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I am wondering that back home in Pakistan football doesn't get any attention or support. However in UK there are quite a few Pakistani immigrants how come none has made it so far in football team, unlike in cricket.
 
Perhaps him :

"The emergence of the Aston Villa defender, the first player of Pakistani heritage to captain an England team, has increased hopes of a broader Asian breakthrough at the top levels of the game.
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Suliman has also been on the receiving end of some advice from the England all-rounder Moeen Ali, who hails from the same neighbourhood and is a friend of his father.

“I‘ve spoken to him a bit to see how it’s all going and just get some advice. It helps because there’s not really anyone at the highest level from an Asian background playing football but in cricket obviously there’s a lot more British Pakistanis making it to the top.”

Wisden has estimated that up to 40% of cricketers at grassroots level are from a south Asian background, although that number drops dramatically to just 6% in the first-class game. Should an Asian player follow in Moeen’s footsteps and play for England’s senior team the next hurdle for football will be to avoid that kind of decline.
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...villa-easah-suliman-england-asian-footballers
 
I am wondering that back home in Pakistan football doesn't get any attention or support. However in UK there are quite a few Pakistani immigrants how come none has made it so far in football team, unlike in cricket.

I don't like using the racism card but unfortunately in England; there is a lot of indirect racism towards British Pakistani. Ofcourse; we do not feel it every day but it is definitely there imo and it does not allow us to rise in certain fields.
 
Simply put, we’re not good enough as of yet.

This.

But people will always use Victim Mentality as an excuse. You'd think it is the 70s or 80s right now, these sensitive fellas have no idea.
 
Simply put, we’re not good enough as of yet.

Would have thought that was a pretty obvious answer. You could go into the reasons why which is a better question, and the reason is simply, Pakistani parents discourage their kids from taking sport seriously, especially football which is a street game. To succeed at the highest level takes time and dedication, and most desi parents want their kids to devote that to studies.
 
Would have thought that was a pretty obvious answer. You could go into the reasons why which is a better question, and the reason is simply, Pakistani parents discourage their kids from taking sport seriously, especially football which is a street game. To succeed at the highest level takes time and dedication, and most desi parents want their kids to devote that to studies.

True, cricket generally is more popular to and the only option as a sport when it is considered as a career. But when the likes of Amir Khan and Moeen Ali make it at the top level it does give their fields more exposure amongst the community, perhaps Suliman can inspire on the same level if he makes it big.
 
True, cricket generally is more popular to and the only option as a sport when it is considered as a career. But when the likes of Amir Khan and Moeen Ali make it at the top level it does give their fields more exposure amongst the community, perhaps Suliman can inspire on the same level if he makes it big.

Cricket will get more support among Pakistani parents only because they generally follow the game themselves, whereas football is generally looked down on. I used to play for my school team and my dad didn't approve at all, he would take the mick in front of his friends saying "latta panawn janda".
 
Yan Dhanda of Indian heritage who used to play in Liverpool junior team and now moved to Swansea is a genuine contender for leading the England side in 2026 wc.
You heard it here first.
 
Racism.

That's why you don't see desis in the premier league.

Do you know of any desis who are good enough to play in the Pemier league? That would be a requirement since it's arguably the most competitive league in the world.
 
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The long rest periods in cricket suit men of Pakistani origin more compared to the nonstop, 90 minute, cardiovascular endeavour that is football :))

The desi diets certainly don't predispose to a long football career.
Yan Dhanda of Indian heritage who used to play in Liverpool junior team and now moved to Swansea is a genuine contender for leading the England side in 2026 wc.
You heard it here first.

Look forward to him putting the dhanda to Premier League teams.
 
Do you know of any desis who are good enough to play in the Pemier league? That would be a requirement since it's arguably the most competitive league in the world.

A lot of Pakistani youth play football here atleast twice a week. Some make it to semi professional level but unfortunately none make it to the top. I have seen some really talented Pakistani players here. Trust me; there is indirect racism that stops people from rising. Look at big corporations here; in cities such as London and Manchester who have significant number of Pakistanis; however; you will see an unproportional (less) number of Pakistanis in the really high positions. It begs the questions why? We have the brains, work ethic and passion but we just don't make it imo.
 
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I am fully unaware of what the culture of Pakistani immigrants in the UK looks like.

Could it also be that the Pakistani parents who encourage their children to go into sports prefer cricket over other sports. So that the amount of interest in pursuing a career as a football player is pretty low to begin with?
 
You could add Indians too. It's interesting in countries like Germany France Holland immigrants have made a success in football but in England hardly any have made it at club level let alone the national side. The interest is there go to any 5 a side pitch you will see plenty of talented Pakistani/Indians/Somalians but for some reason unable to take the next step.
 
You could add Indians too. It's interesting in countries like Germany France Holland immigrants have made a success in football but in England hardly any have made it at club level let alone the national side. The interest is there go to any 5 a side pitch you will see plenty of talented Pakistani/Indians/Somalians but for some reason unable to take the next step.
I think it's fair to say Afro-Caribbeans have.
 
Would have thought that was a pretty obvious answer. You could go into the reasons why which is a better question, and the reason is simply, Pakistani parents discourage their kids from taking sport seriously, especially football which is a street game. To succeed at the highest level takes time and dedication, and most desi parents want their kids to devote that to studies.

Yes, because all Pakistani children are the ideal offspring, fulfilling all the wishes and desires of their parents. I wonder how many British Pakistani Messis we lost to academia.

Ridiculous reasoning.

Simply put, South Asians in general are not good enough for football or any sport requiring a high level of athleticism.

Billions and billions of people in South Asia and millions of South Asian origin born and brought up abroad and not one football star over the years? All of them were being held back by their parents?
 
Because they aren't any good?

Growing up playing football in mixed teams , I can assure you Asians were just as good as white English lads and there are in every school team where they are the minority.

The problem is generally you have to start playing at a young age, less than 10 years old. You need to go to training perhaps twice a week and then play a match on the weekend. Asians came to England to work and didn't have the the time to take their kids to football training etc, their priorities were different. Asians also were not football fans when arriving in England, Cricket is a different story. Even if kids joined a club they would stop playing when they got a little older to concentrate on school. There is so much competition in football in England, many people feel it's better to focus on studies.

There is a slight element of racism in some youth clubs. I've witnessed it myself against black kids when my brother was playing for a good club as a child. But things are better now.

As the generations evolve, you will see Asians playing for big clubs in the future and in the England team too.
 
Yes, because all Pakistani children are the ideal offspring, fulfilling all the wishes and desires of their parents. I wonder how many British Pakistani Messis we lost to academia.

Ridiculous reasoning.

Simply put, South Asians in general are not good enough for football or any sport requiring a high level of athleticism.

Billions and billions of people in South Asia and millions of South Asian origin born and brought up abroad and not one football star over the years? All of them were being held back by their parents?

Boxing is the most intense sport for fitness and athleticism. There are many British Pakistani boxers coming through.

In Pakistan and India football is not even a big sport but yes the guys over there in general are not physically fit but it's a different ball game in England. You cannot use nations thousands of miles away to discuss the topic of Asians in England playing football.
 
Yes, because all Pakistani children are the ideal offspring, fulfilling all the wishes and desires of their parents. I wonder how many British Pakistani Messis we lost to academia.

Ridiculous reasoning.

Simply put, South Asians in general are not good enough for football or any sport requiring a high level of athleticism.

Billions and billions of people in South Asia and millions of South Asian origin born and brought up abroad and not one football star over the years? All of them were being held back by their parents?

There are plenty of athletic desis especially in the Pakistani part, Idk about the eastern folks. I know Pakistanis that have played varsity basketball and american football. I've played ice hockey myself which is a very tough sport and was pretty fast on ice.
 
Is there any truth to the opinion that Pakistanis and by extension I guess south Asians as a whole are not known to be the best headers of the football, or have I just made that up, I am sure I have heard that before.

Slight tangent - Do you think a hypothetical British Pakistani first Xl would beat the Pakistani national side?
 
Would have thought that was a pretty obvious answer. You could go into the reasons why which is a better question, and the reason is simply, Pakistani parents discourage their kids from taking sport seriously, especially football which is a street game. To succeed at the highest level takes time and dedication, and most desi parents want their kids to devote that to studies.

But if you look at cricekt doesnt that take more time?

A cricket match lasts about 8 hours. Training is about 5-6 hours in nets
 
Is there any truth to the opinion that Pakistanis and by extension I guess south Asians as a whole are not known to be the best headers of the football, or have I just made that up, I am sure I have heard that before.

Slight tangent - Do you think a hypothetical British Pakistani first Xl would beat the Pakistani national side?

Im not sure where you heard this but as far as im aware there is no scientific evidence to suggest Asian have genetically weaker skulls. One good way of practicing ball control with your head is playing head volleyball, it never gave me a headache.

I feel a British Pak XI(picked properly) would beat the Pak national team at present. The Pakistani football association has previously scouted players from England who did play for the Pakistani national team. But I think they didn't make a long term plan and as most things in Pakistan organisations are incompetent.
 
But if you look at cricekt doesnt that take more time?

Big difference in the cultures of those sports, I think that affects the parents and might also be a reason (along with genes) why no near top flight football player, this adds to the factor of south Asian genes, which are more suited for cricket.
 
Im not sure where you heard this but as far as im aware there is no scientific evidence to suggest Asian have genetically weaker skulls. One good way of practicing ball control with your head is playing head volleyball, it never gave me a headache.

I think it was more to do with putting one's head in danger, less about technique, no one likes to get kicked in the head, that is what I took from that, I remember where i heard it, I will ascertain what they meant, if I've made it up, I will withdraw it.

I feel a British Pak XI(picked properly) would beat the Pak national team at present. The Pakistani football association has previously scouted players from England who did play for the Pakistani national team. But I think they didn't make a long term plan and as most things in Pakistan organisations are incompetent.

It'd be cool if someone could get in touch with Shad Khan and see if he has a flair for patriotism and could use his money/services to organise such a team. He might like the idea.
 
Well I enquired about the heading and I have to say that it is not scientific evidence, more opinion based upon the fact, I guess, that more Pakistanis play 5 a side regular rather than 11 a side. So I was incorrect with my 'fear factor, my apologies and also the fact that more play 5 a side, was about the amateur not someone who could be professional.
 
Well I enquired about the heading and I have to say that it is not scientific evidence, more opinion based upon the fact, I guess, that more Pakistanis play 5 a side regular rather than 11 a side. So I was incorrect with my 'fear factor, my apologies and also the fact that more play 5 a side, was about the amateur not someone who could be professional.

Yes in 5 a side you dont use your head as much and the ball is often softer if it's played indoors. But heading the ball on a regular basis for years does cause damage.

If you're interested, this is a great watch.
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Big difference in the cultures of those sports, I think that affects the parents and might also be a reason (along with genes) why no near top flight football player, this adds to the factor of south Asian genes, which are more suited for cricket.

Just correcting myself as I can't edit after two mins, I have slightly contradicted myself, if it is a difference in football/cricket culture, then genes play less of a part, so among the south Asians who have the genes for football, they possibly to reach the top fail due to the culture of football, not just racism.

Why is there no top Pakistani Rugby player? I ask before consulting Google. Culture? Rough and tumble?
 
Just correcting myself as I can't edit after two mins, I have slightly contradicted myself, if it is a difference in football/cricket culture, then genes play less of a part, so among the south Asians who have the genes for football, they possibly to reach the top fail due to the culture of football, not just racism.

Why is there no top Pakistani Rugby player? I ask before consulting Google. Culture? Rough and tumble?

Cricket is becoming less appealing for Asians in the UK now. We are now into 3rd/4th generation children whose parents were also born here. Football being the biggest sport in England, they play and follow football more than cricket now.

Rugby isn't a sport which appeals to many kids. I used to hate playing Rugby in the cold winter days, getting bashed and muddy, hardly touching the ball. Also Rugby is known as a posh mans sport and although played up North regularly , many of its' stars come from private schools and well of families.
 
Racism??? you must be daft

i played across the local leagues when in school in 90s, no one cares about your race and its different now with so many muslims here, back in 90s i was probably the only one. No one cares of race in football, the only thing they care about is how good you are, then any team will take you.

but looking across the leagues and school football the problem i see with asians is not that they are bad, its that there fitness is terrible, they dont have the stamina to play full matches. This is the reason where black people excell in football in this country, they have stamina, strenght and power, we are the opposite.
 
Is there any truth to the opinion that Pakistanis and by extension I guess south Asians as a whole are not known to be the best headers of the football, or have I just made that up, I am sure I have heard that before.

Slight tangent - Do you think a hypothetical British Pakistani first Xl would beat the Pakistani national side?

No, if you look at some of our matches of our National team, they rely more on aerial/headers play as compared to ground play/short passing.

British Pakistani XI may be but European Pakistani XI will definitely beat our national side.
 
Yes, because all Pakistani children are the ideal offspring, fulfilling all the wishes and desires of their parents. I wonder how many British Pakistani Messis we lost to academia.

Ridiculous reasoning.

Simply put, South Asians in general are not good enough for football or any sport requiring a high level of athleticism.

Billions and billions of people in South Asia and millions of South Asian origin born and brought up abroad and not one football star over the years? All of them were being held back by their parents?

Maybe you didn't understand the point. British asians have traditionally been encouraged to go into certain fields which are highly valued in our culture, like medicine, law or business. That was always the case in my community anyway, no idea where you are from or your background. Mine is Pakistani punjabi, and where I live the majority of the desis were from a similar background, even the Indians were predominantly from Punjab. Football or other sports were considered a distraction.

You consider my reasoning ridiculous but look at yours. "South Asians in general are not good enough for football or any sport requiring a high level of athleticism"

Athleticism isn't about being good enough, it's about having the dedication to train seriously, and that means considering football a career choice, which none of the desis I know have ever done. Are you talking about physical size when you talk about athleticism? That would matter in a sport like rugby, in football the Koreans produce decent footballers. British Pakistanis tend to be either Punjabi or Mirpuri, both of which are quite physically larger than other desis anyway. No idea where you are from so your experience may be different.
 
Overall in the England football team is majority White followed by people from Caribbean origin. IMO and from what I have noticed not many Pakistanis/Asians encourage their children to play football.

My son is in a football camp of 50 odd kids. The only other Asian I found was a Bangladeshi and another black kid who I think is ethnically from the Caribbean Island. Majority are English followed by Easter Europeans. Most Pakistanis and Asians in my son's school have put them in either cricket (obvious), martial arts or tennis.
 
The English player Clark Carlisle did a documentary on this. The racism he uncovered was shocking. If you look at that documentary you'll have your answer.
 
The English player Clark Carlisle did a documentary on this. The racism he uncovered was shocking. If you look at that documentary you'll have your answer.

I remember that now, iirc he uncovered an example of a Pakistani who was captain of the team and some age level in the hierarchy of the FA and every other individual who occupied that position went on to play for England and it was racism at fault, I can't remember if the documentary was specifically about racism against Asians as opposed to general racism.
 
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A lot of Pakistani youth play football here atleast twice a week. Some make it to semi professional level but unfortunately none make it to the top. I have seen some really talented Pakistani players here. Trust me; there is indirect racism that stops people from rising. Look at big corporations here; in cities such as London and Manchester who have significant number of Pakistanis; however; you will see an unproportional (less) number of Pakistanis in the really high positions. It begs the questions why? We have the brains, work ethic and passion but we just don't make it imo.

Wait, so the racism in football is only towards Asians? What about the black lads of England? They face no racism? May I remind you that over half of the English team consists of ethnic minorities.
 
No, if you look at some of our matches of our National team, they rely more on aerial/headers play as compared to ground play/short passing.

British Pakistani XI may be but European Pakistani XI will definitely beat our national side.

How would one get in touch with Shahid Khan?A patriotic case and causecould be put in front of him to organise such a team, he owns a NFL team and he ownsFulham playing in Premier League, billionaire. If he was involved maybe even the Pakistani football authority may take notice. Just putting it out there.
 
^Even if he is interested enough, I doubt he can do much. [MENTION=147223]Devilsadvokat[/MENTION]
 
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Wait, so the racism in football is only towards Asians? What about the black lads of England? They face no racism? May I remind you that over half of the English team consists of ethnic minorities.

Blacks used to also face a struggle to get into top class football not so long ago, now they are making up nearly half of many Premier league teams. I think they have generally been more open to sports as a career choice, whereas Pakistanis generally disapproved. I would expect that to change within the next generation so you might well start seeing more British Pakistani footballers in the same way you might see more singers, actors and other general entertainment categories which have traditionally been looked down on in the past.
 
Wait, so the racism in football is only towards Asians? What about the black lads of England? They face no racism? May I remind you that over half of the English team consists of ethnic minorities.
Blacks are stereotyped as athletically gifted, they face a form of positive discrimination. Asians are stereotyped as weak and nerdy.
 
Blacks used to also face a struggle to get into top class football not so long ago, now they are making up nearly half of many Premier league teams. I think they have generally been more open to sports as a career choice, whereas Pakistanis generally disapproved. I would expect that to change within the next generation so you might well start seeing more British Pakistani footballers in the same way you might see more singers, actors and other general entertainment categories which have traditionally been looked down on in the past.

Couldn’t agree more. Asians not making it to top tier football is not due to racism. Not anymore, at least. If you said so for the 80s and the early 90s, I would have agreed. But not anymore.

Asians are still very connected to their homeland and are thus more enamoured by cricket. Will change in a coupld of generations.
 
Blacks are stereotyped as athletically gifted, they face a form of positive discrimination. Asians are stereotyped as weak and nerdy.

Not anymore. Not in England at least. And not for football at least. For 100m track event, possibly. But in football, no. I will compare football in the UK to Bollywood/cricket in India. Whatever racism/issues you may have in the society, is not visible in football. Its merit based.
 
Blacks are stereotyped as athletically gifted, they face a form of positive discrimination. Asians are stereotyped as weak and nerdy.

There's some truth to the stereotypes obviously, but I don't see how it would affect footballers too much. British Pakistanis aren't really the nerdy type due to them mostly originating from Punjab and Kashmir. You still aren't likely to get heavyweight boxers like you do from the black community, but football isn't a game which is suited to people that size.
 
There was a guy by the name of Zeshan Rehman. Came through the Fulham youth system. However he was never that good and ended up playing in League 2 after spells in the Championship and League 1. That tells me we just aren’t good enough yet.
 
^Even if he is interested enough, I doubt he can do much. [MENTION=147223]Devilsadvokat[/MENTION]

If he was interested enough as you say, why couldn't he? If he adopted it as a pet project, I am sure he could, my doubt is whether he would be interested enough.
 
There used to be a time when India and Pakistan ruled the hockey world, then Europeans and Aussies took it more seriously and I guess physicality plus skill beats just skills.
 
There used to be a time when India and Pakistan ruled the hockey world, then Europeans and Aussies took it more seriously and I guess physicality plus skill beats just skills.

Is hockey even a physical sport? it's played by girls over here.
 
Couldn’t agree more. Asians not making it to top tier football is not due to racism. Not anymore, at least. If you said so for the 80s and the early 90s, I would have agreed. But not any more.

Apparently there is a BBC documentary by Clarke Carlisle that found otherwise, maybe less than the 70's and 80's but enough to be one cause for the lack of top Asian footballers.
 
Wait, so the racism in football is only towards Asians? What about the black lads of England? They face no racism? May I remind you that over half of the English team consists of ethnic minorities.

Even in general society, I'd say there is a type of white racism that was directed at brown people and Muslims in particular rather than black people, maybe calling it race is misplaced, maybe it is culture.
 
There used to be a time when India and Pakistan ruled the hockey world, then Europeans and Aussies took it more seriously and I guess physicality plus skill beats just skills.

Europeans and Aussies used to take hockey seriously before as well. They just changed the rules to suit themselves and hence put Pakistan-India at disadvantage.
 
Is hockey even a physical sport? it's played by girls over here.

You do not see/hear about English men's hockey team because they rarely win anything. Hockey in some aspects is even more physical than football, that is why rolling substitution is allowed in Hockey.
 
Europeans and Aussies used to take hockey seriously before as well. They just changed the rules to suit themselves and hence put Pakistan-India at disadvantage.

Interesting, I thought the Europeans et al hockey players got bigger, gonna Google the rules that changed.
 
Interesting, I thought the Europeans et al hockey players got bigger, gonna Google the rules that changed.

Removal of off-side rule and induction of rolling substitution is the biggest reason behind downfall of Subcontinental hockey.
 
You do not see/hear about English men's hockey team because they rarely win anything. Hockey in some aspects is even more physical than football, that is why rolling substitution is allowed in Hockey.

Been beating India and Pakistan for a decade now.
 
There was a guy by the name of Zeshan Rehman. Came through the Fulham youth system. However he was never that good and ended up playing in League 2 after spells in the Championship and League 1. That tells me we just aren’t good enough yet.

Didn't he for a short while play in the premier league?
 
There was a guy by the name of Zeshan Rehman. Came through the Fulham youth system. However he was never that good and ended up playing in League 2 after spells in the Championship and League 1. That tells me we just aren’t good enough yet.

He played few games for Pakistan national side as well.
 
Because they aren't good enough. If they were they would be selected. England don't have a large pool of players to pick from. They wouldn't turn down a quality player if avaliable to play for them.
 
Because they aren't good enough. If they were they would be selected. England don't have a large pool of players to pick from. They wouldn't turn down a quality player if avaliable to play for them.

Not good enough as adults as most dont play the sport after teenage years but as kids I can assure you Brit Paks are very talented footballers and just as good as their white English counterparts. My brother played for a club and he was one of the best for years until he got bored of playing every week.
 
Didn't he for a short while play in the premier league?

Yea played some games for Fulham while they were in the premier league.

But he always dropped down a league. He has played 4 levels of football. Wonder if anyone else has done that.
 
Mentoring, a changing of mindsets and ditching "lazy stereotypes" will ensure more English-born professional footballers of South Asian descent make it to the top of the game.

That's the view of Riz Rehman, player inclusion executive for the Professional Footballers' Association, who is tasked with tapping into under-used reserves of talent.

While black players are well-represented in the English leagues, there are far fewer South Asians -- just 15 in the professional ranks and 10 young "scholars", according to Rehman.

Over the past 20 years just 24 players of South Asian descent have made a league debut while Ricky Hill remains the only footballer from that background to have played for England, winning three caps in the 1980s.

Rehman, whose own career was brought to a premature end by injury, says under-representation is a "big problem for our communities", but should not be the defining narrative.

His brother, Zesh, remains the only player to have played in the Premier League with full South Asian heritage (their parents are Pakistan-born) when he turned out for Fulham from 2004.

Zesh was capped at youth level for England but went on to captain Pakistan.

"Me, my peers and the young players are evidence that players of Asian descent can thrive and that should be the focus," Riz Rehman told AFP.

Rehman points to other success stories such as Neil Taylor, who played for Wales at Euro 2016, Leicester's Hamza Choudhury and Danny Batth, who helped Wolves win promotion to the Premier League.

He says they can act as mentors for academy players, and youngsters such as Arjan Raikhy, who made his senior debut for Aston Villa earlier this season, can do the same for those who are even younger.

"Zesh, Michael Chopra, Easah Suliman, Hamza Choudhury, Yan Dhanda have represented England at various levels," he said. "No one talks about these achievements.

"For the last 30 years we've had the same lazy stereotypes labelled against Asians in football and we want to move away from these misconceptions.

"We are starting to do that by showcasing the successes and the contribution these players have made to the game."

- 'Challenge mindsets' -

Zesh, currently coaching Hong Kong side Southern, says mentoring is a useful tool and one that was missing when he was making his way in the sport.

The 37-year-old, though, says families too must play a role to support aspiring young footballers, steering them towards mainstream leagues.

"Life in football is competitive and challenging and I understand why Asian-only leagues are set up, although I disagree with them," he said.

"Those teams do not have links to professional teams but others at grassroot level do. It is very difficult to break through, wherever you are from, at the best of times. If you are good enough you will come through.

"The Asian community should look at themselves and be really honest before pointing the finger elsewhere."

Daniel Kilvington, senior lecturer at Leeds Beckett University, says the widespread belief that English-born South Asian youngsters are primarily interested in cricket or hockey is not true.

"You go out in any local school or park in a British South Asian area -- as I know from my own experience in Bradford -- footballs would be flying around rather than cricket balls," he said.

He says high-profile role models "are an ignition key for younger people", showing them they can succeed and also helping to change opinions that appear to be set in stone.

"It can challenge gatekeepers' mindsets they may internalise around British South Asian players," he said.

"Scouts, managers believe they are not strong enough or quick enough or physical enough or lack interest, which I have heard a lot in the 10 years I conducted my research.

"Seeing them at the top of the game, the visibility will challenge mindsets and make a positive contribution to their decisions."

Riz Rehman is confident that things can change but admits there is a long way to go.

"We just need more players at the grassroots and then more of a steady flow progressing into the academy system," he said.

"If in five years we can have 25 to 30 professional players and 25 to 30 scholars at one time, that will be progress.

"I want to put a positive light on it regarding representation and be realistic at the same time."

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...allers-england-s-untapped-reservoir-of-talent
 
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