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Modern colleges/universities offer many different majors. Some of the majors include Liberal Arts, Sociology, Literature etc.

My question is, why are these majors offered? Why do people choose these majors? These programs generally don't result in any employment and cause unnecessary debts.
 
I disagree. With so much automatization, such subjects will only become more relevant in the future.

Our world is changing very quickly and ideologies such as liberalism, conservatism and socialism are quickly becoming irrelevant. Newer ideologies are required to cope with the consequences that automatization and the digital revolution will bring.
 
Modern colleges/universities offer many different majors. Some of the majors include Liberal Arts, Sociology, Literature etc.

My question is, why are these majors offered? Why do people choose these majors? These programs generally don't result in any employment and cause unnecessary debts.

Also, I think a lot of desi people want their children to pursue medical/engineering/law simply because you get a good salary. Some people pursue things they are genuinely interested about.
 
Because people are interested in the degree
It's not always about the money
 
Well they will return the loan , plus its interest free govn loan just like you prefer.. so whats the issue?

Also sociology majors from Canada work in other fields which are suited to their field as well.
And Literature is not a good field?

If you have issue with such loans come to States, absolute capitalist society you get what you pay for esp Republican states like Texas.
 
Well they will return the loan , plus its interest free govn loan just like you prefer.. so whats the issue?

Also sociology majors from Canada work in other fields which are suited to their field as well.
And Literature is not a good field?

If you have issue with such loans come to States, absolute capitalist society you get what you pay for esp Republican states like Texas.

Not all of them return loans. Some of them can't pay back. Some declare bankruptcies.

If they fund their own degrees, no problem. Just don't bother taxpayers.
 
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I checked the curriculum of one of the liberal arts programs at a local university. I was laughing my butt off. I can't believe people actually waste money to learn these.

You can learn "liberal arts" from Google and from modern world. It is like trying to learn 2+2=4.
 
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I checked the curriculum of one of the liberal arts programs at a local university. I was laughing my butt off. I can't believe people actually waste money to learn these.

You can learn "liberal arts" from Google and from modern world. It is like trying to learn 2+2=4.

You can learn coding from google too why do they offer computer science courses?

It’s somewhat offensive to see you mock Canadian liberal studies which is a reason why Canada is welcoming is because there are many people that think just money and industrialization are not everything, society has to move forward as well.
 
You can learn coding from google too why do they offer computer science courses?

It’s somewhat offensive to see you mock Canadian liberal studies which is a reason why Canada is welcoming is because there are many people that think just money and industrialization are not everything, society has to move forward as well.

Liberal Studies is not just exclusive to Canada. This disease is present in other countries too. I have a relative who is a sociology major and I find her really creepy. I also find my coworker (sociology major) really feminine and odd.

Coding can be learned from Google but you still need the degree to get a job. There are many development job opportunities. Same can't be said about "liberal arts".
 
Liberal Studies is not just exclusive to Canada. This disease is present in other countries too. I have a relative who is a sociology major and I find her really creepy. I also find my coworker (sociology major) really feminine and odd.

Coding can be learned from Google but you still need the degree to get a job. There are many development job opportunities. Same can't be said about "liberal arts".

Canada is one of the most liberal countries there, and you seem to think its a disease.

Also women are not looking for your validation , unless they specified otherwise.

Not sure why I keep having this conversation with you when I already know what you think, carry on.
 
Modern colleges/universities offer many different majors. Some of the majors include Liberal Arts, Sociology, Literature etc.

My question is, why are these majors offered? Why do people choose these majors? These programs generally don't result in any employment and cause unnecessary debts.

May I ask you which degree do you have, if you have any? And what do you do for a living?
 
May I ask you which degree do you have, if you have any? And what do you do for a living?

I initially wanted to be an accountant and hence got my Bachelor's in business (BComm). I then changed my plan and went into computer programming. I finished a diploma in programming and got myself a developer job at one of the banks.

So, my academic background is in both business and programming.

Not sure why that is relevant to the thread but here it is.
 
I initially wanted to be an accountant and hence got my Bachelor's in business (BComm). I then changed my plan and went into computer programming. I finished a diploma in programming and got myself a developer job at one of the banks.

So, my academic background is in both business and programming.

Not sure why that is relevant to the thread but here it is.

With a boring techie job in a market where the ones like you are a dime a dozen you really aren't in a place to call other's degrees useless and a disease.
 
With a boring techie job in a market where the ones like you are a dime a dozen you really aren't in a place to call other's degrees useless and a disease.

There are only a few useful degrees/paths - medical field, engineering, IT, and business. Rest are generally useless degrees. It is a fact.

I see no difference between a person with no degree and a person with a liberal arts degree (along with high student loan).
 
Some people have a lot of money (mostly parents') to spend.

You will be surprised to know how many people come from Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, etc. to the US to study something like Hospitality Management, Fine art, etc. It is just a way to enjoy few years in the US.
 
There are only a few useful degrees/paths - medical field, engineering, IT, and business. Rest are generally useless degrees. It is a fact.

I see no difference between a person with no degree and a person with a liberal arts degree (along with high student loan).

Not necessarily true because going to university is also about:
- grooming your mental abilities,
- to learn to live and study independently,
- to be able to think critically
- to experience the world and
- get to know the repositories of knowledge waiting to be explored.

In many cases (not all), After the initial years the subject you had studied becomes increasingly irrelevant over time and its mostly about on Job learning. In countries like US, there are many people working in fields like IT without any degree at all (let alone a degree in a social science subject).
 
Not necessarily true because going to university is also about:
- grooming your mental abilities,
- to learn to live and study independently,
- to be able to think critically
- to experience the world and
- get to know the repositories of knowledge waiting to be explored.

With all due respect, I highly disagree with this part of your post. Nobody needs to go to university to get these skills. I can get these skills just by being a YouTube vlogger. I can travel the world, make YouTube videos, and get those same skills.

In many cases (not all), After the initial years the subject you had studied becomes increasingly irrelevant over time and its mostly about on Job learning. In countries like US, there are many people working in fields like IT without any degree at all (let alone a degree in a social science subject).

You can get an IT job sometimes without a degree (if you are good enough). But, most companies would prefer you have some type of qualification. That's the way it is in Canada.

Social science and other liberal studies are extremely vague and subjective. I also think that majors like philosophy should be banned worldwide because these majors mess up thought processes of people.
 
It is definitely harder to get employed if you don't have a STEM degree and some approaches to the study of arts subjects are quite useless(post-modernism) but has it maybe occurred to you that maybe some people want to pursue ,say, a degree in history purely out of interest?
 
I don't know about other countries, but while applying for CGE jobs in India, especially in group B sector (high paying ones), many departments require one of these degrees (atleast as a pass course).
 
Because unlike subcontinent people many people like to pursue fields that they are passionate about.

And who says you cant get a job with those degrees. Besides from becoming a a professor/teacher, many people who get undergrad degrees in liberal arts can go on to law school, med school.

And alot of companies hire liberal arts majors, as long as you go to a good school, for other fields.

This is from the Goldman Sachs website:

Does Goldman Sachs hire liberal arts majors?
Erika: Absolutely! We hire liberal arts majors as interns and full-time employees in every division. A lot of what liberal arts majors learn—writing skills, communication skills, project management, research—is applicable across all of our divisions. We also believe someone’s career path is determined by their interests. What are you drawn to? What makes you excited?

https://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/blog/posts/ask-the-recruiter-liberal-arts-edition.html
 
Because unlike subcontinent people many people like to pursue fields that they are passionate about.

And who says you cant get a job with those degrees. Besides from becoming a a professor/teacher, many people who get undergrad degrees in liberal arts can go on to law school, med school.

And alot of companies hire liberal arts majors, as long as you go to a good school, for other fields.

This is from the Goldman Sachs website:

Does Goldman Sachs hire liberal arts majors?
Erika: Absolutely! We hire liberal arts majors as interns and full-time employees in every division. A lot of what liberal arts majors learn—writing skills, communication skills, project management, research—is applicable across all of our divisions. We also believe someone’s career path is determined by their interests. What are you drawn to? What makes you excited?

https://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/blog/posts/ask-the-recruiter-liberal-arts-edition.html

Do you think every liberal art student gets a job at Goldman? I bet vast majority don't end up with relevant jobs. There are actually lots of memes about liberal art graduates on the internet.

It is a great degree for women but it boggles my mind why a man would want to study it.
 
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Poor careers advice (one part of schools that is badly in need of an overhaul) and a lack of life experience.

People start these degrees when they are 18 years old, and we are all very young and naive at that age. Yes these are interesting and thought-provoking subjects which make for some memorable chats over a drink with friends, but little do we know at the time that prospective employers are not exactly screaming out for arts graduates.

By the time these students realise that they are grafting hard for what will ultimately be a close-to-useless qualification, it’s too late and they are well into their third year, so at that point they might as well finish off their dissertation and get their honours.

Many then never pick up a book again, and end up in a job that they could have got 3 years earlier without the degree. As an artsy fartsy type, I’ve been there!

In the end I emerged from my mountain of unrepayable debt to find a field of work which suited me - I’ve since worked my socks off, progressed upwards in the firm and actually done okay - but I am one of the lucky ones I think.
 
Nowadays, I am noticing that people with these useless degrees are getting business jobs at top companies.

They are not as useless as you think they are.

STEM degrees are supposedly the goldmine, yet the majority of STEM graduates I know go on to be researchers in universities.

Ironically, many engineering graduates are struggling to get jobs in companies.
 
With all due respect, I highly disagree with this part of your post. Nobody needs to go to university to get these skills. I can get these skills just by being a YouTube vlogger. I can travel the world, make YouTube videos, and get those same skills.

You can get an IT job sometimes without a degree (if you are good enough). But, most companies would prefer you have some type of qualification. That's the way it is in Canada.

Social science and other liberal studies are extremely vague and subjective. I also think that majors like philosophy should be banned worldwide because these majors mess up thought processes of people.


No, not really. You cant substitute the guided learning, intellectual stimulus, peer network and social environment of a University with a DIY Youtube approach.
 
cos no one, or most people imo, dont have any idea what they want to do with their lives at 18. its an easier option than a technically skilled degree.
 
Some of the Pakistani ministers like Fawad Chaudhry and Fayaz ul Hasan Chauhan are examples of what lack of education can do to you. Incase of Fawad Chaudhry he is proud that despite being Matric pass, ‘at least he can speak English’.

Most of the time its not that difficult to see the difference between an educated and non-educated person.
 
A lot of Arts majors are Pre-Law and end becoming lawyers making six figures. Also many people who get liberal arts/social science degrees end up going to grad school and their goal is usually to get a PhD and join academia, professors definitely make a livable wage and are an important part of the higher education system. Aside from that some arts students can get teaching certificates and can teach kids in the K-12 system, while teachers don't make a lot the still make enough to be in the middle class tax bracket.

I know this kid that's a sophomore in college and he was really smart in high school, got 5s in all his AP sciences classes and took dual credit physics and calculus and ended up getting a full ride to a top ranked state college in the engineering program yet he turned them down to pursue a BA Honors in History (also on scholarship) because he realized he was more passionate about history even though he could've made hell of a lot more in 4 years as a mechanical engineer. It isn't all about the money, he told me he wants to get a PhD in war history and become a professor & researcher and eventually write his own book.

I'm a hard science major on a pre health track but I have respect for people that pursue an education in the Liberal Arts. Writing papers along with the research that goes with it is no easy task.
 
No, not really. You cant substitute the guided learning, intellectual stimulus, peer network and social environment of a University with a DIY Youtube approach.

I can't believe you put liberal art and intellectual stimulus in the same sentence.

You can learn more useful things from a Grade 5 physics class than you can learn from a university liberal art course.

It is one of the biggest scams in worldwide education systems currently.
 
Poor careers advice (one part of schools that is badly in need of an overhaul) and a lack of life experience.

People start these degrees when they are 18 years old, and we are all very young and naive at that age. Yes these are interesting and thought-provoking subjects which make for some memorable chats over a drink with friends, but little do we know at the time that prospective employers are not exactly screaming out for arts graduates.

By the time these students realise that they are grafting hard for what will ultimately be a close-to-useless qualification, it’s too late and they are well into their third year, so at that point they might as well finish off their dissertation and get their honours.

Many then never pick up a book again, and end up in a job that they could have got 3 years earlier without the degree. As an artsy fartsy type, I’ve been there!

In the end I emerged from my mountain of unrepayable debt to find a field of work which suited me - I’ve since worked my socks off, progressed upwards in the firm and actually done okay - but I am one of the lucky ones I think.

I completely agree with this - i know a few ‘artsy fartsy’ type too who ditched their ideals to get a real job once the reality of the student loans hit them hard. A colleague with a Masters degree in arts appreciation joined an analyst role in my bank - an undergrad role.

Liberal arts might work in scenarios of public subsidized education or where parents are rich enough to sustain the kids - where somebody else is paying for you to get a idealistic but non-marketable education. It cant work in an environment where you are expected to pay off your own loans.
 
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A lot of Arts majors are Pre-Law and end becoming lawyers making six figures. Also many people who get liberal arts/social science degrees end up going to grad school and their goal is usually to get a PhD and join academia, professors definitely make a livable wage and are an important part of the higher education system. Aside from that some arts students can get teaching certificates and can teach kids in the K-12 system, while teachers don't make a lot the still make enough to be in the middle class tax bracket.

I know this kid that's a sophomore in college and he was really smart in high school, got 5s in all his AP sciences classes and took dual credit physics and calculus and ended up getting a full ride to a top ranked state college in the engineering program yet he turned them down to pursue a BA Honors in History (also on scholarship) because he realized he was more passionate about history even though he could've made hell of a lot more in 4 years as a mechanical engineer. It isn't all about the money, he told me he wants to get a PhD in war history and become a professor & researcher and eventually write his own book.

I'm a hard science major on a pre health track but I have respect for people that pursue an education in the Liberal Arts. Writing papers along with the research that goes with it is no easy task.

Yep, this. Most people become lawyers and that's a hell of a good career.
 
I can't believe you put liberal art and intellectual stimulus in the same sentence.

You can learn more useful things from a Grade 5 physics class than you can learn from a university liberal art course.

It is one of the biggest scams in worldwide education systems currently.

I don’t mean it in a bad way but your judgemental view and negative opinion of Non-stem subjects may be down to your lack of experience in professional life.

18 years ago when I graduated with an Informatics degree, I was used to think similarly. Life isn’t that black and white.
 
There are only a few useful degrees/paths - medical field, engineering, IT, and business. Rest are generally useless degrees. It is a fact.

I see no difference between a person with no degree and a person with a liberal arts degree (along with high student loan).

Apologies - shouldn't have taken a dig at you.

On the other hand, like you did completed degree, many liberal arts undergrads do a masters to elevate their standing..
 
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Apologies - shouldn't have taken a dig at you.

On the other hand, like you did completed degree, many liberal arts undergrads do a masters to elevate their standing..

No worries. You have been quite respectful.

I am just here for the discussion. Nothing more.
 
Tech billionaire/NBA team owner Mark Cuban sees greater demand for liberal arts majors. Automation is gonna change the economy in the coming decade.

 
Cuban is a very successful businessman, he's grown his wealth significantly by investing wisely by observing trends. He's a venture capitalist on the Shark Tank so I'd give more weight to his opinion.
 
Do you think every liberal art student gets a job at Goldman? I bet vast majority don't end up with relevant jobs. There are actually lots of memes about liberal art graduates on the internet.

It is a great degree for women but it boggles my mind why a man would want to study it.

No, but thats why a said good school. And its not just goldman many top consulting firms, hedge funds, invesment banks, hire students with liberal arts degrees as long as they went to a top tier school.

A liberal arts degree from an elite school will be more valuable than a business degree from some random middle tier, or low tier school.

For example a Princeton grad from whatever major will have more doors open than a graduate from the University of Arkansas.
 
No, but thats why a said good school. And its not just goldman many top consulting firms, hedge funds, invesment banks, hire students with liberal arts degrees as long as they went to a top tier school.

A liberal arts degree from an elite school will be more valuable than a business degree from some random middle tier, or low tier school.

For example a Princeton grad from whatever major will have more doors open than a graduate from the University of Arkansas.

I was referring to all students from all countries in general. What you are saying is only applicable to American students.

What can you do with a liberal art degree in a Middle Eastern country, for example?

You can probably succeed with a liberal art degree only in USA. I don't think you can do that in another country (specially in a non-western country).
 
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I was referring to all students from all countries in general. What you are saying is only applicable to American students.

What can you do with a liberal art degree in a Middle Eastern country, for example?

You can probably succeed with a liberal art degree only in USA. I don't think you can do that in another country (specially in a non-western country).

Well i live in America, so that's why i gave an example from there. and i think Canada is pretty similar, for ex Mcgill University would be better option than some no name Canadian university.

I am not sure about the Middle East, but in the subcontinent guys don't go for liberal arts degree, because in those countries for the majority of people marriage is based on practicality, where women judge you on how much money you have, and not love.

So guys who don't have good jobs are deemed "losers", while guys who do well and get high paying jobs can punch above their weight in looks, and get to be way more picky than they ever would get a chance to be if they were casually dating.
 
Well i live in America, so that's why i gave an example from there. and i think Canada is pretty similar, for ex Mcgill University would be better option than some no name Canadian university.

I am not sure about the Middle East, but in the subcontinent guys don't go for liberal arts degree, because in those countries for the majority of people marriage is based on practicality, where women judge you on how much money you have, and not love.

So guys who don't have good jobs are deemed "losers", while guys who do well and get high paying jobs can punch above their weight in looks, and get to be way more picky than they ever would get a chance to be if they were casually dating.

In Canada, it is not like that. You are unlikely to find any real employment with a liberal art degree. It is because Canada doesn't have as many big companies as USA. Our population is only 36-million as opposed to America's 330-million. Very small market here in Canada.

There can be odd success stories but those are extremely rare exceptions.

Pretty sure you can't do much with liberal art degree outside of western countries. There aren't much opportunities.
 
In Canada, it is not like that. You are unlikely to find any real employment with a liberal art degree. It is because Canada doesn't have as many big companies as USA. Our population is only 36-million as opposed to America's 330-million. Very small market here in Canada.

There can be odd success stories but those are extremely rare exceptions.

Pretty sure you can't do much with liberal art degree outside of western countries. There aren't much opportunities.

Canadians have free access to the American market, for a Canadian that is qualified getting a job in America and the required documents to work here are not an issue lol. You can think of the US and Canada as one market, many Canadians come here to study medicine and other academic fields cause of more opportunities.
 
Canadians have free access to the American market, for a Canadian that is qualified getting a job in America and the required documents to work here are not an issue lol. You can think of the US and Canada as one market, many Canadians come here to study medicine and other academic fields cause of more opportunities.

You conveniently ignored the other part of my post --> "Pretty sure you can't do much with liberal art degree outside of western countries. There aren't much opportunities.".

This thread is not just about Canada and USA. This thread is applicable worldwide.

Point of this thread is to understand whether or not liberal art degree and other similar degrees are worthwhile in all places. Answer is a big fat no.
 
Degree doesn't always define how your career will pan out... I did mechanical but after working in it for a few years I switched to software.


A few engineers who graduated with me are working in the financial department of banks. A couple of my buddies ended up doing CPA after engineering. One or two even went into law or medical.


The point is that your degree doesn't always define what path your career will take.
 
Liberal arts aims to open your mind. Most of the jobs you do post college can be learnt by a monkey within a couple of months if they spend time on the desk so technical skills definitely isn’t what they’re missing out on
 
Canadians have free access to the American market, for a Canadian that is qualified getting a job in America and the required documents to work here are not an issue lol. You can think of the US and Canada as one market, many Canadians come here to study medicine and other academic fields cause of more opportunities.

The main reason why Canadians go to U.S. for med is because it's next to impossible to get into a medical school here. I'm doing my bachelors in biology right now, and the end goal is to do medicine but I don't know what the chances are that I will get in here. Might have to go to U.S., but I'd rather not.
 
The main reason why Canadians go to U.S. for med is because it's next to impossible to get into a medical school here. I'm doing my bachelors in biology right now, and the end goal is to do medicine but I don't know what the chances are that I will get in here. Might have to go to U.S., but I'd rather not.

Canadians go to the US because the US economy is on a different planet to Canada’s
 
Canadians go to the US because the US economy is on a different planet to Canada’s

Yes but he is also right about admissions, its very tough there.

Whereas a Canadian can jus do his med course from Caribbean studying for USMLE and clear it.

So both the reasons hold..
 
Some of the Pakistani ministers like Fawad Chaudhry and Fayaz ul Hasan Chauhan are examples of what lack of education can do to you. Incase of Fawad Chaudhry he is proud that despite being Matric pass, ‘at least he can speak English’.

Most of the time its not that difficult to see the difference between an educated and non-educated person.

Both, Fayyaz ul Hassan and Fawad are educated enough. There issue is poor temperament not lack of education.
 
The main reason why Canadians go to U.S. for med is because it's next to impossible to get into a medical school here. I'm doing my bachelors in biology right now, and the end goal is to do medicine but I don't know what the chances are that I will get in here. Might have to go to U.S., but I'd rather not.

Canadians go to the US because the US economy is on a different planet to Canada’s

A lot of Canadians come here for med school cause it's relatively "easier" to get into for a variety of reasons whereas it's extremely difficult in Canada as Abdul said. There's also the fact that there are like 179 med schools here vs only 17 in Canada so a lot more Canadians apply to American schools since there's such a big pool improving their chances.
 
A lot of Canadians come here for med school cause it's relatively "easier" to get into for a variety of reasons whereas it's extremely difficult in Canada as Abdul said. There's also the fact that there are like 179 med schools here vs only 17 in Canada so a lot more Canadians apply to American schools since there's such a big pool improving their chances.

Yes, the only reason why it's tougher to get in here is because Canada doesn't have as many med schools. I'll be applying to the both sides though. The closest one to me is located on UTM campus, really hope to get in there.
 
If you think about it, every degree is useless if you dont end up excelling in your field.

Alot of times people get medical degrees but end up teaching it as a subject later on instead of becoming a doctor.

Every people has different goals or values. For some its going after money, while for others its about being happy in his or her job by doing something that interests them.

Sociology is quite an interesting course and would had opt for that degree and not a business degree , reason being i find it interesting and like the atmosphere that course is taught in as discussion is promoted and ones knowledge really improves.

You want to talk about waste of money? ANy Business degree that gets offered is a waste of money, becase all the courses that get taught everyone knows about them before hand. You dont really leran skills, you only learn them when you join an orgnaization and use their software for that company.
 
I used to have a narrow-minded outlook on career choices when I was young. However, with age, I have learned to appreciate the fact that it is the natural process of how the world works. You will always need people to do a certain job.

The world cannot function if everyone becomes a doctor, engineer or an accountant. You will also need people to work in the so-called less fancied jobs that support the world. Ultimately all that matters is how much committed you are to your job. If you are passionate about it and take pride in it, it is an added bonus.

I particularly questioned why anyone would want to be an air-traffic controller for example. It seems to be the most mundane job without any professional reward. No one is going to celebrate you for helping aircrafts go from A to B safely, but one mistake can kill hundreds of people and traumatize you for life. There are reports of air-traffic controllers committing suicides after plane crashes.

If you think about it, it is hard to fathom why anyone would want to become an air-traffic controller, but someone has to do the job for the world to function.

Learn to respect people who choose certain career paths even if you cannot understand their career choices. It has almost nothing to do with intelligence. A window-cleaner might be smarter than an automobile engineer but different circumstances have led them to two vastly contrasting career paths.
 
I don't think anyone in this thread did any degree in liberal art. That's the point I was raising. It is risky to pursue a degree where you know roads are uncertain.

If you have rich parents, you can go for it. But, I don't know why a regular student (not an elite university student) would want to throw away money like this. Degree costs $30,000-$40,000 here minimum.
 
You want to talk about waste of money? ANy Business degree that gets offered is a waste of money, becase all the courses that get taught everyone knows about them before hand. You dont really leran skills, you only learn them when you join an orgnaization and use their software for that company.

Business degrees are kind of useless too but I would say it is still better than liberal art and social sciences. You can at least still pursue accounting designations.

My degree was in business but I also did a 2-year diploma in computer programming.
 
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