Why hasn't Pakistan cracked the code to overpower South Africa and Australia in the Southern Hemisphere?

[Devadwal]

Pakistan test record in australia since 1995

Match played -17 ,lost- 17 ,Drawn -0 , won -0

Pakistan test record in South Africa since 2013

Match played -7 , lost -7 ,drawn-0 ,won -0

Why Pakistan hasn't won a single test during this period ? Are they mentality weak? as they have came very close to win the some of the test yet find a Way to lose the tests .

They didn't even draw a test either.

 

[saimayubera]

Even NZ in recent years which is also southern hemisphere.

2016 - 0-2
2020 - 0-2

 

[Major]

whats with this southen hamisphere bakwas going around?

Seems like Indian posters were itching to make threads as soon as we were gonna lose. They seemed more interested in this series than Pakistanis themselves. Talk about living rent free in their heads

 

[Devadwal]

whats with this southen hamisphere bakwas going around?

Seems like Indian posters were itching to make threads as soon as we were gonna lose. They seemed more interested in this series than Pakistanis themselves. Talk about living rent free in their heads

Can you give The reason why Pakistan hasn't cracked the Code instead crying?

We have seen lot's of threads about celebration of india lose like double treat, sunday lose etc.

@The Bald Eagle @Nikhil_cric @Hitman @DeadlyVenom @BouncerGuy @FearlessRoar

What's your view?

 

[Major]

they are plenty of threads where these topics have been discussed. But sure, for trolling purposes make a new one and pretend as if you dont know the reason. Every criticial thread on the first page is the reason.

The southern hemisphere criteria is funny.

 

[Devadwal]

Even NZ in recent years which is also southern hemisphere.

2016 - 0-2
2020 - 0-2

Yes this is also qualified for this thread .

So now Total 28 test where they successive lost in southern hemisphere .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We are not a good test side. I have said this for a long time.

Nothing to do with mentality, captain, luck etc.

Our system just cannot produce good test cricketers.

My own view is we should have given up on test a few years ago. I still get sucked in to watching the games because it is the peak form of cricket. But deep down I know even if we win it will be just an occasional thing. We aren't good enough to be consistently winning.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Just don't have the players for the conditions.

Bavuma made 2 poor decisions - to field first on a variable bounce pitch and then didn't review his own dismissal.

This match would not have been anywhere near this close.

Those blaming Shan's captaincy forget that Bavuma is an even worse captain - both as a leader and as a tactician

 

[saimayubera]

Yes this is also qualified for this thread .

So now Total 28 test where they successive lost in southern hemisphere .

19 starting from SA 2013.

 

[Devadwal]

We are not a good test side. I have said this for a long time.

Nothing to do with mentality, captain, luck etc.

Our system just cannot produce good test cricketers.

My own view is we should have given up on test a few years ago. I still get sucked in to watching the games because it is the peak form of cricket. But deep down I know even if we win it will be just an occasional thing. We aren't good enough to be consistently winning.

Pakistan under shan masood has been competitive test side. Yes they haven't won away test match but they didn't surrendered like they always do .

Pakistan vs australia series was lot closer than actual 3-0 results .

1st test vs South Africa ,where Pakistan was in dominating position after reducing South Africa to 98-8 and 590 More runs still needed .

So i think Pakistan doesn't have winning mentality also play crucial parts .

 

[FearlessRoar]

@Devadwal IMO the reason is that we are lacking a pacer who can bowl consistently at 145 kph or more, while also maintaining control. Additionally, we are missing a match-winner at batting position number 6, someone who can score centuries whenever needed. This is the formula to win Test matches in Australia and South Africa.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Pakistan under shan masood has been competitive test side. Yes they haven't won away test match but they didn't surrendered like they always do .

Pakistan vs australia series was lot closer than actual 3-0 results .

1st test vs South Africa ,where Pakistan was in dominating position after reducing South Africa to 98-8 and 590 More runs still needed .

So i think Pakistan doesn't have winning mentality also play crucial parts .

Ya finally a sensible indian pak posters are making fun of shan but he been the most competitive captain in sena countries.

 

[Devadwal]

19 starting from SA 2013.

Does any team have a worse record tha pakistan ? I don't think so . Even Bangladesh has won a test in NZ and Wi won in australia .

 

[Devadwal]

@Devadwal IMO the reason is that we are lacking a pacer who can bowl consistently at 145 kph or more, while also maintaining control. Additionally, we are missing a match-winner at batting position number 6, someone who can score centuries whenever needed. This is the formula to win Test matches in Australia and South Africa.

Please don't blame bowler's for recent series loss in australia and current 1st test lose vs South Africa.

Pakistan batters like Babar, Shan , Rizwan needs to take more responsibility .

Bowler's has done wonderful job to defend the such a low target .

 

[Cover Drive Six]

whats with this southen hamisphere bakwas going around?

Seems like Indian posters were itching to make threads as soon as we were gonna lose. They seemed more interested in this series than Pakistanis themselves. Talk about living rent free in their heads

Guess who is opening threads on Bumrah.

 

[Mesozoic]

Seems like Indian posters were itching to make threads as soon as we were gonna lose. They seemed more interested in this series than Pakistanis themselves.

Oh the irony.

 

[Vikram1989]

I don't think pak players themselves believe that they can win any test match in sena.last year they let Aussie slip happily from 16/4 and dropped catches like kids in that position instead of being more attentive/assertive. They are in the frame of minnow mentality for sure in sena.they need 3,4 good players and a thinking captian for change of fortune. Shan don't fit the bill of batsmen.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Please don't blame bowler's for recent series loss in australia and current 1st test lose vs South Africa.

Pakistan batters like Babar, Shan , Rizwan needs to take more responsibility .

Bowler's has done wonderful job to defend the such a low target .

Our middle order is garbage and I am fed up with their woes. That's why I think we need a match winner who can score a century at batting positions 5 6 or 7 whenever needed. We also need a bowler who can consistently bowl at 145 kph as that is necessary on pitches like those in Australia and South Africa

 

[saimayubera]

Does any team have a worse record tha pakistan ? I don't think so . Even Bangladesh has won a test in NZ and Wi won in australia .

No.

 

[Devadwal]

Oh the irony.

Maybe Tommorow or a day after that we May face same taught questions when we lose the MCG test

 

[Marooned]

Yes. Pakistan is are mentality weakness.

Here they is winning then they losing

 

[Usman Chadda]

We are a terrible Test team, have been for a number years as these players are mentally too weak to do anything in this format specially.

This team got white-washed by Bangladesh at home, so this thread is quite stupid at this point of time.

Shan bhai has the dubious honor of snatching defeat from any position.

 

[Devadwal]

Our middle order is garbage and I am fed up with their woes. That's why I think we need a match winner who can score a century at batting positions 5 6 or 7 whenever needed. We also need a bowler who can consistently bowl at 145 kph as that is necessary on pitches like those in Australia and South Africa

Dropping/ Resting Shaheen for such a important tour was another blunder from PCB. This is the conditions which suits him but Pakistan have different thinking.

What's the point of resting Shaheen when he is in Bangladesh to play low level league. Is this how he gonna take rest?

 

[Aviator]

Just wait for Sir Shan Masood he will not only conquer all four hemisphere but whole of Mars and beyond...

 

[Hellion]

A disastrous combination of too little talent and hardly any IQ.

 

[topspin]

Misbah-ism

He set a terrible precedent in more ways than one, but the one I’ll highlight here is favouring timid individuals because he couldn’t handle anyone with a bigger personality than him.

 

[mominsaigol]

Theirs no code to crack. The pacers just don't have the stamina to bowl lengthy overs in test cricket and we saw that today.

From 99-8 to losing simply because the pacers tapped out. And I predicted this would happen yesterday.

Australia and sa are pace havens where even good spinners unless you're warne and murli get butchered repeatedly. And pakistani pacers just can't bowl lengthy spells.

When misbah's team was ranked no 1, it was due to spin uae pitches. Misbah has an atrocious record in aus because the pacers got exposed their as well.

Lastly when it comes to the current team, none of these boys are test batters. Test is the ultimate format which tests your batting technique and temperament wise. You can't escape test cricket with poor techniques like SKY or finn Allen can in t20.

Abdullah, Shan, Babar, Rizwan have very poor techniques for test cricket and are walking wickets 99% of the time in tough conditons.

 

[Devadwal]

Misbah-ism

He set a terrible precedent in more ways than one, but the one I’ll highlight here is favouring timid individuals because he couldn’t handle anyone with a bigger personality than him.

Misbah captaincy was really pathetic in Australia no doubt about it but Pakistan was losing the test in australia amd South Africa Even before Misbah era

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Theirs no code to crack. The pacers just don't have the stamina to bowl lengthy overs in test cricket and we saw that today.

From 99-8 to losing simply because the pacers tapped out. And I predicted this would happen yesterday.

Australia and sa are pace havens where even good spinners unless you're warne and murli get butchered repeatedly. And pakistani pacers just can't bowl lengthy spells.

When misbah's team was ranked no 1, it was due to spin uae pitches. Misbah has an atrocious record in aus because the pacers got exposed their as well.

Lastly when it comes to the current team, none of these boys are test batters. Test is the ultimate format which tests your batting technique and temperament wise. You can't escape test cricket with poor techniques like SKY or finn Allen can in t20.

Abdullah, Shan, Babar, Rizwan have very poor techniques for test cricket and are walking wickets 99% of the time in tough conditons.

Bro dont you think if pak had bowled saim or agha match would have been won since tailenders cant pick spinners?

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro dont you think if pak had bowled saim or agha match would have been won since tailenders cant pick spinners?

No clue, Genuinely I don't have a clue since sa isn't your typical spin pitch

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

No clue, Genuinely I don't have a clue since sa isn't your typical spin pitch

Ya true that but pak atleast could have taken a chance with spinners rabada was swinging blindly with spinners it was match to be won

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Mental weakness. Simple

 

[DTrump]

They were up against far superior opposition most of the times. In their own den.

Australia is a hard place to win because you don't get quick results there. Like in Asia or the other 3 SENA countries, you get low scoring shootouts. Not in Australia which are beneficial to the weaker side. West Indies lucked out in a shootout earlier this year. Or New Zealand in 2011. Pakistan have not had many such opportunities. They blew the ones they had.

Look at how England have been brutalized outside 2010. Not an easy place.

The wickets are true. You need to bend your back as a bowler. Do a lot of hard work. Batsmen need to be highly skilled. Good mixture of attack and defence. Pakistan bats are not very creative. Bowlers lack fitness. You have to maintain intensity for 300-350 overs. Beyond them.

South Africa again. 2013 was their best ever side. Cannot bat against that kind of pace and bounce. Cannot outbowl those 7 foot pacers either. Just brutally outskilled.

 

[Devadwal]

They were up against far superior opposition most of the times. In their own den.

Australia is a hard place to win because you don't get quick results there. Like in Asia or the other 3 SENA countries, you get low scoring shootouts. Not in Australia which are beneficial to the weaker side. West Indies lucked out in a shootout earlier this year. Or New Zealand in 2011. Pakistan have not had many such opportunities. They blew the ones they had.

Look at how England have been brutalized outside 2010. Not an easy place.

The wickets are true. You need to bend your back as a bowler. Do a lot of hard work. Batsmen need to be highly skilled. Good mixture of attack and defence. Pakistan bats are not very creative. Bowlers lack fitness. You have to maintain intensity for 300-350 overs. Beyond them.

South Africa again. 2013 was their best ever side. Cannot bat against that kind of pace and bounce. Cannot outbowl those 7 foot pacers either. Just brutally outskilled.

This current South Africa side is not superior . They are easily beatable but pakistan doesn't have winning mentality .

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

This current South Africa side is not superior . They are easily beatable but pakistan doesn't have winning mentality .

Bro pak atleast in shan captaincy are getting there win will eventually come

 

[Devadwal]

Bro pak atleast in shan captaincy are getting there win will eventually come

Shan first needs to take the responsibility and score some big runs .

These 20s and 30s won't win you the matches .

 

[Energy]

Nutters don't crack codes.

 

[AAli98]

This is Masood & his previous test captains in Australia & SA

 

[IAJ]

Just don't have the players for the conditions.

Bavuma made 2 poor decisions - to field first on a variable bounce pitch and then didn't review his own dismissal.

This match would not have been anywhere near this close.

Those blaming Shan's captaincy forget that Bavuma is an even worse captain - both as a leader and as a tactician

Totally agree with the bolded part. Pakistan missed many opportunities to kill the game. Batted poorly in first innings, bad captaincy by Shaan when Proteas were batting. In second innings Pakistan could have had a 200+ lead but bottled. In SA's last innings when they were 98/8 the game was there for taking but poor captaincy again by not giving spinners a go at the tail-enders.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Totally agree with the bolded part. Pakistan missed many opportunities to kill the game. Batted poorly in first innings, bad captaincy by Shaan when Proteas were batting. In second innings Pakistan could have had a 200+ lead but bottled. In SA's last innings when they were 98/8 the game was there for taking but poor captaincy again by not giving spinners a go at the tail-enders.

Why do you guys think spinner would have been better it was fast bowler paradise pitch?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why do you guys think spinner would have been better it was fast bowler paradise pitch?

Nobody talked it about when Saffers were reeling at 99/8. Spinners only look good in hindsight

 

[IAJ]

Why do you guys think spinner would have been better it was fast bowler paradise pitch?

Only against the last pair as they were batting comfortably against the quicks. Saim bowled very well against tail-enders in first innings, so should have tried out that and why give Jamal an over when you didn't bowl him upfront?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think any captain on earth would chuck on a part time spinner to have a bowl with the game on the line.

 

[DTrump]

This current South Africa side is not superior . They are easily beatable but pakistan doesn't have winning mentality .

Yes. Well they are playing in their own conditions. Have won 5/6 tests on the trot. While not a great side they are doing something right.

The game was a coin toss. Could have gone either way. Did not fall for Pakistan.

Home advantage is a big deal in tests. It seems to have evaporated this year but has not happened for Pakistan.

Why are they not getting over the line? The home team has more depth with bat and bowl. Their 4th pacer on debut scored 81. You need to be exceptional to win overseas. Pakistan are not. They compete but lack that x factor to get over the line. Skill issue.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Dropping/ Resting Shaheen for such a important tour was another blunder from PCB. This is the conditions which suits him but Pakistan have different thinking.

What's the point of resting Shaheen when he is in Bangladesh to play low level league. Is this how he gonna take rest?

Shaheen is not a pacer - He is just another trundler who is escaping from Test cricket.

 

[Devadwal]

I don't think any captain on earth would chuck on a part time spinner to have a bowl with the game on the line.

Nobody talked it about when Saffers were reeling at 99/8. Spinners only look good in hindsight

Spinners easily can Tonk for few sixes so no captain would have taken the risk to bring the part timer spinners at that stage.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Can you give The reason why Pakistan hasn't cracked the Code instead crying?

We have seen lot's of threads about celebration of india lose like double treat, sunday lose etc.

@The Bald Eagle @Nikhil_cric @Hitman @DeadlyVenom @BouncerGuy @FearlessRoar

What's your view?

Before it was utter poor show but this time it was the love of our Indian friends that overwhelmed us in the end.

 

[Devadwal]

Before it was utter poor show but this time it was the love of our Indian friends that overwhelmed us in the end.
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We have already won test match in South Africa .last time series results was 1-1 .

 

[Devadwal]

Yet another test where Pakistan hasn't cracked the code Even on Patta pitches.

Another whitewash loading in southern hemisphere conditions for pakistan

 

[Savak]

T20 Cricket has destroyed our Cricketing fundamentals. We don't have bowlers who can bowl with venom, accuracy for 15-20 overs and neither are we producing technically correct batsmen who can survive tough periods and later switch gears.

 

[saimayubera]

Yet another test where Pakistan hasn't cracked the code Even on Patta pitches.

Another whitewash loading in southern hemisphere conditions for pakistan

EIGHTH consecutive WHITEWASH

TWENTIETH consecutive LOSS

 

[ElRaja]

lack of discipline, with both bat and ball. they assume that the conditions are gonna be bowling friendly so go looking for wickets, and dont ever trust themselves to play long innings. historically it was a mental issue, but over the last ten years its a technical issue. they play so few tests every series is a virtually untested bowing or batting combination in those conditions, then they roll over and lose and the pattern is perpetuated.

you need at least 5 or 6 away tests a year, so by the time u tour again at least 4 or 5 of your team has played 20 away tests. at this rate they've barely played 20 tests in total by the time the next series comes around. u dont get better by not playing. guys like salman and saud would have played 30, 35 tests by now if they played for england, aus or india.

 

[Devadwal]

@CrIc_Mystique @Savak here is thread On pakistan test

Updates in South Africa -
Match played -8 , Lost -8

Pakistan test record in australia since 1995

Match played -17 ,lost- 17 ,Drawn -0 , won -0

Pakistan test record in South Africa since 2013

Match played -7 , lost -7 ,drawn-0 ,won -0

Why Pakistan hasn't won a single test during this period ? Are they mentality weak? as they have came very close to win the some of the test yet find a Way to lose the tests .

They didn't even draw a test either.

records in Southern hemisphere

 

[captain.hansolo]

We are not a good test side. I have said this for a long time.

Nothing to do with mentality, captain, luck etc.

Our system just cannot produce good test cricketers.

My own view is we should have given up on test a few years ago. I still get sucked in to watching the games because it is the peak form of cricket. But deep down I know even if we win it will be just an occasional thing. We aren't good enough to be consistently winning.

Yes but some of this period has overlapped with some of the best batsmen of late to have played for Pakistan and there have been numerous good bowlers too. I was surprised too when I saw the 0-17 record.

 

[captain.hansolo]

lack of discipline, with both bat and ball. they assume that the conditions are gonna be bowling friendly so go looking for wickets, and dont ever trust themselves to play long innings. historically it was a mental issue, but over the last ten years its a technical issue. they play so few tests every series is a virtually untested bowing or batting combination in those conditions, then they roll over and lose and the pattern is perpetuated.

you need at least 5 or 6 away tests a year, so by the time u tour again at least 4 or 5 of your team has played 20 away tests. at this rate they've barely played 20 tests in total by the time the next series comes around. u dont get better by not playing. guys like salman and saud would have played 30, 35 tests by now if they played for england, aus or india.

How many away tests is Pakistan playing off late? Would someone have some numbers on away and home tests by year?

I think you may have hit the nail on th me head, lack of adequate exposure.

 

[captain.hansolo]

T20 Cricket has destroyed our Cricketing fundamentals. We don't have bowlers who can bowl with venom, accuracy for 15-20 overs and neither are we producing technically correct batsmen who can survive tough periods and later switch gears.

That’s nonsense. Every country plays T20 and yet somehow it’s only Pakistan being adversely impacted? I think @ElRaja has the answer that it’s just lack of games.

 

[saimayubera]

That’s nonsense. Every country plays T20 and yet somehow it’s only Pakistan being adversely impacted? I think @ElRaja has the answer that it’s just lack of games.

Naah, countries like WI also have been destroyed.

SENAI will be the only good test cricket nations going forward as they are the only ones who can afford to play tests.

 

[harshjoshi87]

The reason behind all this losses is Pakistan doesn't have statpadders like Gill, Flopswal(1st innings star).

They also lack bowlers who can take 20 wickets.

Plus they don't care about test cricket anymore. All their interest is in India-Pakistan matches in international cricket or in legend leagues like the WCL.

 

[harshjoshi87]

India can also fall to this level if they continue playing IPL ftb's like Sudarshan & Flopswal in test cricket when more deserving batsman like Shreyas, Karun, Sarfaraz, Gaikwad, Easwaran are left on the benches.

Arshdeep & Kuldeep are also ignored for third class bowlers like Kamboj & Prasidh.