Why are some Indians hell-bent on removing Virat Kohli as ODI captain?

[criclover2311]

Understandable for t20is since it can be platform for youngsters and Rohit can handle it, it will free Kohli of some burden so he can focus on odi and tests.
Way I see Rohit and youngsters for t20, ipl talent and so, they can form whole new team, it can become grooming stage for tests and odis. Odis and tests are more closely related than odis and t20s, most youngsters cant play big innings or sustain 10 overs, as we saw in odi series ind vs srilanka.
Importantly you cannot just remove Virat, it will be an insult to him and he will lose alot of importance and attention captaining just tests, this will bring huge effect to his batting and test captaincy as well, moreover it will create divisions and politics in dressing room. Why is management best on creating issue from nothing, theyre best team going around and want to mess with it. Rohit is 36 Virat is 33 I dont see any reason for creating captaincy issue here, let it be like this, at best if there's issue in icc tournaments give Rohit more powers as vice captain.
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[Varun]

Where has Virat been removed from ODI captaincy?

 

[Ab Fan]

Split captaincy in LOIs is not worth a go.

Also, Virat has been disappointing as a LOI captain. It makes sense to replace him with Rohit from limited overs captaincy.

 

[Dingolfy]

Understandable for t20is since it can be platform for youngsters and Rohit can handle it, it will free Kohli of some burden so he can focus on odi and tests.
Way I see Rohit and youngsters for t20, ipl talent and so, they can form whole new team, it can become grooming stage for tests and odis. Odis and tests are more closely related than odis and t20s, most youngsters cant play big innings or sustain 10 overs, as we saw in odi series ind vs srilanka.
Importantly you cannot just remove Virat, it will be an insult to him and he will lose alot of importance and attention captaining just tests, this will bring huge effect to his batting and test captaincy as well, moreover it will create divisions and politics in dressing room. Why is management best on creating issue from nothing, theyre best team going around and want to mess with it. Rohit is 36 Virat is 33 I dont see any reason for creating captaincy issue here, let it be like this, at best if there's issue in icc tournaments give Rohit more powers as vice captain.
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Didn’t India won ODI series in Srilanka with the performances of youngsters like Prithvi Shaw and Ishan Kishan? Even Deepak Chahar who won the second match is below 30.

 

[Mesozoic]

Because Rohit Sharma is a better captain. Atleast in white ball cricket. He should have got the white ball captaincy post the 2019 wc debacle but it's never too late. He should and will most definitely captain us until the 2024 T20 wc.

 

[Marathonrunner]

Rohit is cool and calm as well plus he has the Midas touch of winning those crucial tosses

 

[criclover2311]

There are talks from board and selectors

 

[criclover2311]

Where has Virat been removed from ODI captaincy?

There are talks from board and selectors. Almost confirmed from big sources that he is set to be removed whether before sa or wi series but it is done.

 

[criclover2311]

Rohit is cool and calm as well plus he has the Midas touch of winning those crucial tosses

Then give him more say as vice captain, not a good decision to remove star player like Virat unless due to form for petty reasons, he is decent odi captain and great test match captain(according to modern standards-fast bowerls captain, attacking captain).

This petty reason will divide the dressing room plus Virat might just slow down, India still needs him in tests. Let him resign after 2023 wc on his own terms, why disturb him.

 

[criclover2311]

Split captaincy in LOIs is not worth a go.

Also, Virat has been disappointing as a LOI captain. It makes sense to replace him with Rohit from limited overs captaincy.

He is decent, Rohit is not Dhoni either, just give Rohit more say as vice captain in hope to amend knockouts failures, bilaterally Kohli has won almost all in season and home.

But even say certain individuals have likeliness or preferences, India still needs Virat to be at his best in Tests, team is nowhere without him as captain. He reigns his fast bowlers, keeps the team on front always attacking. Otherwise India will go back to Boring spinner sessions with odd zaheer khan as we saw in 1st test vs nz.
They cannot risk this by upsetting him.

 

[Napa]

Importantly you cannot just remove Virat, it will be an insult to him and he will lose alot of importance and attention captaining just tests, this will bring huge effect to his batting and test captaincy as well, moreover it will create divisions and politics in dressing room.

There has to be accountability. A captain cannot just keep losing big tournaments and keep his captaincy. At some point he needs to go if his bad decisions cost India games.

For example, the CT final team selection was absurd. Umesh who was India's top bowlers in the group game against Pakistan with figures of 7.4-1-30-3 was dropped and Ashwin brought into the team. Ashwin's figures for the final were 10-0-70-0.

Similarly, the team selection for the WTC final was bad. It seemed that the coach and the captain didn't select the proper batsmen and get the ready to play in conditions that everybody knew will be challenging.

Maybe another captain and coach would have had similar results, but this is just another example of the "principal-agent problem".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal–agent_problem

Poor performance must be penalized, even if it is not "fair" to do so.

Giving Rohit "more say" won't work, there has to be one captain and one coach making the decisions for which they must also to be held accountable.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

T20 wc moved to UAE...
Loosing Tosses..
Kohli missed golden opportunity.

Our next wc at home and Rohit will bring some luck.

 

[criclover2311]

There has to be accountability. A captain cannot just keep losing big tournaments and keep his captaincy. At some point he needs to go if his bad decisions cost India games.

For example, the CT final team selection was absurd. Umesh who was India's top bowlers in the group game against Pakistan with figures of 7.4-1-30-3 was dropped and Ashwin brought into the team. Ashwin's figures for the final were 10-0-70-0.

Similarly, the team selection for the WTC final was bad. It seemed that the coach and the captain didn't select the proper batsmen and get the ready to play in conditions that everybody knew will be challenging.

Maybe another captain and coach would have had similar results, but this is just another example of the "principal-agent problem".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal–agent_problem

Poor performance must be penalized, even if it is not "fair" to do so.

Giving Rohit "more say" won't work, there has to be one captain and one coach making the decisions for which they must also to be held accountable.

Still only most stubborn one would pin these losses on Kohli alone, many captains have made such blunders like Wasim toss in 1999 final, Inzi toss champions trophy, catch drops which cost trophies. Dhoni also failed to reach semis 2012 and lost final and semis in 2014 and 2016, I dont see any criticism on his decisions. A lot of luck is involved in knockout matches, players form, pressure. Anyhow still any of these individual captain faults can be minimalized with Dravid and Rohit on board having say in decisions but I dont see this as big enough reason to degrade Kohli mentally.
In recent t20 wc was it fault of captain? It does not works like this, Then how did Australia won? Its a XI player game. Few knockouts failures, its as if public thinks India deserves to win trophies on trot just because they have upped their talent factory to level which sena nations had already in place since years.

 

[Napa]

Still only most stubborn one would pin these losses on Kohli alone, many captains have made such blunders like Wasim toss in 1999 final, Inzi toss champions trophy, catch drops which cost trophies. Dhoni also failed to reach semis 2012 and lost final and semis in 2014 and 2016, I dont see any criticism on his decisions. A lot of luck is involved in knockout matches, players form, pressure. Anyhow still any of these individual captain faults can be minimalized with Dravid and Rohit on board having say in decisions but I dont see this as big enough reason to degrade Kohli mentally.
In recent t20 wc was it fault of captain? It does not works like this, Then how did Australia won? Its a XI player game. Few knockouts failures, its as if public thinks India deserves to win trophies on trot just because they have upped their talent factory to level which sena nations had already in place since years.

The question for you would be: Why keep Kohli?

Kohli has failed on a couple of occasions. Rahane did much better than him as a captain in Australia. Kohli has a very poor record as an IPL captain, Rohit has done much better. When India is under pressure in LOIs, Kohli does seem to lose his nerve and know not what to do. I won't say Kohli's personality is really what you want in a captain. He is aggressive, but a captain should rather be calm and determined.

Captaincy is nobody's personal property. Maybe another captain would also have done as badly as Kohli. But it is time to find out. Overall India has done well in Tests, but Kohli has fantastic resources for India's Test team.

 

[globalcitizen]

Understandable for t20is since it can be platform for youngsters and Rohit can handle it, it will free Kohli of some burden so he can focus on odi and tests.
Way I see Rohit and youngsters for t20, ipl talent and so, they can form whole new team, it can become grooming stage for tests and odis. Odis and tests are more closely related than odis and t20s, most youngsters cant play big innings or sustain 10 overs, as we saw in odi series ind vs srilanka.
Importantly you cannot just remove Virat, it will be an insult to him and he will lose alot of importance and attention captaining just tests, this will bring huge effect to his batting and test captaincy as well, moreover it will create divisions and politics in dressing room. Why is management best on creating issue from nothing, theyre best team going around and want to mess with it. Rohit is 36 Virat is 33 I dont see any reason for creating captaincy issue here, let it be like this, at best if there's issue in icc tournaments give Rohit more powers as vice captain.
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Because they think virat is unlucky with tosses. They are ok with his captaincy in general. just some low level thinking haters who don't understand what it takes to be at top of your game in any field. India has not done well in icc tournaments and entire blame falls on captain and his performances are ignored

 

[Ab Fan]

He is decent, Rohit is not Dhoni either, just give Rohit more say as vice captain in hope to amend knockouts failures, bilaterally Kohli has won almost all in season and home.

But even say certain individuals have likeliness or preferences, India still needs Virat to be at his best in Tests, team is nowhere without him as captain. He reigns his fast bowlers, keeps the team on front always attacking. Otherwise India will go back to Boring spinner sessions with odd zaheer khan as we saw in 1st test vs nz.
They cannot risk this by upsetting him.

This sounds more like a Kohli fan boy type whinning rather than a healthy discussion. Suggesting that Rohit will also flop as captain in knockout without even giving him chance is quite absurd. Rohit led MI to five IPL titles while Kohli has taken RCB to zero titles. This itself tells us how Kohli has flopped as LOI captain.

In Test cricket, Virat is fine as captain and I have always rated him highly there. The problem is limited overs and that is where all the discussions are going around where his selection and tactics have been atrocious to say the least and also the bad luck that he brings with tosses. The results in ICC tournaments are there to say all we have to know.

Furthermore, you simply can't have split captaincy in limited overs. A lot of selections and decisions made across these two formats is very similar and a conflict can arise very easily with two different captains leading T20s and ODIs hence it should be the same person taking that role. In tests, it is a different ball game and you can afford another captain for it.

 

[criclover2311]

The question for you would be: Why keep Kohli?

Kohli has failed on a couple of occasions. Rahane did much better than him as a captain in Australia. Kohli has a very poor record as an IPL captain, Rohit has done much better. When India is under pressure in LOIs, Kohli does seem to lose his nerve and know not what to do. I won't say Kohli's personality is really what you want in a captain. He is aggressive, but a captain should rather be calm and determined.

Captaincy is nobody's personal property. Maybe another captain would also have done as badly as Kohli. But it is time to find out. Overall India has done well in Tests, but Kohli has fantastic resources for India's Test team.

Players especially one like Kohli are not robots, that board can put them when they want and remove them when they want. It has to be done in mutual consent. India needs Kohli more than Kohli needs India, he already has achieved much on field, what will he gain from making hard yards playing without leadership. He might continue playing but with same passion and effort? This man desires limelight, to ask him to play in odis and be the second third guy wont go down well with him, and with test captaincy alone he loses limelight from public and eventually few bad results and his test captaincy will also be at call.

What I am saying is, I dont see big enough reason to remove him from Odi captaincy especially put at stake Indian test team future. No Rahane or Rohit does not have batting, wits, or influence in tests as Kohli.

 

[Napa]

India needs Kohli more than Kohli needs India, he already has achieved much on field, what will he gain from making hard yards playing without leadership.
No Rahane or Rohit does not have batting, wits, or influence in tests as Kohli.

Actually India went from 0-1 to 2-1 against Australia for its possibly greatest Test series victory (after beating WI in WI in the early 1970s) after Kohli went home.

You massively overestimate Kohli's importance to the Indian team. India has no shortage of batting talent, though Kolhi does remain one of India's top batsmen. Poor results should have consequences. Ganguly is not one to suffer failure gladly.

 

[criclover2311]

This sounds more like a Kohli fan boy type whinning rather than a healthy discussion. Suggesting that Rohit will also flop as captain in knockout without even giving him chance is quite absurd. Rohit led MI to five IPL titles while Kohli has taken RCB to zero titles. This itself tells us how Kohli has flopped as LOI captain.

In Test cricket, Virat is fine as captain and I have always rated him highly there. The problem is limited overs and that is where all the discussions are going around where his selection and tactics have been atrocious to say the least and also the bad luck that he brings with tosses. The results in ICC tournaments are there to say all we have to know.

Furthermore, you simply can't have split captaincy in limited overs. A lot of selections and decisions made across these two formats is very similar and a conflict can arise very easily with two different captains leading T20s and ODIs hence it should be the same person taking that role. In tests, it is a different ball game and you can afford another captain for it.

IPL is never benchmark to define captaincy, IPL has captain focus for a mere month, which he spends mostly preparing himself as batsman, IPL team are mostly run by management, most selections foreign picks, what does Kohli knows about the foreign players RCB management keeps picking.

Virat Kohli leadership skills were already shown on how he built test team and he ran it, every captain has few weakness not denying it, but eventually for India it paid off both in tests and LOIS. Only reason to remove him from t20 team is to reduce burden and groom youngsters in that format, he was going to retire after 2023 ODI WC anyways given talent pool India is getting.

As for Limited overs captaincy, check the bilateral record especially in SENAS, I see a record better than Dhoni, tactically he might have little disadvantage but what's the coach and VC for? But his strengths tower over weakness , Why didnt Dhoni won ODI series in Sena in dominant manner not one off series in south africa. Now that Kohli has infused the mentality in the team using resources such as IPL bharut arun e.t.c, you want to replace him with slightly more tactical man to have better results in knockouts, understandable but what youre saying is completely misprinted "Problem is limited overs, selection and tactics", tactical weakness can be amended by dressing room planning, having a VC on field, not letting him be dictator in tactical planning which is mostly done in dressing room which he and Shastri did, now you've Rohit Dravid and Kohli.
But still to take a team from a man for few tactical faults at cruical stages nonetheless, is most foolish not even Football clubs do that, you look at overall team performance, mentality, display . Ok team is built, it appears easier for Rohit to take reigns continue with this ready made product, but it would be an insult to Kohli, now if was in his twilight of career you could've kicked him, but India still needs him in tests at his best, and I dont think he'll be same after this betrayal for foolish reasons.

 

[globalcitizen]

Understandable for t20is since it can be platform for youngsters and Rohit can handle it, it will free Kohli of some burden so he can focus on odi and tests.
Way I see Rohit and youngsters for t20, ipl talent and so, they can form whole new team, it can become grooming stage for tests and odis. Odis and tests are more closely related than odis and t20s, most youngsters cant play big innings or sustain 10 overs, as we saw in odi series ind vs srilanka.
Importantly you cannot just remove Virat, it will be an insult to him and he will lose alot of importance and attention captaining just tests, this will bring huge effect to his batting and test captaincy as well, moreover it will create divisions and politics in dressing room. Why is management best on creating issue from nothing, theyre best team going around and want to mess with it. Rohit is 36 Virat is 33 I dont see any reason for creating captaincy issue here, let it be like this, at best if there's issue in icc tournaments give Rohit more powers as vice captain.
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Actually India went from 0-1 to 2-1 against Australia for its possibly greatest Test series victory (after beating WI in WI in the early 1970s) after Kohli went home.

You massively overestimate Kohli's importance to the Indian team. India has no shortage of batting talent, though Kolhi does remain one of India's top batsmen. Poor results should have consequences. Ganguly is not one to suffer failure gladly.

Kohli might not be scoring big runs as before. just look at the last test match against England. His 50s and 40s innings kept india in the match and eventually they won. You cannot say kohli is not adding value that's absurd. But india has good batting reserves but they should grow around kohli and not without his experience

 

[happydavy]

I think its Kohli's attitude more than anything. You can run the team from selection to strategy single handedly only when you are winning everything, with Kohli he wanted to have full command but hasn't been able to deliver on any ICC trophy, and i think people are getting impatient with him now.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Kohli made India a ruthless ODI side that won consistently away too. but he does lack a bit of tactical nous in crunch situations. If you come to think of it, Kohli has made us an all-conditions ODI side, now we just need a captain who can ace it in close-games. Especially knock-outs. So Kohli to Rohit isn't really a bad move.

 

[Napa]

Kohli might not be scoring big runs as before. just look at the last test match against England. His 50s and 40s innings kept india in the match and eventually they won. You cannot say kohli is not adding value that's absurd. But india has good batting reserves but they should grow around kohli and not without his experience

1. I wrote "Kolhi does remain one of India's top batsmen".

2. Last Test against England (totals), Kohli scored 94, Thakur 117, and Rohit 138. Yes, Kohli had a contribution but not the biggest by any stretch. In fact, the batsman who kept India in the match was Thakur who came in at 117/6 and proceeded to hammer the English bowlers.

3. Kohli is a batsman. But there are a lot of Iyers, Agarwals, Thakurs etc. who will score the runs India needs to win. Kohli as a captain is subpar, as can also be seen from his IPL record, besides the atrocious team selection for the CT and WTC finals.

 

[Napa]

1. I wrote "Kolhi does remain one of India's top batsmen".

2. Last Test against England (totals), Kohli scored 94, Thakur 117, and Rohit 138. Yes, Kohli had a contribution but not the biggest by any stretch. In fact, the batsman who kept India in the match was Thakur who came in at 117/6 and proceeded to hammer the English bowlers.

3. Kohli is a batsman. But there are a lot of Iyers, Agarwals, Thakurs etc. who will score the runs India needs to win. Kohli as a captain is subpar, as can also be seen from his IPL record, besides the atrocious team selection for the CT and WTC finals.

I am not saying drop Kohli from the team. He remains a valuable contributor. But it is wrong to think that making someone else the captain will demotivate him and result in the loss of an irreplaceable contributor.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

1. I wrote "Kolhi does remain one of India's top batsmen".

2. Last Test against England (totals), Kohli scored 94, Thakur 117, and Rohit 138. Yes, Kohli had a contribution but not the biggest by any stretch. In fact, the batsman who kept India in the match was Thakur who came in at 117/6 and proceeded to hammer the English bowlers.

3. Kohli is a batsman. But there are a lot of Iyers, Agarwals, Thakurs etc. who will score the runs India needs to win. Kohli as a captain is subpar, as can also be seen from his IPL record, besides the atrocious team selection for the CT and WTC finals.

Kohli saved many OS tours singlehandedly from whitewash.
You are only talking about others contribution when Kohli failed. What about others failures when Kohli single-handedly performed in OS tours in SENA?

When did Iyers, and Agarwals played in OS

Kohli will remain as a best test captain for India.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Kohli should been relieve of his captainship duties long time back..
This guy was given much time to prove his captainship skills but he cost us every single tournament despite having a great team.
He didn't even helped his side to win a single ICC trophy..
Rohit and Rahane are much better captains than this overrated guy.

 

[Napa]

Kohli might not be scoring big runs as before. just look at the last test match against England. His 50s and 40s innings kept india in the match and eventually they won. You cannot say kohli is not adding value that's absurd. But india has good batting reserves but they should grow around kohli and not without his experience

If you look at the last Test India played, the only time NZ had any sort of pressure on India was when Pujara was out for a duck, followed by Kohli also out for a duck. Agarwal's 150 and Patel's 52 took India to a respectable total of 325 before the bowlers destroyed NZ. Can't say Kohli made any contribution.

 

[Napa]

Kohli saved many OS tours singlehandedly from whitewash.
You are only talking about others contribution when Kohli failed. What about others failures when Kohli single-handedly performed in OS tours in SENA?

When did Iyers, and Agarwals played in OS

Kohli will remain as a best test captain for India.

You are talking about stuff that happened years ago.

It has been a while since Kohli made a decisive contribution. He remains a valuable batsman, but it is wrong to think that Indian batting is reliant on him. India recently won Test series against Australia, England (unfinished) and NZ with little contribution to the batting from him.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Kohli should have step down from LOI captaincy before T20 wc.
He is not captain material for white ball format.

Let's stick to test cricket.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

You are talking about stuff that happened years ago.

It has been a while since Kohli made a decisive contribution. He remains a valuable batsman, but it is wrong to think that Indian batting is reliant on him. India recently won Test series against Australia, England (unfinished) and NZ with little contribution to the batting from him.

I never said present Indian batting reliant on him.
I was mentioned that you are only considering his lean patch and ignoring his past contributions in SENA when everyone failed.

 

[Napa]

I never said present Indian batting reliant on him.
I was mentioned that you are only considering his lean patch and ignoring his past contributions in SENA when everyone failed.

Yes, 3 to 5 years ago Indian batting may have been very reliant on him, but it now is not. There is a whole new generation of batsmen like Agarwal, Gill, Pant, Thakur etc. + veterans like Rohit, Rahul and Pujara who can score the necessary runs. What we really need now is a few more bowlers like Bumrah.

As the topic is whether India should get a new captain, how reliant India's batting was on Kohli 3 to 5 years ago is largely irrelevant.

Kohli still walks into the team as a batsman, but by no means does his absence mean defeat, as recently seen during the Australia series. The captaincy does need someone who is a better captain.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mostly he doesn't deserve to be in the playing XI purely as a player.

 

[JaDed]

His team selection always seemed bad in hindsight, he unfortunately as a captain is done also got involved in too many things which wouldn’t have been an issue if he was winning the crunch matches.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is never benchmark to define captaincy, IPL has captain focus for a mere month, which he spends mostly preparing himself as batsman, IPL team are mostly run by management, most selections foreign picks, what does Kohli knows about the foreign players RCB management keeps picking.

Virat Kohli leadership skills were already shown on how he built test team and he ran it, every captain has few weakness not denying it, but eventually for India it paid off both in tests and LOIS. Only reason to remove him from t20 team is to reduce burden and groom youngsters in that format, he was going to retire after 2023 ODI WC anyways given talent pool India is getting.

As for Limited overs captaincy, check the bilateral record especially in SENAS, I see a record better than Dhoni, tactically he might have little disadvantage but what's the coach and VC for? But his strengths tower over weakness , Why didnt Dhoni won ODI series in Sena in dominant manner not one off series in south africa. Now that Kohli has infused the mentality in the team using resources such as IPL bharut arun e.t.c, you want to replace him with slightly more tactical man to have better results in knockouts, understandable but what youre saying is completely misprinted "Problem is limited overs, selection and tactics", tactical weakness can be amended by dressing room planning, having a VC on field, not letting him be dictator in tactical planning which is mostly done in dressing room which he and Shastri did, now you've Rohit Dravid and Kohli.
But still to take a team from a man for few tactical faults at cruical stages nonetheless, is most foolish not even Football clubs do that, you look at overall team performance, mentality, display . Ok team is built, it appears easier for Rohit to take reigns continue with this ready made product, but it would be an insult to Kohli, now if was in his twilight of career you could've kicked him, but India still needs him in tests at his best, and I dont think he'll be same after this betrayal for foolish reasons.

Nope, he is simply a very poor LOI captain and that is why even after having two of the greatest LOI batsman averaging over 60 in ODIs over last 5-6 years and having great T20I record too they simply haven't been able to win any major ICC tournament knockout game. His tactics have just been not upto the mark and is visible everywhere in limited overs format. It is even more prominent in IPL, where he ends up making a joke of his leadership.

Are you trying to suggest that the IPL teams are led by team management and franchise, lol. It is the captains who make tactical decisions on the field and that is why everyone says that it is Rohit Sharma who won MI five titles and not Mukesh Ambani.

Heck, you are even talking so much about his leadership and personality and yet you think him being a captain for over 7-8 years in IPL would not care what is happening on field even with him being a captain? Had he won a couple of titles, the argument could have been valid because he would already have that box ticked and he could care least of it anymore but with no IPL titles and no LOI trophies, definitely there was a lot of question mark on his captaincy and which is why he has been sacked from ODI captaincy.

To conclude, I would say it has been a very timely and good decision by BCCI or else there was a chance that we would have probably lost 2023 World Cup too and the next era would have to wait for India to win their next LOI trophy.

In Test cricket, he has been excellent with his backing of fast bowlers but even there, he has done many tactical blunders( WTC and prev SA tour for a start), however, the energy and aggression he brings truly keeps the morale of the whole team high which is why he should stick as test captain. His captaincy in Lords Test though was one to remember for.