is, HE IS! Everyone here knows I used to be his fan and defend him. But, I've seen what's he's doing now, and defending would be being biased.

He's a club level keeper now. Do you know why we lost the 1st Test? It was Kamran Akmal-esque Sarfraz losing us the Test, single-handedly!

He dropped the match when he dropped Smith.
 
overall in their careers thus far Rizwan has been the poorer of the two keepers. This series is the first time rizwan has done well consistently. Sarfraz's keeping isn't as bad as some people here suggest but he does need to be more consistent

how rizwan became better keeper just after 2 matches? Sarfraz has been keeping for more than 2 years now in all formats without missing a game . he hasnt been bad .

Sarfraz is bad now, but that doesn't make Rizwan any better. His keeping still doesn't give me confidence, and you can't expect him to keep in Tests esp. against spinners.

Rizwan is also a tailender with the bat.
 
Rizwan does get the whole ODI series to make his claim - if nothing else, he can ensure that he stays the default no. 2.

As far as batting is concerned - Sarfraz has a considerable advantage over Rizwan, and with our batting, it is very valuable asset for a WK. I wont be dropping Sarfraz any time soon.
 
Rizwan is a flawless keeper.

Hafeez is an ATG captain.

Junaid Khan is a world-class bowler.

:))

All of this from 1/2 matches. :ibutt
 
Rizwan should be keeper, Sarfraz can be tried as proper batsman.
 
His keeping has always been substandard at best, but it is being highlighted more because he is no longer hitting the same heights with the bat.
 
If rizwan continues to keep like that i will take him over sarfraz.
 
I think a big flaw of his keeping to pacers is being ignored by all/most posters here on PP because I haven't seen anyone bring it up.

A keeper is able to take catches in front of first slip, we all have seen that numerous times throughout our viewing experience. Sarfraz doesn't do that when a first slip is in place. He does go for the catch when there're no slips because he's more active in his mind and not relaxed that anything even a bit wide of him will land in the hands of a slip fielder.

During the Eng test series, he could've help out Amir by going for catches that went to Hafeez at first slip. There were also a few times the ball landed short of first slip, Sarfraz didn't attempt to catch those balls either. Almost every keeper takes a few catches in front of first slip but I've never seen Sarfraz attempt those catches for some reason. Even in this Aus series, he should've gone for a few catches that were headed in the direction of first slip but he didn't.



Regarding his overall keeping, this is the first series where his keeping can be categorized as "poor". If memory serves me right he dropped a grand total of 2 catches in 12 innings in England. The first being in the first test, and the other one in the first odi, both of Amir.

Rizwan's keeping was bad in the PSL. A keeper's real test is against the spinners and Rizwan hasn't satisfied me yet with regards to that aspect. Yes, he's taken catches off Imad Wasim's bowling in this series, but that's just 1 match. Flaws are revealed over time and a large sample size is needed to judge someone's quality. Sarfraz has been "satisfactory" with the gloves in the UAE and I don't remember him missing as many chances as he's done in this series. A few good matches by Rizwan shouldn't be enough for him to be considered better than Sarfraz, and one "bad" series shouldn't be enough to call Sarfraz a "club level keeper".

Sarfraz isn't the ideal WK/Batsman but that's the story with every Pakistani player, isn't it? If I have to pick between Sarfraz and Rizwan, I'll pick Sarfraz in every format because his batting is a big upgrade on Rizwan. Rizwan in the last 15 months hasn't played one innings of substance in whatever chances he's been awarded with. Rizwan is one match away from being labeled a "club level keeper", because that's the way Pakistani fans are.
 
Why aside from the AUS test series? You can't just pick and choose? He was pretty horrible in the England series as well and has a knack of dropping crucial catches. If you can't seem to pick that up while watching him play, then I don't think any elaboration on my part will change your mind.

Because [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] and other blind Sarfraz fans think "he's not".

The reality is, HE IS! Everyone here knows I used to be his fan and defend him. But, I've seen what's he's doing now, and defending would be being biased.

He's a club level keeper now. Do you know why we lost the 1st Test? It was Kamran Akmal-esque Sarfraz losing us the Test, single-handedly!

He dropped the match when he dropped Smith.

Not a blind fan of his by any stretch of imagination. Not picking and choosing; just impying that one bad series shouldn't define his keeping.

The following two posts basically show what I'm trying to say:

overall in their careers thus far Rizwan has been the poorer of the two keepers. This series is the first time rizwan has done well consistently. Sarfraz's keeping isn't as bad as some people here suggest but he does need to be more consistent

how rizwan became better keeper just after 2 matches? Sarfraz has been keeping for more than 2 years now in all formats without missing a game . he hasnt been bad .
 
Because his keeping is absolute dreadful. He has dropped some crucial chances recently which has cost us matches. He is a quality bat hence why he gets away with it but he needs to lose weight and become better with the gloves because we can't afford to have a keeper who drops crucial chances every series. That's unacceptable.
 
Rizwan is head and shoulders a better keeper than Sarfraz, more agile, fitter and quicker. However he is a complete and total HACK.

Sarfraz should replace Umar Akmal as pure batter. Rizwan is keeper and hide him away in lower order.
 
May I remind Sarfaraz fans that Sarfaraz seemed like a worse batsman than Rizwan when he first came on the scene. So don't be so eager to label people as "club level"
 
Neither Sarfy or Rizwan are even decent WK - first filter is that, they snatch the ball, doesn't glove it. It was mid 90s that stamp Micro was installed & I never hard Latif gathering balls, even from Sohaib. Now, even without stamp micro, spectators will hear Sarfy or Rizwan snatching the ball of Imad :( from stands.

Second filter is, Rizwan is extremely fit, perfect body shape, weight & naturally gifted athlete, so his reflexes are better & his body movement is faster; besides, he is few years younger. WK in AUS is easiest (If take WK as easy job), compared to Asia o UK where ball spins & swings late - hence Rizwan is looking decent - he'll drop half of the balls in UK, if it starts to wobble in air. All this actually tells what is Sarfu keeping.

Sarfraz seems to do better against pacers, because most posters don't know how to judge a WK. Last week, Mushi bunked keeping & Imrul took charge - and he collected 6 catches in one innings (& 30 bye/wides in 180 overs :(. Sarfu doesn't even attempt anything outside regulation - AND, he stands at least 2 yards behind for a perfect spot on any given wicket - hence many balls reach in 1st bounce to him. Ideal distance for a WK is when the ball is flat in trajectory, that's, it has finished the rise & now would go downwards (Knott used to stand in a spot that he could gather it on the rise - that's from John Snow, Jeff Arnold & Bob Willis; but no one is Allen Knott - his reflex was sharp & gather was silky smooth - stood on stamp for medium pacers).

Anyone can check - 50% balls Sarfy gathers with his fingers pointing ground - means he is standing far away - which affects PAK's slip catting as well. MoHa is a genius, one & only 1st Slip fielder in history with 50/50 sort of stats, but others in PAK slip cordon are decent, YK is far better than decent - but, they stand at least 2 yards behind - this alignment is done by WK, ideally 2nd slip stands parallel to WK - Sarfy stands too far away hence, we have seen too many 1st bounced ball at slips. And, he never covers 1st slip.

3rd - the best WK's I have seen actually gathers leg side balls in their inner gloves with a twisted body - that's if he misses, there is a chance that it rebounds of outer gloves or thigh to slip or short leg. For that, you need good anticipation, soft, nimble hands, extremely flexible waste, strong hamstring & quick feet - so that you can move outside the line of the ball. Most of the leg side balls Sarfy even can't touch with his left hand - because his structure is bottom heavy, low centre of gravity which can't move on toes & for his height, he is at least 10-12 KG over weight for a WK - NO WK, standing on heels will ever be able to take anything on leg side - Sarfy keeps against spinners with his body weight on heels. I can categorically tell that, with a months' training, at this age Latif will keep better than these two by some margin - because, his technique was sound, body shape was perfect for a WK & his anticipation was out standing - no WK can keep better than Latif against reverse swing - he hardly gave any bye to WW at their prime; Sarfy would have scored a 50 in every Test innings that crossed 100 overs.

PAK's best WK in recent years that I had seen few times in youtube was Jamal Anwar, by some margin. And, his structure is perfect for a WK. Sadly, he is not that good with bat & wasn't part of the stability philosophy. Even 2nd Akmal is not a good WK, but he is better than these 2.

There is one short term solution - Sarfu has to be trusted as WK & hope that he somehow manages a reasonable stats till 2019 WC (BUT not as Captain - he'll put 10KG more if he is made Captain). The only way, based on watching Rizwan in recent times after few weeks with Rixon is that - bring 4/5 genuine U23 WKs with good batting potential & train them under Rixon. He can chalk out the training schedule & improvement scopes for individuals - those who are hungry enough, will find their own way to apply Rixon's suggestions. One doesn't need 5 WKs - just 1 from such 10/12 boys is enough for a decade - that U19 WC kid is a fantastic prospect for a modern batting WK - very good batsman & a decent WK, in perfect shape & structure to invest on keeping; he should be immediately called as a back-up & made to tour with team under Rixon.
 
Rizwan may be a better keeper than Sarfaraz but is a horrible batsman. In today's cricket, you can't play a specialist keeper just for his keeping abilities. He needs to be a good batsman as well. This is where Sarfaraz is so valuable. He is a good batsman no matter what people say. His keeping is not that bad either. I don't see any reason for Sarfaraz to be dropped.
 
Sarfraz is bad now, but that doesn't make Rizwan any better. His keeping still doesn't give me confidence, and you can't expect him to keep in Tests esp. against spinners.

Rizwan is also a tailender with the bat.

I think Rizwan can do fine as a test batsman, its batting in the lower order in odis thats the problem
 
Sarfraz is just not good enough in Tests anymore - surprisingly his one day form has been much better.
 
He's visibly improved as a keeper.

In the CT he was arguably the best WK

But then again his problem was always consistency from series to series. Hope he maintains that now
 
Was very safe behind the stumps in CT with some superb takes.

Rizwan is a backup at best whilst "explosive and dynamic" Kami can stay home drinking water with his brother.
 
One or two bad matches, yes matches, and this thread will be bumped again

Only thing I can ask is that he improves his fitness.
 
Andddddd now the captain of Pakistani test team....... after winning the CT as a wicket keeping batsman, and he was outstanding as both..
 
One or two bad matches, yes matches, and this thread will be bumped again

Only thing I can ask is that he improves his fitness.

He has improved his fitness a lot since last year,when he was overweight and had a big tummy.Still not exactly at the level it needs to be.
 
He has improved his fitness a lot since last year,when he was overweight and had a big tummy.Still not exactly at the level it needs to be.

Exactly. And he's not the only one. We must attain high standards if we want to be the best.
 
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