Why does Pakistan takes forever to drop a player or change the lineup?

[b.lesner]

Why it happens only in Pakistan that they require so much time to drop a player or change the lineup.

If they knew that top order was the problem why not give Imran Butt a debut , is Imran Incompantant then why is he selected maybe Pakistan don't have ready products in domestic amd they learn in international cricket can't do worse than these top order even if he scores 25-30 runs that is still better than 0 and may even be deciding runs or maybe make Azhar to open.

Why so much time?

 

[Salman4.]

That's how it is in cricket normally.
We had Sarfaraz as a passenger for almost 2 years.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

My guess would be money. Can PCB afford to drop contracted players for players who haven’t got a contract?

 

[b.lesner]

Look at other teams when they know their is problem they change it next match e.g prithvi shaw with Shubman gill.

Even if guy has played 1 inning if they see he isn't suited to these wickets or guy needs more time in domestic thats it for them.

 

[hitthestump]

It's a double edged sword.

Pakistan teams of old were criticised for not sticking with players for long enough.

For balance over the last 10 years Pakistan have gone through fast bowlers like Indian cricketers get through eating beef. So i don't think it's neccesarily an correct statement to make either as the fast bowling carousel has been in full swing.

 

[Usman]

They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.

We selected Yasir for years and years and expected him to magically change.

We've done the same with our openers. We did it again with Asad Shafiq.

The result is that guys performing consistently back in Pakistan like Fawad get left behind.

We operate with utter madness.

 

[b.lesner]

My guess would be money. Can PCB afford to drop contracted players for players who haven’t got a contract?

Simple give central contract quarterly.

 

[ahmedzee]

If you are taking 45+ players to New Zealand, then you might as well do 2 changes in a game, specially if you have lost the first game. Pakistan didn’t do that, and that does bother me. Let me give you an example now.

The team for first 2 t20s were exactly the same. Why? You have a massive t20 squad and you should’ve made atleast 2 changes in 2nd t20, but you didn’t. Remember that changes were made in 3rd t20 and the result was different, and it also ensure what the players are capable of who are just warming the bench for the whole series.

In tests, only one change was made, but I was actually expecting return of Sohail Khan in 2nd test against NZ, but that didn’t happen. When you know that other fast bowlers can’t reverse the bowl, then try to play someone who can bowl well with old ball and reverse it, like sohail. That didn’t happen unfortunately. The batting line up has been stable for a while so it makes sense to keep it the same.

Unfortunately I do recall that when MISBAH was the captain, we entered into the bilateral ODI series, playing first 3 games with exactly identical squad. Usually a captain or coach would want consistency early on in a tournament but this is a bilateral. Why would you not change the team and test your bench. I think it will take the sacking of Misbah for us to be adventurous and more aggressive in our team selection.

 

[Bigboii]

I think its a good thing cause than players get too insecure and start playing selfishly

Remember Haroon Rashid he played so many players that there was no stability left

 

[Titan24]

I think its a good thing cause than players get too insecure and start playing selfishly

Remember Haroon Rashid he played so many players that there was no stability left

He was surely an ordinary selector.

 

[b.lesner]

I think its a good thing cause than players get too insecure and start playing selfishly

Remember Haroon Rashid he played so many players that there was no stability left

No he didn't he didn't select any performer

 

[ElRaja]

most of the management were players in the 90s where personal and captains were being chopped from series to series. pak have gone far too much the other way.

on balance youd rather a player played 2 or 3 tests more, rather than 2 or 3 less than they deserved. but then you also have to make some harsh decisions with guys like haris, who has been in the test team for a few years and shown no real improvement.

 

[RickyG]

Haris Sohail needs to go. He is an embarrassment. I've never wanted a player playing for Pakistan but I was happy that was a very short lived humiliation.

 

[Savak]

Selectors should learn to pick and drop players on current form. Cricket is all about your present form.

 

[b.lesner]

Selectors should learn to pick and drop players on current form. Cricket is all about your present form.

Thats what all do except Pakistan

 

[b.lesner]

Haris Sohail needs to go. He is an embarrassment. I've never wanted a player playing for Pakistan but I was happy that was a very short lived humiliation.

Should stick to ODI's but first needs to play full season of FC which he hasn't since 4 years

 

[guldozer]

We have a long list of players who've only played 1 test match and have deserved more. I wish they'd had a half decent run in the team.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan take forever to drop senior players.

Despite Azhar's vital 93, let's be honest in most other teams he'd be dropped by now after 3.5 years of poor form. Shafiq would've been booted out years ago while Yasir wouldn't be touring outside Asia either.

Otherwise it's right teams give a new player a consistent run of 5-10 matches before passing judgment. Chopping and changing means players are unable to express themselves and are always insecure about their place. Continuity in selection is a hallmark of any top team.

 

[shamaan]

Selectors should learn to pick and drop players on current form. Cricket is all about your present form.

i think they should be given around 4 tests to prove themselves if not they can be dropped thats enough chances

 

[shamaan]

England openers since cook have been changed a couple times but not after they have been given reasonable amount of games.if a team has a back up they may replace them more quickly but if they dont have a back they may get a longer run

 

[Nasty Naz]

To be fair, you can't be dropping established players after a few bad games. Every player and athlete goes through ups and downs but obviously doing things like making someone a captain when they are clearly on their downside is a pretty bad idea.

I think there just needs to be a better understanding of players peak and declining phases. If a established good player struggles for a bit for non-injury related reasons at 26, I think it makes sense to keep him around as a player in his peak should be able to figure it out. Whereas, if a 33 year in that same position is really struggling and it's not injury related, then it seems like an actual decline of a player's physical ability as a result of his age. I think the dropping process in that case should be sped up.

 

[Zaz]

To be fair you cant drop players after 2-3 bad games

If your gonna pick a player they need a good run n backing for 3-4 series

Chopping and changing causes insecurity n nothing good comes of it Most players no matter how good they are will need time to establish themselves So if ur dropping them after a handful of games your shooting yourself in the foot Patience is key to selection decisions and unearthing batting talent

However in some cases it does go too far with pakistan Like for eg shafiq whos played for 2-3 years without results Masoods had enough chances now If he doesnnt perform in 2nd innings he cant complain when dropped he didnt get enough chances

 

[Hasan123]

Because our management don’t understand the game. They give certain players multiple opportunities and other players 1 game and you never see them again.

 

[Finisher]

I think what's worse is selecting players for the wrong formats and dropping them for the other squads for failure in their weaker format

Shan Masood has been hitting runs for fun in List A cricket, cant get anywhere near the one day team, He has been ordinary in FC and tests yet he keeps on returning, he's been so bad that ppers are asking for the return of Imam who himself averages 35 in FC

Haider Ali shouldn't have been selected for Pakistan, he was doing really well in FC as a opener, he will turn in to a t20 hack

 

[ManFan]

Because our management is run like any other. Players are selected based on connections rather than merit.

As long as the fans do not understand this, they will continue to suffer from “what if’s” and “why not’s”.

 

[Snowflake]

Because our management is run like any other. Players are selected based on connections rather than merit.

As long as the fans do not understand this, they will continue to suffer from “what if’s” and “why not’s”.

This, 100%. Pakistan team isn't run like a professional unit where merit is the only criteria for selection. Friendships, seniority, brotherhood and connections are factors that strongly dictate who is a part of the team and who isn't.

This happens in most desi-run organizations where the sense of entitlement is very strong.

 

[ManFan]

This, 100%. Pakistan team isn't run like a professional unit where merit is the only criteria for selection. Friendships, seniority, brotherhood and connections are factors that strongly dictate who is a part of the team and who isn't.

This happens in most desi-run organizations where the sense of entitlement is very strong.

It happens in every board but not on such a blatant and open level.

It’s a surprise the PCB is still active considering how inept it has been for so long.

 

[Down2Earth]

Could be down to a lack of talent. Naseem is in our bowling line up, that says a lot. He's young is the excuse so why not let him mature in domestic cricket first.

 

[Slog]

Yea. Ideally Shan Masood, Haris and Naseem should have been dropped for this match

 

[Itachi]

Honestly speaking, Since I watched cricket, Pakistan has injected more young players than any other teams. The issue remains restricted to only 3-4 players in the team who have a stronghold. For the rest, they are changed much quicker than the actress changing clothes in a bollywood song.