Pakistan-India war: The question of what constitutes as serious damage in warfare and providing proof

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946483243861107023

Bombshell revelation by Trump. He confirms 5 jets were shot down, and it is widely speculated that those 5 jets were from the Indian side. There is a strong reason why the PAF Air Marshall was gloating about 6-0 in the ISPR briefings…

The way Trump has had to explain this suggests that the shooting down of jets, 5 of them, yes 5 of them made the US (a intermediary party) consider this war escalating to a serious point. ‘This is a heavy blow! This requires mediation. This could get out of control’.

So, here is clear proof that the US saw Pakistan’s retaliatory aggression as the upper hand, serious blow to the Indian armed forces. They had to step in and force a de-escalation


But Indians like @….(I forgot the name of the bloke who wants satellite image proof of Military bases being struck by Missiles) will argue that the satellite imagery of a hole in an air base is proof… which Pakistan doesn’t have to show for Indian damage.


I think Pakistan have won this war handsomely. Sorry 5 jets lost trying to avenge what?? 4 idiots who still haven’t been caught in Kashmir??

 

[mazkhan]

There's nothing to be surprised about iaf ceased operations immediately after and was grounded for 2 days

The indian military then resorted to drones and missiles strikes including the deadly brahmos
Goaded pakistan for a few days before pakistan hit back and Trump came to save them or the region from nuclear armageddon the whole operation was usa israel india to test pakistans resolve whether the nuclear bluff is real they found out pakistan wasn't gonna mess around and use that option .

Now that has failed they've gone back to taliban khan , goldsmith grandchildren and ethnofascist namak haramis and balochis to weaken pakistan again for that army needs to take its gloves off and follow middleeastern and african conflicts and inflict extreme brutality on these people .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Modi hai toh mumkin hai.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But but Swamy is lying.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, this explains why Modi agreed to the ceasefire back then?

 

[sweep_shot]

India lost 5-7 jets, at least 250 soldiers, and got some bases damaged (including S-400s). I also suspect Shivangi Singh died in this conflict as she hasn't been seen in public since the war.

India is yet to catch those Pahalgam attackers. They don't even know the identities of those attackers. So, there are two possibilities - 1) it was a false flag from Modi, or 2) Indian intelligence is highly incompetent.

In a nutshell, India have suffered decisive defeat.

 

[Rana]

You lost 5 jets

And you didn’t locate 4 terrorists in Kashmir


Who are you fooling?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You lost 5 jets

And you didn’t locate 4 terrorists in Kashmir


Who are you fooling?

Innocent andhbhakhts like Raju, Devdaas, etc.

 

[straighttalk]

There's nothing to be surprised about iaf ceased operations immediately after and was grounded for 2 days

The indian military then resorted to drones and missiles strikes including the deadly brahmos
Goaded pakistan for a few days before pakistan hit back and Trump came to save them or the region from nuclear armageddon the whole operation was usa israel india to test pakistans resolve whether the nuclear bluff is real they found out pakistan wasn't gonna mess around and use that option .

Now that has failed they've gone back to taliban khan , goldsmith grandchildren and ethnofascist namak haramis and balochis to weaken pakistan again for that army needs to take its gloves off and follow middleeastern and african conflicts and inflict extreme brutality on these people .

So Pakistan decimated india which has a no first use policy...then Paksitan decided to use nukes which is only when they are totally screwed..make sense..please carry on.

 

[straighttalk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946483243861107023

Bombshell revelation by Trump. He confirms 5 jets were shot down, and it is widely speculated that those 5 jets were from the Indian side. There is a strong reason why the PAF Air Marshall was gloating about 6-0 in the ISPR briefings…

The way Trump has had to explain this suggests that the shooting down of jets, 5 of them, yes 5 of them made the US (a intermediary party) consider this war escalating to a serious point. ‘This is a heavy blow! This requires mediation. This could get out of control’.

So, here is clear proof that the US saw Pakistan’s retaliatory aggression as the upper hand, serious blow to the Indian armed forces. They had to step in and force a de-escalation


But Indians like @….(I forgot the name of the bloke who wants satellite image proof of Military bases being struck by Missiles) will argue that the satellite imagery of a hole in an air base is proof… which Pakistan doesn’t have to show for Indian damage.


I think Pakistan have won this war handsomely. Sorry 5 jets lost trying to avenge what?? 4 idiots who still haven’t been caught in Kashmir??

So the five dummy XGuard were shot down on first night..hence aurangazeb was harping on radar signals and nothing else..no video of wreckage explosions in sky missile shells etc..

But the war continues for three more days with more air bases on Pak side ripped apart..so much so that Pak was calling nuclear council meeting in panic...that part you got right

Question is how come PAF can't protect its own base against a air force that is crippled by losing five or six....looks like a total loser move
..

Btw look up XGuard..will explain everything..

As for Trump's comment..you are right..as the losses on PAF side are immense. See Google Ais summary of the Internet s assessment

 

[amax]

Timing is crucial , Monday is the Indian parliament session , could be a "regime change operation" , but better planned/subtle than done with other countries in the region.Modi has really botched "Operation Sandoor".

 

[Rana]

So the five dummy XGuard were shot down on first night..hence aurangazeb was harping on radar signals and nothing else..no video of wreckage explosions in sky missile shells etc..

But the war continues for three more days with more air bases on Pak side ripped apart..so much so that Pak was calling nuclear council meeting in panic...that part you got right

Question is how come PAF can't protect its own base against a air force that is crippled by losing five or six or whatever a politician dreams up....looks like a total loser move
..

Btw look up XGuard..will explain everything..

As for Trump's comment..you are right..as the losses on PAF side are immense. See Google Ais summary of the Internet s assessment

Oh rehnde yaar

Bas karde

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It was very obvious by the Indian immediate censorship and subsequent disinformation campaign what happened.

 

[RexRex]

So the five dummy XGuard were shot down on first night..hence aurangazeb was harping on radar signals and nothing else..no video of wreckage explosions in sky missile shells etc..

But the war continues for three more days with more air bases on Pak side ripped apart..so much so that Pak was calling nuclear council meeting in panic...that part you got right

Question is how come PAF can't protect its own base against a air force that is crippled by losing five or six....looks like a total loser move
..

Btw look up XGuard..will explain everything..

As for Trump's comment..you are right..as the losses on PAF side are immense. See Google Ais summary of the Internet s assessment

XGuard aka Rafale decoys. It's a real possibility.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

XGuard aka Rafale decoys. It's a real possibility.

When the Indian army and Air Force admitted their losses did they mean they lost decoys?

 

[mazkhan]

So Pakistan decimated india which has a no first use policy...then Paksitan decided to use nukes which is only when they are totally screwed..make sense..please carry on.

India attacked pakistan , India lost aircraft including the prized rafale.

India then changed tactics and started using missiles and drones goading pakistan for sometime

Pakistan heated up the loc and started sending drones into India

India then decided to hit pak military bases

Pakistan responded hitting India and was ready to go nuclear

Trump came running to help the crying indians and declared a ceasefire himself

India then did a sneak attack and hit more pakistan airforce bases

Does that make sense

 

[RexRex]

When the Indian army and Air Force admitted their losses did they mean they lost decoys?

They admitted some loss but rejected the number which Pakistan put out.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They admitted some loss but rejected the number which Pakistan put out.

How many do you think were "some loss" , they have admitted to and how many were decoys?

 

[RexRex]

How many do you think were "some loss" , they have admitted to and how many were decoys?

How am I supposed to know ?

There are a couple of recent articles in the indian media about XGuard and its possible use in Sindhoor hence why I mentioned it here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How am I supposed to know ?

There are a couple of recent articles in the indian media about XGuard and its possible use in Sindhoor hence why I mentioned it here.

It seems rather convenient.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Will Modi deny it and tell the actual number?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Hahaha…the fascists hindutva’s on SM are now claiming what their own military/government has never claimed.

The level of mental gymnastics is on another level…

 

[sweep_shot]

Hahaha…the fascists hindutva’s on SM are now claiming what their own military/government has never claimed.

The level of mental gymnastics is on another level…

There is one simple word to describe them. The word is "stupid".

 

[RexRex]

It seems rather convenient.

The Hindu is an excellent newspaper.. If I had to guess, the original tweet put out on the very first morning by them, which they later deleted, was likely the most accurate information we have on this..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The Hindu is an excellent newspaper.. If I had to guess, the original tweet put out on the very first morning by them, which they later deleted, was likely the most accurate information we have on this..

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So you feel it could be three actual planes and then two dummies to make 5?

To be perfectly honest Indian story seems to be all over the place here and the decoy stuff seems extraordinary. It's the same yarn the Iranians were trying to spin when the Israelis took out some of their aircraft.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What's your take on this? Is Trump lying just like Swamy? Or is the entire world lying, except the biggest liar himself? Sab changa si or not?


@Devadwal
@Rajdeep
@uppercut ( )

 

[Devadwal]

I thought india lost 6 jets

 

[Devadwal]

Btw I already said PAF lost 4-5 jets( can give details) and india Only 1 or Max 2. Nobal peace prize nomenie must counting both of them.

 

[JaDed]

I guess Trump is the greatest source of truth, will remember it for future on his one news every hour what he ssys about Epstein to Israel to China.

 

[straighttalk]

When the Indian army and Air Force admitted their losses did they mean they lost decoys?

Yes if they go around saying. XGuard..China will be better prepared....hence the statements like


There were losses but all pilots are safe
No wreckage has been found..simply impossible in country or Indias size
No videos on Pak side or India side of explosions in night sky like how drones and missiles were observed later in the conflict

No wreckage or air to air missiles on Pak side. Your marshall said 125 planes fought for 1 hour...how is it possible that there is literally 0 wreckage on your side of Indian missiles.

India can't claim XGuard as it's a big operational advantage..but Dassault CEO hinter at it when he said truth will be surprising

A USAF pilot who runs a popular YT channel initially accepted the PAF claims but later changed tune.

Here is the link

 

[JaDed]

Actually I just went through the statement - 4 or 5, actually he thinks it’s 5.
Definitely how information is articulated nowadays.

 

[guard]

As brothers, Pahalgam was shameful and so was the resulting aftermath…

The Enmity,manufactured by external and internal enemies to drag one country down further and make the populus of both countries carry the fire forward. We need to stop.. can we..are we able to..

 

[straighttalk]

So you feel it could be three actual planes and then two dummies to make 5?

To be perfectly honest Indian story seems to be all over the place here and the decoy stuff seems extraordinary. It's the same yarn the Iranians were trying to spin when the Israelis took out some of their aircraft.

To be honest it is the Pak number that has changed from 6 to 7 to 3 to 5 to what not. Indian statement has been consistent there has been some losses but all our pilots are safe. Pak claims are absolutely incorrect
Ofcourse losses to XGuard and drones are losses. Ofcourse a professional army needs to preserve operational advantage and they cant claim decoy as it's a massive technology to fool enemy air defense..so they can't refute it and it doesn't matter to India what PAF claims....

That's why the CDS goes out of the way to admit losses..no one is that big of a moron to keep the ruse up and slip the dummy..but the world is catching up..it's a pity he kind of let the secret out

 

[straighttalk]

What's your take on this? Is Trump lying just like Swamy? Or is the entire world lying, except the biggest liar himself? Sab changa si or not?


@Devadwal
@Rajdeep
@uppercut ( )

Let's see some one who is a known sex offender accused of rape grabs women by what not ...lies to Forbes about wealth..has multiple bankruptcy doesn't pay people and commits financial fraud

Impeached twice
Accepts plane from qatar
Makes bombastic claims
Desperately wants a noble peace prize as his biggest rival has one.
Wants limelight at all situation
Crashes Chelsea victory celebration.
Cartwheeling on Epstein

Yes his claims are totally believable. Next story please.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Let's see some one who is a known sex offender accused of rape grabs women by what not ...lies to Forbes about wealth..has multiple bankruptcy doesn't pay people and commits financial fraud

Impeached twice
Accepts plane from qatar
Makes bombastic claims
Desperately wants a noble peace prize as his biggest rival has one.
Wants limelight at all situation
Crashes Chelsea victory celebration.
Cartwheeling on Epstein

Yes his claims are totally believable. Next story please.

@straighttalk ne Trump par hi hamla karna shuru kar diya?

 

[straighttalk]

India attacked pakistan , India lost aircraft including the prized rafale.

India then changed tactics and started using missiles and drones goading pakistan for sometime

Pakistan heated up the loc and started sending drones into India

India then decided to hit pak military bases

Pakistan responded hitting India and was ready to go nuclear

Trump came running to help the crying indians and declared a ceasefire himself

India then did a sneak attack and hit more pakistan airforce bases

Does that make sense

Pakistan has said they will go nuclear when their country is attotsl risk.. either land is lost leaderhsip is decapitated or PAF is decapitated. In this case is the latter..when India showed that it can hit any airbase with whatever weapons it chose and PAF cannot protect the skies against India...the Indian air force can fire within its border and hit 11 out of 13 air bases..it's just a warning that only precision missiles in limited amount was used. That's what prompted Pak to threaten to use nukes but since everyone knows that's bs...Pak DGMO instead called for ceasefire upon US and Saudi urging as admitted on Hasan Mirs show by Ishaq Dar himself.

 

[guard]

Let's see some one who is a known sex offender accused of rape grabs women by what not ...lies to Forbes about wealth..has multiple bankruptcy doesn't pay people and commits financial fraud

Impeached twice
Accepts plane from qatar
Makes bombastic claims
Desperately wants a noble peace prize as his biggest rival has one.
Wants limelight at all situation
Crashes Chelsea victory celebration.
Cartwheeling on Epstein

Yes his claims are totally believable. Next story please.

Valid points… at this juncture trusting Trump is akin to Turkeys welcoming Thanksgiving…

1 jet, 50 jets…. Who really is the winner…

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To be honest it is the Pak number that has changed from 6 to 7 to 3 to 5 to what not. Indian statement has been consistent there has been some losses but all our pilots are safe. Pak claims are absolutely incorrect
Ofcourse losses to XGuard and drones are losses. Ofcourse a professional army needs to preserve operational advantage and they cant claim decoy as it's a massive technology to fool enemy air defense..so they can't refute it and it doesn't matter to India what PAF claims....

That's why the CDS goes out of the way to admit losses..no one is that big of a moron to keep the ruse up and slip the dummy..but the world is catching up..it's a pity he kind of let the secret out

What world is catching up?

Yesterday the economist published an article saying India has been battered and today the US president has confirmed India lost 5 jets and he had to arrange a ceasefire for them.

This is the story that is responding around the world.

Yet the Indian version of the story is they bombed some terrorist camps, captured major Pakistani cities and then initiated the world's greatest chess movie and planted decoy plane crashes?

The Indians who are trying to spin this yarn must have decoy braincells

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As brothers, Pahalgam was shameful and so was the resulting aftermath…

The Enmity,manufactured by external and internal enemies to drag one country down further and make the populus of both countries carry the fire forward. We need to stop.. can we..are we able to..

Pahalgam and the resulting aftermath was shameful only for India. Since then they have spiraled further and further.

Pakistan should not stop until there is regime change in India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I find it interesting how some Indians who once worshipped Trump are now turning against him because he is indirectly backing Pakistan by challenging Indian narratives.

Feku tried to contradict him, something Trump clearly didn't appreciate.

 

[guard]

Pahalgam and the resulting aftermath was shameful only for India. Since then they have spiraled further and further.

Pakistan should not stop until there is regime change in India.

India is well established now…Pakistan not so much.

The Establishment and its cronies needed this, they need far more heat. Pakistan needs the change in regime. We gain nothing staying as we are. We should follows Indias path and open our Economy. keep your faith personal and adhere to it.

Otherwise our great Grandchildren will be no better off..

Forget countering others lies, we need to counter the ones that being fed to us by our ruling so-called elite..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India is well established now…Pakistan not so much.

The Establishment and its cronies needed this, they need far more heat. Pakistan needs the change in regime. We gain nothing staying as we are. We should follows Indias path and open our Economy, lose the ragged dari walas and look far ahead, keep your faith personal and adhere to it.

Otherwise our great Grandchildren will be no better off..

Forget countering others lies, we need to counter the ones that being to us by our ruling so-called elite..

Establishment didn't initiate this warfare. India initiated it after a major own goal in their own Kashmir policy. After Modi tried to save face by blaming Pakistan he was dealt a swift response.

It's hard to blame Pak establishment here for what was defensive warfare.

 

[guard]

Establishment didn't initiate this warfare. India initiated it after a major own goal in their own Kashmir policy. After Modi tried to save face by blaming Pakistan he was dealt a swift response.

It's hard to blame Pak establishment here for what was defensive warfare.

India didn’t show any conclusive proof..

But the establishment is no angel either.. they are sellouts of the highest order. The only reason why Pakistan is at it is

 

[straighttalk]

@straighttalk ne Trump par hi hamla karna shuru kar diya?

Sorry man..I agree you guys want to give him noble peace prize for saving your ass but also bombing Iran and other Muslims
..please don't be upset..I would rather accuse chaiwala about all the lies.

 

[straighttalk]

It's really puzzling that PAF only has radio signals ( explained by XGuard decoys) statement from known conman and an absolute plethora of social media channels and foreign channels quoting that. But not a single one has provided the following

Satellite images of damages
Plane wreckage that is conclusive
Social media videos of damage on Indian side in military bases
Social media videos of missiles or planes exploding in night sky
Wreckage of Indian air to air missiles on Pak side ...in a 1 hour dog fight involving 125 planes .India should at least fire some missiles...these should be easily available on Paksitani ground even if they missed

China has excellent satellite coverage over India so we can't hide anything.
In a densely populated area with so many anti BJP folks...it's impossible to hide events like plane crash etc..even recently when the Jaguar crashed..people took videos of the dead or injured pilot...such is the pathetic state of Indian population

So the lack of social media post would mean that real time India tracked the plane crashing..turned off Internet. Cops came and confiscated every phone. Wipes the phones clean and warned every person there to keep quiet or race dire consequences. Then either returned the wiped phone or just took them away.done at 6 different places of crash and did not miss anyone and rest of India is unaware.

 

[straighttalk]

It's really puzzling that PAF only has radio signals ( explained by XGuard decoys) statement from known conman and an absolute plethora of social media channels and foreign channels quoting that. But not a single one has provided the following

Satellite images of damages
Plane wreckage that is conclusive
Social media videos of damage on Indian side in military bases
Social media videos of missiles or planes exploding in night sky
Wreckage of Indian air to air missiles on Pak side ...in a 1 hour dog fight involving 125 planes .India should at least fire some missiles...these should be easily available on Paksitani ground even if they missed

China has excellent satellite coverage over India so we can't hide anything.
In a densely populated area with so many anti BJP folks...it's impossible to hide events like plane crash etc..even recently when the Jaguar crashed..people took videos of the dead or injured pilot...such is the pathetic state of Indian population

So the lack of social media post would mean that real time India tracked the plane crashing..turned off Internet. Cops came and confiscated every phone. Wipes the phones clean and warned every person there to keep quiet or race dire consequences. Then either returned the wiped phone or just took them away.done at 6 different places of crash and did not miss anyone and rest of India is unaware.

To kind of put things in perspective ..when India hit Pakistan both the terrorist camps and then the radar stations and then the airbases..there are verified videos from Pak social media of people showing wreckage damage smoke and lambasting their own govt...

India provided satellite images of damages

NYT independently accessed satellite images from Maxar.

TRF got banned as terrorist organization...is that without evidence..who knows.

 

[IMMY69]

This thread should be merged with the Indians are Brainwashed thread..

 

[ahsan17]

Why doesn't India say how many jets they lost? If the answer is 0, just say that. Is the only reason to placate andhbakhts, so andhbakhts can claim plausible deniability online and try to win trolling wars? In effect, Indian reasoning to not release the numbers is driven by online trolling wars?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why doesn't India say how many jets they lost? If the answer is 0, just say that. Is the only reason to placate andhbakhts, so andhbakhts can claim plausible deniability online and try to win trolling wars? In effect, Indian reasoning to not release the numbers is driven by online trolling wars?

It is a double pronged strategy. The army remains coy because the international military community knows the extent of Indians failures, so they need to make cryptic statements i.e not outright deny because the world will know they are lying and also not outright confirm because saffron brigade will commit suicide. This strategy allows army to maintain a semblance of professionalism.

In parallel they have deployed rabid media to pump disinformation to their domestic audience. It is astounding that they now suddenly come up with this decoy theory for example. They are just pumping out bs to distract and divert.

 

[sweep_shot]

This thread should be merged with the Indians are Brainwashed thread..

I would use the word "retarded" alongside brainwashed.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

This thread should be merged with the Indians are Brainwashed thread..

No avail, some are saffronwas....

 

[HalBass9]

India could’ve avoided all of this if it hadn’t tried to conceal the facts. Larger countries often resort to downplaying or hiding uncomfortable truths, usually out of embarrassment or fear of domestic backlash.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is a double pronged strategy. The army remains coy because the international military community knows the extent of Indians failures, so they need to make cryptic statements i.e not outright deny because the world will know they are lying and also not outright confirm because saffron brigade will commit suicide. This strategy allows army to maintain a semblance of professionalism.

In parallel they have deployed rabid media to pump disinformation to their domestic audience. It is astounding that they now suddenly come up with this decoy theory for example. They are just pumping out bs to distract and divert.

If those were really decoys, how come they didn't mention it in the beginning?

Rest of the world know India is full of misinformation. Nobody takes Modi regime seriously except for his domestic low-IQ bhakts.

 

[straighttalk]

It is a double pronged strategy. The army remains coy because the international military community knows the extent of Indians failures, so they need to make cryptic statements i.e not outright deny because the world will know they are lying and also not outright confirm because saffron brigade will commit suicide. This strategy allows army to maintain a semblance of professionalism.

In parallel they have deployed rabid media to pump disinformation to their domestic audience. It is astounding that they now suddenly come up with this decoy theory for example. They are just pumping out bs to distract and divert.

I think the international community of which China is the second most technologically advanced country should expose the evidence to embarrass India further and deal a total blow to the low IQ Indian folks...I am eagerly waiting for the day when the wreckage images and the radio conversation of India are brought out to the public instead of no name Chinese misinformation channels and juvenile doctored **** videos propaganda....until then all I see is sources confirmed..Pakistan claimed...

 

[straighttalk]

India could’ve avoided all of this if it hadn’t tried to conceal the facts. Larger countries often resort to downplaying or hiding uncomfortable truths, usually out of embarrassment or fear of domestic backlash.

Yesh Paksitan reeks of professionalism and honesty in every walk of life...their highly ethical and professional Pakjabi army is no exception...paindabad.

 

[HalBass9]

Modi is just the decoy. The real mastermind is still selling chai on Platform 2, collecting voter data with every cup.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yesh Paksitan reeks of professionalism and honesty in every walk of life...their highly ethical and professional Pakjabi army is no exception...paindabad.

Your posts are proof that not everyone deserves internet access. Is your brain on airplane mode 24/7?

 

[straighttalk]

If those were really decoys, how come they didn't mention it in the beginning?

Rest of the world know India is full of misinformation. Nobody takes Modi regime seriously except for his domestic low-IQ bhakts.

Yeah I sit here and die of jealousy looking how the world is bending over backwards to welcome and felicitate Yunus..the savior of Islamic Bangladesh.. the level of IQ and respect of Bangladesh makes me roll in my grave

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/foreign-affairs/383616/keir-starmer-declines-meeting-with-yunus-during

Macron Declines Meeting with Yunus, Chief Advisor Cancels France Visit - BDDiGEST

Share this NewsDiplomatic Desk The government had finalized all preparations for Chief Advisor Dr. Yunus’s visit to France to attend the Third United Nations Ocean Conference. Dhaka had also requested a meeting between Dr. Yunus and French President Emmanuel Macron on the conference’s sidelines...

en.bddigest.com

PM Modi conferred with France's highest award Grand Cross of the Legion of Honour

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www.thehindu.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/india/india-narendra-modi-australia-visit-intl-hnk

You see @sweep_shot if you take the blinkers of hatred out..the light of truth will illuminate you but keep on hating and using sound bites.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think the international community of which China is the second most technologically advanced country should expose the evidence to embarrass India further and deal a total blow to the low IQ Indian folks...I am eagerly waiting for the day when the wreckage images and the radio conversation of India are brought out to the public instead of no name Chinese misinformation channels and juvenile doctored **** videos propaganda....until then all I see is sources confirmed..Pakistan claimed...

Another doctored audio leak at 7:54

 

[straighttalk]

Your posts are proof that not everyone deserves internet access. Is your brain on airplane mode 24/7?

There he goes again...please add some facts and information to show the high level professionalism of Pakjabi army...
If my brain is in airplane mode..it means I have no internet...so your post doesn't make sense

 

[straighttalk]

Another doctored audio leak at 7:54

Is this the Godzilla ..please ..where is the proof it is Indian pilot speaking ...I can record something and share it...and say PAF pilots speaking....maybe they can release the entire conversation on YouTube ....first time in air history did I see a radio conversation as evidence...

Are there any signature that conclusively proves it is Indian radio traffic intercepted and not a fake audio..just asking because this audio can be created anywhere. See Chinese satellites can easily pick up debris and crash sites..social media posts will have pictures of crash ..these are quite common.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There he goes again...please add some facts and information to show the high level professionalism of Pakjabi army...
If my brain is in airplane mode..it means I have no internet...so your post doesn't make sense

I knew you would bring that up. You are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. Yes, you can access Wi-Fi in airplane mode, you just have to turn it on manually. Are you still using old Nokia phones? Anyway, congrats, you actually learned something new from me today. Go ahead, thank your teacher. Chal shabaash.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Is this the Godzilla ..please ..where is the proof it is Indian pilot speaking ...I can record something and share it...and say PAF pilots speaking....maybe they can release the entire conversation on YouTube ....first time in air history did I see a radio conversation as evidence...

Are there any signature that conclusively proves it is Indian radio traffic intercepted and not a fake audio..just asking because this audio can be created anywhere. See Chinese satellites can easily pick up debris and crash sites..social media posts will have pictures of crash ..these are quite common.

Another Pakistani agent

 

[straighttalk]

Another Pakistani agent

Yes please tell me where he said Pakistan recorded Indian audio..he said China tracked Indian attack vectors and Paksitan was aware of Indian movements.

 

[straighttalk]

I knew you would bring that up. You are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. Yes, you can access Wi-Fi in airplane mode, you just have to turn it on manually. Are you still using old Nokia phones? Anyway, congrats, you actually learned something new from me today. Go ahead, thank your teacher. Chal shabaash.

NIce backtracking ..go on adding 0 logic and facts to the debate

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

NIce backtracking ..go on adding 0 logic and facts to the debate

You have nothing left to debate anyway. Get away.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think the international community of which China is the second most technologically advanced country should expose the evidence to embarrass India further and deal a total blow to the low IQ Indian folks...I am eagerly waiting for the day when the wreckage images and the radio conversation of India are brought out to the public instead of no name Chinese misinformation channels and juvenile doctored **** videos propaganda....until then all I see is sources confirmed..Pakistan claimed...

US president has told the world the reality, the spice girls tour of Shashi Tharoor has failed, no country has supported India..you keep asking mentioning the world should do XYZ...they have already done it brother, India has been embarrassed from every angle, your head is just buried in the sand too deep too realise.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yes please tell me where he said Pakistan recorded Indian audio..he said China tracked Indian attack vectors and Paksitan was aware of Indian movements.

So what does it mean to tracking one movements? Obviously this reenforces the fact that Pak was aware of Indian positions and managed to downed 6 by infiltrating their communication lines

 

[mazkhan]

Pakistan has said they will go nuclear when their country is attotsl risk.. either land is lost leaderhsip is decapitated or PAF is decapitated. In this case is the latter..when India showed that it can hit any airbase with whatever weapons it chose and PAF cannot protect the skies against India...the Indian air force can fire within its border and hit 11 out of 13 air bases..it's just a warning that only precision missiles in limited amount was used. That's what prompted Pak to threaten to use nukes but since everyone knows that's bs...Pak DGMO instead called for ceasefire upon US and Saudi urging as admitted on Hasan Mirs show by Ishaq Dar himself.

So what?

it's very hard to protect against brahmos and scalp

Even russia can't protect itself against scalp which is French version of storm shadow
And can't even destroy himars .

Even israel which has probably the best air defence couldnt fully protect against Iran.

Paf can protect the skies because it knocked your fighters down and out missiles fatah and cm400 and drones hit your bases that's why you went running to trump .

If pakistan airforce and air defences had been neutralised why did you indians sign a ceasefire surely you would have had air superiority and taken kashmir since according to you all major bases had been destroyed , bla had captured balochistan and indian navy had taken over karcahi port we remember the godi news

 

[Rana]

I guess Trump is the greatest source of truth, will remember it for future on his one news every hour what he ssys about Epstein to Israel to China.

He said 4-5 jets

Not Nur Khan airbase being hit. Indians claim the war was stopped because NK Airbase taking a hit. Trump clearly worried about Jets being downed.

 

[Suleiman]

Trump chose to point out the most significant damages in this skirmish which was IAF jets, some of which were undefeated in combat before May 2025. Clearly didn’t think (alleged) runway losing some chunks of asphalt was worth mentioning.

I feel sorry for the loyal right wing Hindus on this forum who have after spending the last 2 months typing 10k word dissertations now have been invalidated by Trump Bhai in few seconds.

 

[Devadwal]

BSF caught Pak intruder on Punjab border: Entered 80 meters into Indian border; Rs 20 Pakistani cash recovered from pocket
I think he wants to buy bisleri from pakistani 20 rs. But nhai milegi uske liye 50 Pakistani rs chahiye

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BSF caught Pak intruder on Punjab border: Entered 80 meters into Indian border; Rs 20 Pakistani cash recovered from pocket
I think he wants to buy bisleri from pakistani 20 rs. But nhai milegi uske liye 50 Pakistani rs chahiye

And what does this have to do with the topic? Or are you, like other andhbhakts, out of arguments and resorting to deflection?

 

[JaDed]

He said 4-5 jets

Not Nur Khan airbase being hit. Indians claim the war was stopped because NK Airbase taking a hit. Trump clearly worried about Jets being downed.

Why would he worried abt Indian jets being down French and Russian companies don’t matter to him.

 

[straighttalk]

So what?

it's very hard to protect against brahmos and scalp

Even russia can't protect itself against scalp which is French version of storm shadow
And can't even destroy himars .

Even israel which has probably the best air defence couldnt fully protect against Iran.

Paf can protect the skies because it knocked your fighters down and out missiles fatah and cm400 and drones hit your bases that's why you went running to trump .

If pakistan airforce and air defences had been neutralised why did you indians sign a ceasefire surely you would have had air superiority and taken kashmir since according to you all major bases had been destroyed , bla had captured balochistan and indian navy had taken over karcahi port we remember the godi news

Actually Russia effectively neutralized HIMARS and Ukraine has most success with drones compared to Scalp but your comment regd missiles is still valid.

Iran did a saturation attack to get few strikes though Israeli defense...India didn't do saturation attack .it fired very few but precise missiles.

Your missiles as well as drones have failed to do any damage as there is no satellite images from China and NYT reviewed their party images to confirm it.

We don't commit jihad or fight to take Kashmir..it's a non issue for us. We didn't start war to take Kashmir..we wanted to punish the handlers of the pahalgam terror attack..we accomplished it. We wanted to suspend IWT.. accomplishmed that too. We didn't want any mediation or negotiation on Kashmir and that is done too. Belated but we got TRF designated as terrorist org too. So what would additional fighting help us.. yes we can hit more bases and take down more air crafts but we will lose men and money and our more valuable economy and foreign investment would be damaged heavily..whereas you guys have literally nothing to lose in terms of economy. Therefore it is a smart choice to accomplish your goals and stop the war specially when your DGMO called and requested ceasfire.

 

[IronShield]

Next time Trump will mention the no fly zone imposed by Pakistan over Indian airspace..... just to rub it in further.

Oh wait... The Indian Chief of Defence Staff has already admitted to that.

The Indian cope is as hilarious as much as it is stupid, a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The greatest damage Pakistan has suffered wasn’t on the battlefield, but in the minds of a generation convinced that narrative victories in curated echo chambers are real victories.

As a proud Bharatiya and a firm believer in peace, let me first say that war is never the best thing to happen and there is no true winner in a battle, especially not for two neighbors with shared history, culture, and people. But when history is twisted to suit propaganda, truth must step in.

Let’s talk about the real losses, not the aircraft, missiles, or military “toys” that both sides can replace swiftly but the deeper, long-term damage:

• Pakistan has lost control over its own narrative, not just globally, but also within Kashmir. Today, more and more Kashmiris see Pakistan not as a liberator, but as a disruptor of peace and prosperity in the valley.
• Thousands of Pakistani civilians, soldiers, and children have paid the price of decades-long flirtations with hardliners and proxies. Fires were lit with short-term goals in mind, but now they burn indiscriminately—and no one seems able to control them.
• You may boast about “wins” in skirmishes, but the economic, diplomatic, and geopolitical costs Pakistan bears year after year far outweigh any supposed military success. Even if—for argument’s sake—we accept the unsubstantiated claim that India lost 5 jets while Pakistan lost none, what changed? One country is now among the fastest-growing economies in the world. The other—let’s just say that even repeating the familiar comparisons feels unfair and unnecessarily painful.
• You can never win a war against a nation that learns, adapts, and comes back stronger every single time. While Pakistan continues to seek discounts and donations, India is on the verge of indigenizing critical components of its major defense platforms. It’s still a work in progress—but we move forward with clarity and ambition.

Propaganda gets likes on Twitter or Reddit, sure. But it doesn’t win wars. And it definitely doesn’t win the future.

Pakistanis must honestly ask what have they truly gained from this path? You may find that your chances of seeing a different India are ironically better if you just wait—than if you keep waging failed adventures that end with bloody noses and broken limbs.

India will keep rising—economically, militarily, culturally. Pakistan can too, but only if it chooses peace over provocation, introspection over illusion, and substance over spectacle.

We don’t need to shout “6-0” on state TV. We are quietly becoming 100X in everything that actually matters.