Why do MS Dhoni's teams do so well in shorter formats?

[Sin Nombre]

Never understood the method behind the madness. He is not tactically astute (at least not the way we perceive them historically with smart field placements and such) and has not been someone who leads from the front in terms of individual performances either for a long time.

Explain the process that just seems to work for more than a decade now.

 

[daytrader]

He knows the strengths and weaknesses of his players very well and utilizes them accordingly as the match situation requires. Check out the cricinfo article of managing chaos - gives great insight into his thought process. I think he's the best captain the game has ever had and the main reason for India doing well in LOI.

 

[Send1983]

Never understood the method behind the madness. He is not tactically astute (at least not the way we perceive them historically with smart field placements and such) and has not been someone who leads from the front in terms of individual performances either for a long time.

Explain the process that just seems to work for more than a decade now.

Maybe luck. Destiny. Tactically very average. He doesn’t show emotion which comes naturally to him which is def helping him tight situations. His players always step up which is the real and only good aspect of his captaincy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He never gives an impression that he has given up the game something you see with Kohli very early. His team mates follow the same. He manages to raise the collective intensity of the players. Yes tactically not exactly the best.

 

[Kaptan]

Maybe luck. Destiny. Tactically very average. He doesn’t show emotion which comes naturally to him which is def helping him tight situations. His players always step up which is the real and only good aspect of his captaincy.

"9 playoffs in 9 seasons
7 finals in 9 seasons.
WC finals + CT final + CL final"
This can't be just luck.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is the greatest limited overs captain the game has ever seen.

Under his captaincy, you just look how his team plays, these guys steal away the game from the jaws of defeat.

If there is one international player who had played for South Africa and won them a WC, then it is MS Dhoni, not Virat Kohli nor Tendulkar.

 

[Mr.Q]

Agree with others, he’s one of the greatest captains the game has ever seen. I don’t think he’s a very friendly captain (on the field). None of the great captains were, I think. He’s calm but authoritative. Players are told beforehand what they are supposed to do and they execute it pretty well.

 

[BlackShadow]

There is something about Dhoni's captaincy that leads to a strong sense of team spirit. Imran and Ganguly too had this thing about them, players are willing to give it their all for such captains.

 

[Savage]

Because he ain't Kohli.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Dhoni is possibly the greatest LOI captain of all time.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Never understood the method behind the madness. He is not tactically astute (at least not the way we perceive them historically with smart field placements and such) and has not been someone who leads from the front in terms of individual performances either for a long time.

Explain the process that just seems to work for more than a decade now.

How can you judge that he is not tactically astute?

If his tactics are much better than yours, obviously you would disagree with them!! (Otherwise they would be your tactics too).

In fact, the fact that you disagree with his tactics is a pre-requisite for him to actually be tactically astute.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Only in IPL (not even in Champions League)!

In a nearly 10 year long captaincy career internationally he had three major successes - 2007 T20 WC (Gambhir and Yuvraj were the lynchpins for us), 2011 WC and 2013 CT. Add CB series in 2008 as well there. Thats it. No other major series wins in SA, Aus or England.

All that 'leadership' vanished in thin air during T20 WCs in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 , 2009 CT and 2015 WC or in bi lateral ODI series in SA, Aus and England.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Only in IPL (not even in Champions League)!

In a nearly 10 year long captaincy career internationally he had three major successes - 2007 T20 WC (Gambhir and Yuvraj were the lynchpins for us), 2011 WC and 2013 CT. Add CB series in 2008 as well there. Thats it. No other major series wins in SA, Aus or England.

All that 'leadership' vanished in thin air during T20 WCs in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 , 2009 CT and 2015 WC or in bi lateral ODI series in SA, Aus and England.

We won an ODI series in England under Dhoni in 2014, but I guess that might not have been "major".

 

[cricketindiafan]

We won an ODI series in England under Dhoni in 2014, but I guess that might not have been "major".

What an achievement to beat a team that was captained by Cook and which no one in England cared about!

 

[BreadPakoda]

What an achievement to beat a team that was captained by Cook and which no one in England cared about!

You mentioned it as one of the things Dhoni couldn't do, dude - and you mentioned it twice! I just corrected you. You are one confused soul. Mixing formats, giving wrong facts. Please brush up your knowledge before coming back. Thanks.

 

[cricketindiafan]

You mentioned it as one of the things Dhoni couldn't do, dude - and you mentioned it twice! I just corrected you. You are one confused soul. Mixing formats, giving wrong facts. Please brush up your knowledge before coming back. Thanks.

Aww. Someone's hurt. Better brush up your comprehension skills and look up the meaning of the term 'major series win'. Over and out

 

[Xoib]

Only in IPL (not even in Champions League)!

In a nearly 10 year long captaincy career internationally he had three major successes - 2007 T20 WC (Gambhir and Yuvraj were the lynchpins for us), 2011 WC and 2013 CT. Add CB series in 2008 as well there. Thats it. No other major series wins in SA, Aus or England.

All that 'leadership' vanished in thin air during T20 WCs in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 , 2009 CT and 2015 WC or in bi lateral ODI series in SA, Aus and England.

There are on average 12 teams taking part in a major Cup ofcourse you will not win every time 3 major trophies in 8 years is a big achievement don't compare with Aus they were in a freak era where they were better then others by some margin even the great Imran had only two major trophies in 10 years

 

[TQ89]

Because he is flexible and adjusts extremely well according to the scenario. He is bit of sun tzu in limited overs in that you can never expect what he will do and when he will do it. Knows his team and the other team inside out and utilizes his players like smart general.

You don't get results on luck in any profession. That man has results to speak for him.

This Desi uncle logic of dissing successful people's results can be applied on anybody in any field & frankly it is annoying. You could even find flaws with Zuckerberg, gates, jobs & make them look like zilch in conversations.

I mean I could say that clive lloyd, steve waugh & imran khan were successful because they were lucky to have talented players at their disposal and not because they had good cricketing brains. Would that mean my observation is sound regarding these legendary captains?

 

[Hasan123]

Calm under pressure and always make the correct decisions according to the match situation. One of the greatest LO skippers of all time.

 

[Send1983]

Only in IPL (not even in Champions League)!

In a nearly 10 year long captaincy career internationally he had three major successes - 2007 T20 WC (Gambhir and Yuvraj were the lynchpins for us), 2011 WC and 2013 CT. Add CB series in 2008 as well there. Thats it. No other major series wins in SA, Aus or England.

All that 'leadership' vanished in thin air during T20 WCs in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 , 2009 CT and 2015 WC or in bi lateral ODI series in SA, Aus and England.

Good post. Still this will not convince any of Dhonis cheerleaders.

 

[Peshwa]

Good post. Still this will not convince any of Dhonis cheerleaders.

You want him to win every tournament or what..
He was never great test captain but when it comes to LOI he is GOAT

 

[Send1983]

You want him to win every tournament or what..
He was never great test captain but when it comes to LOI he is GOAT

with the team we have been having, we would have won same or more number of LOI tournaments with even dumb captain like kohli.

Kohli is the dumbest captain you could ever see, but still we have a good chance of winning next years WC because we have a very good talented players in the team.

 

[Ab Fan]

Wasn't 2007 CB series won came in Australia under Dhoni's captaincy only?

It is blasphemy to undermine Dhoni's leadership. You dont have to watch how many matches and series he won but the way he has won them itself signifies how brilliant a captain he was.

 

[Kaptan]

with the team we have been having, we would have won same or more number of LOI tournaments with even dumb captain like kohli.

Kohli is the dumbest captain you could ever see, but still we have a good chance of winning next years WC because we have a very good talented players in the team.

Nah, RCB on paper is the greatest T20 side. Kohli, AB, then they had Gale + sooo many exciting players over the years. But, even then they have not succeeded. Reaching playoffs is an achievement for them.
On the other hand, when you look at CSK you see 35+ oldies, players who have underachieved in their careers (Raydu + Raina), poor bowling lines up (Only Nigidi is good), but still they are in the finals. This has happened soo many times before, even in face to face matches CSK has done better. This show that not everytime team with legendary players win.
Furthermore, I believe Dhoni is still the captain of team India (especially in crunch situations).

 

[Send1983]

Nah, RCB on paper is the greatest T20 side. Kohli, AB, then they had Gale + sooo many exciting players over the years. But, even then they have not succeeded. Reaching playoffs is an achievement for them.
On the other hand, when you look at CSK you see 35+ oldies, players who have underachieved in their careers (Raydu + Raina), poor bowling lines up (Only Nigidi is good), but still they are in the finals. This has happened soo many times before, even in face to face matches CSK has done better. This show that not everytime team with legendary players win.
Furthermore, I believe Dhoni is still the captain of team India (especially in crunch situations).

Lol. No way. RCB has the best 2 batsmen, that’s it. Worst balanced team in the league. They always had poor bowling attack. CSK with kind of form both Raidu and Watson have been this season, Raina being Raina, they have a good balanced team. Yes they have a few grandpas. One grandpa which has been poor in last few yrs, suddenly woke up and played a few good knocks this season.

 

[Send1983]

Nah, RCB on paper is the greatest T20 side. Kohli, AB, then they had Gale + sooo many exciting players over the years. But, even then they have not succeeded. Reaching playoffs is an achievement for them.
On the other hand, when you look at CSK you see 35+ oldies, players who have underachieved in their careers (Raydu + Raina), poor bowling lines up (Only Nigidi is good), but still they are in the finals. This has happened soo many times before, even in face to face matches CSK has done better. This show that not everytime team with legendary players win.
Furthermore, I believe Dhoni is still the captain of team India (especially in crunch situations).

Lol. Keep crediting him e erything we win. Seriously?

 

[Rishta Aunty]

He's very underrated tactically by a lot of people. I still remember how he marshalled resources against us in the World Cup Semifinal in 2011 (which we really should have won). He knows to get the most out of ordinary bowlers, and is an absolute genius at using spin to choke the momentum out of chases.

Jadeja is a great example. Not a bowler I rate hugely, but has the ability to get through his overs so quickly, bowling to a set field that you don't know what hit you. Dhoni will go down as one of the best LOI captains.

Tests, he was below part. Was nowhere close to proactive enough, though a toothless bowling line up abroad probably plays a role in it.

 

[Buffet]

I have not seen a better shorter format captain.

 

[Darkrai]

Because he sold his soul to the devil...Clearly he is a good captain and it doesn't hurt that he had a great team.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Indian LOI side is so good even Kohli led them to the CT final in his first ICC tournament and they are one of the favorites for next WC too. Dhoni was good but he was no Ponting

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian LOI side is so good even Kohli led them to the CT final in his first ICC tournament and they are one of the favorites for next WC too. Dhoni was good but he was no Ponting

We saw Punter as a captain in the IPL as a coach as well. He made so many dumb calls. It is no big deal captaining an all time great Australian side. Can he lead a bunch of inexperienced guys to win like Dhoni did in 2007 world T20? This is 7th time he is leading his side to IPL final. Most of the time his teams were very average.

 

[Send1983]

Indian LOI side is so good even Kohli led them to the CT final in his first ICC tournament and they are one of the favorites for next WC too. Dhoni was good but he was no Ponting

Lol. He is far better than Ponting. Ponting is in the league with Kohli.

 

[leatherface58]

Nerves of steel. Doesn't lose it under pressure. It is amazing some Indians underestimate him so much as an LOI captain. One of the top 3 greatest captains in LOI history taking into account the shoddy bowling attack he had at his disposal for majority of his career.

 

[Balthazar]

He is good only when pitch starts to assist spinners or resembles Indian conditions. I don't think it comes down to man-management skills or anything like that, just look at how he has been in Test Cricket. Someone posted the list of Worldcups that he failed in, that's a lot of opportunities he got. He had a strongest Indian team ever in shorter format, and yet the team has underachieved in more than 75% of the total tournaments.

 

[Kaptan]

Lol. No way. RCB has the best 2 batsmen, that’s it. Worst balanced team in the league. They always had poor bowling attack. CSK with kind of form both Raidu and Watson have been this season, Raina being Raina, they have a good balanced team. Yes they have a few grandpas. One grandpa which has been poor in last few yrs, suddenly woke up and played a few good knocks this season.

Kohli
AB
A freaking Gale (universal boss)
Watson
Travis
+ Many young Indians
I am not even counting McCullum, Quinton + other guys.
What have they achieved so far ? 1 final ? Yes they had a very average bowling unit, but CSK's bowling is also quite average.
On paper RCB would beat CSK 7 out of 10 times.

 

[Kaptan]

Lol. Keep crediting him e erything we win. Seriously?

Maybe you are not aware. Dhoni was captaining India against England (the match where 12-13 runs were required in the last over against Bhumra), He was also captaining against Australia. Even Kohli has admitted that Dhoni is still his captain. In another interview Chahal basically said that Dhoni captains team India because Kohli is far away (near the ropes) most of the time while fielding .

 

[Adijazz1706]

We saw Punter as a captain in the IPL as a coach as well. He made so many dumb calls. It is no big deal captaining an all time great Australian side. Can he lead a bunch of inexperienced guys to win like Dhoni did in 2007 world T20? This is 7th time he is leading his side to IPL final. Most of the time his teams were very average.

You brought in IPL If only they opened the sealed envelope and made it's contents public

 

[Sidilicious]

Indian LOI side is so good even Kohli led them to the CT final in his first ICC tournament and they are one of the favorites for next WC too. Dhoni was good but he was no Ponting

So, you are saying that the team Ponting led to 2 WC wins, was not as good as Dhoni's team?