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The title pretty much says it all. Every other day there's someone that gets killed or is harassed/attacked by a mob over the slaughter of cows. So, why can't Muslims just avoid eating cows? It's not like eating cows is a requirement for being a Muslim, or even a part of Islam. It's just something you're allowed to eat. You're also allowed to eat a horse and I bet none of the sub-continental Muslims have ever even thought of eating horse meat. So, when there's such a fuss over this issue, why must Muslims of India eat cows? Is it just to anger the Hindus?

Also, personally, if I were living in India, I would abstain from eating cow meat in order to not disrespect the religion of my fellow Hindu Indian citizens, who lets not forget are in the majority.

If the Hindu religion considers cows to hold a Godly figure, it makes complete sense for them to be angered over someone slaughtering their God.

Now I know a lot of people are going to say that India should stop calling itself Liberal India if it bans the sale of cow meat but the thing is, its not like they're stopping anyone from practicing their religion. If eating cows was one of the principles of Islam, it would make sense but since it is not and the majority are not in favor of it being done, it doesn't make India any less of a liberal country.

Just to add: Most of you know I'm very vocal about the Kashmir issue and there's a lot of things about the Indian Govt. and the state itself that I don't agree with so I'm not being biased towards India. Just a genuine question.
 
India has declared itself as a secular state and as such it should not enforce hindu religious beliefs to non hindus.

If Modi wants all his citizens to abstain from meat than he should declare India as a hindu state (Hindu Republic of India) and than he is free to impose a ban on beef eating just like many Islamic countries prohibit the consumption of pork
 
TahirFan said:
India has declared itself as a secular state and as such it should not enforce hindu religious beliefs to non hindus.

If Modi wants all his citizens to abstain from meat than he should declare India as a hindu state (Hindu Republic of India) and than he is free to impose a ban on beef eating just like many Islamic countries prohibit the consumption of pork
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OK sure. But my question still stands, why can't Muslims just avoid eating cows when they know 1) It will hurt the feelings and disrespect the religion of the majority Hindu population and 2) It's going to cause a problem, especially when there are mob lynchings almost every day?
 
Why can't Muslims in India just NOT stop being muslims? :inti
 
Victim blaming is strong in this thread. It's like saying why don't people just not blaspheme and then they wouldn't get lynched in Pakistan.

Wasn't one of the guys lynched found to have a fridge full of mutton rather than beef? The fact this had to be forensically analysed shows that these barbaric religious extremist murderers are being appeased rather challenged
 
Hindu's obviously worshipping cow's which is why they don't want them being eaten. Not all Hindu's are like this, it only takes a very few to give the entire community a bad name.
 
Well this is high up on the list on dumb questions I have been asked.
 
Actually many times people were killed or harmed simply based on rumors and accusations. Because it's business for Muslims. This whole beef thing is a way to target Muslim owned businesses under the veil of religion. If India is so offended maybe they should stop exporting beef. They are one of the largest beef exporters.
 
ExpressPacer said:
OK sure. But my question still stands, why can't Muslims just avoid eating cows when they know 1) It will hurt the feelings and disrespect the religion of the majority Hindu population and 2) It's going to cause a problem, especially when there are mob lynchings almost every day?
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If Muslims avoid eating meat than hindu fanatics will see it as a moral victory and start imposing other acts of intolerances.
 
Justcrazy said:
What about Hindus who are eating it ? Why they never get killed?
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Good question. Perhaps one of the biases of the Indian community, I suppose. And this is what makes my question more important, if Muslims know that they are going to be exclusively targeted for eating cow meat - why do they do it?
 
TahirFan said:
If Muslims avoid eating meat than hindu fanatics will see it as a moral victory and start imposing other acts of intolerances.
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Let's not get into If's and But's. A thousand other analogies and prepositions can be made then..
 
Saeed said:
Actually many times people were killed or harmed simply based on rumors and accusations. Because it's business for Muslims. This whole beef thing is a way to target Muslim owned businesses under the veil of religion. If India is so offended maybe they should stop exporting beef. They are one of the largest beef exporters.
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I understand that and thank you for posting my that still leaves my question unanswered. When Muslims in India realize that eating Beef is going to cause problems because the animal is sacred for the Hindu population, why do they still do it? I would understand the Muslims sticking to their religion and if praying was banned, they would still do it even if they would be persecuted because that would be a dig at their religion but eating cow meat isn't even a part of Islam so why the persistence?
 
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] Not a direct question to you but you may know more about Muslims living in India.
 
In eight or nine states cow slaughter is not banned so why muslims belonging to these states should stop eating cow meat.
 
Because they would be bowing down to extremists. Most Hindu's are not extremist and don't care if Muslims eat beef.

If today they stopped eating beef, tommorow the extremists would demand they stopped eating meat entirely.
 
TahirFan said:
India has declared itself as a secular state and as such it should not enforce hindu religious beliefs to non hindus.

If Modi wants all his citizens to abstain from meat than he should declare India as a hindu state (Hindu Republic of India) and than he is free to impose a ban on beef eating just like many Islamic countries prohibit the consumption of pork
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This.

India cannot for a fleeting moment consider itself a democracy or secular state where all religions and lack of religion is welcome.

It is rather abhorrent that we value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. The d bags who do this should be charged with murder and imprisoned for no less than 15 years.
 
India is as much a DEMOCRATIC STATE as Pakistan is an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
 
There are two types:
Republic: where the people choose indirect or direct representatives to adhere to their needs such as the USA.
Direct: where the people themselves participate in the government and its regulations and decisions such as Ancient Athens.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Good question. Perhaps one of the biases of the Indian community, I suppose. And this is what makes my question more important, if Muslims know that they are going to be exclusively targeted for eating cow meat - why do they do it?
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I have no answer for that.

But to be honest Beef has nothing to do with Islam. Hindus benefit mostly from cow slaughter .
 
It begs the question than rather: are Muslims to blame for eating cow or Hindus for attacking Muslims in the world's largest democracy?
 
ManFan said:
There are two types:
Republic: where the people choose indirect or direct representatives to adhere to their needs such as the USA.
Direct: where the people themselves participate in the government and its regulations and decisions such as Ancient Athens.
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a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. So India is definitely a democratic country but not a fully secular country
 
ExpressPacer said:
I understand that and thank you for posting my that still leaves my question unanswered. When Muslims in India realize that eating Beef is going to cause problems because the animal is sacred for the Hindu population, why do they still do it? I would understand the Muslims sticking to their religion and if praying was banned, they would still do it even if they would be persecuted because that would be a dig at their religion but eating cow meat isn't even a part of Islam so why the persistence?
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Cause they're not submissive like certain people who'll even follow laws that are against them. If people just followed bad laws, segregation wouldn't never have ended here and Blacks wouldn't have gotten equal rights. So I don't get why you're forcing them to follow laws that go target them. That's such a submissive thing to do and un-Pakistani and un-American in many ways.
 
If it was democratic than you would have some laws that would increase the tolerance on Muslims in India. But what do you see everyday in the news? Another Muslim stabbed or attacked by some Hindu group. When the government allows a group like Shiv Sena to operate at the prominent level of government and politics than you can never have a true democracy. It would be the equivalent of having the KKK have legislatures and Congressmen in the US.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I understand that and thank you for posting my that still leaves my question unanswered. When Muslims in India realize that eating Beef is going to cause problems because the animal is sacred for the Hindu population, why do they still do it? I would understand the Muslims sticking to their religion and if praying was banned, they would still do it even if they would be persecuted because that would be a dig at their religion but eating cow meat isn't even a part of Islam so why the persistence?
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I am sure many of them stopped or try to keep it a secret. Eating is a smaller issue, people can simply keep it a secret and avoid being targeted. Beef traders and slaughter houses face major problems. So question should be why can't beef traders/transporters do away with their businesses out of respect. Because this is how they earn their livelihood. They live in one of the poorest country, they can't just start another business or find another job. Check the article below to see how it impacts beef traders.


Haji Imran Yaqoob, the managing director, explains that he ships frozen meat to Vietnam and countries in the Middle East; his business has nothing whatsoever to do with the local market. Local traders have been hard-hit, he concedes, but his own business has chugged on uninterrupted.

Neither of these things are true of Akhlaq's business. His pleas to the police on March 22 had little effect. His plant was shuttered - on spurious grounds, he told local press: an anomaly between his unit's construction plans and real-life set-up - and is yet to reopen.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/05/india-battle-buffalo-meat-170511102459372.html
 
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Beef issue is just an excuse to polarize people and get votes. A few get killed by Hindu thugs which will be swept under the carpet.

The rise of Hindu nationalists in India has been terrible for minorities especially Muslims. They are the largest minority and the best way to get votes is to make the beef issue as us vs them. It's a tried tested formula that did wonders for BJP and they are not going to shun it anytime soon.

While India has billions of issues, all the idiotic ruling party worries is what Muslims are eating for dinner.

The way things re going, India should de Karen itself a Hindu Rashtra and get it over with. This sham of being secular is only on paper. Reality is quite different.
 
Good question, but this is the next in-line in few years .....


the real question is , whats next ?
 
Pakistanian said:
Cause they're not submissive like certain people who'll even follow laws that are against them. If people just followed bad laws, segregation wouldn't never have ended here and Blacks wouldn't have gotten equal rights. So I don't get why you're forcing them to follow laws that go target them. That's such a submissive thing to do and un-Pakistani and un-American in many ways.
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I'm not forcing them. This was just a question I had in mind. Thanks for answering.
 
You guys realize that India is a secular democratic country right ? And its not just Muslims. All the other minority religions in India eat meat too like Christians, jews, budhists.. Should they all follow suit..?
 
Because it's (supposedly) a free country, you should be able to do what you want as long as you're not causing harm.
 
Should I stop eating halal meat because I live in a country where the main religion is Christianity? Sure, I can, but is it ideal? No.
 
I'm not too sure they eat cows even now except below states:
Kerala, West Bengal, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura and Sikkim.

Water buffalo is what most eat and beef is available around my home,from what i hear many say its cheaper(not sure).
 
It's not only about eating beef, it's about enforcing a particular dietery habit (a religious belief) in this so called "secular country"/multireligious country. I am all for Uniform civil code which was BJP's motto before election. But what is happening now?? Today it is beef ban but who knows what comes next???

There is no strong opposition in this country which is another worrying sign for us.
 
The question to the OP is why should Muslims specifically Now be told to stop eating beef ?

How come this wasn't a big issue before Modi came to power but is now ??

If they do stop eating beef today (which is not feasible) they will be told to do something else tomorrow.

Modi and his BJP government should be taking a hardline against these fringe extremists and thugs because doing nothing only emboldens them.

However this is just an observation looking from the outside in. Maybe they are taking now - I don't know.

But point is you can't start telling people what food to eat - this is 2017. If they wanted to ban Beef should have done it a long time ago.
 
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kaayal said:
It's not only about eating beef, it's about enforcing a particular dietery habit (a religious belief) in this so called "secular country"/multireligious country. I am all for Uniform civil code which was BJP's motto before election. But what is happening now?? Today it is beef ban but who knows what comes next???

There is no strong opposition in this country which is another worrying sign for us.
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Ideally there should be a uniform civil code and this bovine non sense should end as well.The problem is that muslim clergy and elite oppose UCC or even abolishment lf Triple Talaq and Polygamy.The Hindu elite responds with asking for ban on cow slaughter.This is back and forth back and forth since 1956.This has to end and the only way to end is to make sure no one gets any and i mean any kind of religiou appeasement to anyone is stopped.

Also strict culpable homicide or attempt to murder charges be brought againist the cow.rakshaks.

PS:Until then i believe cow slaughter needs to.be regulated with govt controlling the slaughtering and distribution of cows.Just like they do with liquor.
 
ExpressPacer said:
The title pretty much says it all. Every other day there's someone that gets killed or is harassed/attacked by a mob over the slaughter of cows. So, why can't Muslims just avoid eating cows? It's not like eating cows is a requirement for being a Muslim, or even a part of Islam. It's just something you're allowed to eat. You're also allowed to eat a horse and I bet none of the sub-continental Muslims have ever even thought of eating horse meat. So, when there's such a fuss over this issue, why must Muslims of India eat cows? Is it just to anger the Hindus?

Also, personally, if I were living in India, I would abstain from eating cow meat in order to not disrespect the religion of my fellow Hindu Indian citizens, who lets not forget are in the majority.

If the Hindu religion considers cows to hold a Godly figure, it makes complete sense for them to be angered over someone slaughtering their God.

Now I know a lot of people are going to say that India should stop calling itself Liberal India if it bans the sale of cow meat but the thing is, its not like they're stopping anyone from practicing their religion. If eating cows was one of the principles of Islam, it would make sense but since it is not and the majority are not in favor of it being done, it doesn't make India any less of a liberal country.

Just to add: Most of you know I'm very vocal about the Kashmir issue and there's a lot of things about the Indian Govt. and the state itself that I don't agree with so I'm not being biased towards India. Just a genuine question.
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Many incidents are just based on rumors. many Muslims are killed just due to some fake news of Cow slaughtering.

There are many other things in Hindu religion too other than cow slaughtering, so will you support all those things to be honored by Muslims as to not disrespect the religion? or will you stick to cow slaughtering only?
 
It's incredibly silly and this is the trend in India today I'm afraid. All the Indian respectable intellectuals seem to have vanished.
 
First of all the recent attacks are not really about Cow, it's about showing the muslims who's in charge now and also targeting a common revenue source of Muslims (meat selling ).

If it was about protecting the cow alone (in the name of faith) that raises many questions :

  • The North eastern states have culturally always consumed beef, even before the tribals there converted to Christianity in the past 20 years. Beef is part of many of their rituals and the negative reaction from the NE politicians (even BJP ones) show the same . Why aren't they getting attacked ?
  • States like Kerala and Tamil Nadu (far south) have a much higher proportion of Dalits and Shudra castes, who were historically meat consumers, and have been eating beef as a low cost option for proteins for more than a century, why is that not acknowledged by the hindutwa folk ?
  • The Dalits of northern India were always treated inhumanely and were denied proper wages or good living conditions for centuries. They were allowed to eat beef as no-one else ate them and the other hindus wanted someone to deal with the cow carcasses after the cows died. So when a community has historically and culturally been outcast and forced to depend on the lowest/cheapest source of meat by the same culture they are trying to defend , what right do these people have to attack Dalits in the name of cow protection ?
  • Most importantly, the christian communities consume as much or more beef than the muslims throughout India .I've seen that Most muslims consider Mutton as the most auspicious or preferred meat and would always take it over beef if given a choice. But the christians have no such preference of Mutton over beef (I could be wrong). Why aren't any Christians getting attacked then? Especially in BJP ruled states like Goa with sizeable Christian populations ? Is it the fear of the backlash from the west or the fear of major European / US investors who will see it as an attack on Christianity ? If it was all about faith should'nt they be targeted too ?

This cow politics is causing irreparable damage to the social fabric of the society, it need to be controlled at all costs. !
 
Thanks Sandy for that well explained post - understand the situation much better now.
 
ExpressPacer said:
The title pretty much says it all. Every other day there's someone that gets killed or is harassed/attacked by a mob over the slaughter of cows. So, why can't Muslims just avoid eating cows? It's not like eating cows is a requirement for being a Muslim, or even a part of Islam. It's just something you're allowed to eat. You're also allowed to eat a horse and I bet none of the sub-continental Muslims have ever even thought of eating horse meat. So, when there's such a fuss over this issue, why must Muslims of India eat cows? Is it just to anger the Hindus?

Also, personally, if I were living in India, I would abstain from eating cow meat in order to not disrespect the religion of my fellow Hindu Indian citizens, who lets not forget are in the majority.

If the Hindu religion considers cows to hold a Godly figure, it makes complete sense for them to be angered over someone slaughtering their God.

Now I know a lot of people are going to say that India should stop calling itself Liberal India if it bans the sale of cow meat but the thing is, its not like they're stopping anyone from practicing their religion. If eating cows was one of the principles of Islam, it would make sense but since it is not and the majority are not in favor of it being done, it doesn't make India any less of a liberal country.

Just to add: Most of you know I'm very vocal about the Kashmir issue and there's a lot of things about the Indian Govt. and the state itself that I don't agree with so I'm not being biased towards India. Just a genuine question.
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Lazy post.. little bit of research would have helped:
- None of the victims was caught with beef or caught while actually slaughtering a cow.. 100% such cases are due to suspicion by some idiots or fabricated by people due to local animosities.
-Increasingly, it's not about cow anymore, it is general environment of hatred which has been created against minorities, especially Muslims. If not beef, it will be something else and these incidents of killing wouldn't stop
- The current government came with a promise to empower the majority community, again some idiots took it as freedom to do what they want to, including killing of innocents
- Govt hasn't taken any steps to control this issue other than some lip service, and they will not considering their priorities and affiliations

FYI... I am a Muslim and haven't tasted beef in my entire life, and I know of non-Muslim friends who won't eat anything else - hence. not all Indian Muslims eat meat
 
And all the non Muslims should stop eating non halal food in Muslim countries and stop using liquor? What's next?
 
SandyB said:
First of all the recent attacks are not really about Cow, it's about showing the muslims who's in charge now and also targeting a common revenue source of Muslims (meat selling ).

If it was about protecting the cow alone (in the name of faith) that raises many questions :

  • The North eastern states have culturally always consumed beef, even before the tribals there converted to Christianity in the past 20 years. Beef is part of many of their rituals and the negative reaction from the NE politicians (even BJP ones) show the same . Why aren't they getting attacked ?
  • States like Kerala and Tamil Nadu (far south) have a much higher proportion of Dalits and Shudra castes, who were historically meat consumers, and have been eating beef as a low cost option for proteins for more than a century, why is that not acknowledged by the hindutwa folk ?
  • The Dalits of northern India were always treated inhumanely and were denied proper wages or good living conditions for centuries. They were allowed to eat beef as no-one else ate them and the other hindus wanted someone to deal with the cow carcasses after the cows died. So when a community has historically and culturally been outcast and forced to depend on the lowest/cheapest source of meat by the same culture they are trying to defend , what right do these people have to attack Dalits in the name of cow protection ?
  • Most importantly, the christian communities consume as much or more beef than the muslims throughout India .I've seen that Most muslims consider Mutton as the most auspicious or preferred meat and would always take it over beef if given a choice. But the christians have no such preference of Mutton over beef (I could be wrong). Why aren't any Christians getting attacked then? Especially in BJP ruled states like Goa with sizeable Christian populations ? Is it the fear of the backlash from the west or the fear of major European / US investors who will see it as an attack on Christianity ? If it was all about faith should'nt they be targeted too ?

This cow politics is causing irreparable damage to the social fabric of the society, it need to be controlled at all costs. !
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Not all shudra and dalit subcastes ate beef even historically. Only certain subcastes. Even among the Muslims and Christians traditionally beef was not made I think in their houses. Not all of them anyway. But yeah this is a stupid law regardless.
 
Why should they not eat anything? This whole business about respecting other people's religious beliefs is absolute rubbish. If your fairy tale of choice forbids something, don't do it but your religious freedom ends where someone else's begins and, as such, you should back off if someone else's personal choices offend your religious sensibilities. Less people have been killed in the four wars between India and Pakistan than have been killed by Indian and Pakistani civilians in their own countries in the name of religious sensibilities, what a disgrace.
 
tanvy said:
Lazy post.. little bit of research would have helped:
- None of the victims was caught with beef or caught while actually slaughtering a cow.. 100% such cases are due to suspicion by some idiots or fabricated by people due to local animosities.
-Increasingly, it's not about cow anymore, it is general environment of hatred which has been created against minorities, especially Muslims. If not beef, it will be something else and these incidents of killing wouldn't stop
- The current government came with a promise to empower the majority community, again some idiots took it as freedom to do what they want to, including killing of innocents
- Govt hasn't taken any steps to control this issue other than some lip service, and they will not considering their priorities and affiliations

FYI... I am a Muslim and haven't tasted beef in my entire life, and I know of non-Muslim friends who won't eat anything else - hence. not all Indian Muslims eat meat
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Thanks. Tbh, I was taunting or criticizing anyone. I just had a genuine question with regards to this issue.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ideally there should be a uniform civil code and this bovine non sense should end as well.The problem is that muslim clergy and elite oppose UCC or even abolishment lf Triple Talaq and Polygamy.The Hindu elite responds with asking for ban on cow slaughter.This is back and forth back and forth since 1956.This has to end and the only way to end is to make sure no one gets any and i mean any kind of religiou appeasement to anyone is stopped.

Also strict culpable homicide or attempt to murder charges be brought againist the cow.rakshaks.

PS:Until then i believe cow slaughter needs to.be regulated with govt controlling the slaughtering and distribution of cows.Just like they do with liquor.
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More lives are gone because of this beef politics than any other appeasement policy..

Who gives this gaurakshaks this much power to kill another human??? They don't have any fear for laws. What is the govt doing to control this mob lynching??
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Not all shudra and dalit subcastes ate beef even historically. Only certain subcastes. Even among the Muslims and Christians traditionally beef was not made I think in their houses. Not all of them anyway. But yeah this is a stupid law regardless.
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Agree, the move towards widespread beef consumption by the Shudras/Dalits was also due to the increasing prices of other meat, and much greater cultural interaction B/w Muslims and Christian communities historically (in kerala's case), which led to the exchange of dietary preferences as well .

The Christians of Kerala too generally preferred Pork over Beef, just like how Muslims prefer Mutton, but the availability/price again became the reason.

You also need to notice that the Social reformist organizations and communist organizations in kerala actively encouraged inter-dining amongst the lower castes and other communities to weaken the grip of the caste hierarchy over the state .
 
Don't know what the issue is. All that we as majority ask the minorities is to treat us as big brothers and respect our wishes. In return we will make sure that they remain safe and no one can harm them. But if they want to act like equals then forget any concessions from us.
 
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I agree with the OP that we should not eat cows

Cows are the only spectators cricket matches in some towns :)
 
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Why shouldn't they be able to eat what they want?India is a self declared Secular country,it's citizens should be able to eat what they want.Fair enough if India declared itself a Hindu republic.
 
This is the "development and progress" that Modi was voted in for by BJP Hindus.
For all the fake randi rona by BJP Hindus, as long as Modi delivers on this one promise of his, he will remain the undefeated leader of Lynchistan.
 
I partly agree with this.i live in jammu city jandk Indian controlled kashmir and despite their being official ban of cowslaughter people in muslim dominated areas used to consume cow meat without much fuss.but now with rss in charge in much of jammu division things have dramatically changed.i do agree if some things hurt the religious sentiments then they better be avoided.however problem with india centred lyncings is the victims are getting killed at mere suspicions,rule of law is dead almost.
 
- Why did the Jews just not leave Germany in order to stop offending the Nazis?
- Why doesn't the World simply bow down to the demands of Daesh in order to stop offending them?
- Why don't all women stay at home in order to stop being harassed?
- Why doesn't everyone leave their wallets at home in order to stop being robbed?

I apologize if I unknowingly say something offensive towards a religious group but what sort of thread is this? You think a poor, defenseless Muslim family eats beef just to tick off the rabid, Hindu mobs? They should just stop eating beef? Okay, reasonable, until you realize that these are poor people. They don't really have a lot of options when it comes to food and unlike some other people, they need their meat intake at least occasionally.

Dumb thread that blames the victims of mob killings in a country that is one of the biggest exporters of beef in the world, IIRC. Do not compare this to pig situation in Muslim-majority countries. Pigs do not have resources wasted on them in those countries, the cows meanwhile will destroy the Indian economy if they are not killed and eaten for food.

One question, is cow milk permissible for Hindus to drink?
 
kaayal said:
More lives are gone because of this beef politics than any other appeasement policy..

Who gives this gaurakshaks this much power to kill another human??? They don't have any fear for laws. What is the govt doing to control this mob lynching??
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Exactly. No Muslims is going to start killing Hindus because polygamy is banned. You expect stuff like that from such people, however.
 
Cow politics has been a stain on Modi's rule so far. To be fair , I think it's the people around him that are goading him into it , he hasn't said much personally on the topic in public.
 
JaDed said:
I'm not too sure they eat cows even now except below states:
Kerala, West Bengal, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura and Sikkim.

Ya bro its cheaper because they don't need to set up a processing plant, hire workers and so on like they do for boiler chickens. Most of the beef comes from Buffalo(eruma) and are often old to the point where they can't reproduce. Therefore it is practically cheap to purchase and sell in the market.
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Arham_PakFan said:
Why shouldn't they be able to eat what they want?India is a self declared Secular country,it's citizens should be able to eat what they want.Fair enough if India declared itself a Hindu republic.
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If Pakistan is an Islamic country then why are Hinduism and Christianity allowed ?
 
Thomaskutty said:
Cow politics has been a stain on Modi's rule so far. To be fair , I think it's the people around him that are goading him into it , he hasn't said much personally on the topic in public.
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Modi saab is complicit too, by association, I'm not giving him a clean chit like that . But overall I feel there is a huge power struggle within the BJP, between Power hungry Modi & Hindutva driven RSS.

Given that its the grassroots support from the foot-soldiers of the RSS that elevated Modi to PM candidate (BJP leadership wanted others) , I dont think he can oppose the RSS's intentions too much. Modi is more likely to turn down on the communal rhetoric if that will more likely ensure a second term for him, unlike the RSS, that explains how he got 3-4 uninterrupted turns as Gujarat CM with little to no opposition within the BJP.

But the way things are going , the sangh firmly control the narrative and they're not backing away from it any time soon . If you've read Amit Shah's recent statements , I would do modi's condemnation little more than lip service.
 
BJP Hindus being validated by Pakistani's.
This thread is almost like Nirvana for them.
 
Specialisttailender said:
If Pakistan is an Islamic country then why are Hinduism and Christianity allowed ?
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Being an Islamic country does not mean that minorities are not allowed to live here or allowed to practice their religion.But several rules and laws must be respected.Pakistan isn't a good example tbh.
 
Bilal7 said:
- Why did the Jews just not leave Germany in order to stop offending the Nazis?
- Why doesn't the World simply bow down to the demands of Daesh in order to stop offending them?
- Why don't all women stay at home in order to stop being harassed?
- Why doesn't everyone leave their wallets at home in order to stop being robbed?

I apologize if I unknowingly say something offensive towards a religious group but what sort of thread is this? You think a poor, defenseless Muslim family eats beef just to tick off the rabid, Hindu mobs? They should just stop eating beef? Okay, reasonable, until you realize that these are poor people. They don't really have a lot of options when it comes to food and unlike some other people, they need their meat intake at least occasionally.

Dumb thread that blames the victims of mob killings in a country that is one of the biggest exporters of beef in the world, IIRC. Do not compare this to pig situation in Muslim-majority countries. Pigs do not have resources wasted on them in those countries, the cows meanwhile will destroy the Indian economy if they are not killed and eaten for food.

One question, is cow milk permissible for Hindus to drink?
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Good post.I disagree with the premise of this thread.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
Being an Islamic country does not mean that minorities are not allowed to live here or allowed to practice their religion.But several rules and laws must be respected.Pakistan isn't a good example tbh.
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Same for India, just because we are secular doesn't mean it is a free for all.
 
here everyone eats beaf. I mean even brahmins eats beaf. the recent saga spread due to social media & media's.
 
Very important question.

I'm a Muslim myself but always believe in respecting all religions and believes, either that would make sense to me or not. If by avoid eating beaf some riots could be avoided and lives could be saved, then Muslims in India should not be eating it.
 
moghul said:
Very important question.

I'm a Muslim myself but always believe in respecting all religions and believes, either that would make sense to me or not. If by avoid eating beaf some riots could be avoided and lives could be saved, then Muslims in India should not be eating it.
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The fact is it's not just about the Muslims, there are other communities (hindu sub groups included) who have historically / culturally consumed beef. If the mob (emboldened by a non-interfering government) is just targeting Muslims now , who knows some other community maybe targeted later, or for some other matter ?

Once you legitimize/mainstream mob justice in one aspect it becomes difficult from stopping some people (or the same group) applying it on a different issue or a different set of people. We are supposed to be in a democracy , so there are laws and the police to deal with that .
 
When a Delhi judge sentenced the son of a Haryana-based industrialist to two years’ imprisonment on Saturday for mowing down a motorcyclist with his luxury car in 2008, he couldn’t help but observe how present-day laws provide more stringent punishment to perpetrators of cattle-related crimes than errant drivers who take human lives.

“The sentence for killing cow is five, seven or 14 years in different states, but the sentence for causing the death of a human being through rash or negligent driving is only two years,” additional sessions judge Sanjeev Kumar said.

The court held the accused, 30-year-old Utsav Bhasin, guilty of rash driving, voluntarily causing hurt on provocation and causing death by negligence. It also announced a compensation of Rs 10 lakh for the family of the deceased and Rs 2 lakh for the injured.

On the night of September 11, 2008, Bhasin – then a BBA student – had crushed Anuj Chauhan and his friend, Mrigank Srivastava, under his BMW car at Moolchand in South Delhi. While Chauhan died in a city hospital, Srivastava survived the accident. Bhasin was arrested from ISBT Kashmere Gate while he was fleeing to Chandigarh.

Though the court had passed the verdict in May, the quantum of punishment was pronounced only on Saturday. It also granted statutory bail to Bhasin, enabling him to file an appeal in the high court. The bail bond was fixed at Rs 50,000 with surety of a similar amount.

Bhasin was earlier cleared of culpable homicide, which provides for a maximum jail term of up to 10 years.

The court said a copy of the judgment must be sent to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, so he can consider steps to enhance the punishment prescribed for such offences under section 304-A of the Indian Penal Code. The judge also quoted a song from the movie Jindagi aur Toofan – which goes ‘Aadmi chahe toh taqdeer badal sakte hai, poori duniya ki woh tasveer badal sakte hai, aadmi soch toh le uska irada kya hai (Humankind can change its fate if it wants to, can change the entire picture of the world if it wants to, as long as there is a strong resolve to do so)’ – to buttress his point.

The court noted that India has a “disreputable record of road accidents”, with a total of 4.64 lakh road accidents being reported in 2015 alone.

http://m.hindustantimes.com/delhi-n...nd-run-case/story-eMqMLutd7oIGUln5pPiM5K.html
 
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Who actually eats beef? I'm a British Pakistani and in terms of meat my family only really eats chicken or lamb. I don't think I've ever eaten beef in my life...
 
gkb101277867 said:
Who actually eats beef? I'm a British Pakistani and in terms of meat my family only really eats chicken or lamb. I don't think I've ever eaten beef in my life...
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Beef isn't widely available in British halal shops so the Pakistanis have never really got a taste for it. In some Indian states it seems to be the main meat available.
 
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