Pakistanis and their issues with India's financial stake in cricket

[Bhaijaan]

Slim and Emran bhai throwing muqqe at me for talking about reunification.





I leave this thread defeated standing up for Aman ki Asha




Goodbye guys.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Let's be honest, Pakistan would be doing the same thing to India if the roles were reversed. Nothing stopped Pakistan from doing the right things or taking the right steps to uplift their economy and standard of living. It is an alarming fact that Bangladesh was behind and on par with Pakistan in 2008 and now they have a larger economy. Heck a war ravaged Afghanistan is doing better economically vs Pakistan.

That’s a much larger discussion. I think there is a significant lack of skilled labor in Pakistan compared to India and Bangladesh. There are fewer protections for farmers and not as many institutions of higher education.

True Pakistan was at one time ahead of both India and Bangladesh economically but that was a residual effect of a large skilled Muslim population that migrated to Pakistan following the partition. Though I still feel there is more to the equation.

But to your point, I don’t think Pakistan gloated as much as India does. There was a whole bit about Pathan machismo and how eating meat made Pakistanis more masculine and powerful… but it was still not as in your face as literally extorting the ICC for a third of its revenue.

 

[topspin]

No! What I'm saying is that the root cause of everything is mass Indian migration, and people can clearly distinguish Indian behavior.

I know you may not want to accept it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it's true.

Speaking of which:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm21q7myjyeo

 

[Slim]

Slim and Emran bhai throwing muqqe at me for talking about reunification.

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I leave this thread defeated standing up for Aman ki Asha

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Goodbye guys.

Sorry bhaijan, i feel bad for saying a lot of stuff considering knowning there are many good indians out there who i respect and admire. But there are too many of you out there who are very hateful and insecure. Its an odd situation.

 

[RexRex]

I've long felt that India should use cricket boycotts & other social boycotts as leverage against a cricket-crazy country like Pakistan for causing a lot of problems at the Kashmir border. Soft power like this can cause a lot of pain.

Tis much better than having boots on the ground, soldiers losing their lives & fighter jets intruding in each other's territories.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't think Pakistani owners would have behaved the same way. This is hypothetical of course and just my opinion. We can't base it on anything.

As far as why Pakistani tycoons don't invest then I don't think there is anyone with the capacity to throw this much money away as most of these leagues have a long payback period and they are banking on a. Creating a market that doesn't exist in countries like England or b. Tapping into the Indian market.

I don't think either of the scenarios are going to take place so only an investor with deep pockets can take the risk. My own prediction is that once investors realise that these leagues won't be next IPL then the money will dry up and we don't have the investors who can keep pouring money in the hope that they payback eventually

In fact ( you may disagree) but I believe that the only possible expansion for IPL franchises that can be profitable and will also attract an Indian plus a local audience is in Pakistan. I know for sure ( and by sure I really do mean for sure) that if given the opportunity it's a place where Indians would invest in cricket after India. 270 million maniacs and an ok middle class where the majority stumbling block isn't money but the fact that the local don't have entrepreneurship skills to create and reap the market. Indians stepping in could reap big rewards.

If ties were to ever normalise you would see it happen instantly.

For the first point i will disagree. Not because i believe every pakistani is out to get India, but because pakistan isn't a democracy and the powers that be hate India.

I believe a consortium of pakistani businessmen and expat pakistanis would have enough financial strength to buy franchisees. Its more like they don't have the patience for a long RoI.

Problem with the scenario you present is that the situation is always very fluid. If you're a Ambani or any other Indian billionaires, you wouldn't want to be at the mercy of a Mohsin Naqvi or Ijaz butt or a Nawaz or Zardari's whims.

Take out the politics and your post makes sense.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I have absolutely no problem with India’s financial stake in cricket not even a little. My only issue is India mixing sports with politics.

I’m 100% sure that 90% of India’s population wants to see Pakistani players in the IPL. The tournament lacks that extra thrill without them. Just imagine if the IPL is currently earning 100Rs with Pakistani players it could easily be making 200Rs.

This is the hidden fact that Modi doesn’t want his people to understand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have absolutely no problem with India’s financial stake in cricket not even a little. My only issue is India mixing sports with politics.

I’m 100% sure that 90% of India’s population wants to see Pakistani players in the IPL. The tournament lacks that extra thrill without them. Just imagine if the IPL is currently earning 100Rs with Pakistani players it could easily be making 200Rs.

This is the hidden fact that Modi doesn’t want his people to understand.

You would be right if this was the 90s. Lots of things have changed.

26/11 has changed the very basic views of Indians towards pakistanis.

Then some comments by pakistani Cricketers like Afridi, Sohail Tanveer, and many others have muddied the waters further.

Lastly if this was 90s Pakistan had superstars, not anymore. The last pakistani showman was Akhtar.

It will take a lot of time for this to settle down.

How will IPL, thats making 100 now make 200 from participation of pakistanis when PSL itself makes 10rs.

Pakistan neither has global superstars who will attract views from around the world nor pakistan has big cricketing economy.

Modi's pakistan policy is popular because the people find it to be in sync with their thinking.

 

[FearlessRoar]

You would be right if this was the 90s. Lots of things have changed.

26/11 has changed the very basic views of Indians towards pakistanis.

Then some comments by pakistani Cricketers like Afridi, Sohail Tanveer, and many others have muddied the waters further.

Lastly if this was 90s Pakistan had superstars, not anymore. The last pakistani showman was Akhtar.

It will take a lot of time for this to settle down.

How will IPL, thats making 100 now make 200 from participation of pakistanis when PSL itself makes 10rs.

Pakistan neither has global superstars who will attract views from around the world nor pakistan has big cricketing economy.

Modi's pakistan policy is popular because the people find it to be in sync with their thinking.

Oh no mery bhai what are you saying???I think you need to watch the Pakistan v New Zealand match in Bengaluru from CWC 2023. There is still a spark and thrill for Pakistani players among Indian fans.

Just imagine Babar and Virat opening together for RCB don’t you think fans would go crazy to watch that match? And the same goes for Fakhar Zaman opening with Rohit Sharma for MI don’t you think the viewership would double?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh no mery bhai what are you saying???I think you need to watch the Pakistan v New Zealand match in Bengaluru from CWC 2023. There is still a spark and thrill for Pakistani players among Indian fans.

Just imagine Babar and Virat opening together for RCB don’t you think fans would go crazy to watch that match? And the same goes for Fakhar Zaman opening with Rohit Sharma for MI don’t you think the viewership would double?

Its a world cup. Most major team matches were housefull.

Sir you are mistaken.

People would be crazy if Wasim Akram or Shoaib Akhtar were bowling with Bumrah or Anwar was batting with Virat.

Not Babar or Zaman. These guys have little to no following.

As i said, the last pakistani showman was Akhtar.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

For the first point i will disagree. Not because i believe every pakistani is out to get India, but because pakistan isn't a democracy and the powers that be hate India.

I believe a consortium of pakistani businessmen and expat pakistanis would have enough financial strength to buy franchisees. Its more like they don't have the patience for a long RoI.

Problem with the scenario you present is that the situation is always very fluid. If you're a Ambani or any other Indian billionaires, you wouldn't want to be at the mercy of a Mohsin Naqvi or Ijaz butt or a Nawaz or Zardari's whims.

Take out the politics and your post makes sense.

Pakistan doesn't have investors who are able to understand delayed ROI. There is no vision or entrepreneurial spirit. Most of the industries are legacy industries that haven't modernised like textiles or sugar and most people's idea of business is property.

You can see from the way PSL is not moving that they don't have the nous to execute these things. If they can't do it at home they have no way of achieving it abroad although I do believe there was some investors in Lanka Premier League at one point.

Politicians behave this way because there is no independent private sector holding them to account. Perhaps external capital can bring them into line. However main obstacle will be accepting that India is masters of cricket and we have to play second fiddle.

I genuinely do believe that in 8-10 years there will be more cooperation on cricket. Indian home market will inevitably saturated and I don't see enough traction in this abroad leagues where cricket is the 4th or 5th sport. Indian investors will have to enter Asian countries where they aren't solely dependent on Indian market.

 

[captain.hansolo]

I've long felt that India should use cricket boycotts & other social boycotts as leverage against a cricket-crazy country like Pakistan for causing a lot of problems at the Kashmir border. Soft power like this can cause a lot of pain.

Tis much better than having boots on the ground, soldiers losing their lives & fighter jets intruding in each other's territories.

I think our problems in Kashmir are not entirely the product of meddling by a busybody neighbor. When you shoot demonstrators with shot guns, don’t expect people to take that without response. If a cop tomorrow here in the streets of manhattan shot my son in the face with a shot gun or if some pellets lodged them in his eye, all of which happened, I assure you I would be the next person flying a plane into a skyscraper.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic

 

[RexRex]

I think our problems in Kashmir are not entirely the product of meddling by a busybody neighbor. When you shoot demonstrators with shot guns, don’t expect people to take that without response. If a cop tomorrow here in the streets of manhattan shot my son in the face with a shot gun or if some pellets lodged them in his eye, all of which happened, I assure you I would be the next person flying a plane into a skyscraper.

Why would a cop simply grab a gun and start shooting peaceful demonstrators ?

 

[Rajdeep]

Champions Trophy winner prize money - 20.5 crores

Virat Kohli IPL 2025 Salary - 21 Crores

Rishab Pant IPL 2025 Salary - 27 Crores

@Slim

 

[sweep_shot]

Champions Trophy winner prize money - 20.5 crores

Virat Kohli IPL 2025 Salary - 21 Crores

Rishab Pant IPL 2025 Salary - 27 Crores

@Slim

What are you trying to prove here? I don't understand.

A sex worker can earn hundreds of Dollars in a day while a dignifying government employee may earn much less. It doesn't mean the sex worker's job is better than the government employee's job.

An ICC event is far more prestigious/classy than a T20 league can ever be (even if money is less).

 

[Rajdeep]

What are you trying to prove here? I don't understand.

A sex worker can earn hundreds of Dollars in a day while a dignifying government employee may earn much less. It doesn't mean the sex worker's job is better than the government employee's job.

An ICC event is far more prestigious/classy than a T20 league can ever be (even if money is less).

The financial power of Indian cricket.

 

[Slim]

Champions Trophy winner prize money - 20.5 crores

Virat Kohli IPL 2025 Salary - 21 Crores

Rishab Pant IPL 2025 Salary - 27 Crores

@Slim

How much of this are Rishab and Virat giving to you? Or its another case of indian twerking for a select elite while he has to smash windows and break trains in his struggle to go to Mahakhumb?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I've long felt that India should use cricket boycotts & other social boycotts as leverage against a cricket-crazy country like Pakistan for causing a lot of problems at the Kashmir border. Soft power like this can cause a lot of pain.

Tis much better than having boots on the ground, soldiers losing their lives & fighter jets intruding in each other's territories.

Hasn't worked well. Pakistan still occupies Kashmir and Indian occupation soldiers are still being killed regularly.

Send in your army , boycotting some cricket and sending over dossiers is weak , if you want Kashmir

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Champions Trophy winner prize money - 20.5 crores

Virat Kohli IPL 2025 Salary - 21 Crores

Rishab Pant IPL 2025 Salary - 27 Crores

@Slim

Paindu logic by our bihari brother.

Can you spot the difference between the two pictures posted below? The common thing is Mr. 21 Crores. Notice how sad he looks after losing the final and how happy he is after winning it. What were the prizes for each?

 

[Rajdeep]

Paindu logic by our bihari brother.

Can you spot the difference between the two pictures posted below? The common thing is Mr. 21 Crores. Notice how sad he looks after losing the final and how happy he is after winning it. What were the prizes for each?

First of all you call my logic as Paindu and then you come with such a silly post.

Everyone agrees that playing for nation has higher pride but this thread is about financial power of India. So I was just giving economics of it and not necessarily highlighting the magnitude of the events

This just proved that Bihari Paindu logic is better than Jihadi Paindu logic

Dara Hua bro

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First of all you call my logic as Paindu and then you come with such a silly post.

Everyone agrees that playing for nation has higher pride but this thread is about financial power of India. So I was just giving economics of it and not necessarily highlighting the magnitude of the events

This just proved that Bihari Paindu logic is better than Jihadi Paindu logic

Dara Hua bro

The real Dara Hua Bihari fled from India, while the brave Biharis are busy shattering train windows.

 

[Rajdeep]

The real Dara Hua Bihari fled from India, while the brave Biharis are busy shattering train windows.

Kagaz Dikhake Dil thok ke gaya hu dost.

Btw, I am coming to Delhi next month. Want to meet?

 

[Slim]

Kagaz Dikhake Dil thok ke gaya hu dost.

Btw, I am coming to Delhi next month. Want to meet?

If you do meet BVB, he might do biryani jihad on you with a side of love jihad and charm jihad. you guys could also do cricket jihad together.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I've long felt that India should use cricket boycotts & other social boycotts as leverage against a cricket-crazy country like Pakistan for causing a lot of problems at the Kashmir border. Soft power like this can cause a lot of pain.

Tis much better than having boots on the ground, soldiers losing their lives & fighter jets intruding in each other's territories.

All that does is erode interest in cricket in Pakistan and encourage people to follow other sports. We've already seen the wane of cricket mania in the West Indies as they start to follow basketball and football instead due to the real soft power which culture brings through a tv screen. India are going in the other direction and losing what soft power they had by taking the eternal enemies route. They are playing right into the hands of the mullahs who would probably prefer the youth of Pakistan to put down the cricket bat and pick up a gun.

 

[IMMY69]

Champions Trophy winner prize money - 20.5 crores

Virat Kohli IPL 2025 Salary - 21 Crores

Rishab Pant IPL 2025 Salary - 27 Crores

@Slim

This doesn't tell me about the the financial power of "Indian Cricket". It tells me that the paying public must have a real gap in their lives to be throwing their money on a game that barely reflects the beautiful game.