Why does New Zealand have a mediocre Test record overseas?

[KP From India]

New Zealand since the last 30 odd years have only a handful away wins. Since the time of Stephen Fleming to Kane Williamson/ Tim Southee, nothing has changed much.

They seem to have a decent team to compete everywhere.

Since 2000, they only won 2-3 test matches in England (where conditions are 70% similar) and a test win in Australia in 2011. They have not won a test match in India, South Africa in this period.

Only a single win in Australia. A failure in the subcontinent can be boiled down to the lack of quality spin options. But the record in Southeast Asia is equally pathetic.

 

[Devadwal]

NZ team is proper HTB .kane Williamson runs are most soft runs after Babar Azam.

 

[jnaveen1980]

One word. Adpatability.

 

[Buffet]

Lacks batting and bowling to do well away from home. For example, Kane is most celebrated batsmen from NZ in the last 30 years, but he has not done much in SA, Aus, Eng, Ind and SL. 32 tests in these 5 venues with average of 31. That's the most celebrated NZ batsman.

Then many claim that they had the best bowling unit in their history, may be correct. But ,

Away from home average,

Southee 32
Boult 30
Wagner 28

NZ simply lacks firepower to consistently win away from home in batting and bowling both. It's actually very hard to do well away from home consistently because even average teams play well at home.

That's why doing well away from home is a greatness benchmark in test format and if you can do it agaisnt stronger teams then you belong with the best in the history.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They won a WTC despite this mediocre overseas record.
They will never be a true test-great team for an extended period, but they will occasionally have bursts. They don't play enough games nor have the resources to be a sustainably good team.

 

[Mesozoic]

More than this current defeat against Sri Lanka, it was embarassing for them to draw 0-0 in Pakistan.

Imagine playing 2 Tests against Pakistan in pakistan and not even winning one. Yikes!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

New Zealand since the last 30 odd years have only a handful away wins. Since the time of Stephen Fleming to Kane Williamson/ Tim Southee, nothing has changed much.

They seem to have a decent team to compete everywhere.

Since 2000, they only won 2-3 test matches in England (where conditions are 70% similar) and a test win in Australia in 2011. They have not won a test match in India, South Africa in this period.

Only a single win in Australia. A failure in the subcontinent can be boiled down to the lack of quality spin options. But the record in Southeast Asia is equally pathetic.

This record looks so poor.

 

[jnaveen1980]

More than this current defeat against Sri Lanka, it was embarassing for them to draw 0-0 in Pakistan.

Imagine playing 2 Tests against Pakistan in pakistan and not even winning one. Yikes!

Yea.. They were Sarfraz's wicket away from winning the Test. He saved the day for Pakistan

 

[deltexas]

Because they are a mediocre team simple.

 

[sweep_shot]

NZ won a Test World Cup (WTC).

They won the cup that mattered.

 

[Ab Fan]

They have not been a great team historically and lack resources to be a top cricket team.

But despite that, current NZ team should have done better. The likes of Williamson, Latham, Conway, Mitchell, Boult, Southee should have done better than what they hav done in last few years. They have literally been whitewashed in Australia, India and England and that's a poor result for a team that's rated well.

 

[sweep_shot]

They have not been a great team historically and lack resources to be a top cricket team.

But despite that, current NZ team should have done better. The likes of Williamson, Latham, Conway, Mitchell, Boult, Southee should have done better than what they hav done in last few years. They have literally been whitewashed in Australia, India and England and that's a poor result for a team that's rated well.

NZ won in England not long ago.

2021 series.

 

[KP From India]

They have not been a great team historically and lack resources to be a top cricket team.

But despite that, current NZ team should have done better. The likes of Williamson, Latham, Conway, Mitchell, Boult, Southee should have done better than what they hav done in last few years. They have literally been whitewashed in Australia, India and England and that's a poor result for a team that's rated well.

Came close to win tests in India IIRC, in 2010 in some test match they reduced Ind to 60/6 with only 80 odd lead. They could have wrapped us with about 130-140 lead that could be chased down. But then Harbhajan happened.
Also in recent 2021 Series, they reduced the opponent in similar state 6 down with 60-70 lead, the Azar, Saha and other consolidated and took it near 250 to draw. They do not attack when needed. One more wicket in both these matches would have sealed the deal.

 

[kron]

New Zealand since the last 30 odd years have only a handful away wins. Since the time of Stephen Fleming to Kane Williamson/ Tim Southee, nothing has changed much.

They seem to have a decent team to compete everywhere.

Since 2000, they only won 2-3 test matches in England (where conditions are 70% similar) and a test win in Australia in 2011. They have not won a test match in India, South Africa in this period.

Only a single win in Australia. A failure in the subcontinent can be boiled down to the lack of quality spin options. But the record in Southeast Asia is equally pathetic.

Because aman doesn't play for kiwis

 

[kron]

NZ won a Test World Cup (WTC).

They won the cup that mattered.

No one cares about wtc cup

Series wins is what matters. One off test that too in a random venue in England post ipl ? Yea nobody cares

That's why viewing was crap too

If india wins wtc but loses bgt then it's a loss for me. Meaningless

 

[kron]

Because they are a mediocre team simple.

This is the correct answer. At home they are green track bullies except vs aus and SA boring the very last series where SA fielded a A team quality side

 

[hassan918]

New Zealand since the last 30 odd years have only a handful away wins. Since the time of Stephen Fleming to Kane Williamson/ Tim Southee, nothing has changed much.

They seem to have a decent team to compete everywhere.

Since 2000, they only won 2-3 test matches in England (where conditions are 70% similar) and a test win in Australia in 2011. They have not won a test match in India, South Africa in this period.

Only a single win in Australia. A failure in the subcontinent can be boiled down to the lack of quality spin options. But the record in Southeast Asia is equally pathetic.

It is true that they have struggled in away conditions, especially in spin friendly conditions.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2021 was their golden generation and they had a monster in Kyle Jamieson bowling like an absolute demon.

Wagner retired, Boult is gone, Watling also.

They never had a side that good and they probably never will.

 

[kron]

2021 was their golden generation and they had a monster in Kyle Jamieson bowling like an absolute demon.

Wagner retired, Boult is gone, Watling also.

They never had a side that good and they probably never will.

Monster with a caveat only on spicy swing friendly pitches. Not anywhere else. He also looked a monster only vs weak trash indian batsmen who csnt play swing.

 

[anikrc1]

New Zealand have a population of 5 million and cricket is not even the most popular sport there. Despite that they have won series in UAE and England along with the WTC. I will say they have punched well above their weight.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No one cares about wtc cup

Series wins is what matters. One off test that too in a random venue in England post ipl ? Yea nobody cares

That's why viewing was crap too

If india wins wtc but loses bgt then it's a loss for me. Meaningless

To get to the WTC final you have to string along some series wins over a two year period.

 

[kron]

To get to the WTC final you have to string along some series wins over a two year period.

It's easier when you play 2 test series.

 

[Justcrazy]

They are not just good enough outside. Limited talent , most fighting as a group .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

More than this current defeat against Sri Lanka, it was embarassing for them to draw 0-0 in Pakistan.

Imagine playing 2 Tests against Pakistan in pakistan and not even winning one. Yikes!

They were pretty lifeless flat pitches so it isn't that surprising

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

New Zealand have a population of 5 million and cricket is not even the most popular sport there. Despite that they have won series in UAE and England along with the WTC. I will say they have punched well above their weight.

Exactly. Indian and Pakistani cities have bigger populations than the entire country of New Zealand. And despite that they have been a pretty good team for the last 10 years or so. Only just have they started regressing. Not at all bad for a country where cricket doesn't even hold a candle to the No. 1 sport: rugby.

 

[Devadwal]

NEW ZEALAND yet to win an away test series in WTC history .

 

[volcyz]

Gary Stead is the worst coach

 

[pratiktc]

They dont match up well against SA in SA and against Aus in Aus because their best bowlers are usually calibrated on fuller length for nick offs and nipbackers and on most Aus/SA wkts the ideal length is much shorter than this. It is hard to adjust length given that they play usually short 2 test series only.

They have never had match winning spinners so quality subcontinent teams like India and SL give them regular pastings.

England is a good matchup for them both home and away and they usually have competitive series (almost always 3 tests long).

They have a small resource pool and have done damn well with it. Infact their test batter pipeline for next 5 yrs looks better than Aus or SA's

 

[jeetu]

NZ away record since 2010

Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Draw	W/L
in Zimbabwe	2011-2016	3​	3​	0​	0​	-
in Bangladesh	2013-2023	4​	1​	1​	2​	1​
in West Indies	2012-2014	5​	2​	3​	0​	0.666​
in Sri Lanka	2012-2024	6​	2​	4​	0​	0.5​
in England	2013-2022	9​	2​	6​	1​	0.333​
in Australia	2011-2020	8​	1​	6​	1​	0.166​
in India	2010-2021	10​	0​	7​	3​	0​
in Pakistan	2022-2023	2​	0​	0​	2​	0​
in South Africa	2013-2016	4​	0​	3​	1​	0​