Why does England always get away with their wild experiments but BCCI always received flak for IPL

[Bhaijaan]

The hypocrisy of world cricket diabolical.

IPL receives so much hate by English analysts and Pakistani fans for being a threat to cricket when they were the LAST board literally to brace T20s (started by England) and just make it better than everyone else's league through sheer display of hardwork and professionalism.

England on the other hand :-

1. Invents T20 cricket itself
2. Signs contract with crook Standford to play useless exhibition matches for millions of dollars in an attempt to change the way game is played
3. Comes up with this absurd idea of The 100 with different rules which will also challenge cricket as a game in the longer rub.

Also where is Michael Holding now? Does he have nothing to say about this.

Sky Sports team are so quiet about it.

All this is cool but IPL remains a pain in the bottom for these people.

No wonder modern day Indians do not give a damn about the outsiders.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Because it is India not any other country, in case of Pakistanis.
Every other country can invent things, but if India e.g goes to space they are polluting the space.

For Holding, well he is a hypocrite. He himself said in Documentary 'Fire in Babylon' that 30,000 AUD paid by Kerry Packer was a lot of money for him and he had is future and family to look forward to, rather than representing West Indies and his country. Now he admonishes players like Gayle/Pollard when they do the same thing.
That is what you call, a Hypocrite of the highest order.

 

[MenInG]

Think Indian fans taking it too personally.

IPL is criticised for the way it has thrown in money to make players make choices between national duties and IPL. Contrast with 100 where likes of Shadab and SSA have chosen national duty over playing 100.

Read the comments by many Pakistanis about 100 and you will see that opinion is divided. Just because it doesn't match yours doesn't make it invalid/suspicious.

I didn't see a collective outrage when T10 was brought in from Indian fans.

Only because 100 could at some point challenge IPL/BCCI hegemony is this an issue.

Best - you let 100 be for now.

Personally speaking, I don't see it challenging any existing format in the short term.

 

[gani999]

Think Indian fans taking it too personally.

IPL is criticised for the way it has thrown in money to make players make choices between national duties and IPL. Contrast with 100 where likes of Shadab and SSA have chosen national duty over playing 100.

Read the comments by many Pakistanis about 100 and you will see that opinion is divided. Just because it doesn't match yours doesn't make it invalid/suspicious.

I didn't see a collective outrage when T10 was brought in from Indian fans.

Only because 100 could at some point challenge IPL/BCCI hegemony is this an issue.

Best - you let 100 be for now.

Personally speaking, I don't see it challenging any existing format in the short term.

Whether it's 100 or 500, if it has anything to do with cricket it needs India more than India needs it. India is the world's largest market for cricket. England may have invented the T20 format but no points for guessing which T20 league is the richest in the world today.

Whether T10 or any other cricketing format, it will become a success if India and Indians lap it up, and will remain on the sidelines if India rejects it.

Now that may be a source of intense allergy for the English, some Pakistanis, Michael Holding and other India baiters, but the truth is what it is. They can either accept it or move on.

The OP shouldn't worry about India being criticised or the hyposcrisy of the world. Successful ventures and the people who drive them have always had critics. The criticism is, in fact, a tacit recognition of the success.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

OP is trolling as usual. The IPL is loved by the English commentators and is so much loved by the ICC that they have given it special status within the game.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Because BCCI embodies everything that's wrong with modern cricket. Especially the part where they politicize the great game and the evil backstabbing

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What an utterly deluded post. The BCCI can reserve a window for the IPL in the FTP, use it as a political tool against Pakistan and bully boards into sending its players for the IPL over national duty, but how dare anyone criticize the IPL and not the Hundred?

 

[Mamoon]

Most of the bitterness and jealously comes from Pakistanis because they cannot digest and cope with the fact that Indian cricket/BCCI has left Pakistan cricket/PCB in its dust in this millennium.

Until the 90s and early 2000s, both teams were on par with each other in terms of success, performances, stature in world cricket, finances, influence of their respective cricket boards etc., but BCCI completely turned the tables on PCB and shifted the balance of power for good with the emergence of IPL.

All PCB could do in return was to come up with a cheap imitation, a poor man’s IPL that is still struggling to attract world class players in their primes after 6 years.

The cricket rivalry between Pakistan and India turned into a complete mismatch both on and off the field, and the only thing our hapless fans can do is to compensate for their disappointment and bruised egos with constant criticism and vitriol.

 

[silentkiller187]

Once glance of twitter and you can see how much criticism hundred is getting, more so from actual england fans then anyone else. Skysports is paid to endorse the tournament its their flagship domestic show along with the BBC so why are they going to criticize it? any new cration will have its lovers and haters in all parts of the world, OP needs to relax and enjoy the game instead of taking it personally.

 

[silentkiller187]

Most of the bitterness and jealously comes from Pakistanis because they cannot digest and cope with the fact that Indian cricket/BCCI has left Pakistan cricket/PCB in its dust in this millennium.

Until the 90s and early 2000s, both teams were on par with each other in terms of success, performances, stature in world cricket, finances, influence of their respective cricket boards etc., but BCCI completely turned the tables on PCB and shifted the balance of power for good with the emergence of IPL.

All PCB could do in return was to come up with a cheap imitation, a poor man’s IPL that is still struggling to attract world class players in their primes after 6 years.

The cricket rivalry between Pakistan and India turned into a complete mismatch both on and off the field, and the only thing our hapless fans can do is to compensate for their disappointment and bruised egos with constant criticism and vitriol.

and where does your bitterness stem from, this is a post about ECB and IPL yet your rambling on about PSL again, give it a rest mate.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Whether it's 100 or 500, if it has anything to do with cricket it needs India more than India needs it. India is the world's largest market for cricket. England may have invented the T20 format but no points for guessing which T20 league is the richest in the world today.

Whether T10 or any other cricketing format, it will become a success if India and Indians lap it up, and will remain on the sidelines if India rejects it.

Now that may be a source of intense allergy for the English, some Pakistanis, Michael Holding and other India baiters, but the truth is what it is. They can either accept it or move on.

The OP shouldn't worry about India being criticised or the hyposcrisy of the world. Successful ventures and the people who drive them have always had critics. The criticism is, in fact, a tacit recognition of the success.

Yeah I don't buy this argument. India needs international cricket just as much to stay relevant.

India is already a virtual sporting backwater. Despite the massive population and huge amount of cash doled out to ventures like the Indian Super League or the Hockey India League, India is a joke in both football and hockey. Cricket is the one sport India can latch onto and confidently say they are great at.

Without international cricket all that will be left for India to celebrate will be the wins of their Kabaddi team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Most of the bitterness and jealously comes from Pakistanis because they cannot digest and cope with the fact that Indian cricket/BCCI has left Pakistan cricket/PCB in its dust in this millennium.

Until the 90s and early 2000s, both teams were on par with each other in terms of success, performances, stature in world cricket, finances, influence of their respective cricket boards etc., but BCCI completely turned the tables on PCB and shifted the balance of power for good with the emergence of IPL.

All PCB could do in return was to come up with a cheap imitation, a poor man’s IPL that is still struggling to attract world class players in their primes after 6 years.

The cricket rivalry between Pakistan and India turned into a complete mismatch both on and off the field, and the only thing our hapless fans can do is to compensate for their disappointment and bruised egos with constant criticism and vitriol.

I would suggest actually reading the title of the thread, next time you start rambling on about the same things you ramble on about 90% of the time.

 

[MenInG]

Most of the bitterness and jealously comes from Pakistanis because they cannot digest and cope with the fact that Indian cricket/BCCI has left Pakistan cricket/PCB in its dust in this millennium.

Until the 90s and early 2000s, both teams were on par with each other in terms of success, performances, stature in world cricket, finances, influence of their respective cricket boards etc., but BCCI completely turned the tables on PCB and shifted the balance of power for good with the emergence of IPL.

All PCB could do in return was to come up with a cheap imitation, a poor man’s IPL that is still struggling to attract world class players in their primes after 6 years.

The cricket rivalry between Pakistan and India turned into a complete mismatch both on and off the field, and the only thing our hapless fans can do is to compensate for their disappointment and bruised egos with constant criticism and vitriol.

Think you are conflicted.

I can see the issue here

On one hand, you need to somehow show PSL is inferior - but then you must also show IPL is superior to all others.

Tough times these.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Once glance of twitter and you can see how much criticism hundred is getting, more so from actual england fans then anyone else. Skysports is paid to endorse the tournament its their flagship domestic show along with the BBC so why are they going to criticize it? any new cration will have its lovers and haters in all parts of the world, OP needs to relax and enjoy the game instead of taking it personally.

There is no criticism of The 100 by Pakistan cricket fans who always find a reason to moan against IPL changing the cricket structure and all that.

Michael Holding has not said a word on it even though he considered himself a self appointed guardian of purest form of Cricket.

Nothing from Botham either.

Why can't Pakistani fans, Holding, Botham keep it real when it comes to England and it's game altering wild experiments. What credibility do they have left for this visible bias?

 

[Babbar]

India is already a virtual sporting backwater. Despite the massive population and huge amount of cash doled out to ventures like the Indian Super League or the Hockey India League, India is a joke in both football and hockey. Cricket is the one sport India can latch onto and confidently say they are great at.

Without international cricket all that will be left for India to celebrate will be the wins of their Kabaddi team.

Indian football league is pathetic, not even in top 50 so don’t expect anything from it. English county school girls team can beat India.

However, Indian hockey team is ranked four, has recently beaten Argentina, Holland, Belgium, Germany in their own grounds. This is the highest rank Indian hockey has achieved in the last 40 years and a strong medal prospect in Tokyo. Diff between Indian (#4) and Pak (#18) in Hockey is more than that in cricket. Any Ind-Pak match is expected to have a score line of 4-0, 5-1, 6-1 these days. India is playing the best hockey in ever played in the last two generations.

 

[globalcitizen]

It's just hypocrisy and jealousy of other nations to criticise the IPL for everything bad happening in cricket world. Every other leagues Big bash, bpl, psl, slpl is feeding off IPL format.

And It's utter bonkers this is even played to full crowds with 60000 active cases in UK. Something is going to give.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most of the bitterness and jealously comes from Pakistanis because they cannot digest and cope with the fact that Indian cricket/BCCI has left Pakistan cricket/PCB in its dust in this millennium.

Until the 90s and early 2000s, both teams were on par with each other in terms of success, performances, stature in world cricket, finances, influence of their respective cricket boards etc., but BCCI completely turned the tables on PCB and shifted the balance of power for good with the emergence of IPL.

All PCB could do in return was to come up with a cheap imitation, a poor man’s IPL that is still struggling to attract world class players in their primes after 6 years.

The cricket rivalry between Pakistan and India turned into a complete mismatch both on and off the field, and the only thing our hapless fans can do is to compensate for their disappointment and bruised egos with constant criticism and vitriol.

As an ICF, I fully understand the hate from PCF because at some point we Indians reciprocate to. That dies not bother me.

But the hypocrisy does.

Pakistani fans hold BCCI responsible for everything wrong with Cricket but turn a blind eye to England not giving two hoots about where the game is going all because England tine to time keeps giving them the lolipop of a Cricket series.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Once glance of twitter and you can see how much criticism hundred is getting, more so from actual england fans then anyone else. Skysports is paid to endorse the tournament its their flagship domestic show along with the BBC so why are they going to criticize it? any new cration will have its lovers and haters in all parts of the world, OP needs to relax and enjoy the game instead of taking it personally.

Of course it should receive criticism for changing thr way the game is played.

My point being what credibility do people like Holding, Botham have now for their silence who for years have been moaning IPL's impact on world cricket.

Unless there is any restrictive ruling from ICC, BCCI can creste dozens of such imitations of shorter white ball cricket and make it a 100 times more watched and profitable. There's no stopping but for the record India was literally the last major nation to embrace T20s. We sent a team with hardly any T20 experience to inaugural WC in 2007 when everyone else had played dozens of T20s and we won it and rest is history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What an utterly deluded post. The BCCI can reserve a window for the IPL in the FTP, use it as a political tool against Pakistan and bully boards into sending its players for the IPL over national duty, but how dare anyone criticize the IPL and not the Hundred?

Why are pakistanis so upset that they are not allowed in the IPL?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah I don't buy this argument. India needs international cricket just as much to stay relevant.

India is already a virtual sporting backwater. Despite the massive population and huge amount of cash doled out to ventures like the Indian Super League or the Hockey India League, India is a joke in both football and hockey. Cricket is the one sport India can latch onto and confidently say they are great at.

Without international cricket all that will be left for India to celebrate will be the wins of their Kabaddi team.

India can do a packer at a much larger scale. ICC virtually runs on Indian money.

India is poor in football, because its a niche game in India and only in last 5-6 years money has been poured into it.

But in hockey India is a top 5 nation. May be you confused pakistan's ranking with India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It is because of England's inventions and experiments BCCI is able to make money today. What experiments has BCCI done to improve cricket? They just copied and pasted this league idea from ICL and added glamour on top of it to attract indian viewers. All IPL has given to cricket is bunch of cheerleaders who can be seen in th stadium, commentary box and online forums.

 

[TheNeutralist]

People leaving their countries to play for England counties for money is not a problem, creating T20/100 is not a problem. But when IPL is a hit its a question of cricket losing soul and so many bitter comments.

I guess its just that BCCI are able to mint money and other boards are not able to do the same, nothing else to look into. Its all about money and fame.

BCCI is not a saint, needs to be criticised for sure but not on this. And well ECB is never criticised on this.

 

[Rajdeep]

Though I dont like adding another format to cricket and not a fan of hundred but it has generated good interest here in UK. Even people who are not a regular follower of cricket is showing interest on this tournament. Sky Sports is also doing everything possible to promote and generate interest for cricket again in this country via this hundred tournament. So from that perspective hope it succeeds.

OP is needlessly getting agitated as it has no bearing on IPL. Daddy league will always remain the most coveted T20 tournament on planet green earth - hundred or no hundred.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India can do a packer at a much larger scale. ICC virtually runs on Indian money.

India is poor in football, because its a niche game in India and only in last 5-6 years money has been poured into it.

But in hockey India is a top 5 nation. May be you confused pakistan's ranking with India.

India can do that. But at the end of the day it will just feed their ego. And deep down they will know its not the same as international cricket.

I admit I was wrong on India being a joke in hockey. But the point of India being a virtual sporting backwater still stands.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Indian football league is pathetic, not even in top 50 so don’t expect anything from it. English county school girls team can beat India.

However, Indian hockey team is ranked four, has recently beaten Argentina, Holland, Belgium, Germany in their own grounds. This is the highest rank Indian hockey has achieved in the last 40 years and a strong medal prospect in Tokyo. Diff between Indian (#4) and Pak (#18) in Hockey is more than that in cricket. Any Ind-Pak match is expected to have a score line of 4-0, 5-1, 6-1 these days. India is playing the best hockey in ever played in the last two generations.

My bad. Point taken.

However, at the end of day India is still a sporting backwater.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why are pakistanis so upset that they are not allowed in the IPL?

Well I can't speak for all Pakistanis, I can only speak for myself.

For me, it has less to do with Pakistanis not being able to play in the IPL, and more to do with the use of cricket as a political tool. Which is frankly an abhorrent exercise practiced by India only.

 

[Babbar]

My bad. Point taken.

However, at the end of day India is still a sporting backwater.

Agreed! India is pathetic in sports! Hoping that India gets more than 3-4 medal this Olympics. Way way way behind China and even small Euro countries.

 

[Babbar]

The whole cricketing and sports world did this against South Africa for decades. The whole Muslim world still does this against Israel. The West did the same against Russia and vice versa. That’s life!

Pakistan would have done the same if it was a net contributor to cricket finances and India a net taker.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well I can't speak for all Pakistanis, I can only speak for myself.

For me, it has less to do with Pakistanis not being able to play in the IPL, and more to do with the use of cricket as a political tool. Which is frankly an abhorrent exercise practiced by India only.

When Pakistan boycotted the 1990 Asia cup and subsequent Indian tours, what was that?

Why did pakistan boycott the Moscow Olympics?

Why does pakistan boycott Israel?

Pakistanis are not welcome in India except in a few cases. that's the policy of the government of India, and it can be seen in sports, movies, music in almost all fields.

Pakistan and India are inimical to each other. Thats the truth.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

When Pakistan boycotted the 1990 Asia cup and subsequent Indian tours, what was that?

Why did pakistan boycott the Moscow Olympics?

Why does pakistan boycott Israel?

Pakistanis are not welcome in India except in a few cases. that's the policy of the government of India, and it can be seen in sports, movies, music in almost all fields.

Pakistan and India are inimical to each other. Thats the truth.

LOL one example from 30 years ago. I'm talking about the present. And even that was a detestable thing for Pakistan to do.

And how convenient for you to reiterate the same line that everyone from India utters like a parrot. "Its the policy of the government of India", and how dare anyone question or criticize the official line of the government?

 

[Babbar]

So when is Pakistan inviting an Israeli sports team or its wrestling team going to Tel Aviv?

India does not boycott any other country, not even Turkey & China that are historic rivals and enemies of India. Pakistan must have done something really notable to be awarded such privilege.

 

[mastimasti]

The hypocrisy of world cricket diabolical.

IPL receives so much hate by English analysts and Pakistani fans for being a threat to cricket when they were the LAST board literally to brace T20s (started by England) and just make it better than everyone else's league through sheer display of hardwork and professionalism.

England on the other hand :-

1. Invents T20 cricket itself
2. Signs contract with crook Standford to play useless exhibition matches for millions of dollars in an attempt to change the way game is played
3. Comes up with this absurd idea of The 100 with different rules which will also challenge cricket as a game in the longer rub.

Also where is Michael Holding now? Does he have nothing to say about this.

Sky Sports team are so quiet about it.

All this is cool but IPL remains a pain in the bottom for these people.

No wonder modern day Indians do not give a damn about the outsiders.

Have you actually watched the sport news? The English press buried the ECB following the Stafford debacle and it has been overly negative when it comes to the hundred yet again. However in a summer of restricted sport fans are in a wait and let's see what happens phase.
You just have to gt over your inferiority complex.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Yeah I don't buy this argument. India needs international cricket just as much to stay relevant.

India is already a virtual sporting backwater. Despite the massive population and huge amount of cash doled out to ventures like the Indian Super League or the Hockey India League, India is a joke in both football and hockey. Cricket is the one sport India can latch onto and confidently say they are great at.

Without international cricket all that will be left for India to celebrate will be the wins of their Kabaddi team.

Hmmm...You might want to check the medals table at the most recent commonwealth games where we trumped a sporting giant like Canada, and whilst at it the most recent asian games as well.
Any ways, back to the point - am not interested in a points scoring one upmanship, let's leave it to the other sites, especially the Indian sites, and this I say as an Indian.
But 'sporting backwater'? Bit of a long bow to draw mate. Amongst gazillion of others, Vishwanathan Anand and Leander Paes - gave us a lot of cheer.
Coming to the hundred, maybe there exists a market for this and obviously the ECB have thought to exploit it and I seriously doubt it needs the blessings or the advocacy of India to be successful, but then why bring India in every dot and comma?
Speaking for myself I am a test traditionalist and for me test cricket is my pure poison. I cant remember who did what in the bombay bagsnatchers playing the Christchurch Canlifters or whatever they are called half an hour after the game. It is all a haze of paint spill inspired uniforms and screeching commies but hey at the end of the day it has a market.
Lets respect it for what it is, maybe this is the future and maybe all the formats exist side by side

 

[OMB]

Stay on thread topic.
Remind you that it is ECB's Hundred and BCCI's IPL

 

[silentkiller187]

Of course it should receive criticism for changing thr way the game is played.

My point being what credibility do people like Holding, Botham have now for their silence who for years have been moaning IPL's impact on world cricket.

Unless there is any restrictive ruling from ICC, BCCI can creste dozens of such imitations of shorter white ball cricket and make it a 100 times more watched and profitable. There's no stopping but for the record India was literally the last major nation to embrace T20s. We sent a team with hardly any T20 experience to inaugural WC in 2007 when everyone else had played dozens of T20s and we won it and rest is history.

Botham doesn't hold much credibility prior to Hundred/IPL anyway don't worry, and holding im sure if you ask for his opinion he will give it.

India can do as they please i still don't quite understand the point your trying to make.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People leaving their countries to play for England counties for money is not a problem, creating T20/100 is not a problem. But when IPL is a hit its a question of cricket losing soul and so many bitter comments.

I guess its just that BCCI are able to mint money and other boards are not able to do the same, nothing else to look into. Its all about money and fame.

BCCI is not a saint, needs to be criticised for sure but not on this. And well ECB is never criticised on this.

Yes, I forgot to add the poaching / Kolpac point which is also totally valid to this discussion.

PCFs have much to answer for their deafening silence on game altering antics of Englan as opposed to their constant whinging against BCCI.

When did the last time Australia and England tour Pakistan.

India toured like 3 times within 4 years when things were slightly better in 2000s.

 

[OMB]

Yes, I forgot to add the poaching / Kolpac point which is also totally valid to this discussion.

PCFs have much to answer for their deafening silence on game altering antics of Englan as opposed to their constant whinging against BCCI.

When did the last time Australia and England tour Pakistan.

India toured like 3 times within 4 years when things were slightly better in 2000s.

Will be visiting now

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian never gets is due respect for everything we have always done for this game and shall continue to do so.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Will be visiting now

After how many decades?

Why are expectations different from India and Australia.

Why PCFs never complained about no tour from Australia in 2 decades. But only against India who we all know have a different political reason that everybody is aware of.

Why the double standards?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

So when is Pakistan inviting an Israeli sports team or its wrestling team going to Tel Aviv?

India does not boycott any other country, not even Turkey & China that are historic rivals and enemies of India. Pakistan must have done something really notable to be awarded such privilege.

Forefathers of Pakistan (and India) have had a clear policy towards Israel since 1800s.

BCCI does whatever it suits them. Why not put their mouth where there money is, why do India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, or field hockey or even Kabaddi?

It is called hypocrisy and malign intentions.

 

[OMB]

Yes, I forgot to add the poaching / Kolpac point which is also totally valid to this discussion.

PCFs have much to answer for their deafening silence on game altering antics of Englan as opposed to their constant whinging against BCCI.

When did the last time Australia and England tour Pakistan.

India toured like 3 times within 4 years when things were slightly better in 2000s.

Will be visiting now

 

[Titan24]

I am not sure how it is that hard to understand the difference as some are making it out to be.

As one of the Pak fans let me explain.

IPL has a separate window (Of course unofficially) in international cricket calendar which means unless the non IPL playing nations play a series or so at that time, there is nothing to watch for a cricket fan in that window if they dont want to watch a 1.5, 2 months long T20 league called IPL (Mind you they are trying to make the window even bigger).

Further lets take examples of recent few series and IPL’s impact on them. Few SA players playing whiteball series against Pak where their own board was earning money and these players were representing their national teams, they opted out of that for IPL. Few Aus players are not touring WI as well as possibly BD because they were fatigued by IPL and bubbles. Eng kept shuffling their players on India tour because of IPL and then just after that rested some of their players for home test series against NZ as well (Nz was able to beat them convincingly).

This was to mention the basic issue with IPL which is its impact on international cricket and cricket calendar.

On the other what exactly has the hundred done? Tried to create a new format for their league (For which they have already got fair share of criticism), I guess that’s about it. I dont see Eng players pulling out of Eng test squad vs Ind to play in that and I am also not seeing ECB asking ICC and other boards for a separate window for their biggest white ball tournament till now. Irrespective of whether anyone like the new format or not, tournament is not directly impacting international cricket in any way.

So the scale and nature of impact is completely different. No one hates IPL, yes some like watching it and others dont. Negative sentiment is mainly towards its impact on the international cricket more than anything else.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah I too don't understand why Pakistani fans hate the Indian Premier League and the Board of Cricket Control in India. Just can't wrap my head around it.

English analysts don't really hate or criticise IPL much. Dunno where you got that from.

 

[mastimasti]

The hypocrisy of world cricket diabolical.

IPL receives so much hate by English analysts and Pakistani fans for being a threat to cricket when they were the LAST board literally to brace T20s (started by England) and just make it better than everyone else's league through sheer display of hardwork and professionalism.

England on the other hand :-

1. Invents T20 cricket itself
2. Signs contract with crook Standford to play useless exhibition matches for millions of dollars in an attempt to change the way game is played
3. Comes up with this absurd idea of The 100 with different rules which will also challenge cricket as a game in the longer rub.

Also where is Michael Holding now? Does he have nothing to say about this.

Sky Sports team are so quiet about it.

All this is cool but IPL remains a pain in the bottom for these people.

No wonder modern day Indians do not give a damn about the outsiders.

Indian never gets is due respect for everything we have always done for this game and shall continue to do so.

So you conveniently ignore posts you don't like? Hahaha

 

[Hitman]

Will be visiting now

We'll see it when it happens.

 

[sharmaji]

I find the Hundred not very innovative. It feels just like a T20. I don't understand the hype. And how is it supposed to bring in new audiences? As in, what aspect of it "simplifies" cricket and makes it easier to understand and more exciting to watch for the young audiences? I think T20 leagues are here to stay (IPL and PSL will thrive, while BBL, SLPL, BDPL and CPL will fade away).

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Hmmm...You might want to check the medals table at the most recent commonwealth games where we trumped a sporting giant like Canada, and whilst at it the most recent asian games as well.
Any ways, back to the point - am not interested in a points scoring one upmanship, let's leave it to the other sites, especially the Indian sites, and this I say as an Indian.
But 'sporting backwater'? Bit of a long bow to draw mate. Amongst gazillion of others, Vishwanathan Anand and Leander Paes - gave us a lot of cheer.
Coming to the hundred, maybe there exists a market for this and obviously the ECB have thought to exploit it and I seriously doubt it needs the blessings or the advocacy of India to be successful, but then why bring India in every dot and comma?
Speaking for myself I am a test traditionalist and for me test cricket is my pure poison. I cant remember who did what in the bombay bagsnatchers playing the Christchurch Canlifters or whatever they are called half an hour after the game. It is all a haze of paint spill inspired uniforms and screeching commies but hey at the end of the day it has a market.
Lets respect it for what it is, maybe this is the future and maybe all the formats exist side by side

I have no interest in indulging in a Hundred vs. IPL debate, nor in one about how poor India is in nearly every sport in the world. The comment was in-response to OP's utterly deluded comment that cricket needs India more than India needs cricket.

 

[U$ofA]

What an utterly deluded post. The BCCI can reserve a window for the IPL in the FTP, use it as a political tool against Pakistan and bully boards into sending its players for the IPL over national duty, but how dare anyone criticize the IPL and not the Hundred?

How did you conclude this? I am sure this is controlled by the ICC. Not the BCCI.

 

[Ashmal]

Because the ECB hasn't hijacked the FTP window for the Hundred unlike the BCCI who discriminatory and bully other boards into sending their best players thus diluting the international cricket quality......if and when ECB does the above, pretty sure they will be criticised too.

And I didn't see Holding praising the Hundred, so where's the hypocrisy.....he has been a constant critic of all T20 cricket not just IPL, India fans should just move on from him.

 

[U$ofA]

Think Indian fans taking it too personally.

IPL is criticised for the way it has thrown in money to make players make choices between national duties and IPL. Contrast with 100 where likes of Shadab and SSA have chosen national duty over playing 100.

Read the comments by many Pakistanis about 100 and you will see that opinion is divided. Just because it doesn't match yours doesn't make it invalid/suspicious.

I didn't see a collective outrage when T10 was brought in from Indian fans.

Only because 100 could at some point challenge IPL/BCCI hegemony is this an issue.

Best - you let 100 be for now.

Personally speaking, I don't see it challenging any existing format in the short term.

IPL is merely paying the market value in the IPL. Freedom of choice on all sides. The free market at work. I do not see anything wrong with that. That is how things should be. Freedom over force.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How did you conclude this? I am sure this is controlled by the ICC. Not the BCCI.

ICC is controlled by BCCI. What are you even talking about?

Do you think the ICC, a body tasked with running international cricket has any logical reason to make room in its calendar for a domestic T20 league that benefits only one board?

 

[Ashmal]

When Pakistan boycotted the 1990 Asia cup and subsequent Indian tours, what was that?

Why did pakistan boycott the Moscow Olympics?

Why does pakistan boycott Israel?

Pakistanis are not welcome in India except in a few cases. that's the policy of the government of India, and it can be seen in sports, movies, music in almost all fields.

Pakistan and India are inimical to each other. Thats the truth.

But why can't India remain consistent on this....why does it go out of window in ICC events

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Indian posters can keep singing the praises of their favorite board all they want. It won't change the fact that BCCI is the 'evil empire': a hegemon that seeks to dominate cricket and promote its own interests, usually at the expense of others. And especially at the expense of international cricket in general.

It is utterly laughable that people here are talking about how much BCCI does for international cricket when it has the single biggest hand in turning international cricket administration into an oligarchy.

And I'm fairly certain that the BCCI is detested by most of the cricketing world for its regular bullying tactics, even if those boards or the individuals within their board may not admit it openly.

 

[U$ofA]

ICC is controlled by BCCI. What are you even talking about?

Do you think the ICC, a body tasked with running international cricket has any logical reason to make room in its calendar for a domestic T20 league that benefits only one board?

Then the problem is the ICC and it's selfishness, greed, incompetence and dare I say corruption.

 

[U$ofA]

Indian posters can keep singing the praises of their favorite board all they want. It won't change the fact that BCCI is the 'evil empire': a hegemon that seeks to dominate cricket and promote its own interests, usually at the expense of others. And especially at the expense of international cricket in general.

It is utterly laughable that people here are talking about how much BCCI does for international cricket when it has the single biggest hand in turning international cricket administration into an oligarchy.

And I'm fairly certain that the BCCI is detested by most of the cricketing world for its regular bullying tactics, even if those boards or the individuals within their board may not admit it openly.

Are you accusing the other boards and/or individuals of being selfish and greedy and putting $$$ above everything?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Are you accusing the other boards and/or individuals of being selfish and greedy and putting $$$ above everything?

Unfortunately not everyone can afford putting values above money. CSA being one very good example. Because survival ends up becoming much more important than pride.

As a result they have no choice but to cow down to the biggest bully on the block.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Indian posters can keep singing the praises of their favorite board all they want. It won't change the fact that BCCI is the 'evil empire': a hegemon that seeks to dominate cricket and promote its own interests, usually at the expense of others. And especially at the expense of international cricket in general.

It is utterly laughable that people here are talking about how much BCCI does for international cricket when it has the single biggest hand in turning international cricket administration into an oligarchy.

And I'm fairly certain that the BCCI is detested by most of the cricketing world for its regular bullying tactics, even if those boards or the individuals within their board may not admit it openly.

Yeah, the same old saazish theology yatiyatiyah, and everyone and their aunt is to blame for whatever is displayed on the rankings in any sport of any tournament or any competition world wide, except taking a good look in the mirror at thy self....

 

[U$ofA]

Unfortunately not everyone can afford putting values above money. CSA being one very good example. Because survival ends up becoming much more important than pride.

As a result they have no choice but to cow down to the biggest bully on the block.

I understand what you are saying. But this puts the onus on the those boards not the BCCI's problem.

The real world is the real world.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yeah, the same old saazish theology yatiyatiyah, and everyone and their aunt is to blame for whatever is displayed on the rankings in any sport of any tournament or any competition world wide, except taking a good look in the mirror at thy self....

Your thinly veiled retorts mean absolutely nothing here. Be clear or don't bother responding at all.

This is not about rankings or how good one team is or isn't. This is about turning the sport of cricket into your personal playhouse.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I understand what you are saying. But this puts the onus on the those boards not the BCCI's problem.

The real world is the real world.

BCCI runs the ICC. Therefore it has the responsibility to protect and advance the future of the sport. Something it won't do since that would mean less money to fill the coffers.

 

[U$ofA]

BCCI runs the ICC. Therefore it has the responsibility to protect and advance the future of the sport. Something it won't do since that would mean less money to fill the coffers.

Then what is the role of the ICC? What do they do?

 

[Cric_lover4487]

BCCI runs the ICC. Therefore it has the responsibility to protect and advance the future of the sport. Something it won't do since that would mean less money to fill the coffers.

I doubt you would say the same thing if PCB was powerful like BCCI. Just admit that all cricket boards are there for their own financial benefits. No one is a saint. Money matters.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Your thinly veiled retorts mean absolutely nothing here. Be clear or don't bother responding at all.

This is not about rankings or how good one team is or isn't. This is about turning the sport of cricket into your personal playhouse.

I am not a fan of them BCCI cement heads at all, I wish they could do more for spreading the game and more evenly.
i definately wish they were more transperent in the dealings and announcements.
And to be fair to BCCI from 2008 onwards, they had a massive correct point about the DRS and the like which has been proven with about 100 overhauls of that particular system but everyone and their aunt saw it fit to put the boot in, at least on the matter of drs - am just giving this as an example.
But to blanket BCCI as the one single cause to be responsible for everything wrong with the game is pathetic stereotyping and turning the sport into 'personal playhouse' is way off the mark....

if that was really the case, india would be winning every WC on offer....did we?
So by that reckoning of bcci being the evil empire etc, you should be a die hard fan of 'the hundred ' or whatever its called just because it does not have the BCCI's advocacy....
frankly, there is a massive chip on certain shoulders re bCCI or perhaps by extension India, high time to get off that with some more objective criticism....

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I doubt you would say the same thing if PCB was powerful like BCCI. Just admit that all cricket boards are there for their own financial benefits. No one is a saint. Money matters.

I admit BCCI are there for their own financial benefits. No one in BCCI is a saint. Money matters to them...ALOT.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I admit BCCI are there for their own financial benefits. No one in BCCI is a saint. Money matters to them...ALOT.

Yes and money doesn't matter to PCB at all. Lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL one example from 30 years ago. I'm talking about the present. And even that was a detestable thing for Pakistan to do.

And how convenient for you to reiterate the same line that everyone from India utters like a parrot. "Its the policy of the government of India", and how dare anyone question or criticize the official line of the government?

Because PCB and Pakistan are not in a position to boycott India. Else they would have tried. The trickery by PCB to stop its players from 2009 IPL still haunts the PCB.

If Indians don't have any issue with the government's policy, how does it matter to a foreigner?

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI runs the ICC. Therefore it has the responsibility to protect and advance the future of the sport. Something it won't do since that would mean less money to fill the coffers.

BCCI doesn't run the ICC. BCCI has responsibility towards Indian cricket.

Its not BCCI's responsibility to put food in the plates of other boards.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC is controlled by BCCI. What are you even talking about?

Do you think the ICC, a body tasked with running international cricket has any logical reason to make room in its calendar for a domestic T20 league that benefits only one board?

The reason is majority of the boards want that window. If most boards didn't, they would be playing.

Just because pakistanis dont want it, doesn't mean it wont exist.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I am not a fan of them BCCI cement heads at all, I wish they could do more for spreading the game and more evenly.
i definately wish they were more transperent in the dealings and announcements.
And to be fair to BCCI from 2008 onwards, they had a massive correct point about the DRS and the like which has been proven with about 100 overhauls of that particular system but everyone and their aunt saw it fit to put the boot in, at least on the matter of drs - am just giving this as an example.
But to blanket BCCI as the one single cause to be responsible for everything wrong with the game is pathetic stereotyping and turning the sport into 'personal playhouse' is way off the mark....

if that was really the case, india would be winning every WC on offer....did we?
So by that reckoning of bcci being the evil empire etc, you should be a die hard fan of 'the hundred ' or whatever its called just because it does not have the BCCI's advocacy....
frankly, there is a massive chip on certain shoulders re bCCI or perhaps by extension India, high time to get off that with some more objective criticism....

I appreciate the thoughtful response. Atleast you have the decency to admit that BCCI are not the pious do-gooders that all the Indian posters here seem to think they are. And the rampant corruption within that was laid bare in The Death of A Gentleman does exist.

Unfortunately though we will have to agree to disagree. You may consider my stance extreme and you may even be right in saying that BCCI is not to blame for everything wrong in international cricket. But you need to understand that my frustration comes not because 'India is running international cricket and Pakistan is not' but rather because of the fact that BCCI has the most power, influence and sway in running the international game. And therefore have the biggest responsibility to bear for all the things you mentioned in the first few lines of your response.

But as bad as that is the tipping point for me is the bullying of boards and politicization of the game whenever it suits them...something that makes them come across as a sleazy gangster to anyone who isn't Indian. They aren't even consistent in their stance towards Pakistan which illustrates the level of hypocrisy at play because if they were they wouldn't play Pakistan in any tournament.

As far as the personal playhouse part goes, its a fairly well-established fact that India only really cares about playing series against England and Australia that provide it with the most money. It has a window reserved on the FTP program of international cricket for its domestic T20 league and it was only a few months ago that Ganguly was talking about introducing an ICC branded ODI tournament that would feature India, Australia, England and one more team. Also, remind me how many matches has India played with Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Ireland in the last decade? Bangladesh isn't even as small as those other boards and yet it is still treated like a dreaded step-child, something evident by the fact that Bangladesh had to wait till 2017 to play their first ever test in India.

 

[silentkiller187]

Then what is the role of the ICC? What do they do?

ICC are swayed by the biggest revenue stream simple as that, india has billions of people living there, they are the main customers therefore they have the right to influencing a lot of the top decisions being made, its al politics , one a new market or markets open up then you will see how quickly ICC change their opinions on BCCCI

 

[U$ofA]

The reason is majority of the boards want that window. If most boards didn't, they would be playing.

Just because pakistanis dont want it, doesn't mean it wont exist.

I agree. BCCI is responsible for Indian cricket. The same applies to all other boards. They are responsible for their own cricket. All the advancement of cricket et all is ICC's responsibility.

 

[U$ofA]

ICC are swayed by the biggest revenue stream simple as that, india has billions of people living there, they are the main customers therefore they have the right to influencing a lot of the top decisions being made, its al politics , one a new market or markets open up then you will see how quickly ICC change their opinions on BCCCI

Still doesn't answer - What does the ICC do?

How can a new market be developed? Who needs to act? Is this the job of the ICC?

 

[silentkiller187]

Still doesn't answer - What does the ICC do?

How can a new market be developed? Who needs to act? Is this the job of the ICC?

When you have the biggest team refusing to play certain teams, refusing to tour certain places, making players choose between club vs country to satisfy a few bollywood stars, its pretty much impossible to develop a new market.

Cricket is the only sport with a structure as it is, FTP is a joke , the ICC are just banking the money being thrown at them by BCCI, previously it was the money from AUS and ENG. I'm not having a go at india like I said they are the biggest customers at the moment so its all relative, would you say ICC treats all markets and boards consistently?

 

[U$ofA]

When you have the biggest team refusing to play certain teams, refusing to tour certain places, making players choose between club vs country to satisfy a few bollywood stars, its pretty much impossible to develop a new market.

Cricket is the only sport with a structure as it is, FTP is a joke , the ICC are just banking the money being thrown at them by BCCI, previously it was the money from AUS and ENG. I'm not having a go at india like I said they are the biggest customers at the moment so its all relative, would you say ICC treats all markets and boards consistently?

The finger points again to the ICC. Nowhere else.

It looks like the ICC has been incompetent since....for ever. Yet there continues to be whole lot of people in its payroll. From the Chairman, vice-chairman, CEO etc. I am sure with fat paychecks to go with the title.

Why are they being employed? What do they do? If they are just collecting paychecks and not doing anything, why are all the boards not questioning anything?

Someone has to take action if things need to change.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] You can keep making this about Pakistan vs. India all you want. But if you actually bothered to read my posts without your nationalist 3D glasses on, you would know that this isn't about Pakistan. Pakistan is only one small point among a much larger set of points.

Now I'm not gonna bother repeating everything I have already said because frankly its a waste of time and energy. But just don't expect people who aren't Indian to laud the BCCI as the savior of cricket and not the sleazy gangster/mob boss that it actually is.

 

[silentkiller187]

The finger points again to the ICC. Nowhere else.

It looks like the ICC has been incompetent since....for ever. Yet there continues to be whole lot of people in its payroll. From the Chairman, vice-chairman, CEO etc. I am sure with fat paychecks to go with the title.

Why are they being employed? What do they do? If they are just collecting paychecks and not doing anything, why are all the boards not questioning anything?

Someone has to take action if things need to change.

Yes exactly, im not blaming BCCI for one second for taking advantage of the situation, like you said ICC are available to the highest bidder .

Boards can either conform, and receive a few handouts her and there, or they can speak up and probably face bankruptcy, its an unfortunate cycle .

The finger is being pointed at ICC , as to why they allow this to happen in the first place, but greed of some boars which unfortunately does include india will not allow for change. Because then you have to condense and split revenue to more stakeholders, the big cats get a smaller share of the pie.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Forefathers of Pakistan (and India) have had a clear policy towards Israel since 1800s.

BCCI does whatever it suits them. Why not put their mouth where there money is, why do India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, or field hockey or even Kabaddi?

It is called hypocrisy and malign intentions.

I never understood this either. This is indeed pure hypocrisy from BCCI and also some fans who enjoy watching these matches.

 

[Bewal Express]

Each country has every right to create its formats for its markets. The fact is that all formats started in England and the Indians like everyone else have just copied them. Lets see Ind come up with something original rather than just moan

 

[street cricketer]

You have to understand why the ECB came up with the Hundred idea. Contrary to the traditionalist perceptions one could possibly derive from the meticulously well dressed geriatric MCC members in the Lord's members stand, the ECB has always been forerunner in inventing new formats in cricket. It invented the ODI format after which it became popular and the entire world adopted it. It also invented the T20 format when the world dismissed the idea as a silly gimmick, just like how they had done when the ODI format was invented years ago. But after the 2007 T20 WC win, the BCCI took and ran away with ECB's idea of T20 cricket by creating the IPL, after which they have never looked back.

The IPL has grown in stature year after year, almost consuming cricket with it, at the same time bringing huge revenues to fill the coffers of the BCCI. Australia created the BBL and that has been beneficial to CA too. But the ECB has never really managed to take the popularity of their T20 competition to the same level of the IPL or even the BBL for that matter. One of the key reasons why that didn't happen was because of the fact that the BCCI introduced glitz and glamour filled entertainment to cricket with huge Bollywood stars involving itself with cricket. And the presence of teams named major cities brought with it their own inter city rivalries. The BBL did the same by naming their teams after popular cities. Meanwhile the teams in the T20 blast were named after their respective counties like Lancashire, Derbyshire, Gloucestershire, Middlesex, etc., which simply didn't bring the same excitement to the T20 blast as the IPL had.

The ECB realised this and created a new format altogether which would have all the exciting things that worked for the IPL - teams named after cities/regions or even stadiums to distinguish teams from the same cities and organising in stadium concerts with pop stars to engage the younger audience which is really what the Hundred is targeted at. It is targeted at people who previously may have thought cricket was a boring chore played in front of empty stands, to engage them and supposedly bring them into the fold of cricket. And to make it even more interesting for these new fans of cricket, the ECB has shortened the game even more than T20 cricket so that it can compete with the IPL in terms of popularity. But India, with its gigantic fan base in cricket, will always be the center of the cricketing world and therefore if the BCCI decides to run away with this idea as well, the new Indian competition styled on the Hundred will end up eclipsing the Hundred, although I doubt it's going to happen. This is an interesting time when the ECB is testing out a novel idea in cricket and we don't know yet if this will be a runaway hit or a flop as we were when T20 cricket was invented. I personally think this could work in the olympics and could potentially popularise the game in the non cricket playing nations, given even a normal T20 game is too long for a German or an American.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Each country has every right to create its formats for its markets. The fact is that all formats started in England and the Indians like everyone else have just copied them. Lets see Ind come up with something original rather than just moan

We are good at copying stuff. I am sure you know that pretty well. If The Hundred gets any success we will be the first ones to copy that as well. As I said earlier, we never experiment and invent in cricket, it is England's job to do that. If some experiments don't work they will be the first ones to get rid off them.