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Why Does Asif Ali get so much hate?

If the other option is Saud Shakeel, then I would go with Asif Ali.

I am not a fan of Asif Ali by the way. Any hack should have the skill to stay at the crease for at least 15 overs if needed, and Asif Ali fails that test by miles.
 
If the other option is Saud Shakeel, then I would go with Asif Ali.

I am not a fan of Asif Ali by the way. Any hack should have the skill to stay at the crease for at least 15 overs if needed, and Asif Ali fails that test by miles.

They should be playing Haider and Haris at no.4 and 5 and Rizwan at 6

If they feel Shafique and Saud are not good for batting in LOIs to hit those shots..

Or bring back Haris Sohail or get Umar Amin in his place at no.4..

This Asif Ali , Ifthikar and Khushdil not gonna help build the team for the upcoming 50 over WC
 
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If the other option is Saud Shakeel, then I would go with Asif Ali.

I am not a fan of Asif Ali by the way. Any hack should have the skill to stay at the crease for at least 15 overs if needed, and Asif Ali fails that test by miles.

No need to play hack for that, play proper batsman who can score at 80-90 SR and once set can bring the onslaught

Rizwan has been struggling in the ODIs a lot especially... for the last 1 year he had only 1 fifty against England in the dead rubber, without that he has scored only 120 runs in 10 inns which is an avg of 12

Actually the tail starts from no.4 for Pakistan..
 
They should be playing Haider and Haris at no.4 and 5 and Rizwan at 6

If they feel Shafique and Saud are not good for batting in LOIs to hit those shots..

Or bring back Haris Sohail or get Umar Amin in his place at no.4..

This Asif Ali , Ifthikar and Khushdil not gonna help build the team for the upcoming 50 over WC

Haider shouldn't be anywhere close to the team
 
Haider shouldn't be anywhere close to the team

Yes i know he is short of runs and turned into a hacker in advent of the T20s

But he along with Shafique are someone for the future that can be developed into a solid batsman as Babar

I would give chances to Shafique, Saud , Haider , Haris and Kamran Ghulam anyday than playing Asif Ali, Ifthikar , Danish Aziz and Khusdil Shah

Pakistan need to understand the difference between batsman and late order bits and pieces players..

Bits and pieces cannot replace batsmen in the middle order.. with that said Asif Ali is not even bits and pieces, just hack 1-2 six
 
Anyone can play all formats if continues to get selected... Performance matters..

Bring the stats of Ifthikar in all formats to support he is all format player...

All domestic bullies cannot survive in intl cricket.. Imran Farhat is a great example for that, he is a legend in domestics but in intl not even a regular player..

He hasn't played much games so i can't bring the stats but look at his domestic stats the season just gone.

Do you mean not all domestic bullies if so correct.
NOT ALL but some can.
 
This guy is living off the occasional innings like the one against Afghanistan. Most of the time he does nothing:

since his innings of 25* off 7 balls against Afghanistan:

3
21*
9
1
0
5*
 
Asif Ali has batted 35 times in T20Is. In 20 of those innings he has scored 9 or less
 
Those four sixes that he hit against Afghanistan will haunt us for many years. This guy has got a free pass in the team for the foreseeable future.
 
Pakistan may have missed a berth in the final of the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2021, but the tournament continues to be remembered for the side’s scintillating run, underscored by their record five straight wins in the group stages. One of the key members of that side was Asif Ali whose ferocious power-hitting took Pakistan out of a precarious situation twice, sealing ​thrilling wins on both occasions.

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Following a perfect 10-wicket win over India, Pakistan found themselves in a spot of bother with 48 needed off 31 with half of their batters back in the pavilion. Asif Ali carved Trent Boult through point and smashed Tim Southee for back-to-back sixes two overs later. The onslaught would see Pakistan finish the game in the penultimate over with Asif smashing Boult for a six down long-on, putting the iconic Sharjah Stadium on fire and stealing a double on the next ball.

The strong right-handed batter came to Pakistan’s rescue the very next match again on their course to 148-run target against Afghanistan in Dubai. After having lost Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik in a span of six balls and the tide turning in favour of Afghanistan, Pakistan required 24 off 12. Asif, not one to take things deep, smacked Karim Jannat for four sixes to once again close the match for his side in the penultimate over.

“It would be the one against New Zealand,” chuckled Asif when asked by the PCB Digital to choose his favourite performance from the two. “I was under pressure coming into the match as I had not been able to perform in the previous series and we were in a tough situation. I was hit on my head [by a Southee bouncer] and was feeling a bit dizzy. But, I told myself that I am here; fine and alive. No matter what, I will deliver for my team.”

The fearless approach that embodies his destructive strokeplay is reflective of his designated role in the team as the finisher and his willingness to go the extra mile has been a feature of his career since the beginning.

When Asif emerged on the domestic scene in Faisalabad, his name became synonymous with long, towering sixes. His ability to deposit bowlers from any length far beyond the boundary would turn him into a local legend.

An incredible HBL Pakistan Super League 2018 in which his strike-rate hovered around 215 in the death overs, saw him elevated to the national side and he made his international debut some days later against the West Indies in Karachi.

To establish his name amongst the big hitters, and then go on to deliver at the stage that matters the most, Asif has a strict power-hitting regime he adheres to. “I try to hit 100 to 150 sixes in my practice sessions so I am ready to hit sixes in the match.” This is one aspect of the two-pronged strategy.

As is the case with cricketers in this part of the world, Asif’s first introduction to cricket was through tapeball – a form of cricket in which tennis ball is wrapped with electric tape that helps the pacers to bowl with pace and the tape’s wear and tear provides substantial lateral movement in the air, replicating reverse-swing. Asif was a known professional tape-ball cricketer in Faisalabad and the teams would pay him to travel and represent them in different tournaments across the country.

Tapeball cricket played a crucial role in his power hitting evolution. “It [batting in tapeball cricket] is the best practice for hard-hitting,” he says, “As the ball swings and there is late swing as well. You need to have impeccable balance and head position with pretty still feet to counter it. It also helps in developing a good bat speed. Even today, when I go home, I play tape-ball cricket.”

Typing a few keywords like “Asif Ali” and “Tape ball” on the YouTube search bar will give you a closer look at how he goes about his business in single-wicket competitions.

After the T20 World Cup last year, there will be expectations from Asif to replicate those remarkable cameos when he walks out in the middle in the upcoming ACC T20 Asia Cup in the same country.

Asif is all set to deliver on them.
 
Pakistan may have missed a berth in the final of the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2021, but the tournament continues to be remembered for the side’s scintillating run, underscored by their record five straight wins in the group stages. One of the key members of that side was Asif Ali whose ferocious power-hitting took Pakistan out of a precarious situation twice, sealing ​thrilling wins on both occasions.

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Following a perfect 10-wicket win over India, Pakistan found themselves in a spot of bother with 48 needed off 31 with half of their batters back in the pavilion. Asif Ali carved Trent Boult through point and smashed Tim Southee for back-to-back sixes two overs later. The onslaught would see Pakistan finish the game in the penultimate over with Asif smashing Boult for a six down long-on, putting the iconic Sharjah Stadium on fire and stealing a double on the next ball.

The strong right-handed batter came to Pakistan’s rescue the very next match again on their course to 148-run target against Afghanistan in Dubai. After having lost Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik in a span of six balls and the tide turning in favour of Afghanistan, Pakistan required 24 off 12. Asif, not one to take things deep, smacked Karim Jannat for four sixes to once again close the match for his side in the penultimate over.

“It would be the one against New Zealand,” chuckled Asif when asked by the PCB Digital to choose his favourite performance from the two. “I was under pressure coming into the match as I had not been able to perform in the previous series and we were in a tough situation. I was hit on my head [by a Southee bouncer] and was feeling a bit dizzy. But, I told myself that I am here; fine and alive. No matter what, I will deliver for my team.”

The fearless approach that embodies his destructive strokeplay is reflective of his designated role in the team as the finisher and his willingness to go the extra mile has been a feature of his career since the beginning.

When Asif emerged on the domestic scene in Faisalabad, his name became synonymous with long, towering sixes. His ability to deposit bowlers from any length far beyond the boundary would turn him into a local legend.

An incredible HBL Pakistan Super League 2018 in which his strike-rate hovered around 215 in the death overs, saw him elevated to the national side and he made his international debut some days later against the West Indies in Karachi.

To establish his name amongst the big hitters, and then go on to deliver at the stage that matters the most, Asif has a strict power-hitting regime he adheres to. “I try to hit 100 to 150 sixes in my practice sessions so I am ready to hit sixes in the match.” This is one aspect of the two-pronged strategy.

As is the case with cricketers in this part of the world, Asif’s first introduction to cricket was through tapeball – a form of cricket in which tennis ball is wrapped with electric tape that helps the pacers to bowl with pace and the tape’s wear and tear provides substantial lateral movement in the air, replicating reverse-swing. Asif was a known professional tape-ball cricketer in Faisalabad and the teams would pay him to travel and represent them in different tournaments across the country.

Tapeball cricket played a crucial role in his power hitting evolution. “It [batting in tapeball cricket] is the best practice for hard-hitting,” he says, “As the ball swings and there is late swing as well. You need to have impeccable balance and head position with pretty still feet to counter it. It also helps in developing a good bat speed. Even today, when I go home, I play tape-ball cricket.”

Typing a few keywords like “Asif Ali” and “Tape ball” on the YouTube search bar will give you a closer look at how he goes about his business in single-wicket competitions.

After the T20 World Cup last year, there will be expectations from Asif to replicate those remarkable cameos when he walks out in the middle in the upcoming ACC T20 Asia Cup in the same country.

Asif is all set to deliver on them.

I'm no expert on tape ball vs hard ball - but I don't seem to grasp the science behind practicing with tape ball when the actual game is played using hard ball.

I've never heard a basketball player saying that he practices with a volleyball or an American Football player saying that they practice with a soccer ball.
 
I'm no expert on tape ball vs hard ball - but I don't seem to grasp the science behind practicing with tape ball when the actual game is played using hard ball.

I've never heard a basketball player saying that he practices with a volleyball or an American Football player saying that they practice with a soccer ball.

Tape ball comes more quickly than normal cricket ball.
 
Asif Ali fires once in a while.

How many such players can Pakistan have?
 
He is galli mohalla tape ball tulla baz hack.

That's the mockery of the system this guy doesn't belong nowhere near intl cricket.
 
This guy could have a career in baseball. He has remarkable hitting skills
 
He is what he is. If he finds his eye and a decent matchup he can add about 10-15 runs to the teams projected score in the short time he typically spends at crease.

Can afford one such player in T20I XI thanks to players like Shadab and Nawaz being allrounders
 
Another memorable innings today from Asif Ali - 9 off 7 balls.
 
Always was and always will be a garbage hack. 5-6 fluke sixes in the previous WT20 changes nothing.
 
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Asif Ali has batted 36 times in T20Is. In 21 of those innings he has scored 9 or less
 
The whole middle order trio is abysmal, I wonder when will our mgt realize this and start inducting youngsta beauties
 
The whole middle order trio is abysmal, I wonder when will our mgt realize this and start inducting youngsta beauties

Please give us some names. Actually i'll make it easier for you - name me one youngster who could do a better job.

If you can't it's time to stop posting nonsense about the middle order as if there is some kind of obvious solution.
 
I have no problem with a team backing ONE hit n miss player like Asif Ali. It paid off in two crucial games in the last t20 World Cup.

However, when you back 3 of these type of players and these 3 form the backbone of your middle order, I have a big problem with it.

I don’t see what any of these three give us ahead of Haidar Ali. No one can convince me that haidar doesn’t get in to the team when we have THREE places in the middle order available and the alternatives are 3 hacks and very poor hacks at that.
 
I have no problem with a team backing ONE hit n miss player like Asif Ali. It paid off in two crucial games in the last t20 World Cup.

However, when you back 3 of these type of players and these 3 form the backbone of your middle order, I have a big problem with it.

I don’t see what any of these three give us ahead of Haidar Ali. No one can convince me that haidar doesn’t get in to the team when we have THREE places in the middle order available and the alternatives are 3 hacks and very poor hacks at that.

Completely agree.

Haider Ali should be a fixture and both Khushdil and Asif can't play.
 
Please give us some names. Actually i'll make it easier for you - name me one youngster who could do a better job.

If you can't it's time to stop posting nonsense about the middle order as if there is some kind of obvious solution.

Ok let me give you the names ,
1)Kamran Ghulam , A sensible clean striker of the ball who can be like to like replacement for Ifti Chacha except that the Kamran avgs more than 50+ in FC.
2)Haider Ali , The guy can do what Khusdhil supposed to be doing and can walk in the side in place of him
3)M.Huraira , The guy put heavy tag on his wicket and scores briskly as well , surely hes not got the fire power of Asif Ali but again you don't need such type of fire power who only clicks in 1/5 times and even then only manages 20 odd runs.
4)Qasim Akram , He does have the fire power to clear the ropes often ,is consistent and is very young and can bowl offspin as well ,
5)Sahibzada Farhan , A pretty much in the mould of Asif Ali , A limited cricketer but definitely more consistent in getting quick fire 20s and 30s.
 
Ok let me give you the names ,
1)Kamran Ghulam , A sensible clean striker of the ball who can be like to like replacement for Ifti Chacha except that the Kamran avgs more than 50+ in FC.
2)Haider Ali , The guy can do what Khusdhil supposed to be doing and can walk in the side in place of him
3)M.Huraira , The guy put heavy tag on his wicket and scores briskly as well , surely hes not got the fire power of Asif Ali but again you don't need such type of fire power who only clicks in 1/5 times and even then only manages 20 odd runs.
4)Qasim Akram , He does have the fire power to clear the ropes often ,is consistent and is very young and can bowl offspin as well ,
5)Sahibzada Farhan , A pretty much in the mould of Asif Ali , A limited cricketer but definitely more consistent in getting quick fire 20s and 30s.

Kamran Ghulam - Two 50+ scores in his entire T20 career. Never done anything of note in this format.

Haider Ali - TTF who has been dropped repeatedly already.

Mohammad Huraira - Played 1 t20 in his entire career lol

Qasim Akram - One 50+ score ever in this format after a decent amount of games

Farhan - TTF and not a middle order player

I'd have understood if you went for Shan Masood and Shoaib Malik but the fact is there is zero middle order talent in Pakistan and Asif/Khushdil remain the most obvious choices.
 
Ok let me give you the names ,
1)Kamran Ghulam , A sensible clean striker of the ball who can be like to like replacement for Ifti Chacha except that the Kamran avgs more than 50+ in FC.
2)Haider Ali , The guy can do what Khusdhil supposed to be doing and can walk in the side in place of him
3)M.Huraira , The guy put heavy tag on his wicket and scores briskly as well , surely hes not got the fire power of Asif Ali but again you don't need such type of fire power who only clicks in 1/5 times and even then only manages 20 odd runs.
4)Qasim Akram , He does have the fire power to clear the ropes often ,is consistent and is very young and can bowl offspin as well ,
5)Sahibzada Farhan , A pretty much in the mould of Asif Ali , A limited cricketer but definitely more consistent in getting quick fire 20s and 30s.

Kamran Ghullam has a strike rate of 124.

Haider should be given a long run at 4/5

Hurraira who proberly won't even get in notherns team this year for t20s.


Qasim Akram should be long term solution strike rate is quite good,good fielder and can bowl aswell.
 
I have no problem with a team backing ONE hit n miss player like Asif Ali. It paid off in two crucial games in the last t20 World Cup.

However, when you back 3 of these type of players and these 3 form the backbone of your middle order, I have a big problem with it.

I don’t see what any of these three give us ahead of Haidar Ali. No one can convince me that haidar doesn’t get in to the team when we have THREE places in the middle order available and the alternatives are 3 hacks and very poor hacks at that.

Wholeheartedly agree there, If Asif Ali had an Indian coach then the shot he played to get out against Bhuvi should have been played square of mid off rather then trying to clear the mid off. It's embarrassing
to see Asif getting out in the same manner and the word goes around very fast these days but I would't mind him.

Keeping haider out of this team is criminal
 
He needs to be backed and given full confidence. His job is to swing and swing hard, it’s a mickey mouse format but you need ballsy players like this, who else in his position will take such risks. It’s a gamble but with a few overs left, 1’s and 2’s don’t help
 
He needs to be backed and given full confidence. His job is to swing and swing hard, it’s a mickey mouse format but you need ballsy players like this, who else in his position will take such risks. It’s a gamble but with a few overs left, 1’s and 2’s don’t help
Exactly

That’s what he’s in the team for
 
Asif Ali has batted 39 times in T20Is. In 22 of those innings he has scored 9 or less.

Are we going to give him a free ride in the hope that he scores runs once in a blue moon?
 
Asif Ali has batted 39 times in T20Is. In 22 of those innings he has scored 9 or less.

Are we going to give him a free ride in the hope that he scores runs once in a blue moon?

To be fair to Asif, he is always used in difficult positions where he has to hit out almost from the word go.

Today he was rubbish but at least he doesn’t waste balls.
 
To be fair to Asif, he is always used in difficult positions where he has to hit out almost from the word go.

Today he was rubbish but at least he doesn’t waste balls.

The problem is he's rubbish most of the time.

Can any team carry such a player who rarely performs.
 
He is a six hitter.

No, really.

Thats the only shot he has in his arsenal. He has the defence of a tail ender.
 
The problem is he's rubbish most of the time.

Can any team carry such a player who rarely performs.

We are carrying 3-4 such players. They are allowed to fail perennially. Astonishingly our captain and coach don’t have the courage to try some new players even in dead rubbers
 
People have high expectations from him. There is a reason he comes at no. 7
. Unfair to expect him to defend well.
 
Pakistan have the luxury of having two spinners who are very capable batsmen, so we can afford a tullaybaaz like Asif coming in for a few overs just to hit. The problem is, we can't afford three such batsmen. Fakhar, Iftikhar & Khushdil need immediate replacing. I've been saying from the start, take Fakhar and Khushdil out immediately, these two consume balls and then get out cheaply. At least with Ifti he can hold down the fort during a collapse. Bring in Shan and Haider, tell them they have unlimited chances because there's literally no one else, and throw out the following team:

Rizwan
Babar
Haider
Shan Masood
Iftikhar
Shadab
Nawaz
Asif
Rauf
Shaheen
Naseem
 
We are carrying 3-4 such players. They are allowed to fail perennially. Astonishingly our captain and coach don’t have the courage to try some new players even in dead rubbers


This is the astonishing bit Why arent other options being tried in the batting?
Our Bowlers are changed at a drop of a hat but god forbid if they give a batter a game

Fakhar, ifti, khushdil, Asif have failed more times than not but they keep their places continuously

Its astonishing
 
Besides hitting a few sixes, there isn't really much to his Intl. career. He really is becoming a freeloader in this team.
 
Alarm bells should be ringing with the selectors. This man is an unbelievably poor choice to have in the XI. In the stadium today, the crowd erupted when he came out to bat. It was like the insufferable Afridi days all over again at the end of his career when he was batting at 8. I was astonished that Asif Ali of all people got the loudest cheer of the day. I knew what was coming. If he comes in with more than 3 overs left of the game, it is almost guaranteed to be a flop innings. He has never got a 50 in T20. It's not like he hasn't had chances to. How can we put our trust into a player who averages 7 balls at the crease and has a batting average of 16? It hinders our top order aswell because they probably think in some situations "Asif is coming don't worry, he MIGHT have a good innings". We surely need to find a more complete batsman to be our finisher in the future. We probably aren't developing any elite ones except for Shadab and Nawaz, but I see them more as solid middle order players batting at 5/6.
 
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In all the aftermath of the failure at the asia cup im surprised asif ali pretty much got away with very little criticism for his returns

I mean this guy is taking up a full time batters position and giving tail end returns

I believe hes scored more than 20 just once since the world cup

Its unbelievable he gets away with this and the role given to him to play 6-12 balls is astonishing seeing he cant even do that
 
In all the aftermath of the failure at the asia cup im surprised asif ali pretty much got away with very little criticism for his returns

I mean this guy is taking up a full time batters position and giving tail end returns

I believe hes scored more than 20 just once since the world cup

Its unbelievable he gets away with this and the role given to him to play 6-12 balls is astonishing seeing he cant even do that

He only struggled against Sri Lanka in which was the spinner the other 2 games he scored at a strike rate of 200 in which were in the last couple overs.
 
He only struggled against Sri Lanka in which was the spinner the other 2 games he scored at a strike rate of 200 in which were in the last couple overs.

So them two games dont count? Come on He should be able to play spin Teams are gonna know hes so poor and immediately get the spinner on Theres no hiding in intl cricket He looked clueless

You talk about 200 strike rate but a naseem or rauf can slog similar returns for 6 - 8 balls We should be expecting a lot more in terms of runs from a specilaist batter, an 8 ball 16 isnt acceptable

Its a waste of a position tbh
 
He only struggled against Sri Lanka in which was the spinner the other 2 games he scored at a strike rate of 200 in which were in the last couple overs.

When someone's scores regularly read 4 (2) or 10(5) etc. , saying that he bats at 200 SR is a bit misleading.
 
He is poorer version of Afridi. He has batted in 40 innings Got out in 30 innings Scored single digit score in 20 innings out of it.

Sarfraz and Asif ali have played 20 matches together

Sarfraz 20 matches 14 innings 342 runs 31 avge 138 Strike rate
Asif Ali 20 matches 19 innings 276 runs 21 avge 129 strike rate


Only difference is Asif has 15 sixes Sarfraz has 8 sixes. But Sarfraz has hit 36 fours Asif 14 fours.

I think his six hitting prowess has somewhat put him in an advantageous position. This is something even Hasan Ali can do can't he?
 
He's actually been getting a lot of love lately.
 
So them two games dont count? Come on He should be able to play spin Teams are gonna know hes so poor and immediately get the spinner on Theres no hiding in intl cricket He looked clueless

You talk about 200 strike rate but a naseem or rauf can slog similar returns for 6 - 8 balls We should be expecting a lot more in terms of runs from a specilaist batter, an 8 ball 16 isnt acceptable

Its a waste of a position tbh
Partly not his fault . He’s coming to late in the innings.

If he is coming with 4 overs left which is 24 balls scoring 16 of 8 of 12 of 6 is fine . What else can he do .
In the final he came with 56 needed of 21 balls or something like that .

He really should be coming with 7-8 overs left and then we might see 30 of 16 kind of innings.

He is being heavily underused which makes his position a waste of a spot as is playing as a batsman .
 
he is used terribly, almost always sent in when mathematically the game is over... hell let him have 7-8 overs to plonk at when the foundation is set... heck send him 1 down or even as an opener to surprise the opposition... yes i know he hasnt set the world ablaze, but, he hasnt been given a proper fair situational run, and in asia cup final, he came out 56 from 19 or so needed, and when shadab crashed into him, he split his webbing as a result and had 4 stitches as per saqlain...
 
he is used terribly, almost always sent in when mathematically the game is over... hell let him have 7-8 overs to plonk at when the foundation is set... heck send him 1 down or even as an opener to surprise the opposition... yes i know he hasnt set the world ablaze, but, he hasnt been given a proper fair situational run, and in asia cup final, he came out 56 from 19 or so needed, and when shadab crashed into him, he split his webbing as a result and had 4 stitches as per saqlain...

Most sensible post
He is being wasted down the order
 
Even if Asif is to be used at 6/7 in the world cup, prior to world cup he should be allowed to bat up the order, get some runs to build confidence. Otherwise stats of players coming that late in the batting order will never be good enough to not get questioned.
 
He is never gonna be the player who can be trusted but he can come good once in 4-5 matches and can win the close match.

Out of iftikhar chacha khushdil Shah and Asif Ali i would pick Asif Ali every day and twice on Sunday. Asif won't waste the balls as other losers do
 
Rogue suggestion.

Can he be tried as an opener? Field's in so he can hit over the top with reduced risk of being caught. His 12 ball 27's will bring far more impact in the first PP than Rizwan's or Babar's 12 ball 10s.
 
Rogue suggestion.

Can he be tried as an opener? Field's in so he can hit over the top with reduced risk of being caught. His 12 ball 27's will bring far more impact in the first PP than Rizwan's or Babar's 12 ball 10s.

If he has to stay in the team then he could work as an opener. He will most certainly fare better than he does in the finisher role where he tends to finish his own team’s chances more often than not.

But the Babar-Rizwan duopoly will not end. #1 and #2 in the lineup has become their personal property.

Pakistan can unearth the next Tendulkar and Sehwag and PCB will not change their batting position.
 
Rogue suggestion.

Can he be tried as an opener? Field's in so he can hit over the top with reduced risk of being caught. His 12 ball 27's will bring far more impact in the first PP than Rizwan's or Babar's 12 ball 10s.

100%

Him, Khushdil and Nawaz are far better suited to opening in T20 as compared to Babar and Rizwan
 
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You know this thing about England’s revolution in white ball cricket. Where pretenders on this forum who quite honestly have never held a cricket bat in their life will tell you that Pakistan doesn’t have the resources like England did to make it happen…

Let me tell you now, it’s all a lie. Pakistan most definitely has all the tools in the current team even to make it happen. I’ve seen the domestic tournament now for 2 years. I can specifically pick out the boys and give them to Trevor Bayliss to work his magic like he did with England. Believe me, it’s possible for these boys to play cricket like England and Australia do.
 
Rogue suggestion.

Can he be tried as an opener? Field's in so he can hit over the top with reduced risk of being caught. His 12 ball 27's will bring far more impact in the first PP than Rizwan's or Babar's 12 ball 10s.

No harm in trying and I'd love to see it in action.

As Markhor mentioned last week, it's not just ex-Pakistan players/coaches who are stuck in the 90s. The fans also share the 90s mindset. They're the same ones (such a certain Pak + Eng fan) who ridicule anyone for questioning the Babar and Rizwan opening combination.
 
No harm in trying and I'd love to see it in action.

As Markhor mentioned last week, it's not just ex-Pakistan players/coaches who are stuck in the 90s. The fans also share the 90s mindset. They're the same ones (such a certain Pak + Eng fan) who ridicule anyone for questioning the Babar and Rizwan opening combination.

The truth is, they are doing their best to hold onto this position (opening) for Rizwan only. Babar isn’t their priority, Rizwan is. It’s a bit like the Japanese in WWII, who were ready to die but will not surrender their fight. It’s that desperate. Surrendering the opening spot for Rizwan means to expose a deer before headlights. He is a walking wicket in every other position. He is no different to Khushdil, Iftikhar at 4 and 5. And is no different to Fakhar at 3.
 
[MENTION=143714]Kroll[/MENTION]

You know this thing about England’s revolution in white ball cricket. Where pretenders on this forum who quite honestly have never held a cricket bat in their life will tell you that Pakistan doesn’t have the resources like England did to make it happen…

Let me tell you now, it’s all a lie. Pakistan most definitely has all the tools in the current team even to make it happen. I’ve seen the domestic tournament now for 2 years. I can specifically pick out the boys and give them to Trevor Bayliss to work his magic like he did with England. Believe me, it’s possible for these boys to play cricket like England and Australia do.

Please put your money where your mouth is and mention the batting lineup that would put up 400+ totals in ODI cricket for fun like England did from 2015-2020 and win a World Cup.

You mentioned Pakistan has such players at their disposal already. It shouldn’t be hard for you to come up with a batting lineup and forward an email to Ramiz and Wasim.

You will start with Sharjeel at top, and if you think he has what it takes to produce the type of impact Bairstow, Buttler, Roy and Hales have had for England over the years, you are clearly deluded but we know that already.
 
He only struggled against Sri Lanka in which was the spinner the other 2 games he scored at a strike rate of 200 in which were in the last couple overs.

It's unfortunate that Pakistan cricket is satisfied with one out of 10 innings where a player manages to score a 14 off 7 balls type innings.

Surely there should be more to batting than this.
 
He has not worked on his game one bit in the last 4 years which is the most worrying and disappointing aspect. The only thing he has improved is his fielding
 
Please put your money where your mouth is and mention the batting lineup that would put up 400+ totals in ODI cricket for fun like England did from 2015-2020 and win a World Cup.

You mentioned Pakistan has such players at their disposal already. It shouldn’t be hard for you to come up with a batting lineup and forward an email to Ramiz and Wasim.

You will start with Sharjeel at top, and if you think he has what it takes to produce the type of impact Bairstow, Buttler, Roy and Hales have had for England over the years, you are clearly deluded but we know that already.

There are two aspects to your comment. The first is the serious question of what would be a good line up that will put up scores of 400 regularly with the resources available. For me to answer that, I will have to conjure up the the effort to take you seriously, which unfortunately I cannot right now.

The second aspect of your comment is that your response requires to be addressed in a language that you understand and speak very well. This language aspires people like me to speak to you in the same manner that you speak to everyone else who you think are below you for whatever reason best known to you.

Whilst my views on improvement my be delusional according to your view, the one thing they definitely are and as proven with time (not straight away) and that is a 7 letter word that begins with C and ends with T…try figuring it out for a few seconds.

Whereas your views on most things are largely impulsive and emotionally charged, and most importantly they are proven to be a 5 letter word that begins with the letter W and ends with the letter G.
 
There are two aspects to your comment. The first is the serious question of what would be a good line up that will put up scores of 400 regularly with the resources available. For me to answer that, I will have to conjure up the the effort to take you seriously, which unfortunately I cannot right now.

The second aspect of your comment is that your response requires to be addressed in a language that you understand and speak very well. This language aspires people like me to speak to you in the same manner that you speak to everyone else who you think are below you for whatever reason best known to you.

Whilst my views on improvement my be delusional according to your view, the one thing they definitely are and as proven with time (not straight away) and that is a 7 letter word that begins with C and ends with T…try figuring it out for a few seconds.

Whereas your views on most things are largely impulsive and emotionally charged, and most importantly they are proven to be a 5 letter word that begins with the letter W and ends with the letter G.

As expected, you failed to walk the talk. You said you watch a lot of domestic cricket and you can come up with a lineup that can play like England has over the years.

I asked you to list the players, You wrote a lot but said nothing.

So I ask again - please list the players that can adopt the England template and succeed. Please list the batsmen that can put the type of scores England batsmen have put up and help and win a World Cup.

It is not a difficult question. If you thought no one would hold you accountable for making a statement and not backing it up, you thought wrong.

If you can’t name the lineup, I will be kind enough to offer you a chance to retract your statement and we can end this here.
 
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As expected, you failed to walk the talk. You said you watch a lot of domestic cricket and you can come up with a lineup that can play like England has over the years.

I asked you to list the players, you wrote a lot but said nothing.

So I ask again - please list the players that can adopt the England template and succeed. Please list the batsmen that can put the type of scores England batsmen have put up and help and win a World Cup.

It is not a difficult question. If you thought no one would hold you accountable for making a statement and not backing it up, you thought wrong.

If you can’t name the lineup, I will be kind enough to offer you a chance to retract your statement and we can end this here.

No statement will be retracted. It is 100% correct and accurate. 20+ years of watching the game and playing the game is the basis.

The statement is correct just like I was correct about:

-Fakhar Zaman being the first Pakistani batsman to score 200 in an ODI and to follow it up with a 180+ score

-Mohammad Rizwan is not a proper T20 opener

-Tim David was the player who should have played for MI and not Brevis

-Harris Rauf is a gun, world class bowler.

-Pat Cummins was a disastrous waste of money for KKR.

-Naseem Shah will come through as a world class fast bowler

These are some of the statements that come to mind and I have SCHOOLED you in my friend. Believe me, I will school you in this subject too.
 
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No statement will be retracted. It is 100% correct and accurate. 20+ years of watching the game and playing the game is the basis.

The statement is correct just like I was correct about:

-Fakhar Zaman being the first Pakistani batsman to score 200 in an ODI and to follow it up with a 180+ score

-Mohammad Rizwan is not a proper T20 opener

-Tim David was the player who should have played for MI and not Brevis

-Harris Rauf is a gun, world class bowler.

-Pat Cummins was a disastrous waste of money for KKR.

-Naseem Shah will come through as a world class fast bowler

These are some of the statements that come to mind and I have SCHOOLED you in my friend. Believe me, I will school you in this subject too.

And the breakdance continues.

I ask again. I ask for the third time: please list the names that you mentioned that can play the way England has over the years.

Why do you keep dancing around this simple question?
 
And the breakdance continues.

I ask again. I ask for the third time: please list the names that you mentioned that can play the way England has over the years.

Why do you keep dancing around this simple question?

Because it is you who are asking.
 
No statement will be retracted. It is 100% correct and accurate. 20+ years of watching the game and playing the game is the basis.

The statement is correct just like I was correct about:

-Fakhar Zaman being the first Pakistani batsman to score 200 in an ODI and to follow it up with a 180+ score

-Mohammad Rizwan is not a proper T20 opener

-Tim David was the player who should have played for MI and not Brevis

-Harris Rauf is a gun, world class bowler.

-Pat Cummins was a disastrous waste of money for KKR.

-Naseem Shah will come through as a world class fast bowler

These are some of the statements that come to mind and I have SCHOOLED you in my friend. Believe me, I will school you in this subject too.

I remember some of these predictions you made. Credit where due, they've all turned out to be correct so far.

The best picks were Rizwan and Tim David. I remember you being ridiculed for opposing Rizwan's position as a T20 opener and also for the non-selection of Tim David in favour of Brevis, which cost them an early exit in the IPL earlier this year.

If there was a Nostradamus of cricket on PP, it would be you. Your foresight is superb.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

After the loss to Sri Lanka in the final, I noticed you had claimed that the current batting line-up for Pakistan in T20s is the best we got because "there is no talent in Pakistan cricket". I don't disagree you with quality of the talent pool, we're certainly scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to finding new players.

Having said that, I will name a better T20 batting side for Pakistan. I'm not claiming they will score 200+ consistently nor do I think they're capable of scoring 400 in an ODI but it's much better than what we have now which is what matters at present.

Sharjeel Khan - a must for Australian conditions
Asif Ali
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman (last chance)
Haider Ali
Muhammad Nawaz
Shadab Khan
Muhammad Rizwan - only place where we can hide him. The reserve keepers are trash.
Pace bowler 1
Pace bowler 2
Pace bowler 3

Before you ridicule Sharjeel, he is a must for Australian conditions. He has a proven track record against Starc and Cummins in ODIs.

In terms of reserve players, you could add Imad Wasim if for e.g. Fakhar continues his bad run of form. The most suitable reserve accumulator would be Shan Masood.

This line-up would have had a more realistic opportunity of chasing down Sri Lanka's total in the Asia Cup final.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

After the loss to Sri Lanka in the final, I noticed you had claimed that the current batting line-up for Pakistan in T20s is the best we got because "there is no talent in Pakistan cricket". I don't disagree you with quality of the talent pool, we're certainly scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to finding new players.

Having said that, I will name a better T20 batting side for Pakistan. I'm not claiming they will score 200+ consistently nor do I think they're capable of scoring 400 in an ODI but it's much better than what we have now which is what matters at present.

Sharjeel Khan - a must for Australian conditions
Asif Ali
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman (last chance)
Haider Ali
Muhammad Nawaz
Shadab Khan
Muhammad Rizwan - only place where we can hide him. The reserve keepers are trash.
Pace bowler 1
Pace bowler 2
Pace bowler 3

Before you ridicule Sharjeel, he is a must for Australian conditions. He has a proven track record against Starc and Cummins in ODIs.

In terms of reserve players, you could add Imad Wasim if for e.g. Fakhar continues his bad run of form. The most suitable reserve accumulator would be Shan Masood.

This line-up would have had a more realistic opportunity of chasing down Sri Lanka's total in the Asia Cup final.

Although I may disagree with you on the position of Fakhar Zaman, who I recon is much better off opening with Sharjeel instead of batting at 4, I have to give you 10/10 for at least wanting to do the right thing and playing a side that will approach the innings in the correct way.

It is very easy to hide behind two risk free players and asking them to bat through for most of the innings in order to hide the inconsistent ones. It takes a lot of bravery however to deal with the challenge head on with the risk of failure, but still have all the bases covered for the right kind of result.

Pakistan since Misbah came into the fore have been taking the cowards way out. It has worked against the b string sides and the toss has helped them in the UAE to an extent. Also they were lucky to have Hafeez and Malik in the middle for them for a long time, they don’t have these luxuries anymore.
 
Because it is you who are asking.

No, because you didn't expect anyone to ask you to walk the talk and list the names. You don't have the names and now you are running away faster than Sharjeel does after a pizza.
 
I’m not a fan of Asif Ali but I do feel like he has lack of exposure. He gets one game in 5 to bat and expected to go straight away. I think he comes in too late.
 
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