Why do mediocre players from Mumbai get so many chances?

[Mariner1981]

I have seen this trend for last 10-15 years mediocre players from Mumbai are hyped like anything and given n number of chances inspite of failing so many times.
Current examples Shardul Thakur and Shreyas Iyer. Both are being exposed for what they are.
Iyer is being exposed as a ftb.
Less said about Shardul Thakur is more.
What do you think guys.

 

[MP2011]

Won't necessarily link it to just Mumbai players only. Our biggest issue is the quality of selections ever since Kohli became our ODI captain.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Dunno why Thakur is getting so many chances but Iyer is a domestic beast. Scored the most sixes in both Vijay Hazare and Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 trophy in 2018. Doesn't have to do with him being from Mumbai.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because Mumbai has the strongest lobby in Bcci selections. You will be hard pressed to find a Indian team that has played any significant length of time without a Mumbai player.

Mumbai also produces some very fine players.

Iyer is in the tesm based on his domestic performance.

Thakur has two powerful lobbies behind him. Mumbai and CSK.

 

[Mamoon]

Iyer is a quality player. He averages 43 at a SR of 100+ in ODIs and his F/C record is mind-boggling.

Indian fans have extraordinarily high expectations from their batsmen. If they are not as good as Kohli and Rohit, they think they are not good enough.

Iyer would be hyped as the next big thing if he was Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lanka.

He doesn’t have the same potential as Gill or Shaw, but he can be a very useful player for a long time.

 

[Mariner1981]

I have nothing against Iyer but the way he is playing against the Aussie quicks , I feel his weakness against shortball is exposed now.
It looks like he is scared from the 1st odi short ball barrage. Today also he looked afraid against Starc. Mind you Starc for me is the best odi bowler.
The way he got out Kohli looked completely disgusted.

 

[Hasan123]

Thakur is average but Iyer is a quality player who has done well so far.

 

[Saj]

It's a bit like the Karachi syndrome over the years.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I have seen this trend for last 10-15 years mediocre players from Mumbai are hyped like anything and given n number of chances inspite of failing so many times.
Current examples Shardul Thakur and Shreyas Iyer. Both are being exposed for what they are.
Iyer is being exposed as a ftb.
Less said about Shardul Thakur is more.
What do you think guys.

What is FTB lol He failed in matches that were played on flat track. I understood his failure against Starc. But he is a spinner killer. If he faces zampa again he will get his revenge

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shreyas Iyer 71,65,70,53 before registering 7, 4, 7 .

 

[Mean&Green]

Shreyas Iyer 71,65,70,53 before registering 7, 4, 7 .

Oppositions have to be taken in account as well

 

[tyron_woodley]

Shreyas Iyer 71,65,70,53 before registering 7, 4, 7 .

he is rubbish and you know it. He ain't no labu.

him, thakur should never play for india again.

finchy
warner
smith
labu
Maxwell
Carey
stoinis
cummins
starc
hazelwood
zampa or marsh

that's the best australia can put out.

vs

Shaw potentially or rohit
dhawan or Mayank
kohli
gill
Rahul
pant
pandya
jaddu bhai or kuldeep
saini
bumrah
shami
^ this my boy is a great team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

also thank you australia for exposing thakur and iyer. Please do it one more Time to make sure iyer only plays t20 or something.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Oppositions have to be taken in account as well

You mean the opposition against which Yasir Shah made a 100? lol Anybody score runs against anyone these days. There is no team you can say for sure that everyone will struggle to score runs against. No team has that kind of bowling. Some are better. Some are poor. No team is invincible. Iyer's failure is not because it is against Aussies. He failed in a match against Windies as well.

 

[sshakir411]

It's a bit like the Karachi syndrome over the years.

Only difference is BCCI is based out of Mumbai but PCB isn’t in Karachi.

 

[Mariner1981]

Jnaveen1980 Shane Warne has a score of 86 in tests against Pakistan. A attack which consisted of Wasim, shoaib and Mushtaq. You mean to say they were useless bowlers, no they are great bowlers. So one big innings by Yasir shah doesn’t not make the Australian attack useless.
Iyer scores heavily against wi and Sri Lanka. It’s not about how many runs he is scoring against Australia it is about how he is playing them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

You mean the opposition against which Yasir Shah made a 100? lol Anybody score runs against anyone these days. There is no team you can say for sure that everyone will struggle to score runs against. No team has that kind of bowling. Some are better. Some are poor. No team is invincible. Iyer's failure is not because it is against Aussies. He failed in a match against Windies as well.

yasir scored because Australians took the pedal off the gas. They knew they were already cruising.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jnaveen1980 Shane Warne has a score of 86 in tests against Pakistan. A attack which consisted of Wasim, shoaib and Mushtaq. You mean to say they were useless bowlers, no they are great bowlers. So one big innings by Yasir shah doesn’t not make the Australian attack useless.
Iyer scores heavily against wi and Sri Lanka. It’s not about how many runs he is scoring against Australia it is about how he is playing them.

I distinctly remember the first series of Ganguly in Australia. And also i remember his 144 at the Gabba against Aussies. For 2 years they were looking for no.4 trying Rayudu, Shankar etc there when this guy was slogging in domestic. As soon as he walked in he made 4 fifties in a row. So you don't drop him after a couple of failures. It sends the wrong signal to other players. You should allow him to fail more before discarding him. We cannot arbitrarily drop someone just because we perceive he would fail against certain type of bowling. He has done well in A tour. Did okay in the IPL where he did play against international bowlers.

 

[Mariner1981]

Naveen I agree with you on this post I would also like him to succeed, just that the way he played in the last 2 odi’s was very disappointing.Hopefully he learns and improves his game against the very best.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Naveen I agree with you on this post I would also like him to succeed, just that the way he played in the last 2 odi’s was very disappointing.Hopefully he learns and improves his game against the very best.

This is an inconsequential series. He has a very good six hitting ability something we should not under-estimate. It is a matter of fine tuning his game to target the right bowlers. Already shown he can produce massive overs by breaking the record of most runs in an over for an Indian. Guys like him can change the game in a matter of 3 or 4 overs. Let us focus on his strengths and see how he can maximize it.

 

[ind_win]

mumbai, gujarat, delhi, U.p lobbies are the strongest in Indian cricket set up.
Especially mumbai is strongest of the four. It could be attributed to ranji champoinships (41 times)+ Money-factor + cricket was largely popular in that part of the country even before independence of India- to name a few you should have seen the likes of salil ankola, raju kulkarni etc who were hyped up only to prove they were not international material. even sairaj bahutule was tipped as greater than kumble for sometime but not to be...recently, rohit was imposed on India for 5 years non-stop for "showing" talent in 20s-30s type of knocks...such zone-type selections were the bane of Indian cricket and reached the heightes in 1990s and hence the poor Indian record across two traditional formats.. And till the selections reached the smaller towns got a look-into especially since dhoni became successful - as much as I dislike his existence in the test team since 2011/odi since 2014 (and his pearls of wisdom on seniors in 2007 etc) he should definitely be credited for small-town players getting noticed.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Amol Muzumdar says hi.

 

[Ab Fan]

Iyer is a fine player at no.4. We are not having legends waiting outside to take the middle order.

People love talking about Shaw and Gill but both are still young and they also have to go through the process to cement a place in the team. Talented they are but still raw.

When time will come, Iyer, Pant, Shaw and Gill will hopefully be established team members in the Indian playing XI.

 

[Mariner1981]

When Amol Mazumdar was at his peak that time Karnataka lobby was very strong we had players doda ganesh and johnson representing India.
That era apart from Kumble, Dravid , Prasad n Srinath , Vijay Bharadwaj n Sunil Joshi also got lot of chances.

 

[jnaveen1980]

When Amol Mazumdar was at his peak that time Karnataka lobby was very strong we had players doda ganesh and johnson representing India.
That era apart from Kumble, Dravid , Prasad n Srinath , Vijay Bharadwaj n Sunil Joshi also got lot of chances.

To be fair Karnataka, Delhi are the best teams besides Mumbai in domestic. They somehow managed to produce these tall bowlers for a period. Not all domestic run machines ended up doing well. WV Raman is a case in point. Plundered in domestic failed at the internationals after few success.

 

[Saj]

Only difference is BCCI is based out of Mumbai but PCB isn’t in Karachi.

It's currently Lahore, but over the years Karachi was seen as the powerbase of Pakistan cricket.

 

[sharmaji]

Mumbai and Delhi have powerful lobbies, not surprised at all. It happens everywhere, the top cities always have higher representation than the rest in other countries too, and not just in cricket or sports. I don't support it though.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mumbai and Delhi have powerful lobbies, not surprised at all. It happens everywhere, the top cities always have higher representation than the rest in other countries too, and not just in cricket or sports. I don't support it though.

That is where people move to. But overall Punjab and southern states represent a lot in sports.

 

[JattMaula]

Mumbai has won half the domestic titles. Cricket is spread quite wide in west of India. Maharashtra and Gujarat have 3 elite domestic teams each.

 

[coy0607]

mumbai is akin to Lahore for indian selectors ... load em up!

 

[volcyz]

Shreyas Iyers technique is a absolute joke
Like handscomb

 

[moghul]

For the same reason mediocre and awful players close to Misbah get selected in Pakistan team, Hafeez and Musa to name a few.

 

[Banton10]

Haryana has riduculous high no. of athletes.

 

[sharmaji]

Absolutely agree. He is quite mediocre.

Shreyas Iyers technique is a absolute joke
Like handscomb

 

[sharmaji]

Thanks, I agree with you on state wide distribution (Punjab, Haryana and Southern States leading in sports representation). What do you attribute this to?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Shreyas Iyers technique is a absolute joke
Like handscomb

what? handscomb is a far better player of spin. handscomb only sucks vs pace.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Be patient guys Don't write players off too soon. He was so much dejected after getting dropped willy nilly. He was slogging in the domestic. This Rayudu biriyani guy without even playing domestic walked back in. All the guys who are doing well (KL Rahul, Agarwal, Iyer) are doing well after slogging in domestic.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Iyer can do well if he gets a consistent run in the middle order.

 

[aukhan]

So looking at the thread title we can say Mumbai is India's lahore.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Iyer can do well if he gets a consistent run in the middle order.

Deserves full backing. He is a proper middle order batsman with X-factor.

 

[Raja111]

Iyer is doing well.
It's lord thakur who does nothing but leaking runs at 5g speed and still gets picked in almost every match!!

 

[The lone Ranger]

Iyer is a quality player. He averages 43 at a SR of 100+ in ODIs and his F/C record is mind-boggling.

Indian fans have extraordinarily high expectations from their batsmen. If they are not as good as Kohli and Rohit, they think they are not good enough.

Iyer would be hyped as the next big thing if he was Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lanka.

He doesn’t have the same potential as Gill or Shaw, but he can be a very useful player for a long time.

Now averaging 50