Why can't the Pakistani players at least adapt to the fitness craze culture from the Indian team?

[KingKhanWC]

Fair enough if that's your argument. There are no runs or wickets to compile to make a true ranking - so it remains subjective and to each his own.

Whichever way you slice it, Pakistan can take a leaf out of India's fielding / fitness notebook from the last decade to improve their standards. Australia or West Indies (haha?) may be better, but if they are so, they don't have a notebook - it's etched in genetic stone and Pakistan won't be able to 'copy' that.

It's very clear and obvious the fittest teams in world cricket are Aus, SA, Eng and NZ.

Nothing to do with genetics. Amir Khan is of Pakistani genetics, one of the all time great athletes in sport. It's more about culture, how as children they stay active and try out different sports. E.g Aussies and Saffers swim a lot as children, this type of excersie builds all sorts of muscles in the body which help you in other areas of fitness and sport.

 

[USofA]

No because even now India is not even in the top 4 of the fittest teams. I would say it would be Aus, SA, Eng, NZ and even possibly Windies ahead. So why look to India when there are others above? Unless you think Indian players are fitter than Aussies and Saffers? Surely not?

Perhaps Pak. players can learn to walk before they run. Get to Kohli's fitness before aiming for Smith, Faf, Root or Williamson.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Perhaps Pak. players can learn to walk before they run. Get to Kohli's fitness before aiming for Smith, Faf, Root or Williamson.

Younis Khan at his age could probably out run Kohli. Please dont get carried away with Kohli being a superhuman athlete, he's not. Pak players need to aim to match or beat the best not the 4/5th best.

 

[Varun]

Nothing to do with genetics. Amir Khan is of Pakistani genetics, one of the all time great athletes in sport. It's more about culture, how as children they stay active and try out different sports. E.g Aussies and Saffers swim a lot as children, this type of excersie builds all sorts of muscles in the body which help you in other areas of fitness and sport.

Again - you are looking at colonizing Pluto when you should first aim for putting a man on the Moon.

Get the current lot in the Pakistani first class circles up to acceptable standards of fitness, athleticism and nimbleness on the field. Getting kids into swimming pools that don't exist is nigh on impossible and would demand a nationwide cultural/economic change that is most certainly out of the remit of the PCB for the foreseeable.

PS: Amir Khan is a boxer who falls to pieces when he is hit on the chin. Don't look up to that guy. He's not even 4th best at anything.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again - you are looking at colonizing Pluto when you should first aim for putting a man on the Moon.

Get the current lot in the Pakistani first class circles up to acceptable standards of fitness, athleticism and nimbleness on the field. Getting kids into swimming pools that don't exist is nigh on impossible and would demand a nationwide cultural/economic change that is most certainly out of the remit of the PCB for the foreseeable.

PS: Amir Khan is a boxer who falls to pieces when he is hit on the chin. Don't look up to that guy. He's not even 4th best at anything.

lol. You know nothing of boxing. Kohli's chin would smash into 20 pieces if hit by a 16 year old middleweight, does this mean he's not fit? No Indian in history has ever come close to Amir Khan in terms of athletitism. So your genetics arguments was just pathetic.

Indians have improved but are not in the top 4. Too much Bollywoold IPL rockstar hype has got to you guys.

 

[Varun]

lol. You know nothing of boxing. Kohli's chin would smash into 20 pieces if hit by a 16 year old middleweight, does this mean he's not fit?

So a professional boxer would outbox a cricketer and hit him on the chin. Go figure.

Indians have improved but are not in the top 4. Too much Bollywoold IPL rockstar hype has got to you guys.

There's no #1, #2, #3 or #4 outside of your head. This isn't test cricket rankings, and even those are relatively subjective. Fact remains that Pakistan have to improve their players' general fitness standards and in this context, they are best advised to initially look around to their sub-continental counterparts who have improved by leaps and bounds with the current generation and apply a few similar short term fixes before idealistically aiming to command and conquer the galaxies by looking at Australia or New Zealand.

Also - please don't bring up Bollywood or the IPL quoting me again. You may salivate over the real Amir Khan and the Tontee-Tontee junk. I do not.

 

[Haroon786]

honestly players like, Yasir, Sarfarz, Harris, Azhar have body shape of rice eating south Indians. Hasan and Amir don't look like the picture you are painting either

This is true, while there are some Pakistani players who are over-weight and not in good shape, the likes of Hasan Ali, Amir and the other pacers look malnourished and starved.

 

[USofA]

Younis Khan at his age could probably out run Kohli. Please dont get carried away with Kohli being a superhuman athlete, he's not. Pak players need to aim to match or beat the best not the 4/5th best.

Maybe, maybe not. But can Sarfaraz? Younis is done and dusted. Talk about the present lot. Let Sarfaraz first take aim for Kohli's level then move to the higher ones like Smith, Faf, Root and Williamson. Baby steps.

 

[Hasan123]

It's about the mindset...

Our players are satisfied and happy to do the bare minimum to remain international cricketers. You can see it in recent times after scoring a 50, they take off the helmet, kiss the turf... and then almost immediately get out. Just look at Sarfraz's first ODI 50 vs Australia in UAE... he was screaming on top of his lungs, helmet off.

None of these guys score daddy hundreds in tests.

They just don't have the passion and fight in them. The guys who do, Shoaib Malik, Hasan Ali and Shan Masood, start well and make successful comebacks before age catches up (the former) or are not good enough to begin with (Shehzad) because fitness will only take you so far.

In India even the fringe player of the C team will be going the extra mile at the gym to crack it.

But it wasn't always like this obviously, you can see the teams of the 70s-90s had some super fit guys inzi bear not included).

That's the difference. You have to earn the right to be called an athlete, by living like one. Eat like one and train like one. Most of our guys don't do that.

This is my reasoning as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So a professional boxer would outbox a cricketer and hit him on the chin. Go figure.

Let me help out ,step by step as you are struggling. You mentioned genetics, correct? I then refered you to Amir Khan who has Pakistani genetics, one of the fittest athletes of all time. Got it? You came with with a childish reply regarding his chin, still with me? I then told you kids would break Kohli's chin so this has nothing to do with fitness. I hope you got it now but I doubt it.

There's no #1, #2, #3 or #4 outside of your head. This isn't test cricket rankings, and even those are relatively subjective. Fact remains that Pakistan have to improve their players' general fitness standards and in this context, they are best advised to initially look around to their sub-continental counterparts who have improved by leaps and bounds with the current generation and apply a few similar short term fixes before idealistically aiming to command and conquer the galaxies by looking at Australia or New Zealand.

Also - please don't bring up Bollywood or the IPL quoting me again. You may salivate over the real Amir Khan and the Tontee-Tontee junk. I do not.

You only needs eyes a little knowledge of sport/fitness. But we will leave it at this as you feel Indian squad is fitter than Aussies and Saffers )

 

[Rayyman]

Let me help out ,step by step as you are struggling. You mentioned genetics, correct? I then refered you to Amir Khan who has Pakistani genetics, one of the fittest athletes of all time. Got it? You came with with a childish reply regarding his chin, still with me? I then told you kids would break Kohli's chin so this has nothing to do with fitness. I hope you got it now but I doubt it
You only needs eyes a little knowledge of sport/fitness. But we will leave it at this as you feel Indian squad is fitter than Aussies and Saffers )

Agreed. SENA culture definitely emphasizes fitness the most.

India belongs to the South Asian category where they are lazier. These teams have gotten better than where they were in the past, but still behind the other non Asian teams. And Pakistan being far behind is a myth. They have a few unfit players just like other Asian teams.

 

[Varun]

You mentioned genetics, correct? I then refered you to Amir Khan who has Pakistani genetics, one of the fittest athletes of all time. Got it?

I have no idea about Amir Khan or boxing really. From my time in the Time Pass forum you seem to look up to him and defended his "glass chin" so I slid that sentence in there when the opportunity presented itself to wind you up and get your heart racing and it worked. That's all there was to it - I have nothing to lose with that guy.

You only needs eyes a little knowledge of sport/fitness. But we will leave it at this as you feel Indian squad is fitter than Aussies and Saffers

Wrong. In the everyday cricket fans' world - including mine - fitness isn't a podium place but a uniform standard of athleticism a team's players should aspire to reach. India are a pretty fit team, and is one that Pakistan can look to emulate seeing the cultural similarities and historical context of both countries. In your world, you seem to have a dedicated ranking based on little fact that places one team as fitter than the other, with this no-name Amir Khan above them all.

Anyway, I just Googled "Fittest country in the World" and somehow Greece pops up at #1. Why stop at Australia or West Indies (lol)? The Pakistan team should follow your advice and copy the Greek playbook to fitness. Who cares about cricket, Olympic medals will rain down all over the Punjab in 2020.

 

[Savak]

Help me understand. You were the same bloke complaining when Waqar came down hard on player fitness- so you have finally realised the importance of fitness?

Lol, there is a difference between dropping a player and asking him to work on his fitness and blindly making a player do 20 laps of the ground as opposed to ironing out chinks in technique

 

[Rayyman]

I have no idea about Amir Khan or boxing really. From my time in the Time Pass forum you seem to look up to him and defended his "glass chin" so I slid that sentence in there when the opportunity presented itself to wind you up and get your heart racing and it worked. That's all there was to it - I have nothing to lose with that guy.



Wrong. In the everyday cricket fans' world - including mine - fitness isn't a podium place but a uniform standard of athleticism a team's players should aspire to reach. India are a pretty fit team, and is one that Pakistan can look to emulate seeing the cultural similarities and historical context of both countries. In your world, you seem to have a dedicated ranking based on little fact that places one team as fitter than the other, with this no-name Amir Khan above them all.

Anyway, I just Googled "Fittest country in the World" and somehow Greece pops up at #1. Why stop at Australia or West Indies (lol)? The Pakistan team should follow your advice and copy the Greek playbook to fitness. Who cares about cricket, Olympic medals will rain down all over the Punjab in 2020.

There's no need to emulate India in fitness levels. Pakistan and India teams are around the same level of fitness.

 

[Scoop_shot]

We have seen fitness issues now in the team for a long time.Cake parties every other day, etc. These things are really hurting the players reflexes and this is how Babar has been getting out his reflexes are slowed down.There should be fitness training from the army bootcamp like how there was in 2016.This would train the players mentally also

 

[shortbread]

Apart from Imam this is a fairly fit team.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Younis Khan at his age could probably out run Kohli. Please dont get carried away with Kohli being a superhuman athlete, he's not. Pak players need to aim to match or beat the best not the 4/5th best.

While one metric to measure fitness is yo-yo test, where Kohli may nit be the highest one to score, what fitness levels truly dictate are the injuries and endurance while playing on field.

And fitness aspects for bowlers vs batters vs WKs vs even fielders vary.

If you look at the batting perspective, Kohli is one of the fastest runners between the wickets. He will not out-run Dhoni in a 100m rave but he can match it in between wickets. I am not sure if your Younis Khan comparison holds here.
And I dont need to talk about endurance of Kohli. He has the same intent after batting for 2 hours at crease.

FYI, even Kohli’s fitness is lauded not only by Indians but across the world just from purely batting point.

I mean, Pant is more flexible than kohli even when he was overweight.
So, for sure Pak batters can take Kohli as an inspiration for fitness and its nothing wrong.