Why Are Sex And Gender Seen As Two Different Things?

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For the record, I am neither right-wing nor left-wing. I am a centrist politically.

However, I put great emphasis on faith/religion because I believe things become nihilistic without faith.

It is also wrong to say I am anti-progressive. I support scientific progress. What I do not support is degenerate ideas like sexual liberation and other leftist nonsenses.

 

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Matt Walsh is right on the money here.

He has done a great job in highlighting absurdities of modern day gender studies and gender identity.

 

[Junaids]

When you throw around figures like this, hard to take you seriously.

You are the same guy who wrote Russia lost 20% of its troops in 2 days. You are the same guy who said Russia is not a nation state.

It is obvious by now all the figures you post are generally made out of thin air (not backed by any legitimate source). A lot of your comments are far-left nonsense and are just fake news.

I wonder what your fellow Conservative voters think about you when you say blasphemous things about mainstream Christianity.

It seems like you have an identity crisis. You support all the leftist policies but you claim to vote conservative. Something doesn't add up.

I took the precaution a few minutes ago of discussing the Adam and Eve story with a senior Anglican minister. He was incredulous that anybody would take it literally rather than as a metaphor.

Look above at [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]’s shock when you said that you think that Adam and Eve is a literal fact.

The problem that you have is that mainstream European Christianity, and especially Protestant and Methodist faith, has long ago recognised that the Bible has a context and an authorship and cannot be taken literally. It is a book of ancient metaphors which can guide us into good behaviour. And we can repent for bad behaviour that we regret.

That is how the Defender of the Faith can be an adulterer like Charles III.

 

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I took the precaution a few minutes ago of discussing the Adam and Eve story with a senior Anglican minister. He was incredulous that anybody would take it literally rather than as a metaphor.

Look above at [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]’s shock when you said that you think that Adam and Eve is a literal fact.

The problem that you have is that mainstream European Christianity, and especially Protestant and Methodist faith, has long ago recognised that the Bible has a context and an authorship and cannot be taken literally. It is a book of ancient metaphors which can guide us into good behaviour. And we can repent for bad behaviour that we regret.

That is how the Defender of the Faith can be an adulterer like Charles III.

Maybe the minister you talked to has blasphemous views. One of those "reformed" heretics.

Or, maybe you just made it up like the imaginary stats you regularly post.

Anyway. I am not a Christian. I am a Muslim. We Muslims believe a lot of Bible teachings got corrupted over the years. Original Bible is lost.

Back to topic. What do you think about Matt Walsh?

 

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I took the precaution a few minutes ago of discussing the Adam and Eve story with a senior Anglican minister. He was incredulous that anybody would take it literally rather than as a metaphor.

Look above at [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]’s shock when you said that you think that Adam and Eve is a literal fact.

The problem that you have is that mainstream European Christianity, and especially Protestant and Methodist faith, has long ago recognised that the Bible has a context and an authorship and cannot be taken literally. It is a book of ancient metaphors which can guide us into good behaviour. And we can repent for bad behaviour that we regret.

That is how the Defender of the Faith can be an adulterer like Charles III.

If that minister truly said that Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are metaphors, he is an apostate. If you agree with him, you are an apostate too.

Also, it doesn't matter to me if Robert is shocked at my statement. He seems spiritually confused. One day, he says he is an atheist/agnostic. Another day, he posts Bible verses. He also believes in "magick". I honestly do not know what his faith is.

Furthermore, you make it seem like only you can access Christian preachers. I have seen Christian videos and they all believe in official Adam and Eve narrative. Disbelieving in it is apostasy in all 3 Abrahamic religions.

 

[Junaids]

If that minister truly said that Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are metaphors, he is an apostate. If you agree with him, you are an apostate too.

Also, it doesn't matter to me if Robert is shocked at my statement. He seems spiritually confused. One day, he says he is an atheist/agnostic. Another day, he posts Bible verses. He also believes in "magick". I honestly do not know what his faith is.

Furthermore, you make it seem like only you can access Christian preachers. I have seen Christian videos and they all believe in official Adam and Eve narrative. Disbelieving in it is apostasy in all 3 Abrahamic religions.

Believe me, no mainstream western Christian would dream of using the word “apostate” - it’s use is considered to denote that the user is a religious fundamentalist bigot.

You are confusing the extremist evangelical Christianity lunatic fringe movement in the USA with mainstream Christianity - and they are opposites.

Across the western world, 98% of Christians are sexually active before marriage. Either they are terrible sinners, or they are the mainstream and the traditionalists are now the fringe dwellers.

Christianity is about love and tolerance. It’s quite quaint that you from a different religion still hold on to literal beliefs that Reform Jews and Mainstream Christians have abandoned as false and backward. But please don’t think that we are the exception on our religion because we are not - we are the mainstream.

I repeat, King Charles is the official Defender of the Faith and head of the Anglican Church.

We all know that he slept with Camilla when he was single, that he did it when she was married to the Silver Stick in Waiting and when he was married to Diana.

But we could consider that he is human and that virtually all of us - literally 98% - have had sex outside marriage too. And, John 8:7 tells us that we are all sinners and should not criticise others for their sins.

It’s also why I won’t join the bandwagon persecuting the poor souls who are born in the wrong body. You obviously can and do, but I won’t.

 

[Major]

Disappointingly, I agree with you too on almost everything apart from Misbah-ul-Haq!

This OP lives in a lovely black and white world, untroubled by reality.

To him, God invented laws two millenia ago. They are miraculously equally applicable to a modern context now as to primitive uneducated humans 2000 years ago.

The fact that the scriptures were documented by ignorant humans with zero scientific understanding does not make this OP question whether they are 100% accurate for every situation in every era. He also relies on interpretations by current and ancient clerics whose knowledge of the world beyond their own religion is very close to non-existent.

There would not even be 5% of Anglican (Protestant) clerics who believe that Adam and Eve is a literal story. But the OP does.

At the moment in the USA we have seen the far-right MAGA movement work out that an ignorant uneducated subgroup of Christians can be manipulated politically by their devotion to religious scripture and their hatred of abortion.

Donald Trump shares virtually none of their beliefs or values, but he has learned what motivates them.

- The precious lives of unborn babies.
- Making life revolve around faith.
- Law and order (except when MAGA supporters would be subject to it).
- Shocking them with extreme stories of wokery.

The gender nonsense is a perfect example of concocting imaginary scandals to belittle your opponents as crazily woke.

Being transgender is a tragic existence for the tiny number of people affected by that plight. But hardly anybody falls into that category. It's an exaggerated, imaginary problem.

Caster Semanya is almost certainly resistant to the massive amounts of male hormone that she has, so her penis never developed and she was left with a vaginal orifice. But she has no ovaries and almost certainly has testes in her abdomen.

That's not a stick to beat the poor woman with. It's a terrible tragedy for her, not a victory for crazy woke liberals.

If I had to put on a scale of 1 to 100 who is the biggest menace to society, I would do it as follows:

People who support Russia versus Ukraine, or advocate the west staying out of it - Menace Level 100/100.
People who believe in Patriarchy - Menace Level 90/100.
White conservatives who just overturned Roe v Wade in the USA - Menace Level 70/100.
People who are transgender - Menace level 0/100.

Top post and i agree eith everything you said.

Now adays to get your point accross all you need to say is these liberals. I find it funny that how badly society has fallen that being open minded is frowned upon.

Half of these people probably dont know what liberalism stand for

 

[Robert]

I wonder what your fellow Conservative voters think about you when you say blasphemous things about mainstream Christianity.

It seems like you have an identity crisis. You support all the leftist policies but you claim to vote conservative. Something doesn't add up.

Interesting that you equate Christianity with conservatism. That isn’t true in UK, and I expect in Australia too. There are plenty of Christian socialists and liberals, and not a few atheist conservatives.

 

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Top post and i agree eith everything you said.

Now adays to get your point accross all you need to say is these liberals. I find it funny that how badly society has fallen that being open minded is frowned upon.

Half of these people probably dont know what liberalism stand for

Wait a minute. Did you just agree with him that Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are metaphorical figures? That's exactly what he wrote.

Being openminded doesn't mean you approve of anything and everything. Would you approve of beastiality in order to show you are openminded? Answer should be no.

If you don't see the fact liberalism has been hijacked by radical and abnormal leftists, you have a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Robert]

Top post and i agree eith everything you said.

Now adays to get your point accross all you need to say is these liberals. I find it funny that how badly society has fallen that being open minded is frowned upon.

Half of these people probably dont know what liberalism stand for

It’s the religious mindset. They tend to think in opposites. Good vs evil, God vs Devil, Prophet vs Dajjal. So they only have two small mental boxes to put ideas in, and think that liberalism and conservatism are opposites. Yet there are people who are fiscal conservatives and social liberals, such as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. Such people have bigger mental boxes and more than just two of them. [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] does not comprehend that there can be more than two big boxes, so he calls liberals confused, because they see a much wider map than he does. All he sees is one corner of the map with two little boxes on it. If he were to see the whole map, he would become frightened and lost. He needs his two little boxes and the map of his rigid rulebook to navigate through life.
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] should read the liberal philosophers, and understand how they have written much of the source code of Western society. That would start to break down the two small mental boxes and replace them with bigger boxes.

 

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Another contribution of gender studies.

This is scarier than any horror movie.

 

[Robert]

If that minister truly said that Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are metaphors, he is an apostate. If you agree with him, you are an apostate too.

Also, it doesn't matter to me if Robert is shocked at my statement. He seems spiritually confused. One day, he says he is an atheist/agnostic. Another day, he posts Bible verses. He also believes in "magick". I honestly do not know what his faith is.

Apostate is a redundant term in Western Christianity. There are Bishops who don’t believe in a literal Resurrection of Christ, never mind Adam and Eve. They would consider those to be a metaphor for the first self-aware humans that evolved from simpler primates. Metaphors are stories to live by. I very much doubt that there was ever a literal Good Samaritan, but the story tells us to be kind to foreigners.

I seems confused to you because my mental map is bigger than yours. You only see a corner of my map. Better not stray off your corner. You might meet a dragon.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

For the benefit of the OP.

I went to Church yesterday and gave thanks to my sovereign and the Defender of the Faith.

I don’t believe in Adam and Eve.

I don’t believe in the virgin birth.

I don’t believe in the Resurrection.

I believe that good men told stories to try to get uneducated bad men to behave better. I think the idea of doing your best is important.

But I don’t believe in fairy tales documented by uneducated disciples years after the event, and translated across multiple languages.

And I absolutely do not recognise that any cleric has the right or the competence to enforce his interpretation of scriptures upon me. I consider myself to be better educated and smarter than any religious scholar that I have ever met, and I see no reason why I would even consider taking orders from a religious scholar.

 

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[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

For the benefit of the OP.

I went to Church yesterday and gave thanks to my sovereign and the Defender of the Faith.

I don’t believe in Adam and Eve.

I don’t believe in the virgin birth.

I don’t believe in the Resurrection.

I believe that good men told stories to try to get uneducated bad men to behave better. I think the idea of doing your best is important.

But I don’t believe in fairy tales documented by uneducated disciples years after the event, and translated across multiple languages.

And I absolutely do not recognise that any cleric has the right or the competence to enforce his interpretation of scriptures upon me. I consider myself to be better educated and smarter than any religious scholar that I have ever met, and I see no reason why I would even consider taking orders from a religious scholar.

In that case, you are not a Christian.

Anyway. You are going off-topic.

This is a gender thread.

 

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I consider myself to be better educated and smarter than any religious scholar that I have ever met ...

I expect this type of bragging from someone like Kim Kardashian. It is remarkable that a grown up man writes like this.

 

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[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], what do you think about this?

This man is saying the same thing I was saying earlier.

 

[Junaids]

I expect this type of bragging from someone like Kim Kardashian. It is remarkable that a grown up man writes like this.

If a religious scholar - or you - has an understanding of embryology and endocrinology like I got at medical school, then I will respect his or her right to express an informed opinion about gender and transgender in particular.

If not, then I’m awfully sorry but such people are not qualified to express an opinion compared with myself, who has a medical degree.

I’m not showing off, I’m just explaining why some people’s opinions about specialist subjects are less qualified and worth less than others.

 

[Major]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], what do you think about this?

This man is saying the same thing I was saying earlier.

Im not gonna watch the video.

Plz dont make threads where you act like you are curious when you are not.

You yourself have said you dont believe in these topics yet you make threads posing as questions when they turn out to be rehtorical.

Like i said if you geniuenly interested study them in uni. If you are gonna put them down than why even make threads on them with no purpose

 

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Im not gonna watch the video.

Plz dont make threads where you act like you are curious when you are not.

You yourself have said you dont believe in these topics yet you make threads posing as questions when they turn out to be rehtorical.

Like i said if you geniuenly interested study them in uni. If you are gonna put them down than why even make threads on them with no purpose

Purpose of making thread is discussion. We are discussing.

You don't want to watch because it can challenge your belief.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], what do you think about this?

This man is saying the same thing I was saying earlier.

Roger Scruton abandoned a Natural Sciences degree to study Philosophy instead.

He was not qualified to express opinions about science.

And by his death he was a laughing stock within British academia because he was such a cartoon conservative that his views on sex made him a figure of fun.

You have this incredible ability to post videos by Incels and far-right nutjobs. Can’t you post something by someone who is respected?

 

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Roger Scruton abandoned a Natural Sciences degree to study Philosophy instead.

He was not qualified to express opinions about science.

And by his death he was a laughing stock within British academia because he was such a cartoon conservative that his views on sex made him a figure of fun.

Focus on the message. Not the messenger.

You have this incredible ability to post videos by Incels and far-right nutjobs. Can’t you post something by someone who is respected?

Respected by who? Leftist crowd?

 

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He was not qualified to express opinions about science.

Also, when did gender studies become science? It is pseudoscience backed by leftist political agendas.

You are making it sound like gender studies is similar to physics, chemistry, and biology.

 

[Sidilicious]

Purpose of making thread is discussion. We are discussing.

You don't want to watch because it can challenge your belief.

And what is the purpose of discussion? To gain knowledge and understand someone else’s point of view, and even be open for change if the argument makes sense.

You, on the other hand have shown no interest in gaining knowledge or understanding someone else’s point of view.

 

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And what is the purpose of discussion? To gain knowledge and understand someone else’s point of view, and even be open for change if the argument makes sense.

You, on the other hand have shown no interest in gaining knowledge or understanding someone else’s point of view.

I am seeing how others think regarding this topic. That's why I made this thread.

I have interest in gaining good knowledge. Not leftist junk.

 

[Robert]

Both religion and science compliment each other.

They are antithetical. One relies on belief without proof, the other on proof.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

For the benefit of the OP.

I went to Church yesterday and gave thanks to my sovereign and the Defender of the Faith.

I don’t believe in Adam and Eve.

I don’t believe in the virgin birth.

I don’t believe in the Resurrection.

I believe that good men told stories to try to get uneducated bad men to behave better. I think the idea of doing your best is important.

But I don’t believe in fairy tales documented by uneducated disciples years after the event, and translated across multiple languages.

And I absolutely do not recognise that any cleric has the right or the competence to enforce his interpretation of scriptures upon me. I consider myself to be better educated and smarter than any religious scholar that I have ever met, and I see no reason why I would even consider taking orders from a religious scholar.

This!

Pretty much my overall position too. Except I only attend church at "hatchings, matchings and despatchings".

 

[Robert]

Nope. You do not live in North America. You are in Australia. You have no idea how stupid this issue is becoming over here.

Again, what they do is not my business. But, when these stuffs get shoved down everyone's throat (gender pronouns and stuffs), it is problematic.

Check this video to understand what I am trying to say:

Prof Peterson just doesn't like feeling controlled, I think.

Curious that Muslims expect respect for their faith and want to limit others' freedom of speech concerning it, yet you personally uphold your freedom of speech regarding other people' pronouns.

I wouldn't insult anyone's Prophet and am quite happy to refer to trans- and nonbinary people at they/them if they want me to. It's simply showing respect and compassion in both cases.

 

[SalimBhai]

Why are you boosting bill Walsh. He is a troll.

 

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Why are you boosting bill Walsh. He is a troll.

Bill Walsh or Matt Walsh?

What's wrong with Matt Walsh? So, if I post his videos, I am a troll?

Check his videos. It seems like you haven't seen much of him.

 

[SalimBhai]

Matt Walsh. And he is a troll

 

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Prof Peterson just doesn't like feeling controlled, I think.

Curious that Muslims expect respect for their faith and want to limit others' freedom of speech concerning it, yet you personally uphold your freedom of speech regarding other people' pronouns.

I wouldn't insult anyone's Prophet and am quite happy to refer to trans- and nonbinary people at they/them if they want me to. It's simply showing respect and compassion in both cases.

Wrong analogy.

Religion is not the same as gender pronouns. For example, I obviously do not like polytheism and idols. But, I don't go around Hindus and harass them.

On the other hand, these pronouns stuffs are simply unnecessary. It is not just they/them but you have a whole bunch of new ones too. You can check the full list here: https://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/.

Who has time to remember these pronouns in a work/school setting? These are unnecessary and counterproductive.

 

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Matt Walsh. And he is a troll

If he is a troll, so are you.

For the record, this is Matt Walsh:

Matthew David Walsh is an American right-wing political commentator and author. Walsh hosts The Matt Walsh Show podcast and is a columnist for The Daily Wire. He has authored four books and starred in The Daily Wire documentary What Is a Woman?

You are exactly like those radical gender studies folks. You are not interested in facts; only narratives.

 

[Robert]

Wrong analogy.

Religion is not the same as gender pronouns. For example, I obviously do not like polytheism and idols. But, I don't go around Hindus and harass them.

On the other hand, these pronouns stuffs are simply unnecessary. It is not just they/them but you have a whole bunch of new ones too. You can check the full list here: https://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/.

Whereas trans-people and feminists are not harassing you. It's all the same - respect for identity.

Who has time to remember these pronouns in a work/school setting? These are unnecessary and counterproductive.

Me. It's easy. People put them after their names on Teams and Zoom. Takes no time.

 

[SalimBhai]

Delete

 

[SalimBhai]

I am not a troll. Also what’s the thing with gender studies . I think we have made it clear what percentage they actually are each get out of 2.2 degrees. You have the same talking pinpoints as Matt Walsh the joker. He is obsessed with gender studies also.

 

[SalimBhai]

If he is a troll, so are you.

For the record, this is Matt Walsh:



You are exactly like those radical gender studies folks. You are not interested in facts; only narratives.

Regarding facts and narrative . I think facts were provided to you how the women have done in the west vs Muslim countries. Figures were given. Links were given to the United Nations website But that does not fit your narrative. So you ignore them.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Another term should be thought up instead of "they".

The grammar is just too hard to stomach when using "they" in many circumstances.

 

[SalimBhai]

Another term should be thought up instead of "they".

The grammar is just too hard to stomach when using "they" in many circumstances.

hahahhahaha. so true. Pick something else. " They " makes no sense grammatically.