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Why did Hindus become Islamophobic?

Cpt. Rishwat said:
You are thinking with the libertarian atheist mindset bro, where everyone must all be on the same page with feminism, LGBTQ, etc.

We Muslims believe in multiculturalism, therefore haram only applies to us, not an infidel. So if Tommy Gubbins wants to eat a pork sandwich in his own home, then that is not our business.
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He is identifying as a Muslim these days. I hear you can identify with anything these days if you feel like it - you dont even need to be it.
 
Stewie said:
He is identifying as a Muslim these days. I hear you can identify with anything these days if you feel like it - you dont even need to be it.
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Yes I have seen @Bhaijaan has gone full Jinnah mode these days, no problem with that. But my point was that Muslims are the only people who accept others to have a different mindset fully. This is why it is written in scripture "unto you your religion, unto me mine". Or words to that effect.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The reason for the question is, because there is also a claim that Buddhism is also a Dharmic faith which arose from Hinduism, yet Buddhists seem to have a holistic view of Islam as part of a wider world which is accepted same as any other belief.

Yet Hindus seem singularly hostile to Islam, although in my view this was not always the case. Previous Indian govts have tended to protect Muslim sentiments for example, refusing to publish the Satanic Verses and supporting the Palestinians against being ethnically cleansed from their own homeland.

Do posters feel that the broader wisdom in Hindu teachings have become narrowed down to a more reactive and defensive posture in the last century?
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Maybe ask rohingyas before espousing uninformed views that buddhists are not targeting Muslims.

Truth is
In middle east Muslims fight Muslims
Shias fight sunnis
Muslims fight Hindus
Muslims fight Jews
Muslims fight Christians

If you look at the common element ...you will get the answer to your question.
Ask why evil hindoos Jews and Christians and buddhists and so on don't fight to kill each other...
 
Stewie said:
He is identifying as a Muslim these days. I hear you can identify with anything these days if you feel like it - you dont even need to be it.
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I am more Pakistani than many pretenders and Anti Nationals here, whom I will continue to name, shame and expose from time to time.

Anyone who comes in the way Pakistan’s respect and pride is my sworn enemy. My heart beats for my nation and always will bleed green.
 
straighttalk said:
Maybe ask rohingyas before espousing uninformed views that buddhists are not targeting Muslims.

Truth is
In middle east Muslims fight Muslims
Shias fight sunnis
Muslims fight Hindus
Muslims fight Jews
Muslims fight Christians

If you look at the common element ...you will get the answer to your question.
Ask why evil hindoos Jews and Christians and buddhists and so on don't fight to kill each other...
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A lot of the major conflicts were instigated by non Muslims and have since caused widespread conflicts in the world. None of them were started by Muslims.

In 1948, Jews took over Arab land. Instigators were Jews.

In 1947 Hindu India took over Muslim land of Kashmir. Instigator were Hindus.

In 1981, Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we are still all dealing with the after effects.

In 2002, US invaded Iraq, then Libya in the pretext of going after WMDs, they were all lies. The conflicts were initigated by the Americans.

Other notable mentions that caused massive loss of life: Vietnam, no involvement of Muslims.
Korea, no involvement of Muslims.
Ireland - no involvement of Muslims,
In 1990s, Bosnians Muslims were subjected to massive genocide under the watch of UN. Once again they were the victims not instigators.
Ukraine and Russia - No involvement of Muslims.



So hindus need to shut up and educate themselves.
 
straighttalk said:
If you look at the common element ...you will get the answer to your question.
Ask why evil hindoos Jews and Christians and buddhists and so on don't fight to kill each other...
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They killed each other plenty if you bother to look at history with some introspection. Maybe they are taking a temporary break to kill Muslims over past few decades.

Remember it was the Mughals who united India into the vast country you see today, not the warring Hindu kings. Not only that, the Mughals took that country to become the richest in the world at that time.
 
Stewie said:
A lot of the major conflicts were instigated by non Muslims and have since caused widespread conflicts in the world. None of them were started by Muslims.

In 1948, Jews took over Arab land. Instigators were Jews.

In 1947 Hindu India took over Muslim land of Kashmir. Instigator were Hindus.

In 1981, Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we are still all dealing with the after effects.

In 2002, US invaded Iraq, then Libya in the pretext of going after WMDs, they were all lies. The conflicts were initigated by the Americans.

Other notable mentions that caused massive loss of life: Vietnam, no involvement of Muslims.
Korea, no involvement of Muslims.
Ireland - no involvement of Muslims,
In 1990s, Bosnians Muslims were subjected to massive genocide under the watch of UN. Once again they were the victims not instigators.
Ukraine and Russia - No involvement of Muslims.



So hindus need to shut up and educate themselves.
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Another one to expose the credibility of poppadum flipper @straighttalk
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They killed each other plenty if you bother to look at history with some introspection. Maybe they are taking a temporary break to kill Muslims over past few decades.

Remember it was the Mughals who united India into the vast country you see today, not the warring Hindu kings. Not only that, the Mughals took that country to become the richest in the world at that time.
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The warring Hindu kings were fighting a political war not a religious war...there in lies the difference.
World war happened between European countries not because of religion.

Since your question was related to religion...then all these examples are not correct. Religion is an issue but the common element is Islam.
 
Stewie said:
A lot of the major conflicts were instigated by non Muslims and have since caused widespread conflicts in the world. None of them were started by Muslims.

In 1948, Jews took over Arab land. Instigators were Jews.

In 1947 Hindu India took over Muslim land of Kashmir. Instigator were Hindus.

In 1981, Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we are still all dealing with the after effects.

In 2002, US invaded Iraq, then Libya in the pretext of going after WMDs, they were all lies. The conflicts were initigated by the Americans.

Other notable mentions that caused massive loss of life: Vietnam, no involvement of Muslims.
Korea, no involvement of Muslims.
Ireland - no involvement of Muslims,
In 1990s, Bosnians Muslims were subjected to massive genocide under the watch of UN. Once again they were the victims not instigators.
Ukraine and Russia - No involvement of Muslims.



So hindus need to shut up and educate themselves.
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Again the question is about religion based conflict..ntk about economic or other conflicts.

You are trying to mis direct the discussion by giving useless examples.

Why does shias and sunnis fight
Why do all gcc hang up against Iran
Why does Hindus not fight with Christians jains buddhists etc in India but Muslims are an issue
Why do Jews fight with Muslims but not with Hindus ..why do Jews Persians and baths seek refuge in India

Why do Christians and Muslims fight..

All these conflicts have religious reasons and the common denominator is Islam. The conflicts you and others mention are due to political geographic or economic reason...very different.
 
straighttalk said:
Again the question is about religion based conflict..ntk about economic or other conflicts.

You are trying to mis direct the discussion by giving useless examples.

Why does shias and sunnis fight
Why do all gcc hang up against Iran
Why does Hindus not fight with Christians jains buddhists etc in India but Muslims are an issue
Why do Jews fight with Muslims but not with Hindus ..why do Jews Persians and baths seek refuge in India

Why do Christians and Muslims fight..

All these conflicts have religious reasons and the common denominator is Islam. The conflicts you and others mention are due to political geographic or economic reason...very different.
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You started by talking about fighting as in wars. When was the last time Sunnis and shias had a war? When was the last time any religion based fight ever happen involving Muslims?

Probably the crusades. Everything after that is political, if you believe otherwise it’s because you have been fed a health dose of propaganda.

I already gave you the background behind all major wars in recent times. Look up the meaning of “petro dollar” if you really seek the truth. If you choose to continue being an idiot, well you are already on track with such impressive logic.
Lol
 
straighttalk said:
The warring Hindu kings were fighting a political war not a religious war...there in lies the difference.
World war happened between European countries not because of religion.

Since your question was related to religion...then all these examples are not correct. Religion is an issue but the common element is Islam.
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What difference does it make if you end up being killed by atheists or religious motivation? You still end up dead. Do you justify the nuking of entire cities?
 
straighttalk said:
Again the question is about religion based conflict..ntk about economic or other conflicts.

You are trying to mis direct the discussion by giving useless examples.

Why does shias and sunnis fight
Why do all gcc hang up against Iran
Why does Hindus not fight with Christians jains buddhists etc in India but Muslims are an issue
Why do Jews fight with Muslims but not with Hindus ..why do Jews Persians and baths seek refuge in India

Why do Christians and Muslims fight..

All these conflicts have religious reasons and the common denominator is Islam. The conflicts you and others mention are due to political geographic or economic reason...very different.
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The common element is 'violence'.

If one is a violent person, they will resonate with the violent aspect of whichever religion. All religions have this aspect even the ones that are viewed as peaceful like Buddhism.
 
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Stewie said:
India is not USA/France is it? You are once again dodging the point in #62 by assuming Indian governnce is fair.

And yes I have the freedoms to call it unfair, you might consider it gall because you seem to hang on the the same notions of control the authoritarian regime in india does. First fix that part internally and then you can claim the high moral ground you seem to think you are standing on. You, as an individual might not be in favor of the special exceptions hindus are currently enjoying, but that does not mean they are not there. As long as they are there, the hypocrisy will exist. If you can somehow make the preferential religious treatment and control of hindus go away, alongside the existential threat to Muslims in your land, then you can continue running your mouth as you are.


Millions of us live in foreign lands and we exercise the same rights as extended to others. We dont need any special dispensation. India's situation had a historical context and if you want to blame it on Nehru, Gandhi, Pillsbury doughboy, Martians, etc, is a moot point, the key is that there were certain decision and gaurantees made at the time of partition, and if the local populace feels aggrieved because a nationalist hindu govt wants to bring about a change, you cannot blame them entirely.
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JFC , can you answer a simple straight forward question?

Is Islam compatible with Secularism or not?

All I could make out from your post is that you will compromise your islamism in US, France, Aus etc

But will not accept the same laws in India.

Only conclusion is that you are racist

All that non sense about governance is hogwash

Good governance as in LEO shooting unarmed civilians, chocking civilians to death over cigarettes taxes? You are willing to put up with that.
 
rpant_gabba said:
JFC , can you answer a simple straight forward question?

Is Islam compatible with Secularism or not?

All I could make out from your post is that you will compromise your islamism in US, France, Aus etc

But will not accept the same laws in India.

Only conclusion is that you are racist

All that non sense about governance is hogwash

Good governance as in LEO shooting unarmed civilians, chocking civilians to death over cigarettes taxes? You are willing to put up with that.
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What even is Islamism.

And once again it’s laughable you are comparing India to USA and France. It’s not. And saying so is not racism. It’s just the truth. Perhaps it doesn’t massage your ego or do anything to alleviate your inferiority complex but that’s the truth. The subcontinental Muslims are native to subcontinent and not USA or France.

Some basic facts that need to be stated here and somehow equating that stuff to racism is just the idiotic hindutva defense mechnism
 
HalBass9 said:
No religion is compatible with secularism, India itself is a prime example.
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Nailed it!

India tries to prove it the other way. Secularism to them is accommodating religion within the governmental framework.

That won’t work if you have faiths inherently with opposing ideology. You have to deal with them differently if you try to do that then you have to be fair to everyone.

In essence this is the opposite of secularism. True secularism is you allow citizens to practice their faith but keep the governance divorced from it.
 
Stewie said:
What even is Islamism.
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The one where Islam wants special treatment
Stewie said:
And once again it’s laughable you are comparing India to USA and France.
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Of course you would try phrase it as comparison with US France

It is about Secularism as a governing principle by the pioneers of secularism

You either are too stupid to get that or employing taqqiya as advocated by Islam

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And saying so is not racism.
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Of course it is. You are willing to accept secular as defined by the pioneers of the concept, who are white, and in US who are native.

You have problem with it in India. That’s the very definition of inferior minded racist.
Stewie said:
It’s just the truth. Perhaps it doesn’t massage your ego or do anything to alleviate your inferiority complex but that’s the truth.
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Accept that US more money and still has shitty governance? No problem accepting that.
Stewie said:
The subcontinental Muslims are native to subcontinent and not USA or France
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So? If they wanted special treatment for Islam , they should moved with Jinnah
Stewie said:
Some basic facts that need to be stated here and somehow equating that stuff to racism is just the idiotic hindutva defense mechnism
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I know it’s when a mirror is shown and you see a racist. You’ll get over it

Britistani seemed have mastered, uouywill too
 
rpant_gabba said:
The one where Islam wants special treatment

Of course you would try phrase it as comparison with US France

It is about Secularism as a governing principle by the pioneers of secularism

You either are too stupid to get that or employing taqqiya as advocated by Islam


Of course it is. You are willing to accept secular as defined by the pioneers of the concept, who are white, and in US who are native.

You have problem with it in India. That’s the very definition of inferior minded racist.

Accept that US more money and still has shitty governance? No problem accepting that.

So? If they wanted special treatment for Islam , they should moved with Jinnah

I know it’s when a mirror is shown and you see a racist. You’ll get over it

Britistani seemed have mastered, uouywill too
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Its quite clear you have some deep rooted issues against Islam but you allege racism when someone points out the truth to you. If you truly believe in secularism, you wouldnt even have made the Jinnah comment. But thats cool, you do you and I do me. This is a battle that unfortunately the muslims of India are stuck with. Believe me, I would have rather they all moved to Pakistan but they didnt, and put their egs in the wrong basket, as is being proved by the the extremely prejudiced sentiment here exhibited by you and your fellow hindus.
 
The West generally extends equal protections to all faiths, which is why people are free to express their beliefs, whether that’s wearing a hijab, a Christian headscarf, a cross, a kippah, a turban, a red string, or any other symbol of their religion.
 
looks like the indians havent changed one bit, nothing changed - since the gujarat butcher to the hindu delhi terrorist riots


hinduism is dying in india nd islam is increasing - they need to accept the change, not like even the indians who have posted in here follow hinduism correctly, they have no identity = all fake

Islam will prevail in india and the world :cool:
 
rpant_gabba said:
So? If they wanted special treatment for Islam , they should moved with Jinnah
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The ones that do want to move, you guys are holding them hostage with 800,000 security personnel. Support the freedom of Kashmir and maybe we'll believe your stance.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
looks like the indians havent changed one bit, nothing changed - since the gujarat butcher to the hindu delhi terrorist riots


hinduism is dying in india nd islam is increasing - they need to accept the change, not like even the indians who have posted in here follow hinduism correctly, they have no identity = all fake

Islam will prevail in india and the world :cool:
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Islam is increasing and becoming poorer.

This notion of having more kids to expand religion is ingrained deeply in many Muslims without any thought about their sustenance.

They contribute less but have the largest share of relying in government subsidies in India which is making them poorer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...es-data-analysis-reveals-101688097160955.html

Islam will prevail in India. Its not like India want to remove Muslims from India. But only the Muslims will suffer at this rate, as their extremism is pushing other majority groups to be cautious against them.

Muslims worldwide needs to change this victimhood mentality and look at themselves on why majority of Muslims nations are suffering.
 
daytrader said:
The ones that do want to move, you guys are holding them hostage with 800,000 security personnel. Support the freedom of Kashmir and maybe we'll believe your stance.
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Nah
Kashmir is part of India. If they want to move out of India, they are welcome. But Kashmir stays in India.

Just because Muslims feel like they want another country, they will get it??
 
Theanonymousone said:
Nah
Kashmir is part of India. If they want to move out of India, they are welcome. But Kashmir stays in India.

Just because Muslims feel like they want another country, they will get it??
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Well you clearly don't want Muslims in India. And no Kashmir is not a part of India, it's a disputed territory which India is occupying by force
 
daytrader said:
Well you clearly don't want Muslims in India. And no Kashmir is not a part of India, it's a disputed territory which India is occupying by force
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Why would I not want muslims in India??

They are ~20% of our population and it makes no logical sense to have those views. I don't want any extremism in Muslim community as much as in any community.

As fas as India is concerned, Kashmir belongs to India. There is no other stance. It’s a matter of time before it is resolved.

In 20 years, India would be in a position of strength similar ti China and would not need to care about anything else.
 
daytrader said:
Well you clearly don't want Muslims in India. And no Kashmir is not a part of India, it's a disputed territory which India is occupying by force
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And I don't support any sort of violence in Kashmir against Muslims. They should have as equal rights as anyone in India. And no-one in India would get a separate country at their will.

Better thing would be to give Kashmir the required support to get economic development. But non-state actors keep the issues burning.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Why would I not want muslims in India??

They are ~20% of our population and it makes no logical sense to have those views. I don't want any extremism in Muslim community as much as in any community.

As fas as India is concerned, Kashmir belongs to India. There is no other stance. It’s a matter of time before it is resolved.

In 20 years, India would be in a position of strength similar ti China and would not need to care about anything else.
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Don't know where we will be in 20 years time, but when have we ever had to worry about Kashmir since 1947?
 
Theanonymousone said:
Islam is increasing and becoming poorer.

This notion of having more kids to expand religion is ingrained deeply in many Muslims without any thought about their sustenance.

They contribute less but have the largest share of relying in government subsidies in India which is making them poorer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...es-data-analysis-reveals-101688097160955.html

Islam will prevail in India. Its not like India want to remove Muslims from India. But only the Muslims will suffer at this rate, as their extremism is pushing other majority groups to be cautious against them.

Muslims worldwide needs to change this victimhood mentality and look at themselves on why majority of Muslims nations are suffering.
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Even this thinking is outdated. In the UK the indigenous population is in decline, that is one of the reasons they need immigration to take up the slack. Japan and China are in a similar situation. Of course technology might change all that in the future, but as of now, there are still not enough nurses to care for the elderly in the UK, so we need Indian immigrants to change their nappies and give them sponge baths.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Even this thinking is outdated. In the UK the indigenous population is in decline, that is one of the reasons they need immigration to take up the slack. Japan and China are in a similar situation. Of course technology might change all that in the future, but as of now, there are still not enough nurses to care for the elderly in the UK, so we need Indian immigrants to change their nappies and give them sponge baths.
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It may be outdated in Western world but true in India.

And you do accept that, this notion of having more kids to propagate religion is ingrained in many muslim folk?

This obviously changes when people get higher education but Muslims sadly have low education rate globally. That's the case in India, Pakistan etc.
 
Theanonymousone said:
It may be outdated in Western world but true in India.

And you do accept that, this notion of having more kids to propagate religion is ingrained in many muslim folk?

This obviously changes when people get higher education but Muslims sadly have low education rate globally. That's the case in India, Pakistan etc.
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India will follow suit if they ever reach western standards of living, or even adopt a shift to individualistic mindset. People don't want marriage or kids in the west, they get in the way of a good time.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
India will follow suit if they ever reach western standards of living, or even adopt a shift to individualistic mindset. People don't want marriage or kids in the west, they get in the way of a good time.
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I think Indians on a majority level will never be able to that. The family system in India is quite robust. It has its faults but a core reason which keeps us running.

I think it’s the same across the sub-continent even for Muslims. But number of kids they have may reduce as the work stress these days doesn't give enough time to raise 2 kids on their own for parents.

Its only those people who are less-educated and firmly under the grip of the so called religious scholars have this mind set of propagating the religion through many kids even though they don't have financial capability to look after them. And many Muslims (primarily due to lack of education) are the forefront of this.

Definitely, the fertility rate will drop the replacement level of 2.1 in India in the near future. It already did in Southern India.
 
Theanonymousone said:
I think Indians on a majority level will never be able to that. The family system in India is quite robust. It has its faults but a core reason which keeps us running.

I think it’s the same across the sub-continent even for Muslims. But number of kids they have may reduce as the work stress these days doesn't give enough time to raise 2 kids on their own for parents.

Its only those people who are less-educated and firmly under the grip of the so called religious scholars have this mind set of propagating the religion through many kids even though they don't have financial capability to look after them. And many Muslims (primarily due to lack of education) are the forefront of this.

Definitely, the fertility rate will drop the replacement level of 2.1 in India in the near future. It already did in Southern India.
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You are sticking your head in the sand if you believe this. Perhaps you live in India and don't see where progressive thinking naturally leads. Give it another couple of generations and then let's see where you are.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Islam is increasing and becoming poorer.

This notion of having more kids to expand religion is ingrained deeply in many Muslims without any thought about their sustenance.

They contribute less but have the largest share of relying in government subsidies in India which is making them poorer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...es-data-analysis-reveals-101688097160955.html

Islam will prevail in India. Its not like India want to remove Muslims from India. But only the Muslims will suffer at this rate, as their extremism is pushing other majority groups to be cautious against them.

Muslims worldwide needs to change this victimhood mentality and look at themselves on why majority of Muslims nations are suffering.
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its good that you added that link, but why didnt you add any links from neutral sources (human rights, source) which confirms better info - such as thr all list india openly oppresses muslim - especially in kashmir - i can share many bjp leaders stating in interviews that the are proud of thr oppression onto muslims within india.....

please do share better data - i wnder why you dont
 
finalfantasy7 said:
its good that you added that link, but why didnt you add any links from neutral sources (human rights, source) which confirms better info - such as thr all list india openly oppresses muslim - especially in kashmir - i can share many bjp leaders stating in interviews that the are proud of thr oppression onto muslims within india.....

please do share better data - i wnder why you dont
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I dont have enough time to spam like you and collate links😁

India is a country of 1.4B people and fringe cases happen. There are many dumb leaders in BJP and so as n Muslims parties like Owaisi party.

What ever the issues, Kashmir is part of India and we will resolve it with our law and order. First we must guard against the non-state actors because of whom more than 1 generation of kashmir is lost in extremism. People are becoming more aware and there are 100’s of videos which also show how things improved after removing article 370.
 
Theanonymousone said:
I dont have enough time to spam like you and collate links😁

India is a country of 1.4B people and fringe cases happen. There are many dumb leaders in BJP and so as n Muslims parties like Owaisi party.

What ever the issues, Kashmir is part of India and we will resolve it with our law and order. First we must guard against the non-state actors because of whom more than 1 generation of kashmir is lost in extremism. People are becoming more aware and there are 100’s of videos which also show how things improved after removing article 370.
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i keep hearing this same nonsense about every indian doesnt have time - but yet your only on here typinh rubbish and running away from thes debates.....

start listing neutral sources regarding your statement - im waiting, i kow you wont just like every other sanghi (aka modi supporter) = everyone already knows ive listed loads of neutral sources stating india oppresses its muslim population - i just waiting to read a quality source from yourself

Kashmir isnt part of india, we go by the UN, and its states Indian Occupied Kashmir - all the maps i look at here in the west (UK) - they show this - im not kashmiri, im punjabi

Your comment on article 360 - your saying video, but when i list videos from indians on every thread ive posted - somehow those videos are all wrong and your right - even though you do what you have done (never post a legit article) i.e in this kashmir debate or indian muslim debate - a verified human watch organisation article

Example - i wont take your opinion over a crediable neutral source, hence the whole world uses phrases like indian keyboard warrior - i.e a idiot who types retarded statements in which they contradict themselves (true meaning of indian keboard warrior)

yet you've done this yet again along with this below list of saghis:


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @Devadwal @uppercut @straighttalk @Bhaijaan @Vikram1989 @Romali_rotti @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @RexRex @rpant_gabba, @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980 @Local.Dada @CrIc_Mystique @Van_Sri @nish_mate @SportsWarrior @kaayal @saimayubera @Prince of Dorne @Cryin Out Loud @just a fan @deltexas @Ramsay @Hikaru @Bhimja turtle @GoogleToggle @big_gamer007 @IndoorCricket @Hellion @Theanonymousone

hence ive havent @Bhaag Viru Bhaag - cuz hes a quality poster, if india does wrong he will say it , if pakistani does wrong he will say it, i do the same (im not nationalistic at all), you just notice my late night articles i list - then you write im a troll, - like ive explained your not the smartest
 
HalBass9 said:
The West generally extends equal protections to all faiths, which is why people are free to express their beliefs, whether that’s wearing a hijab, a Christian headscarf, a cross, a kippah, a turban, a red string, or any other symbol of their religion.
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So the burka is not a islamic requirement or are you making excuse for its banning in many places in the west? France, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Austria, and Switzerland, Portugal, Netherlands
 
rpant_gabba said:
So the burka is not a islamic requirement or are you making excuse for its banning in many places in the west? France, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Austria, and Switzerland, Portugal, Netherlands
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Shouldn't be banned.

I used the word 'generally'.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Most of these happened in the past couple of years. Maybe west waking up to the dangers of islam?
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Non of my non Muslim friends, neighbors, and colleagues find me dangerous.

Every Hindutva, KKK, or EDL find me extremely dangerous. Even the Hindutva pretending to be atheist.
 
rpant_gabba said:
You are deflecting.

A) burqa is Islamic requirement

B) burqa is fashion accessory for islamists

Which one is it
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I think most Muslims believe it's B i.e. an optional fashion accessory. However there are some opinions that it's A - a mandatory requirement.

In either case, there's no reason for it to be banned except in places like banks where it could be a security risk.

Most of the world including the West is unfortunately moving away from allowing these kind of personal freedoms. Islamic countries are and have always been strongly against personal freedoms in any case.
 
Red-Indian said:
I think most Muslims believe it's B i.e. an optional fashion accessory. However there are some opinions that it's A - a mandatory requirement.

In either case, there's no reason for it to be banned except in places like banks where it could be a security risk.

Most of the world including the West is unfortunately moving away from allowing these kind of personal freedoms. Islamic countries are and have always been strongly against personal freedoms in any case.
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becos many of these western countries arew waking up to the nature of islam/islamists for what it is, a virus which will kills its host without second thought?

Remember getting lectures about inclusivity when I lived in one of these countries in the 90's. The script had flipped when visited again in 2019.
 
rpant_gabba said:
You are deflecting.

A) burqa is Islamic requirement

B) burqa is fashion accessory for islamists

Which one is it
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Shouldn’t be banned. Simple, it is a personal religious choice.

Not that difficult to comprehend?
 
rpant_gabba said:
becos many of these western countries arew waking up to the nature of islam/islamists for what it is, a virus which will kills its host without second thought?

Remember getting lectures about inclusivity when I lived in one of these countries in the 90's. The script had flipped when visited again in 2019.
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Zohran Mamdani - The Muslim elected Mayor of Big Apple, the capital of the world.

Congratulations on confirming you have always been a racist bigot.
 
HalBass9 said:
Shouldn’t be banned. Simple, it is a personal religious choice.

Not that difficult to comprehend?
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Why do the "enlightened moderate" Paks have difficulty answering a simple question?

Based on your post, Burqa is an islamic fashion accessory.
 
rpant_gabba said:
And he will get booted out if promoted muslim personal laws.

pointing out facts is not bigotry.

you put the west on a pedestal. I showed you some facts that you were too weak to stomach.
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I didn’t put the West on a pedestal, I pointed out where you stand, at the bottom of the barrel. Learn the difference.

He’s promoting Muslim personal laws within the framework of secular law, participating in iftars, and recognizing Islam just as he does other religions.

Your argument, though, was that the West is ‘waking up’ and turning against Islam, yet voters elected a practicing Muslim mayor. That contradiction speaks for itself.

Try not to make a clown of yourself. You come across better than @uppercut and @globetrotter, at least keep that mask on.
 
rpant_gabba said:
So, a dozen or so Western democracies voted to ban the Islamic “letterbox” fashion accessory. Congratulations
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It's a silly costume but banning it is as absurd as banning nun's habits or bikini tops.

Why does it give you joy?
 
Red-Indian said:
It's a silly costume but banning it is as absurd as banning nun's habits or bikini tops.
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not quite is it. Its a fundamental approach to communication worldwide to view someones face and, in this day and age a security issue.
Red-Indian said:
Why does it give you joy?
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The person I replied implied that "the west" respects all religions and are more tolerant than "backward" India.

Just showed him whats happening in the "tolerant" west and how his faith is being viewed.
 
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finalfantasy7 said:
i keep hearing this same nonsense about every indian doesnt have time - but yet your only on here typinh rubbish and running away from thes debates.....

start listing neutral sources regarding your statement - im waiting, i kow you wont just like every other sanghi (aka modi supporter) = everyone already knows ive listed loads of neutral sources stating india oppresses its muslim population - i just waiting to read a quality source from yourself

Kashmir isnt part of india, we go by the UN, and its states Indian Occupied Kashmir - all the maps i look at here in the west (UK) - they show this - im not kashmiri, im punjabi

Your comment on article 360 - your saying video, but when i list videos from indians on every thread ive posted - somehow those videos are all wrong and your right - even though you do what you have done (never post a legit article) i.e in this kashmir debate or indian muslim debate - a verified human watch organisation article

Example - i wont take your opinion over a crediable neutral source, hence the whole world uses phrases like indian keyboard warrior - i.e a idiot who types retarded statements in which they contradict themselves (true meaning of indian keboard warrior)

yet you've done this yet again along with this below list of saghis:


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @Devadwal @uppercut @straighttalk @Bhaijaan @Vikram1989 @Romali_rotti @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @RexRex @rpant_gabba, @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980 @Local.Dada @CrIc_Mystique @Van_Sri @nish_mate @SportsWarrior @kaayal @saimayubera @Prince of Dorne @Cryin Out Loud @just a fan @deltexas @Ramsay @Hikaru @Bhimja turtle @GoogleToggle @big_gamer007 @IndoorCricket @Hellion @Theanonymousone

hence ive havent @Bhaag Viru Bhaag - cuz hes a quality poster, if india does wrong he will say it , if pakistani does wrong he will say it, i do the same (im not nationalistic at all), you just notice my late night articles i list - then you write im a troll, - like ive explained your not the smartest
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Who cares what you think or others think??
Last I ve seen, Majority of J&K is part of India and it will stay that way. While I don't want a war to annex the disputed category impacting the lives of people there, India need to find a way to resolve.

And my stance is clear. J&K is part of India and thats what Indians consider. All the cry and hues about China annexing territories, Russia annexing territories and what did the UN do?? Its the reality.
 
HalBass9 said:
I didn’t put the West on a pedestal, I pointed out where you stand, at the bottom of the barrel. Learn the difference.

He’s promoting Muslim personal laws within the framework of secular law, participating in iftars, and recognizing Islam just as he does other religions.

Your argument, though, was that the West is ‘waking up’ and turning against Islam, yet voters elected a practicing Muslim mayor. That contradiction speaks for itself.

Try not to make a clown of yourself. You come across better than @uppercut and @globetrotter, at least keep that mask on.
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Habibi , any update on your spine growth ? No luck ehh ?


Remember this Habibi ? A Jewish Israeli Woman vs 3 Pakistani Men — Taqiyya Didn’t Save Them

perhaps that real fear of humilating pwnage is getting in the way of your spine growth ? :cigar
 
HalBass9 said:
I didn’t put the West on a pedestal, I pointed out where you stand, at the bottom of the barrel. Learn the difference.

He’s promoting Muslim personal laws within the framework of secular law, participating in iftars, and recognizing Islam just as he does other religions.

Your argument, though, was that the West is ‘waking up’ and turning against Islam, yet voters elected a practicing Muslim mayor. That contradiction speaks for itself.

Try not to make a clown of yourself. You come across better than @uppercut and @globetrotter, at least keep that mask on.
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So he is not and will not be asking for a separate civil lawsuit for muslims?

Isn’t the banning of burqa Islam specific? If yes, the west is taking steps against islam
 
Theanonymousone said:
Who cares what you think or others think??
Last I ve seen, Majority of J&K is part of India and it will stay that way. While I don't want a war to annex the disputed category impacting the lives of people there, India need to find a way to resolve.

And my stance is clear. J&K is part of India and thats what Indians consider. All the cry and hues about China annexing territories, Russia annexing territories and what did the UN do?? Its the reality.
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You've have this wrong, the UN and most countries in the world state India Occupied Kashmir - and we go by them, just like how thrs no official Palestine but the UN disagrees

you need to accept thr Kashmiri vote, just like how i will accept if both parts want to become thr own country of if they would want to become part of Pakistan - thr choice - not yours

your veyy much a dictator = i bet you get this from being a Modi supporter
 
rpant_gabba said:
So he is not and will not be asking for a separate civil lawsuit for muslims?

Isn’t the banning of burqa Islam specific? If yes, the west is taking steps against islam
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He isn’t, there’s always going to be bigots like yourself and @uppercut just as Hindutva are in India who would try to justify mass murder and bigotry against a group out of pure ignorance and hatred. Had happened and will continue to happen.

Why would he when the law already accommodate religion.
 
HalBass9 said:
He isn’t, there’s always going to be bigots like yourself and @uppercut just as Hindutva are in India who would try to justify mass murder and bigotry against a group out of pure ignorance and hatred. Had happened and will continue to happen.

Why would he when the law already accommodate religion.
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Says the guy who goes on batting tirelessly for the "rights" of rogue muslim goons in India to indulge in unfettered intolerance and defiling of other religious beliefs ... classic case of ulta chor and all that ...

Habibi, Right now I’m just feeling pure schadenfreude watching your impotent rage boil over uncontrollably, leaving you squirming and unable to answer even the simplest questions ... exactly like those 3 dudes from your cult experienced in that video .... keep digging though
 
RexRex said:
UCC or even American style secularism is a good thing provided it is fair to everyone. Why is @HalBass9 opposed to it ?
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becos apparently you can't compare US with India. Maybe @Stewie can clarify what he meant by that if you ask him. becos I was getting responses that matched that of racist ********.
 
rpant_gabba said:
So American style secularism is bigotry when implemented in India?

Is that becos India is poor or America is white?
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American universities have no issue with having faith room in the universities.

Americans have no issue with someone taking extra 15 minutes to pray Friday prayers, some times with the establishment.

American law doesn’t prohibit someone from wearing hijab in the universities, office or military unless it’s Trump’s administration.

American do not care if Amish practice polygamy.

American have no issue with exclusive Mormon universities.

The 1% population isn’t changing the constitution rather the Americans have elected a Mayor from that 1% population.
 
RexRex said:
UCC or even American style secularism is a good thing provided it is fair to everyone. Why is @HalBass9 opposed to it ?
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Lets got through the list shall we, evangelical nut jobs hate it. CAIR loves and apparently most muslims who live in US and move to it, thought they wish it was more islamic.

Hindus aren't bothered.

Athiests like me would prefer if religious/organization aren't tax exempt.
 
rpant_gabba said:
becos apparently you can't compare US with India. Maybe @Stewie can clarify what he meant by that if you ask him. becos I was getting responses that matched that of racist ********.
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Was it in this thread or some other ? Stewie has a habit of not engaging his brain in some of these discussions.
 
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