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Why did Hindus become Islamophobic?

I think most Muslims believe it's B i.e. an optional fashion accessory. However there are some opinions that it's A - a mandatory requirement.

In either case, there's no reason for it to be banned except in places like banks where it could be a security risk.

Most of the world including the West is unfortunately moving away from allowing these kind of personal freedoms. Islamic countries are and have always been strongly against personal freedoms in any case.

I think the Islamic world is against public freedom not personal. In any case, the rest of the world can follow it's own beliefs, if they are moving away from personal freedom then that's their choice, and it speaks for their own values, not anyone else's.
 
American universities have no issue with having faith room in the universities.
yes they do. In public schools, if it is imposed by the univeristy or led by any school authority, it has been struck down the courts.
Americans have no issue with someone taking extra 15 minutes to pray Friday prayers, some times with the establishment.
Try missing a meeting or job becos of yor prayer, you'll find out real fast.
American law doesn’t prohibit someone from wearing hijab in the universities, office or military unless it’s Trump’s administration.
not if it is a public a school with a required school uniform.
American do not care if Amish practice polygamy.
are you sure? BTW polygamy a thing with mormons, not amish.


Even Mormon land Utah , it is illegal
American have no issue with exclusive Mormon universities.
And? Aligarh Muslim university ring a bell?
The 1% population isn’t changing the constitution rather the Americans have elected a Mayor from that 1% population.
So, all of this is possible with uniform civil code.

Now explain what part of UCC would be problem.

Up your game beyond “Hindutva” “bigot”

So far you are an intellectual embarrassment
 
Lets got through the list shall we, evangelical nut jobs hate it. CAIR loves and apparently most muslims who live in US and move to it, thought they wish it was more islamic.

Hindus aren't bothered.

Athiests like me would prefer if religious/organization aren't tax exempt.

America is accommodating, it allows Muslims to practice Islam freely because that right is protected by the Constitution. Muslims seek to uphold and preserve those constitutional freedoms, while you’re advocating for a more radical approach that disregards them.

In doing so, you’re positioning yourself against the very principles of the American Constitution.

Please assimilate.

Thanks
 
Weird obsession with Muslims, honestly, it’s impressive at this point.

Apparently, 1% of the population has somehow managed to rewrite the Constitution overnight, all while Americans are out here electing Muslim mayors in major cities. Makes total sense, right?

These clowns never fail to amaze.

At this point, I’m just waiting for @uppercut to drop another reply probably from on top of (or under) a cow, firing off responses to every Muslim on this forum. Maybe @Bhaag Viru Bhaag can help take the pics?

If a white American or a native American writes that, I can see a point.

An immigrant Indian bhakt writing that? That's cringy and comical.

These bhakts need to understand their retarded viewpoints are not applicable outside of India. :inti
 
These clowns never fail to amaze.

At this point, I’m just waiting for @uppercut to drop another reply probably from on top of (or under) a cow, firing off responses to every Muslim on this forum. Maybe @Bhaag Viru Bhaag can help take the pics?
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yes they do. In public schools, if it is imposed by the univeristy or led by any school authority, it has been struck down the courts.

Try missing a meeting or job becos of yor prayer, you'll find out real fast.

not if it is a public a school with a required school uniform.

are you sure? BTW polygamy a thing with mormons, not amish.


Even Mormon land Utah , it is illegal

And? Aligarh Muslim university ring a bell?

So, all of this is possible with uniform civil code.

Now explain what part of UCC would be problem.

Up your game beyond “Hindutva” “bigot”

So far you are an intellectual embarrassment
Come live in America and try to understand the laws, particularly religious based laws that are based from the constitution.

Good luck.

Dealing with Hindutvas so have no choice but to call them out for who they are.
 
America is accommodating, it allows Muslims to practice Islam freely because that right is protected by the Constitution. Muslims seek to uphold and preserve those constitutional freedoms, while you’re advocating for a more radical approach that disregards them
Assertion. Prove. What constitutional freedoms have disregarded? Quote it.

What does UCC in India stops mushroom doing that they can do in US?
In doing so, you’re positioning yourself against the very principles of the American Constitution.

Please assimilate.
Muslims are last group in the world to tell others to assimilate. If you doubt me look up the countries banning the burqa
 
If a white American or a native American writes that, I can see a point.

An immigrant Indian bhakt writing that? That's cringy and comical.

These bhakts need to understand their retarded viewpoints are not applicable outside of India. :inti

Na majority of the educated white Americans from blue states have no issue, it is predominantly red states, the worse school system, health care, governance and poverty, that’s mainly because they’ve been lied and brainwashed.

Clown in this thread trying to convince the faith room doesn’t exist in the universities or the public schools in America aren’t giving out Eid as Holidays for the entire school.

😂
 
Come live in America and try to understand the laws, particularly religious based laws that are based from the constitution.
Been here 30+ yeara

Quote me the religious based laws one which makes special exemptions for a particular religion.

Don’t go into Sunday church bs or Christmas holiday nonsense

1st Amendment is very clear and inspite of Trumps attempts the establishment clause has holding steady
Good luck.
With what?
Dealing with Hindutvas so have no choice but to call them out for who they are.
You haven’t called out ****. I’ll choose you as my opponent in any thing and everything
 
Na majority of the educated white Americans from blue states have no issue, it is predominantly red states, the worse school system, health care, governance and poverty, that’s mainly because they’ve been lied and brainwashed.

Clown in this thread trying to convince the faith room doesn’t exist in the universities or the public schools in America aren’t giving out Eid as Holidays for the entire school.

😂

I know.

I was just saying if a white redneck or a native American writes this, I can see a point even if it is stupid.

Bhakts writing this is double stupid. :inti
 
Na majority of the educated white Americans from blue states have no issue, it is predominantly red states, the worse school system, health care, governance and poverty, that’s mainly because they’ve been lied and brainwashed.

Clown in this thread trying to convince the faith room doesn’t exist in the universities or the public schools in America aren’t giving out Eid as Holidays for the entire school.

😂
Dumbass, do you recognize the difference between laws everyone has to follow and organizations making accommodations?

Keep digging
 
Been here 30+ yeara

Quote me the religious based laws one which makes special exemptions for a particular religion.

Don’t go into Sunday church bs or Christmas holiday nonsense

1st Amendment is very clear and inspite of Trumps attempts the establishment clause has holding steady

With what?

You haven’t called out ****. I’ll choose you as my opponent in any thing and everything


Freedom to practice religion and no discrimination based on religion.

No one is forcing Muslim to yell out, “ Jai Shri Ram” when they take 5 mins extra to pray or asking to remove the hijab because @uppercut feelings got hurt.
 
Assertion. Prove. What constitutional freedoms have disregarded? Quote it.

What does UCC in India stops mushroom doing that they can do in US?

Muslims are last group in the world to tell others to assimilate. If you doubt me look up the countries banning the burqa

You better assimilate, and respect the constitution.
 
awww poor habibi, look what I have reduced you to - a bumbling jihadi extremist boiling over in completely uncontrolled impotent rage and unable to answer simple questions tsk tsk - that too in your own backyard amongst your own adorable cackling minions from the pind .... ouch. thats what pure textbook pwnage looks like :cigar
Well done, @HalBass9. :yk :inti
 
Dumbass, do you recognize the difference between laws everyone has to follow and organizations making accommodations?

Keep digging

The laws says, people are allowed to wear whatever they wish as per their religious requirement in school, military, court, hospital, senate and at the White House, hence freedom to practice their religion.
 
You better assimilate, and respect the constitution.
So no answer? guess shame is not a quality instilled in muslims

Let me ask again.

Prove What constitutional freedoms have I disregarded? Quote it.

What does UCC in India stops mushroom doing that they can do in US?
 
So no answer? guess shame is not a quality instilled in muslims

Let me ask again.

Prove What constitutional freedoms have I disregarded? Quote it.

What does UCC in India stops mushroom doing that they can do in US?

tag me if you ever get a straight response from him to your simple questions
 
Who cares what you think or others think??
Last I ve seen, Majority of J&K is part of India and it will stay that way. While I don't want a war to annex the disputed category impacting the lives of people there, India need to find a way to resolve.

And my stance is clear. J&K is part of India and thats what Indians consider. All the cry and hues about China annexing territories, Russia annexing territories and what did the UN do?? Its the reality.
You've have this wrong, the UN and most countries in the world state India Occupied Kashmir - and we go by them, just like how thrs no official Palestine but the UN disagrees

you need to accept thr Kashmiri vote, just like how i will accept if both parts want to become thr own country of if they would want to become part of Pakistan - thr choice - not yours

your veyy much a dictator = i bet you get this from being a Modi supporter
why have you ran away from me - yet again
 
Says the guy who goes on batting tirelessly for the "rights" of rogue muslim goons in India to indulge in unfettered intolerance and defiling of other religious beliefs ... classic case of ulta chor and all that ...

Habibi, Right now I’m just feeling pure schadenfreude watching your impotent rage boil over uncontrollably, leaving you squirming and unable to answer even the simplest questions ... exactly like those 3 dudes from your cult experienced in that video .... keep digging though
@uppercut just answer his questions, raised at post 145, look i've quoted it below
I didn’t put the West on a pedestal, I pointed out where you stand, at the bottom of the barrel. Learn the difference.

He’s promoting Muslim personal laws within the framework of secular law, participating in iftars, and recognizing Islam just as he does other religions.

Your argument, though, was that the West is ‘waking up’ and turning against Islam, yet voters elected a practicing Muslim mayor. That contradiction speaks for itself.

Try not to make a clown of yourself. You come across better than @uppercut and @globetrotter, at least keep that mask on.
 
Ok, you got me on typo. congrats.

how about you answer the question? do you have any pride at all?
Why is it ok to keep special dispensation for Hindus that UCC tends to dance around and address? Why is slaughter of animals in certain Indian states banned and will remain banned including transportation, etc?

If you want to compare UCC with the freedoms Muslims enjoy in the western world, why would you conveniently ignore this special restriction on their freedoms? We love steak and nihari.

But obviously this would never be clearly answered, will it? All of a sudden this becomes part of criminal law and not UCC.
 
@uppercut just answer his questions, raised at post 145, look i've quoted it below

Genius .... he is the one that has been dodging answering my simple question for years now ... which is why I chase him around and mock him ... ask him why ... see if he will explain you.

And you should be the very last person on Gods green earth lecturing me about abuse/insults. Here have a look at how many hits this brings:


yet again, you like to insult people

and that crap jewish women and 3 pakistani video is hilarious - considering the jewish women is incorrect
 
So no answer? guess shame is not a quality instilled in muslims

Let me ask again.

Prove What constitutional freedoms have I disregarded? Quote it.

What does UCC in India stops mushroom doing that they can do in US?

Wear hijab. Not get slaughtered for not having beef.
 
Damn, I feel special.

Indeed Habibi .... it takes special "skills" to be proud about openly practicing bigotry and intolerance but yet proclaim to be a champion of "Human" rights, "Secularism" and all those big words ... thou are one of a kind Habibi your folks back in the pind must be really proud of your accomplishments. 👏👏
 
aww habibi, you didn't tell him that you considering desecrating religious beliefs of others as your birth right did ya .... naughty boy

Why are you trying to sound like an old bald Indian uncle waiting for the cow to urinate so you can receive golden shower in the hope that you'll grow back your hair?

Naughty boy?
 
Indeed Habibi .... it takes special "skills" to be proud about openly practicing bigotry and intolerance but yet proclaim to be a champion of "Human" rights, "Secularism" and all those big words ... thou are one of a kind Habibi your folks back in the pind must be really proud of your accomplishments. 👏👏

I believe anyone would be proud to not elect politicians woo would want to slaughter humans over a cow.
 
This thread proves the point yet again. India is not, and has never truly been, a secular state. The framework of “secularism” is routinely invoked, but in practice it functions more as a veneer, one that obscures a persistent tilt toward majoritarian religious dominance. What is presented as neutrality often operates as selective accommodation, reinforcing the reality that the system aligns more closely with the ideals of a Hindu rashtra than with genuine secular principles.

@rpant_gabba, your boy ain't helping your case, not the you had any case to begin with.
 
This thread proves the point yet again. India is not, and has never truly been, a secular state. The framework of “secularism” is routinely invoked, but in practice it functions more as a veneer, one that obscures a persistent tilt toward majoritarian religious dominance. What is presented as neutrality often operates as selective accommodation, reinforcing the reality that the system aligns more closely with the ideals of a Hindu rashtra than with genuine secular principles.

@rpant_gabba, your boy ain't helping your case, not the you had any case to begin with.

India is secular only by name trying to fool others.

One person's one vote clearly means that in the name of democracy the majority will always win. They can do whatever they want to. And that is exactly what is happening.
 
aww habibi, you didn't tell him that you considering desecrating religious beliefs of others as your birth right did ya .... naughty boy

Habibi ... You expertly left that middle stump yorker alone ... :ROFLMAO:

This thread proves the point yet again. India is not, and has never truly been, a secular state. The framework of “secularism” is routinely invoked, but in practice it functions more as a veneer, one that obscures a persistent tilt toward majoritarian religious dominance. What is presented as neutrality often operates as selective accommodation, reinforcing the reality that the system aligns more closely with the ideals of a Hindu rashtra than with genuine secular principles.

See above ... spell out whats involved in your definition of "Secularism" ( laughable that a extremist like you is even lecturing others on Secularism )

@rpant_gabba, your boy ain't helping your case, not the you had any case to begin with.

Habibi ... Start answering simple questions and you will get properly nailed

I believe anyone would be proud to not elect politicians woo would want to slaughter humans over a cow.

Habibi I think you mean rogue wild animals .... no ? :cigar
 
India is secular only by name trying to fool others.

One person's one vote clearly means that in the name of democracy the majority will always win. They can do whatever they want to. And that is exactly what is happening.
you mean you want special laws that protect general Muslim tendencies to pee on sacred Hindu beliefs such as Cow protection and brazenly occupy sacred Hindu temples ( amongst many other such despicable acts ).

Right ?
 
you mean you want special laws that protect general Muslim tendencies to pee on sacred Hindu beliefs such as Cow protection and brazenly occupy sacred Hindu temples ( amongst many other such despicable acts ).

Right ?

Do not pretend to be ignorant here , you very well know what I am talking about.

I clearly mentioned the fact that in this kind of democracy it will always be majority that do whatever they want specially when The head of the state is a member of RSS a hateful cult.

How is cow protection a Hindu belief? By the way can you show me what exactly are hindu beliefs ? I am very eager to know.
 
I agree. I am not convinced by the ‘appeasement leading to Islamophobia’ argument at all. People talking about shah bano case, or Muslim personal law etc. how’s that offensive to hindus? How could these issues justify hate and persecution.
Muslims were given subsidy to visit Haj where as no other religions got any kind of benefit .Govt airlines gave lots of subsidiestoo..no christian /jew got subsidy to visit jerusalem. No Buddhist got subsidy to visit china . No sikh got subsidy to visit kartapur.Pm of india( from congress party) publicly declared "Muslims are the first rightful holders of the place"?.how is it possible in ideal/secular world.subsidy have to be striken down by court after 45 years.
 
I think the Islamic world is against public freedom not personal. In any case, the rest of the world can follow it's own beliefs, if they are moving away from personal freedom then that's their choice, and it speaks for their own values, not anyone else's.
I'm suprised. I thought it's generally accepted that the Islamic world in general and Islamic countries specifically are against personal freedoms.

Freedom of speech is restricted by prohibitions on blasphemy, on proselytisation of religions other than Islam etc.
Freedom of religion is restricted by the prohibition to renounce Islam
Freedom of expression by limits on decent (whatever that means) clothing, bans on homosexuality

The Western world in general and Western democracies in particular for a long while believed in personal freedoms and held by those beliefs. Unfortunately, they're moving away from these principles as well - bans on religious clothing like Burqas, controls on press freedom etc.
 
Muslims were given subsidy to visit Haj where as no other religions got any kind of benefit .Govt airlines gave lots of subsidiestoo..no christian /jew got subsidy to visit jerusalem. No Buddhist got subsidy to visit china . No sikh got subsidy to visit kartapur.Pm of india( from congress party) publicly declared "Muslims are the first rightful holders of the place"?.how is it possible in ideal/secular world.subsidy have to be striken down by court after 45 years.
It was phased out since 2012 .
 
Do not pretend to be ignorant here , you very well know what I am talking about.

I clearly mentioned the fact that in this kind of democracy it will always be majority that do whatever they want specially when The head of the state is a member of RSS a hateful cult.

How is cow protection a Hindu belief? By the way can you show me what exactly are hindu beliefs ? I am very eager to know.



I will most certainly answer EVERY SINGLE question that you have no matter how controversial or politically incorrect it might be on this topic. However I'am most certain that you will slip away from this debate when you find yourself on the wrong side of it.

So in the best interest of time I want you and the mods to confirm to this standard of debate listed below


My own rules of this debate:

I will NEVER EVER ABUSE/INSULT/MOCK/RIDICULE/DIS-RESPECT your beliefs.


However if YOU cross the line I will guarantee you that you will get at-least twice as much in return.



Confirm that you have that sort of discipline , etiquette and rigor before you indulge in this debate.



from my side I will guaranteed you that you will always get a blunt/straightforward answer to your questions no matterr how controversial .. as I am very very very secure with my beliefs and religion.



but I am very sure that you will never be able to hold yourselves to that standard(time will tell).

Go ahead and confirm that you have this sort of appetite for a TRULY serious mature discussion.
 
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Why is it ok to keep special dispensation for Hindus that UCC tends to dance around and address? Why is slaughter of animals in certain Indian states banned and will remain banned including transportation, etc?
Simple answer they shouldn't. If it did, it wouldn't be uniform civil code would it?

You might want to pay closer attention to my posts.
If you want to compare UCC with the freedoms Muslims enjoy in the western world, why would you conveniently ignore this special restriction on their freedoms? We love steak and nihari.
and you should have every tight to enjoy as much as "hindus" enjoy mutton. I'm i na bit of tight spot becos, I have to watch my lipids and can't digest mutton.
But obviously this would never be clearly answered, will it? All of a sudden this becomes part of criminal law and not UCC.
It would not be possible to work thro it f UCC as a concept cannot be discussed and argued about.
 
As per google its 2018.whenever it is, that's subsidy from public tax is downright shameful.ideallly , it should be abolished as soon as secularism was introduced in 76.
While I am against Haj subsidies, there's no point getting too precious about it. Even today, the Central and state governments spend a significant amount on facilitating the Amarnath Yatra.

Indian secularism has always been different from the western model. The government is involved in running a bunch of temples (maybe even makes a profit off them). Blasphemy on all religions (including Hinduism and Islam) is illegal etc.

Religion is very closely tied with identities and emotions in the subcontinent so the State can't remain utterly divorced from it since it impinges on other aspects of governance.
 
While I am against Haj subsidies, there's no point identities and emotions in the subcontinent so the State can't remain utterly divorced from it since it impinges on other aspects of governance.
Once u start appeasing u have to go down the route to make the ends meet among different communities.we know how sha bano case turned out be disastrous .if u don't have the guts , u should not go down in that route .congress thought including secularism in the constitution is as easy as fake election promise. Ambedkar and co predicted correctly that we can stay/behave as secularist but can't force it constitutional wise.
 
Once u start appeasing u have to go down the route to make the ends meet among different communities.we know how sha bano case turned out be disastrous .if u don't have the guts , u should not go down in that route .congress thought including secularism in the constitution is as easy as fake election promise. Ambedkar and co predicted correctly that we can stay/behave as secularist but can't force it constitutional wise.
Here moreover govt spends on infrastructure for amarnath yatra not on subsidy.so a hindu have to bear it in full .

Less said about the temple funds and other religion funds is much better.Its a shambolic treatment at the best.
 
Here moreover govt spends on infrastructure for amarnath yatra not on subsidy.so a hindu have to bear it in full .

Less said about the temple funds and other religion funds is much better.Its a shambolic treatment at the best.
Yes government involvement in Indian religions is messy - Kumbh Melas, Amarnath Yatra, Kailash Mansoravar are significant spends. While the Hajj subsidy is gone, there is still government involvement. I remember there used to be a special Haj terminal and infrastructure at Mumbai airport. Haven't noticed it recently.

I guess all I'm saying is that the concept of zero government involvement in religious issues is impractical in India. People will get fleeced, do dangerous things and may trigger conflict.
 
Here moreover govt spends on infrastructure for amarnath yatra not on subsidy.so a hindu have to bear it in full .

Less said about the temple funds and other religion funds is much better.Its a shambolic treatment at the best.
Haj subsidy. Let's be open on this
 
Simple answer they shouldn't. If it did, it wouldn't be uniform civil code would it?

You might want to pay closer attention to my posts.

and you should have every tight to enjoy as much as "hindus" enjoy mutton. I'm i na bit of tight spot becos, I have to watch my lipids and can't digest mutton.

It would not be possible to work thro it f UCC as a concept cannot be discussed and argued about.
so there you have it - you can claim moral high ground because your views differ but the ground realities are totally different.

You cannot blame Muslims for sticking to their guns then, can you? If the government truly wants a fair treatment and a fair UCC, they can but so far it only seems to target one demographic.
 
Haj subsidy. Let's be open on this
Imagine a damn very big and a poor country growing at the rate of 1% per annum giving subsidy for international travel .India suffered from economic implications of bangla war and migration in 71. Congress had the official election slogan of "garibi hatao" in 71 elections .its an economic disaster as india don't have enough even infrastructure to start.Even shekhar gupta said 87 karachi telecommunication operations were far better/professional than Indian exchanges. Nothing open about that policy.china opened its markets in 76 but we were thinking about short term benefits for the elections.
 
So in the best interest of time I want you and the mods to confirm to this standard of debate listed below


My own rules of this debate:

I will NEVER EVER ABUSE/INSULT/MOCK/RIDICULE/DIS-RESPECT your beliefs.


However if YOU cross the line I will guarantee you that you will get at-least twice as much in return.



Confirm that you have that sort of discipline , etiquette and rigor before you indulge in this debate.



from my side I will guaranteed you that you will always get a blunt/straightforward answer to your questions no matterr how controversial .. as I am very very very secure with my beliefs and religion.



but I am very sure that you will never be able to hold yourselves to that standard(time will tell).

Go ahead and confirm that you have this sort of appetite for a TRULY serious mature discussion.
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Why is it ok to keep special dispensation for Hindus that UCC tends to dance around and address? Why is slaughter of animals in certain Indian states banned and will remain banned including transportation, etc?

Because cows are sacred in Hinduism more than say burning the Quran is ( which BTW is a punishable offense in India).

But let me guess what you are saying is that you want to retain the "Right" to desecrate Hindu religious beliefs ... right ?
 
Because cows are sacred in Hinduism more than say burning the Quran is ( which BTW is a punishable offense in India).

But let me guess what you are saying is that you want to retain the "Right" to desecrate Hindu religious beliefs ... right ?
You want to compare yourselves to western democracies and their UCC, then act like it. Why special dispensation for Hindus?

If you want the freedom to burn Quran, you can have it. We have plenty of copies and its actually burnt into the hearts and minds of Muslims. You can use whatever tool necessary to show your hatred of Muslims.

But dont go around preaching about UCC and complaining about special dispensation for Muslims, if you Hindus yourselves have a lot of such benefits in today's India, and you want to hold on to them but just rob Muslims of theirs under the guise of UCC.

How about making it illegal to pollute rivers with your dead? Do you have the balls to do it? Thats not benefitting just muslims. thats going to benefit everyone. Stop putting crap in Ganges and other rivers. Make it part of UCC as well. Protect the environment. All civilized nations are doing it now.
 
You are welcome to. Don’t wear it in school with a dress code or switch schools


Law and order issue. Like getting choked to death by cops in US being black.

I can do this all day bro. You are weak minded intellectually inferior 🤡
Maybe the intellectually superior mind is choosing to neglect the fact that most UCC in civilized world does not make it illegal for you to source your protein as you choose.
 
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