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Let me say one thing. I was born in Karachi Pakistan and I am not a refugee as I was already in Pakistan. Then why, like millions, would I identify myself as a Muhajir?

Personally speaking, I find this term demeaning and degrading.

No Brit of Pakistani origin would like to be called 'Refugee' [literal meaning of Muhajir].

Also, all the people who moved to India in 1947 do not call themelves Muhajir's either.

So who is driving the use of this term and why are we accepting this?
 
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TBH Altaf Hussain is the biggest reason this term is alive he and all the MQM leaders always identified themselves as Muahjir instead of Karachi walas or some other terms like Urdu speaking etc and they used this term to secure their votebank.

Jiay Muhajir, Jiay Altaf remained the most popular slogan of Karachi for last 4 decades
 
I absolutely hate it when someone calls me Muhajir... it makes me feel like an outsider in my own country.
 
TBH Altaf Hussain is the biggest reason this term is alive he and all the MQM leaders always identified themselves as Muahjir instead of Karachi walas or some other terms like Urdu speaking etc and they used this term to secure their votebank.

Jiay Muhajir, Jiay Altaf remained the most popular slogan of Karachi for last 4 decades

And I question the intelligence of those who support him for this term
 
TBH Altaf Hussain is the biggest reason this term is alive he and all the MQM leaders always identified themselves as Muahjir instead of Karachi walas or some other terms like Urdu speaking etc and they used this term to secure their votebank.

Jiay Muhajir, Jiay Altaf remained the most popular slogan of Karachi for last 4 decades

Altaf is no more and MQM will be non-exiting after election. And if it is used by other leaders then it is used to provoke racism.

If you are <70 yrs and was born in Pakistan then you aren't Muhajir anymore.
 
I don't like it but it has stuck and given us identity . Its all good now .If urdu speakers can unite under one term that who do others have problems with it . Lets talk about more relevant issues, like why can't Karachi be a province when Hazara is cool with most people.
 
Also, all the people who moved to India in 1947 do not call themelves Muhajir's either.

I think there is little reason for Punjabi and Bengali Hindus who left Pakistan and are now living in India to use an Arabic word to describe themselves.
 
"Muhajirun" designates the first converts of the prophet Muhammad (s), who, under hardships from the pagans/idolaters, had to move from Mekka to Madina, then Yathrib ; the muhajirs in the same way designate those who have abandoned all they had in India (many were upper/middle class U.P.ites, generally the élite of their region) for the idea of an Islamic state, the only republic to have been founded in the name of Islam.

So basically it was initially a highly laudatory term, but has taken twisted turns over the years, because of petty politics.
 
While we are having this Muhajir debate an interesting point to note is that those who came from Indian side of Punjab during partition were never identified as Muhajirs but those who came from UP, Behar, Delhi etc were given this title.

Nawaz Sharif family and Imran's mother family both came from Indian Punjab.
 
While we are having this Muhajir debate an interesting point to note is that those who came from Indian side of Punjab during partition were never identified as Muhajirs but those who came from UP, Behar, Delhi etc were given this title.

Nawaz Sharif family and Imran's mother family both came from Indian Punjab.

Because they were Punjabis or Pashtuns, and you traditionally found the same "clans and tribes" on the other side. Groups like Arains (to which Wasim Akram belongs), Janjua Rajputs, etc have wholly converted to Islam too.

On the other hand it's hard from someone from Bihar to have relatives/relations in Punjab or Sindh.
 
While we are having this Muhajir debate an interesting point to note is that those who came from Indian side of Punjab during partition were never identified as Muhajirs but those who came from UP, Behar, Delhi etc were given this title.

Nawaz Sharif family and Imran's mother family both came from Indian Punjab.

Could it be because the UP/Biharis who migrated to Pak were too different to locals in terms of looks, culture and language?

I once met a Pak girl in US whose grand parents were from Chennai. It seems here grand parents still speak Tamil at home.
 
Because they were Punjabis or Pashtuns, and you traditionally found the same "clans and tribes" on the other side. Groups like Arains (to which Wasim Akram belongs), Janjua Rajputs, etc have wholly converted to Islam too.

On the other hand it's hard from someone from Bihar to have relatives/relations in Punjab or Sindh.

Now that's a good point and we already had Kashmiris settled in Punjab even before partition.
 
Could it be because the UP/Biharis who migrated to Pak were too different to locals in terms of looks, culture and language?

I once met a Pak girl in US whose grand parents were from Chennai. It seems here grand parents still speak Tamil at home.

Yea that's possibly a factor they were very different and enkidu above also raised a very good point that the Punjabis and Pashtun who came from other side had the same "clans and tribes" so it was alot easier for them to mix up.
 
Now that's a good point and we already had Kashmiris settled in Punjab even before partition.

Kashmiris fled the Dogra rule mainly I think, but there are also questions of drought/economic opportunities. All the 'Butts' in Punjab, who have become part of Punjabi folklore, are such migrants.

It's also interesting that Punjabi Hindus from today's Pak mainly fled to urban centers like New Delhi instead of Indian Punjab, already being urban middle class pre Partition, it was logical. I guess it helped them, otherwise don't know if Virat Kohli, Shikhar Dhawan, the Bollywood actors, etc would have had the facilities to be where they're now, had they chosen Indian Punjab.
 
Muhajir or Mohajir (Arabic: مهاجر‎ muhājir; pl. مهاجرون muhājirūn) is an Arabic word meaning emigrant. In English, this term and its derivatives have been applied to a number of groups and individuals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhajir

What's your point? It's a common word in Urdu and like many words in many languages it's derived from another language, in this case it's Arabic.
 
Kashmiris fled the Dogra rule mainly I think, but there are also questions of drought/economic opportunities. All the 'Butts' in Punjab, who have become part of Punjabi folklore, are such migrants.

It's also interesting that Punjabi Hindus from today's Pak mainly fled to urban centers like New Delhi instead of Indian Punjab, already being urban middle class pre Partition, it was logical. I guess it helped them, otherwise don't know if Virat Kohli, Shikhar Dhawan, the Bollywood actors, etc would have had the facilities to be where they're now, had they chosen Indian Punjab.

Yea Butt are also ethnic Kashmiris and Nawaz Sharif wife is from Butt family. Khawajas also mentioned their Kashmiri roots. Delhi have this Punjabi touch in it i guess it's due to that Punjabi hindu migration during partition?
 
Now that's a good point and we already had Kashmiris settled in Punjab even before partition.
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I've read up about the history of kashmiris in punjab and found out that we were discriminated against intially, like we weren't allowed to own land and the British didn't let us join the military. Also a lot of the native Punjabi castes still don't let their sisters or daughters marry Kashmiri men even though the inverse is quite common.
 
What's your point? It's a common word in Urdu and like many words in many languages it's derived from another language, in this case it's Arabic.

It may be used in Urdu. But it is an Arabic word like many words in Urdu.
 
Yea Butt are also ethnic Kashmiris and Nawaz Sharif wife is from Butt family. Khawajas also mentioned their Kashmiri roots. Delhi have this Punjabi touch in it i guess it's due to that Punjabi hindu migration during partition?

Yep. When you see a "Kohli", "Dhawan", "Kapoor", "Malhotra", etc these are all Punjabi of Khatri caste names.
 
It may be used in Urdu. But it is an Arabic word like many words in Urdu.

It's still considered an Urdu word. Punjab is a persian word. Pretty much every word we use in any language originates from another language, linguistics isn't your forte.
 
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I've read up about the history of kashmiris in punjab and found out that we were discriminated against intially, like we weren't allowed to own land and the British didn't let us join the military. Also a lot of the native Punjabi castes still don't let their sisters or daughters marry Kashmiri men even though the inverse is quite common.

Discrimination part i do agree i still hear offensive remarks regularly here in Punjab about Kashmirs and most of those remarks are related to "trust"
 
Discrimination part i do agree i still hear offensive remarks regularly here in Punjab about Kashmirs and most of those remarks are related to "trust"

yeah we're stereotyped as gangsters and the prominent punjabi tribes look down on us. You would rarely see a kashmiri guy married to a Punjabi woman from one of the so called "martial races".
 
Yep. When you see a "Kohli", "Dhawan", "Kapoor", "Malhotra", etc these are all Punjabi of Khatri caste names.

I see...so some of these Kapoors settled in Peshawar during Ranjeet Singh times? Like all these Pashto speaking modern Sikhs of Peshawar?
 
yeah we're stereotyped as gangsters and the prominent punjabi tribes look down on us. You would rarely see a kashmiri guy married to a Punjabi woman from one of the so called "martial races".

Martial races were mostly the North Punjabis. (Chakwal, Khushab, Rawalpndi, Attock etc)
 
I see...so some of these Kapoors settled in Peshawar during Ranjeet Singh times? Like all these Pashto speaking modern Sikhs of Peshawar?

I don't know the details, but yeah, there are no "Pathan" Hindus or Sikhs basically, they're nearly always ethnic Punjabis of the Khatri caste, not ethnic Pashtuns.

Peshawar had a sizeable non Pashtun pop. until recently. The famous Bollywood director of the 50s/60s, known for his "Marxist/intellectual movies", Zia Sarhadi, was born as Fazle Qadir Sethi in Peshawar, "Sethi" being a Punjabi-Khatri name.
 
Yea Butt are also ethnic Kashmiris and Nawaz Sharif wife is from Butt family. Khawajas also mentioned their Kashmiri roots. Delhi have this Punjabi touch in it i guess it's due to that Punjabi hindu migration during partition?

Yes w.r.t Hindu Punjabis, also there was lot of govn help w.r.t refugees in Delhi when they came from.partition, almost every part of Delhi had ppl from some part in Pakistan, speaking diff dialects and West Delhi has mainly ppl from Pakistan Punjab.

It's changing now with influx of people from Bihar and UP, no more a Punjabi dominated city as it once was, but that's way of life surely before 1947 it was different.
 
I don't know the details, but yeah, there are no "Pathan" Hindus or Sikhs basically, they're nearly always ethnic Punjabis of the Khatri caste, not ethnic Pashtuns.

Peshawar had a sizeable non Pashtun pop. until recently. The famous Bollywood director of the 50s/60s, known for his "Marxist/intellectual movies", Zia Sarhadi, was born as Fazle Qadir Sethi in Peshawar, "Sethi" being a Punjabi-Khatri name.

In think these Punjabis settled in Peshawar and Hazara during Ranjeet Singh times.
 
Yes w.r.t Hindu Punjabis, also there was lot of govn help w.r.t refugees in Delhi when they came from.partition, almost every part of Delhi had ppl from some part in Pakistan, speaking diff dialects and West Delhi has mainly ppl from Pakistan Punjab.

It's changing now with influx of people from Bihar and UP, no more a Punjabi dominated city as it once was, but that's way of life surely before 1947 it was different.

Yea that's the way of life and Karachi is another example it's the capital of Sindh but Sindhis are not even in the top 3 ethnic groups living in Karachi.

Karachi = Urdu Speaking > Pathan > Punjabi > Sindhi > Balochs
 
It's still considered an Urdu word. Punjab is a persian word. Pretty much every word we use in any language originates from another language, linguistics isn't your forte.

Just because we use English words lavishly in Telugu does not make those words Telugu. They are still words borrowed from English.

Give credit to the original source.
 
Just because we use English words lavishly in Telugu does not make those words Telugu. They are still words borrowed from English.

Give credit to the original source.

It isn't comparable cause that word is integral to Urdu. There are English loan words in Urdu that are considered part of the language now, like there isn't an alternative to the word "hospital" in Urdu. I don't know what telugu is or care to know, you have a weak understanding of linguistics.
 
It's still considered an Urdu word. Punjab is a persian word. Pretty much every word we use in any language originates from another language, linguistics isn't your forte.

And it's neither yours, when a word is duplicated it's loaned it's not same as having a root.

Go search what root means first.
 
Does Muslim migrants from Rajasthan also considered as 'Muhajirs' in Pakistan?
 
It's still considered an Urdu word. Punjab is a persian word. Pretty much every word we use in any language originates from another language, linguistics isn't your forte.

What? "Pretty much every word" in Sanskrit originates from another language?

Hindus, unlike Muslims, have little knowledge about the Islamic Prophet's Mohammad's emigration from Mecca to Medina, so they are very unlikely to have any knowledge of the word Muhajir.

Languages like Hindi, Bengali, Marathi are based on Sanskrit, which itself is based on the original Proto-Indo-European language which existed about 5,000 years or so ago. That is where their vocabulary mainly comes from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
 
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Kashmiris fled the Dogra rule mainly I think, but there are also questions of drought/economic opportunities. All the 'Butts' in Punjab, who have become part of Punjabi folklore, are such migrants.

It's also interesting that Punjabi Hindus from today's Pak mainly fled to urban centers like New Delhi instead of Indian Punjab, already being urban middle class pre Partition, it was logical. I guess it helped them, otherwise don't know if Virat Kohli, Shikhar Dhawan, the Bollywood actors, etc would have had the facilities to be where they're now, had they chosen Indian Punjab.

I think many influential among those Bollywood Stars migrated to Bombay after the partition or already had a few contacts in Bombay and a few others followed. Dont think those migrants went to Delhi and then to Bombay and went on to dominate Bollywood. But Delhi did receive many migrants from Pak Punjab just not the Bolly Stars who made their home in Bombay.

I wonder what route the Hindus from Sindh followed during the partitoon as an overwhelming majority of them today are based in Bombay , many were already traders and merchants prior to partition with business links to Bombay. Also read about Ships carrying the migrants from Sindh to Bombay through the coastal route.
 
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As has been pointed out, it is crucial to understand that the term has important religious connotations. Of course the term comes from those faithful who accompanied the Prophet in his migration (Hijrah) from Mecca to Medina. The Islamic era commences, not from when the Prophet is born, nor even with the first revelation of the Qur’an. Instead the Islamic calendar begins with the Hijrah. Being a Muhajir is therefore a matter of pride indicating sacrifice for Islam. The stigma in the West associated with the term refugee is therefore absent in the Islamic world.

Nevertheless, it is still a legitimate question to ask as to why this identity persisted in places such as Karachi and Hyderabad in a way in which it did not in the Punjab, which in fact witnessed greater migratory flows.

We must turn to history. Part of the reason surely was that the distance between refugees and the locals in Sindh seemed greater in terms of culture, language and life-style than the Punjab. The initial perceptions that many refugees had of the local population was that they were traditional and backward. Sindh was the land where Pirs occupied a central place like no where else on the Indian subcontinent. Many refugees identified themselves more with the themes that underpinned Islamic modernism. The Pakistan movement was spearheaded by Muslim modernists, who held the whip hand in the early years of Pakistan. Modernists Muslims have sought, since the nineteenth century, to recover the ‘sprit of Islam’ freed from ‘blind’ imitation of medieval authorities. ‘Authentic’ Islam for them, is recovered through a fresh reading of Islam’s foundational texts, especially the Qur’an, unmediated by the ulama. Such leaders had always shown an unease with aspects of shrine based Islam which seemed to conflict with their own perception of a rational, this worldly Islam.

Secondly, compared with the Punjab, the rehabilitation of refugees in Karachi was a much slower process. In 1955 the authorities in Karachi carried out a census of people to determine who were still living on the city’s pavements or in undeveloped colonies. The great majority of the estimated 800,000 were refugees. The sense of frustration, especially with how land was allotted, is revealed by a poem by Majeed Lahori as cited by Sarah Ansari on her work on Sindh:

Land was allotted and factory was allotted,
And along with it leadership was allotted to you.

You are the one who has been allotted every happiness,
And I am the one who has been allotted poverty.

Those who were rich are owners of buildings,
The poor citizen has been allotted vagrancy.

My amazed eyes have also seen it happen,
That those who were robbers were allotted leadership.

Those who could not qualify as clerics before,
By God’s glory were allotted post of officers.

During this era of allotment, O Majeed,
I could not get a house but was allotted poetry.

Thirdly, we must take note of the declining political fortunes of many of the elite refugees. Whilst many refugees had settled in squatter communities, there was a Muhajir elite, which dominated the Muslim League and higher bureaucracy in the newly created Pakistan. For instance in 1973 Muhajirs filled about a third of the positions in the Bureaucracy despite being less than one tenth of the population. Muhajirs were also dominant in business led by Gujarati speaking migrants from Bombay. This position of dominance was to however diminish. The shift of the capital city to Islamabad also signalled to Muhajir community a blowing of a new wind. This feeling was to intensify under the Zulfiqur Ali Bhutto period. Nationalisation hurt Muhajir business interests. The introduction of quotas in administration and the introduction of the Sindhi language into the schools of Sindh also undermined Muhajir interests.

Fourthly, the Muslim League in the 1940s propagated an idea of Pakistan that did not have strong geographic moorings. Unity was to be based not so much on geography but simply on belonging to a shared religion.With the coming of Zulfiqur Ali Bhutto, a more territorial notion of Pakistan emerged, where there was an effort to define a Pakistani identity as being one fundamentally rooted in its geography and its unique history. This was a vision of Pakistan as a nation grounded in historic and regional cultures. Concomitant with this the Bhuttos had worshiped regularly at the shrine of Lal Shabaz Qalandar, in Sehwan Sharif. Though we should not overstate the argument, folk culture was given far more attention, than hitherto had been the case by elite Pakistani leadership.

Of course such a vision whilst enthusiastically embraced by many also unsettled the Muhajirs of Sindh, who as migrants could be conceived as a people without a deep attachment to the current land of Pakistan. The Muhajirs who saw themselves as representing a moral community, one that left their homes for the idea of Pakistan, that had sacrificed a great deal for an ideal, saw this as a threatening development and the adoption of the Muhajir label was at least a partial effort to claim an identity and distinctive place for themselves in Pakistan. As one MQM activist told Anatol Lieven:

“When the MQM was created, there was a crisis of identity for all those like us who had migrated from India. We felt that we had no identity because we had no land of our own, unlike the Sindhis, Punjabis or Pathans. But the MQM gave us our identity, and if I could describe it in one sentence, the MQM is a passion for us. Identity is self-respect, freedom, honour. I now feel that I am also something, that there are some things that are in my hands, that I am helping my community to solve their problems, if only in a small way.”
 
I think many influential among those Bollywood Stars migrated to Bombay after the partition or already had a few contacts in Bombay and a few others followed. Dont think those migrants went to Delhi and then to Bombay and went on to dominate Bollywood. But Delhi did receive many migrants from Pak Punjab just not the Bolly Stars who made their home in Bombay.

I wonder what route the Hindus from Sindh followed during the partitoon as an overwhelming majority of them today are based in Bombay , many were already traders and merchants prior to partition with business links to Bombay. Also read about Ships carrying the migrants from Sindh to Bombay through the coastal route.

Actually I didn't express myself correctly. I wasn't referring to the filmy fraternity (who of course went to Bombay/Mumbai), but the likes of Kohli/Dhawan, it was basically an open question, that if their parents chose Indian Punjab instead of New Delhi, if they would have had the same careers, considering the different facilities/opportunities.

Yeah I think Sindhis went to Bombay, but they didn't have a region culturally and ethnically similar (unlike Punjabis Hindus/Sikhs, Sindhis didn't have an "eastern" Sindh), so I guess that's why they chose India's prime economic center, themselves also being, like the Khatris of Punjab, a mainly urban/middle class group.
 
As has been pointed out, it is crucial to understand that the term has important religious connotations. Of course the term comes from those faithful who accompanied the Prophet in his migration (Hijrah) from Mecca to Medina. The Islamic era commences, not from when the Prophet is born, nor even with the first revelation of the Qur’an. Instead the Islamic calendar begins with the Hijrah. Being a Muhajir is therefore a matter of pride indicating sacrifice for Islam. The stigma in the West associated with the term refugee is therefore absent in the Islamic world.

Nevertheless, it is still a legitimate question to ask as to why this identity persisted in places such as Karachi and Hyderabad in a way in which it did not in the Punjab, which in fact witnessed greater migratory flows.

We must turn to history. Part of the reason surely was that the distance between refugees and the locals in Sindh seemed greater in terms of culture, language and life-style than the Punjab. The initial perceptions that many refugees had of the local population was that they were traditional and backward. Sindh was the land where Pirs occupied a central place like no where else on the Indian subcontinent. Many refugees identified themselves more with the themes that underpinned Islamic modernism. The Pakistan movement was spearheaded by Muslim modernists, who held the whip hand in the early years of Pakistan. Modernists Muslims have sought, since the nineteenth century, to recover the ‘sprit of Islam’ freed from ‘blind’ imitation of medieval authorities. ‘Authentic’ Islam for them, is recovered through a fresh reading of Islam’s foundational texts, especially the Qur’an, unmediated by the ulama. Such leaders had always shown an unease with aspects of shrine based Islam which seemed to conflict with their own perception of a rational, this worldly Islam.

Secondly, compared with the Punjab, the rehabilitation of refugees in Karachi was a much slower process. In 1955 the authorities in Karachi carried out a census of people to determine who were still living on the city’s pavements or in undeveloped colonies. The great majority of the estimated 800,000 were refugees. The sense of frustration, especially with how land was allotted, is revealed by a poem by Majeed Lahori as cited by Sarah Ansari on her work on Sindh:

Land was allotted and factory was allotted,
And along with it leadership was allotted to you.

You are the one who has been allotted every happiness,
And I am the one who has been allotted poverty.

Those who were rich are owners of buildings,
The poor citizen has been allotted vagrancy.

My amazed eyes have also seen it happen,
That those who were robbers were allotted leadership.

Those who could not qualify as clerics before,
By God’s glory were allotted post of officers.

During this era of allotment, O Majeed,
I could not get a house but was allotted poetry.

Thirdly, we must take note of the declining political fortunes of many of the elite refugees. Whilst many refugees had settled in squatter communities, there was a Muhajir elite, which dominated the Muslim League and higher bureaucracy in the newly created Pakistan. For instance in 1973 Muhajirs filled about a third of the positions in the Bureaucracy despite being less than one tenth of the population. Muhajirs were also dominant in business led by Gujarati speaking migrants from Bombay. This position of dominance was to however diminish. The shift of the capital city to Islamabad also signalled to Muhajir community a blowing of a new wind. This feeling was to intensify under the Zulfiqur Ali Bhutto period. Nationalisation hurt Muhajir business interests. The introduction of quotas in administration and the introduction of the Sindhi language into the schools of Sindh also undermined Muhajir interests.

Fourthly, the Muslim League in the 1940s propagated an idea of Pakistan that did not have strong geographic moorings. Unity was to be based not so much on geography but simply on belonging to a shared religion.With the coming of Zulfiqur Ali Bhutto, a more territorial notion of Pakistan emerged, where there was an effort to define a Pakistani identity as being one fundamentally rooted in its geography and its unique history. This was a vision of Pakistan as a nation grounded in historic and regional cultures. Concomitant with this the Bhuttos had worshiped regularly at the shrine of Lal Shabaz Qalandar, in Sehwan Sharif. Though we should not overstate the argument, folk culture was given far more attention, than hitherto had been the case by elite Pakistani leadership.

Of course such a vision whilst enthusiastically embraced by many also unsettled the Muhajirs of Sindh, who as migrants could be conceived as a people without a deep attachment to the current land of Pakistan. The Muhajirs who saw themselves as representing a moral community, one that left their homes for the idea of Pakistan, that had sacrificed a great deal for an ideal, saw this as a threatening development and the adoption of the Muhajir label was at least a partial effort to claim an identity and distinctive place for themselves in Pakistan. As one MQM activist told Anatol Lieven:

“When the MQM was created, there was a crisis of identity for all those like us who had migrated from India. We felt that we had no identity because we had no land of our own, unlike the Sindhis, Punjabis or Pathans. But the MQM gave us our identity, and if I could describe it in one sentence, the MQM is a passion for us. Identity is self-respect, freedom, honour. I now feel that I am also something, that there are some things that are in my hands, that I am helping my community to solve their problems, if only in a small way.”

Great insightful post as always. Thanks!
 
To be honest, I didn't even know Muhajir meant refugee. I proudly called myself a Muhajir all my life:128:
 
TBH Altaf Hussain is the biggest reason this term is alive he and all the MQM leaders always identified themselves as Muahjir instead of Karachi walas or some other terms like Urdu speaking etc and they used this term to secure their votebank.

Jiay Muhajir, Jiay Altaf remained the most popular slogan of Karachi for last 4 decades

I agree.Nowadays I don't seen anyone playing the Muhajir card except MQM/PSP.

This term should have died out 60 years ago.
 
Apart from this word's usage by karachi folks, this muhajir tag is seen as a slur amongst senior punjabis. Because they were not treated well in the 40's/50's and were exploited very much during land distribution thus sowing the seeds for huge inferiority complex for the people. But then the race issue might not have been as severe for them like the bihari's in karachi & they had the luxury to integrate far more easily than the bihari immigrants.

My grandfather is not bitter anymore but i remember like 20 years ago, he would just rant about those years & the injtsice & humilitation the ex-indian punjabis had to go thru to settle here in pakistani punjab. Even now he & guys his age refer to indian punjab as "Des" and they are not aware of it when they say this. Maybe in their subsconscious mind the "des" is still their home where they spent a lot of their formative years & good times.

I just recently saw a Tariq Aziz clip about his father's experience post-partition & it was intense. That reminded me about my dada's story although he was way less intense than tariq aziz in that clip.
 
Apart from this word's usage by karachi folks, this muhajir tag is seen as a slur amongst senior punjabis. Because they were not treated well in the 40's/50's and were exploited very much during land distribution thus sowing the seeds for huge inferiority complex for the people. But then the race issue might not have been as severe for them like the bihari's in karachi & they had the luxury to integrate far more easily than the bihari immigrants.

My grandfather is not bitter anymore but i remember like 20 years ago, he would just rant about those years & the injtsice & humilitation the ex-indian punjabis had to go thru to settle here in pakistani punjab. Even now he & guys his age refer to indian punjab as "Des" and they are not aware of it when they say this. Maybe in their subsconscious mind the "des" is still their home where they spent a lot of their formative years & good times.

I just recently saw a Tariq Aziz clip about his father's experience post-partition & it was intense. That reminded me about my dada's story although he was way less intense than tariq aziz in that clip.
I came across this thread where this Kashmiri Punjabi guy from Gujranwala claimed another Punjabi jatt guy from Faisalabad wasn't a "son of the soil" as his grandparents migrated from Indian Punjab. Lol @ the irony.
 
I came across this thread where this Kashmiri Punjabi guy from Gujranwala claimed another Punjabi jatt guy from Faisalabad wasn't a "son of the soil" as his grandparents migrated from Indian Punjab. Lol @ the irony.

Lol that was exactly the attitude of folks back in 40's/50's. Even their punjabi is more kadak than us & puts our punjabi to shame.
 
If someone uses a term that is meant in offence, the recipient still has a choice to be offended. With a little work, one can choose not to be, thereby taking power away from those using the term, in this case Muhajir.
 
Yes, their accents are thicker. Pakistani Punjabi sounds feminine when you compare both.

Lol would you say Pakistani Punjabi sounds more sophisticated? That's the impression I get from relatives, I feel like Indian Punjabi comes off as a little too rustic.
 
Could it be because the UP/Biharis who migrated to Pak were too different to locals in terms of looks, culture and language?

I once met a Pak girl in US whose grand parents were from Chennai. It seems here grand parents still speak Tamil at home.

This is one of the reason. They came from different areas and settle mostly at one place...Ironically those Muslims living in UP, were asking for new country more so than the locals in Pakistan, since they were already in majority...

Other reason this ethnicity got created was because they all(mostly) settle at one place, this was probably done by the likes of Liquait Ali Khan and Co because they did not had a base in new country, they wanted to make a political base...That's not the only reason(may not be the main), most people came from the other side left everything they had(land, jobs and homes), they could not go back to agriculture, since they did not had land. If Govt had forced others to give up land, it could have been civil war, not something that easy. They practically can only settle in cities. Karachi was only port city and biggest one, plus that had most of the industries(still is) at the time, that was best place to find labor...There were multiple reasons that led to conc of people from UP/Bhair to Karachi...Also Punjabis settled in Lahore and other cities in Punjab, that was relatively easy move and they could fuse over time...Many people have moved from rural to urban areas in last 70 years, it was like 80/20 spread, now its probably 60/40...

BTW: Migration from India to Pakistan was more than from Pakistan to India, even though India was 3/4 times bigger country. Burden on Pakistan of influx of migrants was lot more than on India...There is a reason we study for 12 years, in PAK studies, "Pakistan's init problems" ;-)
 
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