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To lose a final to a particular side once is a bit unfortunate, on second instance one could term it as bad coincidence. But to lose them on regular occasions just make you a bunny of them. So is the case of the Indian team across different formats against the Australian sides. Below is the long list of finals that the Indian team has lost against the Aussie sides.

Indian Men Team
* Loss in 2003 WC Final
* Loss in 2023 WTC Final
* Loss against Australian Team in 2023 CWC

Indian Women Team
* loss in Final of one off T20 Tournament 2020
* Loss in Women's T20 WC Final 2020
* Loss in Commonwealth Women's T20 Final 2022

Indian U19 Team
* ICC U19 World Cup 2024
 
Let's see how it unfolds in the final of ICC U19 World 2024. Australia U19 is in a commanding position.
 
batandballbattle said:
aussies winning everything is getting a bit boring now 😆
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Aussie senior team won the ODI World Cup.
Women's team won the ODI World Cup.
Junior guys should win it today also.

They also hold the WTC trophy.

I also expect them to win CT 2025 and 2024 World T20.
 
U 19 is just really a development thing.

Most of the time I've noticed that the white players don't take it too seriously and most never make it to the top.

It's a big deal for desi sides for some reason.

I wouldn't list an U19 in a list of bottling or chocking.
 
sweep_shot said:
Aussie senior team won the ODI World Cup.
Women's team won the ODI World Cup.
Junior guys should win it today also.

They also hold the WTC trophy.

I also expect them to win CT 2025 and 2024 World T20.
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Australia will always be the greatest cricketing nation. India can have the money
 
Indians are not really built for sports and thus can't compete against nations like Australia who have it built into their DNA.

We forget that back when the cricketing landscape was more equal, India was consistently one of the weakest teams around despite their huge population.

Now even with all the lopsided money, power and influence in the world they find they still can't win anything. That is an unbelievable humilation considering the circumstances.
 
deltexas said:
That's why it's sport. Money helps you with good infrastructure, a good domestic set up , good players - which will help you reach SFs consistently.. after that from the KOs it's the mental aptitude and resilience that wins you WCs. If money was the only factor- England would have won every soccer WC ..
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Why are Indian players mentally weak?
 
Ahmed216 said:
Why are Indian players mentally weak?
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More like succumbing to pressure in icc events- huge hype huge pressure huge expectations and more dont want to lose vs go for a win and if you lose you lose thought. They just have to have a risk a loss to win approach. Identifying those types of critical clutch players- not just go by stats sometimes. And it's down to selection.
 
hitthestump said:
Indians are not really built for sports and thus can't compete against nations like Australia who have it built into their DNA.

We forget that back when the cricketing landscape was more equal, India was consistently one of the weakest teams around despite their huge population.

Now even with all the lopsided money, power and influence in the world they find they still can't win anything. That is an unbelievable humilation considering the circumstances.
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I think the Indian team players are mentally weak that’s why they always choke against top sides.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Why are Indian players mentally weak?
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Pressure of huge population I guess.

In Australia you can play it more casually as no one really is concerned if you lose or not amongst local population. It's mostly the management team that care about winning.

Aussie care only for rugby.
 
Combining under-19 with senior is not a nuanced take. This Indian side shockingly made it to final. IT is one of the worst under-19 team in Indian history. They lost to a far superior side. For the record India utterly dominates Australia in under-19 contests until this. Beat them in 2 finals before. I am not sure why you compare this loss with senior loss.
 
This U19 Indian team overachieved so far. Not surprised they got destroyed in the finals.
 
Champ_Pal said:
This U19 Indian team overachieved so far. Not surprised they got destroyed in the finals.
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One these bouncy pitches against 4 pace attack of aussies INdia's weak batting line up was always going to be exposed. To make it worse India went with 4 finger spinners
 
Ahmed216 said:
Australia will always be the greatest cricketing nation. India can have the money
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Money can get you only that far. Ultimately, genuine talent will always shine through.

That's why, it's not always fair to lay into Indian team just because BCCI and it's affiliated cricketers are super rich.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
To lose a final to a particular side once is a bit unfortunate, on second instance one could term it as bad coincidence. But to lose them on regular occasions just make you a bunny of them. So is the case of the Indian team across different formats against the Australian sides. Below is the long list of finals that the Indian team has lost against the Aussie sides.

Indian Men Team
* Loss in 2003 WC Final
* Loss in 2023 WTC Final
* Loss against Australian Team in 2023 CWC

Indian Women Team
* loss in Final of one off T20 Tournament 2020
* Loss in Women's T20 WC Final 2020
* Loss in Commonwealth Women's T20 Final 2022

Indian U19 Team
* ICC U19 World Cup 2024 (Loading)
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Tbf nobody can beat that 2003 side in those days.

2023 yes india had a good chance of winning. They did some pitch tampering and it back fired.

Wtc final they dint have pant and bumrah. Pant was the original Aussie killer. Without him they can't beat Aussies.
 
kron said:
Tbf nobody can beat that 2003 side in those days.

2023 yes india had a good chance of winning. They did some pitch tampering and it back fired.

Wtc final they dint have pant and bumrah. Pant was the original Aussie killer. Without him they can't beat Aussies.
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The funny thing is how many teams actually beat final. As if other teams beat Australia in the final for fun. Just because other teams didn't get to final often enough that doesn't mean they would beat Australia.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
The funny thing is how many teams actually beat final. As if other teams beat Australia in the final for fun. Just because other teams didn't get to final often enough that doesn't mean they would beat Australia.
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Aussies also had lot of luck. The t20 wc they won was luck based. Cause of toss.

Again toss helped in wtc final. Also no pant and bumrah.

In 2023 everyone though india would win the cwc final but yea that was a weird one. Aussies tbh are really good in odis and both india and Aussies are equally talented. Either one can beat each other on their best day. One team just stepped up in the final. Toss may have been a factor too.
 
kron said:
Aussies also had lot of luck. The t20 wc they won was luck based. Cause of toss.

Again toss helped in wtc final. Also no pant and bumrah.

In 2023 everyone though india would win the cwc final but yea that was a weird one. Aussies tbh are really good in odis and both india and Aussies are equally talented. Either one can beat each other on their best day. One team just stepped up in the final. Toss may have been a factor too.
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Well bro you don’t win matches and that too finals in lope sided fashions just by mere luck.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Australia met India in 3 finals in the under-19 got thrashed in 2. They are yet to equal the tally let alone beat them.
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U-19 finals don't matter much.

Senior finals matter the most. Aussies are leading there 2-0 (2003 and 2023).
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Well bro you don’t win matches and that too finals in lope sided fashions just by mere luck.
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T20 was luck. They should have lost in the semis itself.

2003 no chance I agree. Vs that OP Aussie side.

Wtc india missed their 2 best players in pant and bumrah. Both have reslly good records vs Aussies. Especially pant.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Australia met India in 3 finals in the under-19 got thrashed in 2. They are yet to equal the tally let alone beat them.
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OK fine, then what about the other losses in finals against Australian sides. Any explanation about that?
 
sweep_shot said:
U-19 finals don't matter much.

Senior finals matter the most. Aussies are leading there 2-0 (2003 and 2023).
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Nobody can't beat Aussies in pressure games bro. Let alone india.

In odi that is. They are very very beatable in t20.

They aren't all that good in t20.

In odi they are the best. No question.
 
kron said:
Nobody can't beat Aussies in pressure games bro. Let alone india.

In odi that is. They are very very beatable in t20.

They aren't all that good in t20.

In odi they are the best. No question.
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Yeah. T20 can be won by anyone.

England beat Australia in 2010 World T20 final, for example.

Aussies used to be ordinary in T20 but I think they are getting better. They won 2021 event and are looking strong for 2024 one.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
OK fine, then what about the other losses in finals against Australian sides. Any explanation about that?
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Has Australia ever lost a final man in odi? Can't recall. Maybe in the 80s.
Oh wait vs Sri Lanka In 90s. Their record in finals is still incredible.
 
kron said:
Has Australia ever lost a final man in odi? Can't recall. Maybe in the 80s.
Oh wait vs Sri Lanka In 90s. Their record in finals is still incredible.
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Australia lost 1975 World Cup final (first ever World Cup). West Indies won.

They also lost 1996 World Cup final (against Sri Lanka).

After that, they won 5 ODI WC finals. 0 loss.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yeah. T20 can be won by anyone.

England beat Australia in 2010 World T20 final, for example.

Aussies used to be ordinary in T20 but I think they are getting better. They won 2021 event and are looking strong for 2024 one.
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Agreed.

In odi it's Aussies.

In tests we will see this time. I think we will see a new winner. Maybe England this time or SA (choke lol)
 
Aus were 76/3 in first innings at WTC final. And you had Shami too but still India choked.
kron said:
T20 was luck. They should have lost in the semis itself.

2003 no chance I agree. Vs that OP Aussie side.

Wtc india missed their 2 best players in pant and bumrah. Both have reslly good records vs Aussies. Especially pant.
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sweep_shot said:
Australia lost 1975 World Cup final (first ever World Cup). West Indies won.

They also lost 1996 World Cup final (against Sri Lanka).

After that, they won 5 ODI WC finals. 0 loss.
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Yea 5 - 2 that's an insane record still.

So india would be 2/4

Pakistan 1/2

West indies 2/3
 
kron said:
Yea 5 - 2 that's an insane record still.

So india would be 2/4

Pakistan 1/2

West indies 2/3
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6-2 actually.

They also won 1987 WC final (against England).

Reminds me of Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak.
 
kron said:
No pant and bumrah though. The 2 with the best record against Australia
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OK then let see what happens in 2024 T20 WC then because I am expecting both of them to be part of the Indian team there.
 
sweep_shot said:
6-2 actually.

They also won 1987 WC final (against England).

Reminds me of Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak.
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Should rename the odi world cup to Australia's cup.

It's like Australia then the rest.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
OK then let see what happens in 2024 T20 WC then because I am expecting both of them to be part of the Indian team there.
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I was just talking about tests man. T20 india won't make it. I don't think so. India is not a good t20 team.

If I had to pick, maybe England again.
 
Why is Australia so good in odi though. That should be studied.

I feel like in odi they don't even have to try. Just need to show up and they win. It's like they are born to win odi world cups.

T20 is a luck format once you hit semis.

Tests wtc concept is rubbish so I am not going to include that.

But in odi, it's just unbelievable how good Australia is.
 
Atleast Indian cricket team is making final of every tournament.....and not stepping out in group stages...
 
hitthestump said:
Indians are not really built for sports and thus can't compete against nations like Australia who have it built into their DNA.

We forget that back when the cricketing landscape was more equal, India was consistently one of the weakest teams around despite their huge population.

Now even with all the lopsided money, power and influence in the world they find they still can't win anything. That is an unbelievable humilation considering the circumstances.
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So 1 billion population has the same DNA? With all the money and good economy of Pakistan in past how much did you guys win?

You had better economy than us and still lost 1985 final

Anything else Einstein?
 
JaDed said:
So 1 billion population has the same DNA? With all the money and good economy of Pakistan in past how much did you guys win?
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Don't ask such awkward questions lol. But if you do still intend to, ask them when was the last time they won an Olympic medal or why they were outperformed by a war torn Afghanistan in the recent Asian games... :)
 
hitthestump said:
Indians are not really built for sports and thus can't compete against nations like Australia who have it built into their DNA.

We forget that back when the cricketing landscape was more equal, India was consistently one of the weakest teams around despite their huge population.

Now even with all the lopsided money, power and influence in the world they find they still can't win anything. That is an unbelievable humilation considering the circumstances.
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True, indians lack the sporting dna and the athletics of pakistanis who dominate all major sports and do so well in Olympics
 
kron said:
I was just talking about tests man. T20 india won't make it. I don't think so. India is not a good t20 team.

If I had to pick, maybe England again.
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In the test, one-off test, and always in Eng. Hardly a situation where Aus, Eng etc winning that one-off test tells anything.

Imagine, if all WTC final gets played in Ind. 90% chance that the Indians will win that. The test is too much of a condition-dependent match. ODI it's a lot more even contest because pitches are mostly flat.

ODI it's the World Cup and in tests, it's always been winning in the opposition's den. That's the ultimate achievement since test cricket started and nothing has changed in that regard. For example, NZ can win 3 WTC in test finals in Eng due to having heavy home games and one-off final in Eng which suits NZ the most, but if they continue getting whitewashed in Aus, Ind, etc then it's not going to earn much respect for NZ. You go and win in the opposition's den in test and you win WC in ODI. It is simple.
 
Please, everyone, stick to the topic and avoid bringing Pakistan into the discussion. This thread is specifically about India and Australia. If you want to discuss Pakistan's performance, kindly post in a relevant thread. Thank you!
 
India have actually won 4 ICC knockout matches against Australia . 1998 & 2000 Champions Trophy. 2007 World T20 semifinal and 2011 World Cup quarterfinal.

Real bunnies are those teams that have managed to lose every single ICC knockout match against Australia in their LOI history
 
The Australians have a winning mindset and tend to maintain their skillset under pressure. All other teams don't or at least not as often.

It's almost amazing how it's just a part of their system from top to bottom regardless of age.
 
kron said:
Nobody can't beat Aussies in pressure games bro. Let alone india.

In odi that is. They are very very beatable in t20.

They aren't all that good in t20.

In odi they are the best. No question.
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sweep_shot said:
Yeah. T20 can be won by anyone.

England beat Australia in 2010 World T20 final, for example.

Aussies used to be ordinary in T20 but I think they are getting better. They won 2021 event and are looking strong for 2024 one.
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England demolished Australia in the 2019 ODI World Cup semifinal after most people expected Australia to turn up and all that.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India have actually won 4 ICC knockout matches against Australia . 1998 & 2000 Champions Trophy. 2007 World T20 semifinal and 2011 World Cup quarterfinal.

Real bunnies are those teams that have managed to lose every single ICC knockout match against Australia in their LOI history
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Can you name any other team who has lost more finals to Australia than India and that too in a one-sided affair?
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Can you name any other team who has lost more finals to Australia than India and that too in a one-sided affair?
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Reminds me of Inzzy not having tons in losses against SA and Aus. If you are not capable of scoring tons against SA/Aus then how can your tons can come in loss.

I have not looked at stats, but I think Indians may have played more often against Aus in Finals due to being the two best teams. Aus was better and won, but it hardly says anything about other teams comparison with India. I could be wrong because we have to see how many times Aus faced India vs how many times they faced other teams.

For example,

How many times PAK has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times SA has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times Eng has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times NZ has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.

If we can compile that then it will be easier to see if India is facing more problem against Aus when compared to other teams. Otherwise, it's a case of Aus being a better team.
 
Mamoon said:
England demolished Australia in the 2019 ODI World Cup semifinal after most people expected Australia to turn up and all that.
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Exception to the rule.

Australia have won the ODI World Cup the most times because of their mental toughness.

Dont think Australia were necessarily better than India in 2023 final but you know what happened.

2019 was the only time England were good and even then they could win a farcical final over "number of boundaries" from NZ.
 
Mamoon said:
England demolished Australia in the 2019 ODI World Cup semifinal after most people expected Australia to turn up and all that.
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In finals. Grand finals we meant.

6/2

Win loss record. Best in the business.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India have actually won 4 ICC knockout matches against Australia . 1998 & 2000 Champions Trophy. 2007 World T20 semifinal and 2011 World Cup quarterfinal.

Real bunnies are those teams that have managed to lose every single ICC knockout match against Australia in their LOI history
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That's good. How many have Aussies won in Kos vs india?

2 finals, 1 wtc final and ?
 
2007 semi final and 2011 quarter final.

Yuvraj Singh, India's biggest match winner arguably.
 
I think India always gets a bit overconfident when playing Aussies in the finals.
 
Buffet said:
Reminds me of Inzzy not having tons in losses against SA and Aus. If you are not capable of scoring tons against SA/Aus then how can your tons can come in loss.

I have not looked at stats, but I think Indians may have played more often against Aus in Finals due to being the two best teams. Aus was better and won, but it hardly says anything about other teams comparison with India. I could be wrong because we have to see how many times Aus faced India vs how many times they faced other teams.

For example,

How many times PAK has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times SA has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times Eng has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.
How many times NZ has faced Aus in Finals and what's their record.

If we can compile that then it will be easier to see if India is facing more problem against Aus when compared to other teams. Otherwise, it's a case of Aus being a better team.
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Well if I am not wrong England has better Knock out win ratio against the Aussies. Despite being under the immense pressure of arch rivalry.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Well if I am not wrong England has better Knock out win ratio against the Aussies. Despite being under the immense pressure of arch rivalry.
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And knockout win ratio against Australia is highest for Sri Lanka and worst for Pakistan (who have lost everything)

Can't read too much into these things.
 
In four out of these 5 instances the Runner-up team was India
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Indian teams reaction on this 😂😂🤣

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2011 India beat Australia
2015 Australia beat India
2019 India beat Australia
2023 India beat Australia
2023 Australia beat India

They traded punches in the world cup
 
Final , Vs Australia - two weak filters to put down India lol For one thing they are atleast in the final. Second of all Australia is one of great cricketing side. What did other sides do? There is only one side that has competed well with Australia in the last 20 years. Home and Away. Others shouldn't even be talking about contests against Australia. Especially 0-14 record.
 
India have and would choke against anyone in the last decade or so. Australia have generally outperformed in this decade compared to the strength of their sides. Probably that winning mentality, which is there because as a nation they have won so much in cricket, there is no debate who is the greatest cricketing nation. They should have been the dominant side since 2012 and in bilateral perhaps they have. But in terms of trophies, Australia and England have dominated instead. Regarding Australia, Im pretty sure they’ve been one of the better teams against them.
 
ads101 said:
India have and would choke against anyone in the last decade or so. Australia have generally outperformed in this decade compared to the strength of their sides. Probably that winning mentality, which is there because as a nation they have won so much in cricket, there is no debate who is the greatest cricketing nation. They should have been the dominant side since 2012 and in bilateral perhaps they have. But in terms of trophies, Australia and England have dominated instead. Regarding Australia, Im pretty sure they’ve been one of the better teams against them.
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More to do with India rather than Australia. These guys are mentally scarred. Australian attack is one of the most familiar bowling attack for India and Indian players. Playing long test series, Even right before world cup they met in a bilateral. Suddenly final made them froze they even tuk tuked against travis head bowling. Never seen a phase where INdia did not hit a single boundary for 25 overs. That is pure self-destruction. There is no Australia there. MSD's team in the quarter final against Ponting's XI under pressure chased very well in 2011. This team is a fantastic team. Vastly superior to Australia in these conditions. Should have crushed Australia. But caught cold feet and panicked. The real reason is India's lack of batting depth. THis has been repeatedly haunting India for the last 8 years. They never have bowlers who can bat or batsmen who can bowl. MSD had Yuvraj, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar to call upon. This handicap always shows India up. Once India loses 3 or 4 wickets in crunch games they realize their last 4 batsmen are no.11s and panic.
 
Another final, another defeat for the Indian side. Definatley a bunny of Australia now. It has happened to many times to ignore.
 
Australia is just better and more stronger mentally. Cricket is less about skills and more about character. 9 times out of 10 Australians are better than everyone else when it comes to owning that champion mindset.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
True, indians lack the sporting dna and the athletics of pakistanis who dominate all major sports and do so well in Olympics
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I see that you guys are getting offended but the original reply was merely stating a fact which cant be denied. The genetic part will also be true for most other Asian genes but that is not relevant here as the thread is about India who are actually making it to finals etc only to get beat by Australia.

The other teams have the gene disadvantageous plus financial.
 
What an overanalysis lol This Australian side so happened to run into sides that capitulate without any effort from the opposition. The same "mentally strong" Aussies could not defend their unbreacahble fortress against an utterly rookie side. Same Australian side had to pray for rain in the final test against England. Same Australian side lost badly to an inexperienced WI side. Same Australia couldn't even win world T20 in their own den. Against India it could be any other side India would have dug their own grave.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
What an overanalysis lol This Australian side so happened to run into sides that capitulate without any effort from the opposition. The same "mentally strong" Aussies could not defend their unbreacahble fortress against an utterly rookie side. Same Australian side had to pray for rain in the final test against England. Same Australian side lost badly to an inexperienced WI side. Same Australia couldn't even win world T20 in their own den. Against India it could be any other side India would have dug their own grave.
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6 ODI World Cups.
2 CTs.
1 WTC.
1 World T20.

3 ICC trophies in the last 3 years.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
What an overanalysis lol This Australian side so happened to run into sides that capitulate without any effort from the opposition. The same "mentally strong" Aussies could not defend their unbreacahble fortress against an utterly rookie side. Same Australian side had to pray for rain in the final test against England. Same Australian side lost badly to an inexperienced WI side. Same Australia couldn't even win world T20 in their own den. Against India it could be any other side India would have dug their own grave.
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So you are acknowledging that India lose because of some other factor than skills?
 
The Bald Eagle said:
So you are acknowledging that India lose because of some other factor than skills?
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Yes India choked. As simple as that. India has beaten Australia 3 out of 5 times in the last 5 encounters in the world ucp. Once India knocked Australia out in the quarter final. Under MSD the same team would have wiped floor with Australian side.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yes India choked. As simple as that. India has beaten Australia 3 out of 5 times in the last 5 encounters in the world ucp. Once India knocked Australia out in the quarter final. Under MSD the same team would have wiped floor with Australian side.
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Under MSD, India lost against Australia in 2015 semi-final.

Group stage wins aren't same as knockout wins.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yes India choked. As simple as that. India has beaten Australia 3 out of 5 times in the last 5 encounters in the world ucp. Once India knocked Australia out in the quarter final. Under MSD the same team would have wiped floor with Australian side.
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MS was great no doubt but he too faltered in 2015
 
sweep_shot said:
6 ODI World Cups.
2 CTs.
1 WTC.
1 World T20.

3 ICC trophies in the last 3 years.
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2000s Aussies were invincible. Current one is not. They are just lucky like world T20 win in 2021 where they won all the tosses. They were not a good T20 side. Even in this world cup. there were several threads about how Austrlaia regressed after they were finding themselves at the bottom of the table. They are not a good side. They just ran into bunch of chokers in the semis and final. Real invincible Aussies win everything at home and destroy teams overseas in Test series
 
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