Why do Pakistanis blame their problems on external forces and not accept their own shortcomings?

[Moiza]

If you take a poll for the reason why Pakistan is like it is today you will get answers like this

• India spreading terrorism
• Israel and USA trying to destroy the muslim race
• Corrupt politicians looting the country
• Afghanis destabilizing Pakistan

The list goes on and on

Although the points mentioned above are debatable but they are far from what is actually the problem

If anyone has ever visited a govt institution to get something done then he would know how corrupt a normal Pakistani citizen is and all the while he blames Nawazu. Even in small things like buying vegetables the guy selling would try his best to cheat you. This is a moral shortcoming in Pakistanis which sadly all of us are conveniently overlooking. If anyone thinks the placing the purest soul on earth as the head of state would solve our problems then we are surely mistaken.

Looking at that other problem the we very conveniently blame on India/USA/Israel is the terrorism that plagues our society. While its very easy to put the blame on these foreign countries while sitting abroad but if anyone has listened to the sermons of friday prayers then you'd know that problem is not any of the foreign countries but Pakistanis themselves. There is unbelieveable extremism in a normal citizen now a days, a very recent example was the Qadri incident where the molvi of my local mosque hailed him as a hero and said things which Im not going to repeat. This happened in a mosque in Islamabad and now you can imagine what happens in a far off town.

A few days back there was a video of a women's football club in karachi who did the manequine challenge and the girls in the video were wearing shorts. Unsurprisingly enough our moral police was there in the comment section labeling the girls as sluts who have let their country and religion down and in that very section they were tagging their other male friends.

Its very easy to project your version of Islam onto everyone you see but Islam also teaches the males to lower their gaze which unsurprisingly no one obeys but the moment they see ankles they flip and start shouting in the name of religion. The Islamic republic of Pakistan is in such a state that a female feels uncomfortable walking in public in broad daylight because the male population shamelessly gazes at her. They forget Islam at such times, they forget Islam when they break a law or when they take a bribe but they never forget Islam when it comes to dressing of other people.

I wanted to explain my thoughts in a better way, however, the main point of what I wrote is that Pakistan is failing as society which has nothing to do with countries like India/USA etc but it is the fault of everyone of us and we all are completely ignoring it since the truth always hurts and blaming India/USA only takes a few words which is certainly much easier than fixing ourselves and the problems within the society

 

[kingusama92]

It's common in most nations.

USA: Mexicans, Muslim-Dominant Nations, Russia
India: Pakistan, China
Afghanistan: Pakistan

It's the easiest way to explain the issues in your country and is a human trait.

But, yes Pakistan seems to have perfected the art.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistanis do blame their own people. Have you not heard of the great criticism the likes of Zardari and Nawaz are facing?. It's a different matter getting rid of such corrupt politicians, permanently.

 

[Pakistanian]

Uh....This a generalization and truth be told you may only feel that way cause you lived your whole life in Pakistan but trust me this is universal, it's part of human nature to shift the blame to "the other". Here in the states people blames middle easterners, hispanics, blacks, feminists and liberals, it's part of human nature and you can find this in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in the world! I can't think of any one nation that doesn't blame another group for it's problem, the Japanese, Indians, Afghans, Saudis, Colombians etc everybody does it.

Heck you can notice this group behavior within political parties, movements and even within families. People like to blame the other, that's how it is. I've studied a bit of sociology so I know human nature pretty well.

 

[HussainRx8]

Pakistanis do because that's what they hear from their leaders. Most citizens aren't educated enough to discern fact from fiction. The reason is very simple: They want to deflect from their failures.

 

[saeedhk]

If you take a poll for the reason why Pakistan is like it is today you will get answers like this

• India spreading terrorism
• Israel and USA trying to destroy the muslim race
• Corrupt politicians looting the country
• Afghanis destabilizing Pakistan

The list goes on and on

Although the points mentioned above are debatable but they are far from what is actually the problem

If anyone has ever visited a govt institution to get something done then he would know how corrupt a normal Pakistani citizen is and all the while he blames Nawazu. Even in small things like buying vegetables the guy selling would try his best to cheat you. This is a moral shortcoming in Pakistanis which sadly all of us are conveniently overlooking. If anyone thinks the placing the purest soul on earth as the head of state would solve our problems then we are surely mistaken.

Looking at that other problem the we very conveniently blame on India/USA/Israel is the terrorism that plagues our society. While its very easy to put the blame on these foreign countries while sitting abroad but if anyone has listened to the sermons of friday prayers then you'd know that problem is not any of the foreign countries but Pakistanis themselves. There is unbelieveable extremism in a normal citizen now a days, a very recent example was the Qadri incident where the molvi of my local mosque hailed him as a hero and said things which Im not going to repeat. This happened in a mosque in Islamabad and now you can imagine what happens in a far off town.

A few days back there was a video of a women's football club in karachi who did the manequine challenge and the girls in the video were wearing shorts. Unsurprisingly enough our moral police was there in the comment section labeling the girls as sluts who have let their country and religion down and in that very section they were tagging their other male friends.

Its very easy to project your version of Islam onto everyone you see but Islam also teaches the males to lower their gaze which unsurprisingly no one obeys but the moment they see ankles they flip and start shouting in the name of religion. The Islamic republic of Pakistan is in such a state that a female feels uncomfortable walking in public in broad daylight because the male population shamelessly gazes at her. They forget Islam at such times, they forget Islam when they break a law or when they take a bribe but they never forget Islam when it comes to dressing of other people.

I wanted to explain my thoughts in a better way, however, the main point of what I wrote is that Pakistan is failing as society which has nothing to do with countries like India/USA etc but it is the fault of everyone of us and we all are completely ignoring it since the truth always hurts and blaming India/USA only takes a few words which is certainly much easier than fixing ourselves and the problems within the society

If I remember correctly, I have made a thread in this topic a couple of years ago and had discussed this mentality in detail. Pakistan is a nation of conspiracy theories. If we do not even accept our shortcomings, how are we going to rectify them? Pakistanis think the whole world is out to get us.

 

[Saeed]

I don't really care who they blame for problems. Blame it on Antartica as long as they are doing something to deal with problems Pakistan is facing. The real issue is they blame everyone but do nothing. Just look at Turkey. They balmed ISIS and PKK for terrorist attacks in Turkey and now they are in Syria bombing ISIS and PKK, taking territory from them. They put their money where their mouth is. On the other hand ISIS/LeJ claimed responsibility for Quetta Training college but we haven't heard much about it since then.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Either your faith or law of the land stops you from wrongdoings.

If your faith is adulterated & you are mislead by corrupt spiritual leaders who do not stand any moral grounds and are not role models of their faith than forget about the faith part resulting in you being morally ethically sound.


As far as law of land is concerned when the vegetable vendor will know that if he weighs less or if he sells substandard vegetables/fruits he will be charged heavily by government officials and he cannot get away from it than he will fear law of the land.


Aren't the Pathan's the Hindko's working in Land Records department and Police department in Kpk same Pakistanis ? Did they change their God in last 3 years ? What happened ?

The will of the government changed them. When they knew that now the system won't allow them to do corruption and they will be behind the jail bars than the fear of law transformed the same Pakistanis.

Many Patwaris were jailed and terminated from Jobs. Thousands of Patwaris hit the roads demanding for increase in Pay. Why ? Because they had official pay of 30-40 thousand but every month they would take home between 2-5 lac rupees doing corruption and they were used to a lavish lifestyle which they no longer can afford.


Ok now abuse the Corrupt, Immature, Power hungry, Egoistic, arrogant Imran Khan for this

 

[Buffet]

Deflecting blame is done everywhere and not unique to Pakistan. Pakistan has a relatively weaker system of checks and balances. That's why deflecting blame may work more often, just my guess here. In stronger system, it's harder to get away all the time by deflecting the blame.

 

[Indiafan]

Either your faith or law of the land stops you from wrongdoings.

If your faith is adulterated & you are mislead by corrupt spiritual leaders who do not stand any moral grounds and are not role models of their faith than forget about the faith part resulting in you being morally ethically sound.


As far as law of land is concerned when the vegetable vendor will know that if he weighs less or if he sells substandard vegetables/fruits he will be charged heavily by government officials and he cannot get away from it than he will fear law of the land.

I think you are making things really simplistic. There are two facets to this thing. A strong law is only one of them. I am pretty sure in some Western countries, even if the law is not strong, people are not going to cheat. not even if they are atheists.

In our part of the world, two things lead to corruption. One is lack of resources. Over-population and poverty can lead anyone to crime. When an honest man sees that people who are cheating are earning way more, he is also liable to join. After all, why should he not have a bigger house, his kids get a better life? The other is that when they see other people being corrupt, they wll always use the excuse - they are looting crores, if I cheat for few 100s whats the problem?

We always make excuses. If a politician can loot crores, me supporting my nephew is not a big deal.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think you are making things really simplistic. There are two facets to this thing. A strong law is only one of them. I am pretty sure in some Western countries, even if the law is not strong, people are not going to cheat. not even if they are atheists.

In that case why do we have very strong and comprehensive law systems in western countries? Right down to copyrighting artistic output and ideas never mind enforcing even the smallest civil codes and planning restrictions.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I think you are making things really simplistic. There are two facets to this thing. A strong law is only one of them. I am pretty sure in some Western countries, even if the law is not strong, people are not going to cheat. not even if they are atheists.

Here is a clear example of a misinformed desi holding white people on a pedestal.

You clearly haven't heard of the looting that goes on during natural disasters, rioting after sport events, the massive gun crime in the U.S.

If are only talking about corruption, then American corporations have potential of being very corrupt despite the strong laws. There have been cases where these corporations knowingly ignored their factories/plants poisoning whole towns. In the end they just had to pay settlements and got away from any large scale prosecution.

Fact is, there are good people and bad people everywhere. Strong laws control the bad people.

The law is not strong in South Asia but there are still many good people who don't do anything wrong.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I think you are making things really simplistic. There are two facets to this thing. A strong law is only one of them. I am pretty sure in some Western countries, even if the law is not strong, people are not going to cheat. not even if they are atheists.

In our part of the world, two things lead to corruption. One is lack of resources. Over-population and poverty can lead anyone to crime. When an honest man sees that people who are cheating are earning way more, he is also liable to join. After all, why should he not have a bigger house, his kids get a better life? The other is that when they see other people being corrupt, they wll always use the excuse - they are looting crores, if I cheat for few 100s whats the problem?

We always make excuses. If a politician can loot crores, me supporting my nephew is not a big deal.

An agnostic or atheist can be a good law abiding citizen provided there is an implementation of Law for all social classes.

UK riots 2011 is an example. The same law abiding citizens thought they would get away from Law and there were massive lootings.

But than again Law took its course.


This mindset you have eluded too is a fact but how will it change ? By shear implementation of Law.


The majority of the same Asians or Desi people change/transform when they live in civilised countries. I say majority because 100 % perfection can only be theoretical.


Yes humans are humans they would definitely make comparisons. When your leaders loot crores than it does give excuses to people to do corruption. But if the systems are strong and they know that they won't get away with it than they will refrain from corrupt practices.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Desi people don't like to use their maghaz/dimaag, IQ of desi's have further deteriorated with invention of meme's on social media. My gym trainer forwarded me a image saying tomatoes are rich source of protein and people believe him because he is huge, of-course with steroids. If you have knowledge or you even try to correct them, you'll feel like an outcast. That's why desis or even Americans to an extent do not enjoy movies with intelligent dialogue, they prefer mindless action movies. Brainwashing has never been easier on such a mass scale in whole history.