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We are ranked below 7 in Test Cricket, Ranked below 5 in ODI's and it is pretty clear based on our showing in the 2016 T-20 WC and the fact we do not play consistent cricket against good teams that our T-20 number 1 ranking is artificially inflated just like our no 1 test ranking was proven to be artificially inflated as well.

All that matters is consistency of performances over years and years which is where India has proven itself over the last 10 years whereas Pakistan's results for the better part of a decade is in front of everyone.

It baffles me why do experts and fans rate Pakistan's chances in WC tournaments and high profile test series.

For me the key to the 2017 CT win was the simple fact that team carried absolutely zero expectations, it was perceived to be a very weak team, filled with new unproven players which is why all oppositions overlooked us and India felt very over confident in the final.

It also helped that the team was on a roll, had peaked at the right time with in form bowlers and carried immense confidence. But lol the drawback of that win is that the opposition is not going to underestimate Pakistani teams going forward and will put the players in their true place which is what happened.

Maybe our team will actually perform well and more consistently if the team carries less expectations and pressures to do well.
 
Pakistan has never performed consistently, even the ATG PCT of 90s lost to Zim a series at home.

The only issue is the big hardworking Bowlers are missing now and there seems to be not much of a game plan ,so PCT might be underestimated again by teams in WC 19 COZ OF the terrible Asia cup performance,but defn India is not going to do the same and neither England.

You are right on the Ranking though I remember seeing some weird rankings in 90s where PCT was always top 3..
 
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actually Pak is a good T20 team, but not a number one team. That would be full strength England or India team. India hardly plays their full strength team. Also T20 is a format where it is easier to bridge the skill gap. SO i wouldn't be surprised if some other team suddently beats these top team.

Pak has better potential as a test team than the rankings indicate. all their batsman would feel more comfortable playing longer format than the LOIs.. it is just that they are not jelling together yet. Change in captaincy might make a difference. t hey will not suddenly become top three team, but top 5 is certainly possible.
 
CT win is more to the luck of Pakistan as everything is going their way.
1. Kohli and Kumble are not in the same line and there is an internal dispute.
2. No ball out of FZ and eventually score 100.
3. Kohli giving two chances in 2 balls. It never happens before and will never happen in future.

As OP correctly mention India is bit overconfident and not playing as a unit due to an internal dispute.
Now, everyone will do homework for PCT team which India did in Aisa Cup and PCT lost badly to India as well as to BD and narrowly escape a loss to Afganistan which shows that if any team will do homework against pakistan team than they look prety medicore and their are lot of weakness of pakistani players.

Hop PCT will look into their weakness and improve themselves.
 
It really is a mystery.

Heck we probably went with the weakest ever team in 2015 WC but people genuinely thought we have a chance
 
CT win is more to the luck of Pakistan as everything is going their way.
1. Kohli and Kumble are not in the same line and there is an internal dispute.
2. No ball out of FZ and eventually score 100.
3. Kohli giving two chances in 2 balls. It never happens before and will never happen in future.

As OP correctly mention India is bit overconfident and not playing as a unit due to an internal dispute.
Now, everyone will do homework for PCT team which India did in Aisa Cup and PCT lost badly to India as well as to BD and narrowly escape a loss to Afganistan which shows that if any team will do homework against pakistan team than they look prety medicore and their are lot of weakness of pakistani players.

Hop PCT will look into their weakness and improve themselves.

So Kohli giving two chances in two balls is luck? It wasn’t Mohammad Amir’s skill? Stop trying to take the credit away from where it’s due. Pakistan were on a whole different level to India on that day.
 
So Kohli giving two chances in two balls is luck? It wasn’t Mohammad Amir’s skill? Stop trying to take the credit away from where it’s due. Pakistan were on a whole different level to India on that day.

That's very true.
 
So Kohli giving two chances in two balls is luck? It wasn’t Mohammad Amir’s skill? Stop trying to take the credit away from where it’s due. Pakistan were on a whole different level to India on that day.

Debatable, for me Amir is lucky to get kholi wicket in nothing so special ball. But 1st ball is good.
 
Because Pakistan is a good team. Even in tests, teams ranked 6,7,8 are actually very good in terms of potential and on their day can win against the top teams. Hence the expectations. Bangladesh too is a strong team these days at home. Pakistan gets extra attention due to the unpredictable nature of their performance and the pace bowling unit which is expected to win matches for them on wickets that provide some assistance, like the ones in England and SA.
 
We are ranked below 7 in Test Cricket, Ranked below 5 in ODI's and it is pretty clear based on our showing in the 2016 T-20 WC and the fact we do not play consistent cricket against good teams that our T-20 number 1 ranking is artificially inflated just like our no 1 test ranking was proven to be artificially inflated as well.

All that matters is consistency of performances over years and years which is where India has proven itself over the last 10 years whereas Pakistan's results for the better part of a decade is in front of everyone.

It baffles me why do experts and fans rate Pakistan's chances in WC tournaments and high profile test series.

For me the key to the 2017 CT win was the simple fact that team carried absolutely zero expectations, it was perceived to be a very weak team, filled with new unproven players which is why all oppositions overlooked us and India felt very over confident in the final.

It also helped that the team was on a roll, had peaked at the right time with in form bowlers and carried immense confidence. But lol the drawback of that win is that the opposition is not going to underestimate Pakistani teams going forward and will put the players in their true place which is what happened.

Maybe our team will actually perform well and more consistently if the team carries less expectations and pressures to do well.

When you love your team and watch each & every match,you want them to win those matches and that's where high expectations come from.

But at the same time one needs to be realistic because once the team(or a player) fails to deliver as per one's expectation,it lead to disappointment and that fans becomes pessimistic
Then that fan starts releasing his frustration on the team(or player) for even their small failures and fails to rate their victories
 
Our fans have the attitude of a leading team but the team itself is emphatically mediocre. There is a massive gap between the expectations of the fans and the reality, and it will take a long time for them to acknowledge and appreciate that gap.

However, a lot of Pakistani fans are slowly coming to terms with the reality and the delusional fans will eventually make peace with it as well. 10 years from now, the average Pakistani fan will recognise the mediocrity that Pakistan cricket is without looking for excuses and justifications.

For nearly 30-40 years, Pakistan has been one of the major teams in the world. It is not possible for the fans to acknowledge its demise overnight.
 
CT win is more to the luck of Pakistan as everything is going their way.
1. Kohli and Kumble are not in the same line and there is an internal dispute.
2. No ball out of FZ and eventually score 100.
3. Kohli giving two chances in 2 balls. It never happens before and will never happen in future.

As OP correctly mention India is bit overconfident and not playing as a unit due to an internal dispute.
Now, everyone will do homework for PCT team which India did in Aisa Cup and PCT lost badly to India as well as to BD and narrowly escape a loss to Afganistan which shows that if any team will do homework against pakistan team than they look prety medicore and their are lot of weakness of pakistani players.

Hop PCT will look into their weakness and improve themselves.

Come on now, why can't you guys get get over the fact that we were much better on that day? When we play to our potential, we just make other teams bleed. Unfortunately we have our own issues with consistency. But hey, isn't that what makes us interesting? As the famous saying of Nasser Hussain goes, you never know which Pakistan turns up on any day. But one would direly hope it's not the deadly version...
 
Because our fans over rate our team. Also, Pakistan are known to be unpredictable
 
Come on now, why can't you guys get get over the fact that we were much better on that day? When we play to our potential, we just make other teams bleed. Unfortunately we have our own issues with consistency. But hey, isn't that what makes us interesting? As the famous saying of Nasser Hussain goes, you never know which Pakistan turns up on any day. But one would direly hope it's not the deadly version...

This is what I was just about to say. I think with Pakistan you never know who you will turn up and that itself makes it hard to plan for playing against them.
 
A lot of our fans are optimistic. But if you look realistically there was no chance of a victory in SA.
 
Here's the thing, we always have a good chance.
Most of the time we end up jeapordising ourselves ever since I have been watching and we rarely get our first team on the pitch.
Countless world cups and CTs and big tours we lose our major players on the eve of tournaments. Ever since 2003. Drugs bans, fixing bans, chucking bans, injuries. We have had it all.
And we just did not have the depth to cover these.
Then there is the issue of seniority clinging on.
I would stick my neck out and say even for the upcoming world cup, if we are injury free with the current squad and pick the right eleven and combination ( like no hafeez if he can't bowl!! and sarfaraz batting overs 20 to 35) I give us a shout. But we see hafeez come in at 4 and sarfaraz trying to slog at the death :facepalm:
 
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Come on now, why can't you guys get get over the fact that we were much better on that day? When we play to our potential, we just make other teams bleed. Unfortunately we have our own issues with consistency. But hey, isn't that what makes us interesting? As the famous saying of Nasser Hussain goes, you never know which Pakistan turns up on any day. But one would direly hope it's not the deadly version...

While that might be true(and PCT was defn better team on that day CT 2017) but when teams take PCT seriously and work out a plan they easily outdo PCT ,this has been the case for past few years now.

The unpredictable tag was more suitable till 2012 when capability was there as well, the more players play PSL the more the players will be found out.
 
Repeated and consistent failures are step sided by an odd victory and the fans will go gaga over how "they (PCT) light fire under the opposition". Once in a blue moon performance (fluke) is treated as norm.

Ironically, Pak fans get upset by this very behaviour from Bangladeshi fans as was seen during Asia Cup.

6th ranking SL are minnows. 7th ranking Pak are the "potential" number 1 test team.

*Slow Clap

An entire generation which worshipped Afridi are now growing up to be hack themselves and fans sheepishly blame everyone and everything else except the culture which cherishes and celebrates mediocrity like no other. Any other team who has been playing the game for 70 years will be ashamed of the "unpredictable" tag.
 
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Debatable, for me Amir is lucky to get kholi wicket in nothing so special ball. But 1st ball is good.

He explained it perfectly in an interview, first ball was outswinger second ball he knew he would be expecting another so this time he bowled an inswinger. The skill of Amir led to the wicket of Kohli, not luck or anything else.
 
While that might be true(and PCT was defn better team on that day CT 2017) but when teams take PCT seriously and work out a plan they easily outdo PCT ,this has been the case for past few years now.

The unpredictable tag was more suitable till 2012 when capability was there as well, the more players play PSL the more the players will be found out.

The found phase is where the onus in on the players to work on their weak areas and take their game to the next level. Sadly 90% of our players do not have the work ethic of Shan Masood which explains why they all stagnate fast.
 
Our fans have the attitude of a leading team but the team itself is emphatically mediocre. There is a massive gap between the expectations of the fans and the reality, and it will take a long time for them to acknowledge and appreciate that gap.

However, a lot of Pakistani fans are slowly coming to terms with the reality and the delusional fans will eventually make peace with it as well. 10 years from now, the average Pakistani fan will recognise the mediocrity that Pakistan cricket is without looking for excuses and justifications.

For nearly 30-40 years, Pakistan has been one of the major teams in the world. It is not possible for the fans to acknowledge its demise overnight.



Do you think that there will be any positive hope in the near future or we're going to finished as a major cricketing nation?
I want to know how you're seeing Pakistan cricket in the future? Is there any kind of solution you think which makes us a better cricketing nation?
 
He explained it perfectly in an interview, first ball was outswinger second ball he knew he would be expecting another so this time he bowled an inswinger. The skill of Amir led to the wicket of Kohli, not luck or anything else.

I think it was the opposite of this, dropped catch ball was indeed and outswinger but since he was swinging it both ways and just got R Sharma with an inswinger, Kohli thought it will be another indipper this time to change things up thus he turned his bat towards legside but the outswinger caught the leading edge straight to Shadab, Amir indeed set him perfectly.
 
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Our fans have the attitude of a leading team but the team itself is emphatically mediocre. There is a massive gap between the expectations of the fans and the reality, and it will take a long time for them to acknowledge and appreciate that gap.

However, a lot of Pakistani fans are slowly coming to terms with the reality and the delusional fans will eventually make peace with it as well. 10 years from now, the average Pakistani fan will recognise the mediocrity that Pakistan cricket is without looking for excuses and justifications.

For nearly 30-40 years, Pakistan has been one of the major teams in the world. It is not possible for the fans to acknowledge its demise overnight.

Actually, NO.

Pak U-19 will continue to be in Top-3.

It's Players' Track from U-19 to domestics and then PCT that destroys these players. Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam didn't go through this route and were not destroyed. This FC season, Saif Badar was seen batting at #9. And Wahab was batting higher than Badar in T20 tournament where Badar was MOM in Final. That tells the whole story.
Hammad Azam was probably the best player of U-19 WC he played in. Name of Sami Aslam comes to mind as well. Anwar Ali even defended 109 in final. But they all lost it in step up to domestics. They made it to PCT for their U-19 rep only, not for their domestic stats. They failed.

Few months ago I talked about identifying a pool of 30 U-20 players and facilitate their induction into English counties/clubs/academies for 2-3 years. Take them out of this domestic mafia and they will develop. Every year PCB can add 5 players to this pool.

Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz are products of this domestic system and will never develop even if they play 200 tests.

Fellows who regularly got distinctions in Medical School may well end up being GPs as compared to an otherwise casual student who decided to be an Endocrinologist.
 
I think it was the opposite of this, dropped catch ball was indeed and outswinger but since he was swinging it both ways and just got R Sharma with an inswinger, Kohli thought it will be another indipper this time to change things up thus he turned his bat towards legside but the outswinger caught the leading edge straight to Shadab, Amir indeed set him perfectly.

People underestimate Shadab Khan's fielding, that was not an easy catch at all, it is very easy for the fielder to miss it given the batsman was playing on the on side
 
India needs to improve its ratings 116 is too low.
India were on 116 before the series with Australia. Despite winning the series 2-1, they are still on 116. A 3-1 win would have taken them to 118. So the rain affected draw in Sydney was quite costly for Indian ranking.
 
So Kohli giving two chances in two balls is luck? It wasn’t Mohammad Amir’s skill? Stop trying to take the credit away from where it’s due. Pakistan were on a whole different level to India on that day.

They sure were. FZ played a blinder and Hafeez took the game away. Once the score was 340, there was no chasing. That's the beauty of Pakistan cricket. They can turn the heat in an instant as they did with the two best teams in the tournament - Eng and India.

India went to the final but they lost to SL and had middle order troubles. It was actually England's loss. The cup had their name written on it until Pakistan stole it.
 
Because fans should always expect and hope for the best from their team. You can be the worst team in the world, but you should still expect to win the WC.
 
I am more realistic. I understand the shortcomings of the Indian team. We know the ground realities. For instance, India has Rohit sharma, Dhawan, Kohli. If a Bangladesh fan had these players in their side they would expect them to crush every team. As an Indian fan my first thinking would be "What happens when they get out". So unless and until all the bases are covered i am never going to be a satisfied fan and i will reduce my expectations.

If the players are bad what can team do?
 
Come on now, why can't you guys get get over the fact that we were much better on that day? When we play to our potential, we just make other teams bleed. Unfortunately we have our own issues with consistency. But hey, isn't that what makes us interesting? As the famous saying of Nasser Hussain goes, you never know which Pakistan turns up on any day. But one would direly hope it's not the deadly version...

Their is no beast mode for PCT, if FZ would be out I bet you can't cross 200 on that day. His 100 wins you the match which puts a big total in score board. Every team can play some good match on any day it's not specific to Pakistan, so please stop this unpredictably tag.
 
Notwithstanding the nonsense about the alleged fluke of the CT final, I rate Pakistan highly because they are one or two selections away from a great performance. But I will be the first to admit that consistency is lacking.
 
Their is no beast mode for PCT, if FZ would be out I bet you can't cross 200 on that day. His 100 wins you the match which puts a big total in score board. Every team can play some good match on any day it's not specific to Pakistan, so please stop this unpredictably tag.

This is kind of sad. It’s like saying if we hadn’t dropped sehwag a zillion times when India toured Pakistan, we would have won the test series
 
Repeated and consistent failures are step sided by an odd victory and the fans will go gaga over how "they (PCT) light fire under the opposition". Once in a blue moon performance (fluke) is treated as norm.

Ironically, Pak fans get upset by this very behaviour from Bangladeshi fans as was seen during Asia Cup.

6th ranking SL are minnows. 7th ranking Pak are the "potential" number 1 test team.

*Slow Clap

An entire generation which worshipped Afridi are now growing up to be hack themselves and fans sheepishly blame everyone and everything else except the culture which cherishes and celebrates mediocrity like no other. Any other team who has been playing the game for 70 years will be ashamed of the "unpredictable" tag.

This. Pakistani think BD is minnows while they lost 4 consecutive game to them.
They still can't digest that they are medicore team and it will take time. But please remove this rubbish tag of unpredictably, every team can play one good match out of 10, specially the country who only play cricket that too from last 70 year.
 
Do you think that there will be any positive hope in the near future or we're going to finished as a major cricketing nation?
I want to know how you're seeing Pakistan cricket in the future? Is there any kind of solution you think which makes us a better cricketing nation?

Before we can address the question of whether cricket in Pakistan can be salvaged, we first need to understand why we have regressed so much in spite of the fact that with 200m people, we have the second largest talent pool (after India) by some distance, have 50+ years of cricket heritage and it is by far the most loved and followed sport in the country.

We have all the resources required to become a powerhouse in cricket. However, we have been held back by three main factors, all of which are interlinked:

(1) Our rotten cricket culture
(2) The state of domestic cricket
(3) The status and the reputation of the country itself

Our cricket culture is rotten because in the last three decades or so, cricket has left the urban cities and gone to the villages. Children in urban cities still play the game, but most of them are not prepared to make it a career because it is very risky. If you are not good enough to make it the national team, you are better off focusing on your education.

As a result, most of our players are coming from weak backgrounds and lack social awareness. They don't know how to handle their newly found fame and act like fools. They lack intelligence and perception because they have received very little formal education, they are poor communicators and are easily intimidated and star-struck by the big teams and the big players. Simply put, we are not producing stars anymore with big, charismatic personalities.

Personality plays a big role in your development as a player. It can make you better than you are and it rubs on your teammates as well as the opposition. The fact that a character like Sarfraz is the captain of the team today shows how much our cricket culture has regressed: average cricketer, zero personality, zero charisma, poor communication skills and hardly someone who is going to make people pay to watch him.

On the other side of the border, you have Kohli. Even if we ignore his status as a legendary batsman, he is one of the biggest personalities and superstar in the history of the game, and his mere presence on the field as well as his articulate manner of speaking makes him steal the spotlight.

There was a time when Pakistan was led by Imran Khan and India was led by Kapil, or Pakistan was led by Wasim and India was led by Azharuddin. These captains were as popular in India as they were in Pakistan. Today, apart from some of his family that lives in India, I highly doubt that your average Indian cricket fan is even aware of who Sarfraz is.

Secondly, the often discussed state of our domestic cricket. When you look at the condition of the pitches and the condition of the grounds, it is easy to understand why we have regressed so much as a cricket nation. On top of that, you have tried and tested failures in international cricket dominating the charts in domestic cricket, which is a clear indication that top level talent is not coming through, and that is why nearly every hyped youngster flops in international cricket.

Our First-Class matches end in three days and the batsmen simply do not develop the temperament and the patience to bat for long hours. How many young batsmen in our F/C Cricket have scored double and triple-hundreds? Our pitches are tailor-made for dibbly-dobbly trundlers where the ball bounce bounce above the knee on those sticky pitches, which is why these batsmen look out of their depth against genuine pace bowling on lively pitches.

When it comes to the status and reputation of the country, it has had a big impact on the state of domestic cricket. If you look at India, foreign coaches spend a lot of time working with the young Indian players even outside the IPL. In Pakistan, we cannot convince foreign coaches to work with our domestic players unless we give them presidential security for three days.

As a result, our players simply do not have the exposure that the Indian players enjoy. Also, the security problems that the country is facing has obviously dented the PCB as well. Playing matches in the UAE is a big financial burden, and a big chunk of that money could have been better used elsewhere. The opportunity cost of not playing at home is considerably huge even if we ignore the on-field implications, which are often used to excuse the poor performances of the team.

Pakistan cricket can restore its dignity yes, but I am personally not hopeful because I don't see the status of the country changing for at least the next 20-30 years. Unless and until all teams are willing to play in Pakistan and we do not have to rub our nose in the dirt to convince people to come to the country, our cricket will continue to suffer.

Nothing is constant so all of that might change at some point in the distant future, but by that time, we might be too far behind to catch up.
 
Actually, NO.

Pak U-19 will continue to be in Top-3.

It's Players' Track from U-19 to domestics and then PCT that destroys these players. Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam didn't go through this route and were not destroyed. This FC season, Saif Badar was seen batting at #9. And Wahab was batting higher than Badar in T20 tournament where Badar was MOM in Final. That tells the whole story.
Hammad Azam was probably the best player of U-19 WC he played in. Name of Sami Aslam comes to mind as well. Anwar Ali even defended 109 in final. But they all lost it in step up to domestics. They made it to PCT for their U-19 rep only, not for their domestic stats. They failed.

Few months ago I talked about identifying a pool of 30 U-20 players and facilitate their induction into English counties/clubs/academies for 2-3 years. Take them out of this domestic mafia and they will develop. Every year PCB can add 5 players to this pool.

Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz are products of this domestic system and will never develop even if they play 200 tests.

Fellows who regularly got distinctions in Medical School may well end up being GPs as compared to an otherwise casual student who decided to be an Endocrinologist.

Actually, the U-19 is slowly starting to suffer as well. We have not won the tournament for 12 years now, and the way we were outclassed by the Indian U-19 team was embarrassing. Our demise will eventually trickle down and rear its ugly head at the junior levels as well. It has started already, and you can see that there are no genuine batting prospects coming through.

The idea that junior players should be facilitated into English academies is a good one, but it is not practical. Firstly, there needs to be a very good reason for the English clubs and counties to spend their resources on young Pakistani players who may or may not develop to be international standard, and who in any case would go on to play for Pakistan.

What benefit would these clubs, academies and counties etc. gain by developing players for Pakistan? Why not use those resources for English talent?

For any such arrangement to take place, the PCB will have to pay a premium to these clubs and counties to motivate and entice them to use their resources to develop players for Pakistan rather than England. Will the PCB to do that and can PCB afford to do that considering the risk involved? The risk that millions would be wasted on 15 year old players who may not be good enough to succeed in international cricket?
 
Coz of our fans who talk up our "talented" players up like no ones business. I read the threads here of up and coming players who are soon gonna set the world alight with their amazing talent. If they do ever represent Pak most of them are exposed as being average or no hopers at international level. It is our laughable fans who place unreal expectations on our donkey cricketers only to have their hearts broken repeatedly. I can only assume that most of these fans are no older then 20. Umar Amin, Salahuddin and many others have been talked up like no ones business only to play a few tests before being exposed for what they are that is second class at international level.
 
Actually, the U-19 is slowly starting to suffer as well. We have not won the tournament for 12 years now, and the way we were outclassed by the Indian U-19 team was embarrassing. Our demise will eventually trickle down and rear its ugly head at the junior levels as well. It has started already, and you can see that there are no genuine batting prospects coming through.

The idea that junior players should be facilitated into English academies is a good one, but it is not practical. Firstly, there needs to be a very good reason for the English clubs and counties to spend their resources on young Pakistani players who may or may not develop to be international standard, and who in any case would go on to play for Pakistan.

What benefit would these clubs, academies and counties etc. gain by developing players for Pakistan? Why not use those resources for English talent?

For any such arrangement to take place, the PCB will have to pay a premium to these clubs and counties to motivate and entice them to use their resources to develop players for Pakistan rather than England. Will the PCB to do that and can PCB afford to do that considering the risk involved? The risk that millions would be wasted on 15 year old players who may not be good enough to succeed in international cricket?

Fully agreed

And actually the u-19 success for Asian teams don't mean much because a lot of players are age fudgers
Indian & Pakistani sides have been the most successful sides but they have failed to replicate Such performance at the senior level

Bangladesh have also been among the best at the u19 level but at the senior level,even though they have improved a bit they still struggle against the big boys


Even the Nepalese side have notched up wins against some of the full members in last 10-15 years but still struggles at the Associate level
Only decent cricketers they have are Paras Khadka & Sandeep Lamichhane
 
Before we can address the question of whether cricket in Pakistan can be salvaged, we first need to understand why we have regressed so much in spite of the fact that with 200m people, we have the second largest talent pool (after India) by some distance, have 50+ years of cricket heritage and it is by far the most loved and followed sport in the country.

We have all the resources required to become a powerhouse in cricket. However, we have been held back by three main factors, all of which are interlinked:

(1) Our rotten cricket culture
(2) The state of domestic cricket
(3) The status and the reputation of the country itself

Our cricket culture is rotten because in the last three decades or so, cricket has left the urban cities and gone to the villages. Children in urban cities still play the game, but most of them are not prepared to make it a career because it is very risky. If you are not good enough to make it the national team, you are better off focusing on your education.

As a result, most of our players are coming from weak backgrounds and lack social awareness. They don't know how to handle their newly found fame and act like fools. They lack intelligence and perception because they have received very little formal education, they are poor communicators and are easily intimidated and star-struck by the big teams and the big players. Simply put, we are not producing stars anymore with big, charismatic personalities.

Personality plays a big role in your development as a player. It can make you better than you are and it rubs on your teammates as well as the opposition. The fact that a character like Sarfraz is the captain of the team today shows how much our cricket culture has regressed: average cricketer, zero personality, zero charisma, poor communication skills and hardly someone who is going to make people pay to watch him.

On the other side of the border, you have Kohli. Even if we ignore his status as a legendary batsman, he is one of the biggest personalities and superstar in the history of the game, and his mere presence on the field as well as his articulate manner of speaking makes him steal the spotlight.

There was a time when Pakistan was led by Imran Khan and India was led by Kapil, or Pakistan was led by Wasim and India was led by Azharuddin. These captains were as popular in India as they were in Pakistan. Today, apart from some of his family that lives in India, I highly doubt that your average Indian cricket fan is even aware of who Sarfraz is.

Secondly, the often discussed state of our domestic cricket. When you look at the condition of the pitches and the condition of the grounds, it is easy to understand why we have regressed so much as a cricket nation. On top of that, you have tried and tested failures in international cricket dominating the charts in domestic cricket, which is a clear indication that top level talent is not coming through, and that is why nearly every hyped youngster flops in international cricket.

Our First-Class matches end in three days and the batsmen simply do not develop the temperament and the patience to bat for long hours. How many young batsmen in our F/C Cricket have scored double and triple-hundreds? Our pitches are tailor-made for dibbly-dobbly trundlers where the ball bounce bounce above the knee on those sticky pitches, which is why these batsmen look out of their depth against genuine pace bowling on lively pitches.

When it comes to the status and reputation of the country, it has had a big impact on the state of domestic cricket. If you look at India, foreign coaches spend a lot of time working with the young Indian players even outside the IPL. In Pakistan, we cannot convince foreign coaches to work with our domestic players unless we give them presidential security for three days.

As a result, our players simply do not have the exposure that the Indian players enjoy. Also, the security problems that the country is facing has obviously dented the PCB as well. Playing matches in the UAE is a big financial burden, and a big chunk of that money could have been better used elsewhere. The opportunity cost of not playing at home is considerably huge even if we ignore the on-field implications, which are often used to excuse the poor performances of the team.

Pakistan cricket can restore its dignity yes, but I am personally not hopeful because I don't see the status of the country changing for at least the next 20-30 years. Unless and until all teams are willing to play in Pakistan and we do not have to rub our nose in the dirt to convince people to come to the country, our cricket will continue to suffer.

Nothing is constant so all of that might change at some point in the distant future, but by that time, we might be too far behind to catch up.

Don't agree with all the points but very good post, and well articulated.
 
Pakistan has never performed consistently, even the ATG PCT of 90s lost to Zim a series at home.

The only issue is the big hardworking Bowlers are missing now and there seems to be not much of a game plan ,so PCT might be underestimated again by teams in WC 19 COZ OF the terrible Asia cup performance,but defn India is not going to do the same and neither England.

You are right on the Ranking though I remember seeing some weird rankings in 90s where PCT was always top 3..

The only time Pakistan were consistent was between 1982-1994. Only lost four Test series in twelve years.
 
Why? Because cricket is the nation's release mechanism.

You will have to widen your horizon and look outside of cricket to be able to understand why the nation still harbors miracles and unjust expectations from the cricket team.

Pakistan has slowly and gradually lost itself from all other sports except cricket. Hockey in 1994 was still at par with cricket and received multiple sponsorships. I remember hockey players coming in TV advertisements. Same with Jahangir and Jansher Khan. Coca-Cola used to be the sponsor of our hockey team then. Imagine that. What happened was that Pakistan stopped investing in hockey post 1994 and started investing in cricket as we got the 1996 World Cup on home soil. Couple this with steadily declining results in hockey and good-to-great results in cricket, naturally the tilt started happening towards cricket. Jahangir had long retired and Jansher was on his last legs and there was no one to carry the baton. So that sport died as well. So in the end all that remained was 1 sport in the entire country i.e. Cricket. Naturally all expectations came down to this sport and continues to this day.

Also, Pakistan has been traumatized over the past 15 years with terrorism. Forget the destruction of infrastructure or the loss of lives, what terrorism did to this country was divide it into factions and gave birth to sectarianism. Pakistan had been on the brink of civil war for a long long time unfortunately and people's lives have become hell. Add this to the deteriorating economic situation where even people earning 20,000 Rs per month are not able to manage their households, it is natural that frustration started to take birth.

What cricket has done is alleviate that hurt and those unimaginable hardships that people face everyday by allowing people to take their minds off the harsh realities of life for a small amount of time. Cricket is the only binding force in this country where sectarianism dies when a match on. Nobody would ask you about your religion or firqa during the time cricket is on air.

Add to this the mercurial nature of the Pakistan cricket team where over the years it has always given hope when the nation least expects be it through the '92 WC win or '09 WC win or '17 CT win, people remain in hope that the team will give themselves something to cheer about. And the cricket team has always won tournaments and series despite their rankings, not because of it.

These expectations may be unjust as the reality is that the team is simply not good enough, but I will come back to how I started this post. Cricket is the nation's release mechanism. Who do people pin their hopes on? The government hasn't done anything for the masses. In fact it has only made their lives miserable. So naturally all hopes are attached with the cricket team. If they win, it also gives the people a feeling of patriotism. And there's no better drug than patriotism.
 
Why? Because cricket is the nation's release mechanism.

You will have to widen your horizon and look outside of cricket to be able to understand why the nation still harbors miracles and unjust expectations from the cricket team.

Pakistan has slowly and gradually lost itself from all other sports except cricket. Hockey in 1994 was still at par with cricket and received multiple sponsorships. I remember hockey players coming in TV advertisements. Same with Jahangir and Jansher Khan. Coca-Cola used to be the sponsor of our hockey team then. Imagine that. What happened was that Pakistan stopped investing in hockey post 1994 and started investing in cricket as we got the 1996 World Cup on home soil. Couple this with steadily declining results in hockey and good-to-great results in cricket, naturally the tilt started happening towards cricket. Jahangir had long retired and Jansher was on his last legs and there was no one to carry the baton. So that sport died as well. So in the end all that remained was 1 sport in the entire country i.e. Cricket. Naturally all expectations came down to this sport and continues to this day.

Also, Pakistan has been traumatized over the past 15 years with terrorism. Forget the destruction of infrastructure or the loss of lives, what terrorism did to this country was divide it into factions and gave birth to sectarianism. Pakistan had been on the brink of civil war for a long long time unfortunately and people's lives have become hell. Add this to the deteriorating economic situation where even people earning 20,000 Rs per month are not able to manage their households, it is natural that frustration started to take birth.

What cricket has done is alleviate that hurt and those unimaginable hardships that people face everyday by allowing people to take their minds off the harsh realities of life for a small amount of time. Cricket is the only binding force in this country where sectarianism dies when a match on. Nobody would ask you about your religion or firqa during the time cricket is on air.

Add to this the mercurial nature of the Pakistan cricket team where over the years it has always given hope when the nation least expects be it through the '92 WC win or '09 WC win or '17 CT win, people remain in hope that the team will give themselves something to cheer about. And the cricket team has always won tournaments and series despite their rankings, not because of it.

These expectations may be unjust as the reality is that the team is simply not good enough, but I will come back to how I started this post. Cricket is the nation's release mechanism. Who do people pin their hopes on? The government hasn't done anything for the masses. In fact it has only made their lives miserable. So naturally all hopes are attached with the cricket team. If they win, it also gives the people a feeling of patriotism. And there's no better drug than patriotism.

I think this is the best possible answer. The Pakistani Cricket team doing well makes us momentarily forget all the problems plaguing the country.
 
Why? Because cricket is the nation's release mechanism.

You will have to widen your horizon and look outside of cricket to be able to understand why the nation still harbors miracles and unjust expectations from the cricket team.

Pakistan has slowly and gradually lost itself from all other sports except cricket. Hockey in 1994 was still at par with cricket and received multiple sponsorships. I remember hockey players coming in TV advertisements. Same with Jahangir and Jansher Khan. Coca-Cola used to be the sponsor of our hockey team then. Imagine that. What happened was that Pakistan stopped investing in hockey post 1994 and started investing in cricket as we got the 1996 World Cup on home soil. Couple this with steadily declining results in hockey and good-to-great results in cricket, naturally the tilt started happening towards cricket. Jahangir had long retired and Jansher was on his last legs and there was no one to carry the baton. So that sport died as well. So in the end all that remained was 1 sport in the entire country i.e. Cricket. Naturally all expectations came down to this sport and continues to this day.

Also, Pakistan has been traumatized over the past 15 years with terrorism. Forget the destruction of infrastructure or the loss of lives, what terrorism did to this country was divide it into factions and gave birth to sectarianism. Pakistan had been on the brink of civil war for a long long time unfortunately and people's lives have become hell. Add this to the deteriorating economic situation where even people earning 20,000 Rs per month are not able to manage their households, it is natural that frustration started to take birth.

What cricket has done is alleviate that hurt and those unimaginable hardships that people face everyday by allowing people to take their minds off the harsh realities of life for a small amount of time. Cricket is the only binding force in this country where sectarianism dies when a match on. Nobody would ask you about your religion or firqa during the time cricket is on air.

Add to this the mercurial nature of the Pakistan cricket team where over the years it has always given hope when the nation least expects be it through the '92 WC win or '09 WC win or '17 CT win, people remain in hope that the team will give themselves something to cheer about. And the cricket team has always won tournaments and series despite their rankings, not because of it.

These expectations may be unjust as the reality is that the team is simply not good enough, but I will come back to how I started this post. Cricket is the nation's release mechanism. Who do people pin their hopes on? The government hasn't done anything for the masses. In fact it has only made their lives miserable. So naturally all hopes are attached with the cricket team. If they win, it also gives the people a feeling of patriotism. And there's no better drug than patriotism.

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Another reason is most Pak fans obsession with Imran Khan. If the now PM says "Pakistan has amazing talent" then he has to be right! Sometimes IK can be incredibly ignorant making silly statements like Inzi being better then Sachin.
 
Because ranking doesn't define your results. Results define your ranking. And results will come with performance and we have sufficient talent to perform and be #1 in tests. Not long ago we were #1 in tests. We need young blood and revive the team, we are a team in transition and team needs support.
 
Our team is unpredictable and has been for years. Our team is unfortunately not good. You could say certain players picked in a squad over others could improve our team but still our team is somewhat mediocre, we need vast improvements in our domestic cricket, coaching staff and National cricket academy need to be looked at and stadiums and pitches need updating. We have a LONG way to go until we are to be consider apart of some the teams above.
 
"unpredictability tag" works for limited over formats. You gotta be good to win Tests. Having one or two good sessions won't help you.
 
Take a look at the "talent spotter" thread hyping up our future stars. These boys are gonna be at best average players as well yet we expect them to be like Kohli. Point is we have false expectations from an average group of players of every generation. The system is so rotten that it won't produce anything good like a bad tree that'll only give rotten fruit. No new coach will be able to change anything when the root is the same.
 
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Good point. Yes, other teams are not going to take Pakistan lightly especially after their win in Champions trophy. They have the bowlers to turn it around at any stage in a match, so others will always be careful and they also have the previous experience of winning big tournaments.
 
Take a look at the "talent spotter" thread hyping up our future stars. These boys are gonna be at best average players as well yet we expect them to be like Kohli. Point is we have false expectations from an average group of players of every generation. The system is so rotten that it won't produce anything good like a bad tree that'll only give rotten fruit. No new coach will be able to change anything when the root is the same.

Talent is the same at an average in any geography or era. Of course, the population would make a difference.

But what really matters is how you nurture the talent and system around it. If Pakistan starts nurturing cricket properly at school level, concentrating on technique etc, there will be excellent batsmen coming out Pakistan.

Tendulkars, Kohlis, Akrams and Imran Khans are exceptions, because they are freaks of nature with added work ethic. You might not produce Wasim Akrams every generation, but you will produce solid bowlers who keep the Pakistan team competitive.
 
Talent is the same at an average in any geography or era. Of course, the population would make a difference.

But what really matters is how you nurture the talent and system around it. If Pakistan starts nurturing cricket properly at school level, concentrating on technique etc, there will be excellent batsmen coming out Pakistan.

Tendulkars, Kohlis, Akrams and Imran Khans are exceptions, because they are freaks of nature with added work ethic. You might not produce Wasim Akrams every generation, but you will produce solid bowlers who keep the Pakistan team competitive.

That is what we are not doing and never will so there is no point going on about our so called talent. IK was not a freak talent at all. He was not a natural fast bowler but became one through effort and hard work. Sachin and Kohli are naturally great batsmen.
 
I think Pakistan is one or two selections away from picking maybe not a great batsmen but a stable batsmen that can anchor the innings and support Babur and Fakhar on the other to atleast chip in a 50. Now if we had played Saud, Rizwan or Saad the results in the last test match would be in Pakistan’s favor by now. This combined with Pakistan’s unpredictability should be enough for a world cup win.
 
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