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Why does Hasan Ali get so many wickets?

He is intelligent, fit, athletic and has the ideal demeanor for a fast bowler. In many ways, the polar opposite of Rahat Ali.
 
Have to give him one more year and see how he performs.

To me Hasan Ali is like Abdul Razaq. Razaq used to bowl in 130's with his fast surprise ball in 140's. Razaq also used to get massive reverse swing. Remember watching Razaq in Sharjah against Srilanka . He was unplayable .

Most bowlers usually get figured out in a couple of years. Hasan Ali is still a bud. If he can maintain this for another year or two, he will be the real deal.
 
troodon said:
Have to give him one more year and see how he performs.

To me Hasan Ali is like Abdul Razaq. Razaq used to bowl in 130's with his fast surprise ball in 140's. Razaq also used to get massive reverse swing. Remember watching Razaq in Sharjah against Srilanka . He was unplayable .

Most bowlers usually get figured out in a couple of years. Hasan Ali is still a bud. If he can maintain this for another year or two, he will be the real deal.
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Erm, I'm sorry but Abdul Razzaq was nowhere near Hasan Ali as a bowler. Abdul Razzaq was more of a batsman who could bowl for most of his career, when he was young he was a better bowler than he was towards the end of his career where he was max 80mph but he wouldn't get in the team as a bowler. Hasan Ali is quicker, smarter and just better in every way than Razzaq as a bowler. More importantly, Hasan Ali is a wicket taker!
 
troodon said:
Have to give him one more year and see how he performs.

To me Hasan Ali is like Abdul Razaq. Razaq used to bowl in 130's with his fast surprise ball in 140's. Razaq also used to get massive reverse swing. Remember watching Razaq in Sharjah against Srilanka . He was unplayable .

Most bowlers usually get figured out in a couple of years. Hasan Ali is still a bud. If he can maintain this for another year or two, he will be the real deal.
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What is there to 'figure out'? He's not a mystery spinner.
 
New Yorker said:
What is there to 'figure out'? He's not a mystery spinner.
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Footage will be available to see how he bowls in middle overs where he seems to be good at. He was an unknown commodity prior to CT. Now everyone knows him and how he bowls. Same with Junaid Khan. When he bursted into the scene back in 2013, he was super good. Now he is just a decent bowler.

I feel Hasan Ali will still be good as he seems talented and he bowled on flat tracks in CT. Its all about effectiveness. Batsmen will start playing him better from now on.

Its too early to say if he will become a great bowler. If Hasan Ali can adapt to new challenges well, then he will become a Pak great.
 
troodon said:
Footage will be available to see how he bowls in middle overs where he seems to be good at. He was an unknown commodity prior to CT. Now everyone knows him and how he bowls. Same with Junaid Khan. When he bursted into the scene back in 2013, he was super good. Now he is just a decent bowler.

I feel Hasan Ali will still be good as he seems talented and he bowled on flat tracks in CT. Its all about effectiveness. Batsmen will start playing him better from now on.

Its too early to say if he will become a great bowler. If Hasan Ali can adapt to new challenges well, then he will become a Pak great.
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And this footage will be helpful how? McGrath was the most predictable bowler in the world by some token. As a batsman you knew he was going to bowl meticulously in the corridor of uncertainty, ball in ball out. Didn't seem to help.

Junaid lost his bite not because batsmen figured him out, but because he became a worse bowler.
 
He’s the best bowler in ODI cricket in the world. That’s why he takes wickets.
 
Good bump. I have my question answered and there's a few reasons as to why he gets wickets, from my understanding.

1) Amazing control on line and length.
2) Desire to succeed. He's worked on his body, his speed, his athleticism and is now even getting reverse because of that.
 
Junaids said:
I argued eleven months ago that it's virtually impossible to succeed at his height.
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You make the worst predictions ever across every thread. I have never seen such poor judgement - I cannot imagine a doctor with such poor analytical skills. I laugh and joke but Ali is a fine bowler. Good pace, good variations, big hearted and good control.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Before I say anything else, I want to make everyone aware that I'm not taking anything away from the guy, he's been brilliant for Pakistan and we are in dire need of his services. HOWEVER, I'm a bit confused as to WHY and HOW he gets so many wickets when I don't see something exceptional in his bowling?

He doesn't have a lot of pace - bowls in the 130's which isn't the hardest to pick, he doesn't swing it usually, he doesn't seam it, he isn't tall and intimidating, he doesn't make use of an awkward action, he never really had a reputation batsmen feared, he doesn't sledge batsmen and he doesn't really have a special seam position either, so this begs the question, what is the reason behind his success in LOI cricket when he isn't doing anything out of the box?

Why is it so hard for batsmen to pick straight 135-142 KPH stuff? My logic is that he's the fast version of Hafeez. Gets through his overs quickly and bowls straight.

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Weird point about PACE. So a bowler with 150KPH should take wickets? You are implying like he dont have pace so he should not get wickets :))) If pace is every thing then Wabby would be ruling the world by now.

Hasan Actually have a decent pace, can clock upto 145, his control, his line length, reverse and most of all game awareness is excellent.
 
Combination of good bowling and some batsmen playing ordinary shots next year we will know if he's great or above average.
 
troodon said:
Footage will be available to see how he bowls in middle overs where he seems to be good at. He was an unknown commodity prior to CT. Now everyone knows him and how he bowls. Same with Junaid Khan. When he bursted into the scene back in 2013, he was super good. Now he is just a decent bowler.

I feel Hasan Ali will still be good as he seems talented and he bowled on flat tracks in CT. Its all about effectiveness. Batsmen will start playing him better from now on.

Its too early to say if he will become a great bowler. If Hasan Ali can adapt to new challenges well, then he will become a Pak great.
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There is no mystery about Hassan. He bowls good L&L, at decent pace and gets the ball to move both ways. Everyone knows what he's doing but what he's doing is too good for them.

As long as he does not get injured and loses his pace, which is what happened to Junaid Khan, he'll remain the best in the world.
 
Hermoine Green said:
Weird point about PACE. So a bowler with 150KPH should take wickets? You are implying like he dont have pace so he should not get wickets :))) If pace is every thing then Wabby would be ruling the world by now.

Hasan Actually have a decent pace, can clock upto 145, his control, his line length, reverse and most of all game awareness is excellent.
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When I made this thread, Hasan did not extract the pace he does right now, at least not as consistently. And no, pace is not everything but I didn't see him swinging or seaming it either.
 
He's skiddy aswell 140kph ball feels quicker with the skiddy bounce he extracts.
 
He comes faster onto you than you expect and for some odd reason is able to extract extra bit of bounce even on dead tracks.
 
He’s aggressive and possess the skills needed to be a great bowler i.e swing, seam movement, cutters, bouncers, slow ones etc
 
1) Big-Hearted
2) Accurate
3) Continues to Increase His Pace
4) Super Athletic
5) Solid Bowling IQ
6) Incredible Mental Toughness (CT Performances Said It All)

He continues to grow and I don't think he's done yet with his development.

Hasan looks ready to become the undisputed #1 ODI bowler in 1-2 years.
 
He is the Anti-Sami of our times i.e. a bowler that seems to have an exceptional brain and then some :-)

He has worked hard on his body, is very quick in his run-up and his action is exceptionally quick (alomost at the Akram level), and pretty much have all the tricks of the trade in his control...I always say a prayer when I see him performing, because we have a bad habit of losing great bowlers due to all the silly reasons!

Can't wait for him to replicate his success at the real level aka Test
 
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I'm going to die a happy person if he ends up as the Wasim Akram of this generation, 500 ODI wickets with an average below 25.

We will definitely win a world cup during Hasan Ali's career if he keeps this up.
 
He has pretty much everything as a bowler, good lines and length, good pace, good swing, both conventional and reverse, has a good yorker and has a killer bouncer.

All the ingredients of a good bowler and for some reason OP couldn't see this..
 
Common guys... dont hype him too much now... Everyone knows he is second best... Rahat Ali is miles ahead of him and will remain for sometime.
 
I am surprised a by quite alot of his wickets picked up on short deliveries, whether its in the champions trophy or this SL series. His bouncer is a wicket taking option rather than for just unsettling the batsman, something abt his bouncer that makes the batsmen go after him but they end up losing their wicket.

quite a few of his deliveries jag back in and are french cut onto the stumps, and some of them stay low which surprises the batsmen too.

Thirdly he is an absolute beast round the wicket, creates an unreal angle to dismiss the lefties.

Simply amazing
 
troodon said:
Have to give him one more year and see how he performs.

To me Hasan Ali is like Abdul Razaq. Razaq used to bowl in 130's with his fast surprise ball in 140's. Razaq also used to get massive reverse swing. Remember watching Razaq in Sharjah against Srilanka . He was unplayable .

Most bowlers usually get figured out in a couple of years. Hasan Ali is still a bud. If he can maintain this for another year or two, he will be the real deal.
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Razzaq decreased his pace and started focusing more on his batting. Otherwise he was an outstanding bowler.
One of the top 10 wicket takers in 1999 world cup, his perofmrances were hugely underrated in that tournament. He bowled amazingly in Sharjah, but eventually from 1999 to 2003, he stopped bending his back. Otherwise he ranked it above 140kph consistently when he wanted to
 
On a serious note tho, I've noticed one thing about his deliveries. I don't know whether to describe it as skiddy but his deliveries just seem to skim off the pitch as in just kiss the pitch and take-off. Anyone not sure about what I'm saying should watch his dismissal of Parnell in CT17. That delivery just pitched and skidded on, kinda like a topspinner in table tennis does.
 
Monsee said:
He is the Anti-Sami of our times i.e. a bowler that seems to have an exceptional brain and then some :-)

He has worked hard on his body, is very quick in his run-up and his action is exceptionally quick (alomost at the Akram level), and pretty much have all the tricks of the trade in his control...I always say a prayer when I see him performing, because we have a bad habit of losing great bowlers due to all the silly reasons!

Can't wait for him to replicate his success at the real level aka Test
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Summed it up beautifully.

Heck, even his celebration is athletic and is a treat to watch :akhtar !
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
On a serious note tho, I've noticed one thing about his deliveries. I don't know whether to describe it as skiddy but his deliveries just seem to skim off the pitch as in just kiss the pitch and take-off. Anyone not sure about what I'm saying should watch his dismissal of Parnell in CT17. That delivery just pitched and skidded on, kinda like a topspinner in table tennis does.
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Maybe it has to do something with his action (wrist more precisely :wasim )
 
But he's too short they said. He's having a purple they are saying. Performing for 1 year consistently and picking up wickets for fun.

Haters ducking for cover. :yk2
 
kingusama92 said:
1) Big-Hearted
2) Accurate
3) Continues to Increase His Pace
4) Super Athletic
5) Solid Bowling IQ
6) Incredible Mental Toughness (CT Performances Said It All)

He continues to grow and I don't think he's done yet with his development.

Hasan looks ready to become the undisputed #1 ODI bowler in 1-2 years.
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Its the Kohli type effect with respect to work ethic and how much he wants to be the very best. He really wants to be the best he can be. Which is why with Hassan you see a guy who is meticulously watching his diet, a guy who has improved his physique, a guy who is adding more tools to his bowling, the passion with which he celebrates every wicket, he doesn't view his position in the team as a day job, he wants to get as many wickets as possible day in day out
 
waleed88 said:
I am surprised a by quite alot of his wickets picked up on short deliveries, whether its in the champions trophy or this SL series. His bouncer is a wicket taking option rather than for just unsettling the batsman, something abt his bouncer that makes the batsmen go after him but they end up losing their wicket.

quite a few of his deliveries jag back in and are french cut onto the stumps, and some of them stay low which surprises the batsmen too.

Thirdly he is an absolute beast round the wicket, creates an unreal angle to dismiss the lefties.

Simply amazing
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His bouncer is skiddy like Marshall's. Batsmen can't tell how high it's going to rise and it just slides on faster than they can anticipate.
 
Because he looks to take wickets.

He's an attacking bowler, but at the same time an intelligent bowler who can work batsmen out pretty quickly.

On top of that he has a lot of skill and determination.
 
I hope its not a purple patch like Mitchell Mclenaghan, he was taking a lot of wickets in his first year
 
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Monsee said:
Yep, his celebration riles up opponents and fans like nothing out there, love it!
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No. Raees' Celebration is the most irksome for the opponents. He manages to get under their skin without saying a word. He got into Imad and Amir's heads in their PSL encounter. :razzaq
 
ExpressPacer said:
Before I say anything else, I want to make everyone aware that I'm not taking anything away from the guy, he's been brilliant for Pakistan and we are in dire need of his services. HOWEVER, I'm a bit confused as to WHY and HOW he gets so many wickets when I don't see something exceptional in his bowling?

He doesn't have a lot of pace - bowls in the 130's which isn't the hardest to pick, he doesn't swing it usually, he doesn't seam it, he isn't tall and intimidating, he doesn't make use of an awkward action, he never really had a reputation batsmen feared, he doesn't sledge batsmen and he doesn't really have a special seam position either, so this begs the question, what is the reason behind his success in LOI cricket when he isn't doing anything out of the box?

Why is it so hard for batsmen to pick straight 135-142 KPH stuff? My logic is that he's the fast version of Hafeez. Gets through his overs quickly and bowls straight.

[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION]
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Did you watch this series? And the CT?

He has consistently hit 140+ in the last 6 months or more. Heck, he was bowling just as fast in the PSL, during a time when Ramiz bahi labelled him a "medium pacer". Are you related to our Mr Raja?

Also, he gets swing, both old and new but more of the former. He has a great yorker, he can change it up with slower balls and cutters and rarely strays wide, with his bowling very tight which makes it difficult to score.

Oh and in the last month he has just added a great bouncer to his reportoir, aimed at the ribs/chest/shoulder. Just where you want your bouncer.
 
He is easily the best Pakistani bowler around (by country miles ahead of Amir),however i wont say he is the best in the world yet, i want him to take wickets in real cricket (tests) before i pass my judgement..but he is definitely a real deal
 
ManFan said:
No. Raees' Celebration is the most irksome for the opponents. He manages to get under their skin without saying a word. He got into Imad and Amir's heads in their PSL encounter. :razzaq
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But no one matches Hasan's stare. The piercing Punjabi style :D that too, right after taking the wicket :yk
 
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