Why is Great Britain so unimportant on world stage?

[gazza619]

A once super power which ruled the world. Why is it that no one really cares what Great Britain has to say. Or is it just my delusion?

Is this because of poor leadership in the last few decades? Is it because it has a queen who should have retired 40 years ago? Should monarchy return and Prince Charles be the leader? I certainly have no faith in the clowns that run the parliament.

 

[Pakpak]

Not got the military power nor the economy to make a difference anymore.

 

[Syed1]

Thought of as America's poodle.


Heck even Canada has more individual personality than the UK even though the US borders us both at the North AND the South and we have borders with no other country

 

[gazza619]

Thought of as America's poodle.


Heck even Canada has more individual personality than the UK even though the US borders us both at the North AND the South and we have borders with no other country

Even NZ has over taken Great Britain thanks to our beloved Jacinda Ardern.

 

[gazza619]

Not got the military power nor the economy to make a difference anymore.

I dont think it is all about military power or economy. The UK economy was blooming before the recession but that didnt make it into a global power.

I think it could be more do with leadership.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Terrible leaders and governments for decades now.

However in terms of global influence the UK is still up there.

In terms of sporting and cultural influences its one of the top nations in the world.

 

[Pakpak]

I dont think it is all about military power or economy. The UK economy was blooming before the recession but that didnt make it into a global power.

I think it could be more do with leadership.

UK's influence was only due to it being part of a bloc when it came to the EU and NATO. Take either away its influence is that of Australia. It can't wage war on anyone on its own nor can it dictate terms to anyone on its own.

 

[Halaribo]

The UK in recent years has taken a very hard stance against EU lead humanitarian initiatives, which has made us seem selfish in the eyes of the other EU Member States.

The reputation of a once "glorious" imperial power began to fade a couple of decades ago.

A nation's strength comes and goes.

 

[a_tahir]

A once super power which ruled the world. Why is it that no one really cares what Great Britain has to say. Or is it just my delusion?

Is this because of poor leadership in the last few decades? Is it because it has a queen who should have retired 40 years ago? Should monarchy return and Prince Charles be the leader? I certainly have no faith in the clowns that run the parliament.

I've noticed that as well. People are starting to get agitated a lot quicker now too.

 

[Gilly]

UK's influence was only due to it being part of a bloc when it came to the EU and NATO. Take either away its influence is that of Australia. It can't wage war on anyone on its own nor can it dictate terms to anyone on its own.

Try telling that to Argentina.

 

[Chrish]

Every country is unimportant as in comparison to USA..

Britain, Germany and Japan belong to tier no. 2.

 

[Pakpak]

Try telling that to Argentina.

The fact I haven't heard about it should tell you as much about Australia's reach

 

[Donal Cozzie]

The UK in recent years has taken a very hard stance against EU lead humanitarian initiatives, which has made us seem selfish in the eyes of the other EU Member States.

The reputation of a once "glorious" imperial power began to fade a couple of decades ago.

A nation's strength comes and goes.

That reputation never existed outside of the UK anyway, and the only reason it existed in the first place is due to an appalling education system that simply ignores the blood, slavery and death upon which that entire "glorious empire" was built.

British Empire has always, around the world, by everyone except Brits, been universally despised, and rightly so. I struggle to find a single country that views its past with the UK in anything other than an extremely negative light, and the only ones that might do so (Australia) do so because they are the direct descendants of those who wiped out the natives.

For some weird reason some British people have some false notion that they were ever respected,admired, great etc. Reality is the British Empire has always been despised since all they ever did was interfere,pillage,meddle and destroy for their own benefit.

 

[Gilly]

The fact I haven't heard about it should tell you as much about Australia's reach

Did you read what you wrote.

 

[Chrish]

That reputation never existed outside of the UK anyway, and the only reason it existed in the first place is due to an appalling education system that simply ignores the blood, slavery and death upon which that entire "glorious empire" was built.

British Empire has always, around the world, by everyone except Brits, been universally despised, and rightly so. I struggle to find a single country that views its past with the UK in anything other than an extremely negative light, and the only ones that might do so (Australia) do so because they are the direct descendants of those who wiped out the natives.

For some weird reason some British people have some false notion that they were ever respected,admired, great etc. Reality is the British Empire has always been despised since all they ever did was interfere,pillage,meddle and destroy for their own benefit.

"The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes." - Kubrick

The more I think about this, the more I realize that truer words have never been spoken about the nature of world politics.

 

[Robert]

A once super power which ruled the world. Why is it that no one really cares what Great Britain has to say. Or is it just my delusion?

Key part of the liberal international order set up since WW2.

Permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

Trident.

Arguably second most powerful voice in EU, though we are giving that up.

‘Atlantic bridge’ of diplomatic ties between EU and USA though we are surrendering that too.

Key part of the Anglosphere of USA / UK / Canada / Australia / NZ.

Diplomatic links all over the world as vestiges of Empire.

Not a superpower, but a pivotal power. But post-2008 nationalism is reducing our influence in the world, while China is a superpower now, and India likely to surpass UK GDP soon.

 

[Robert]

Other factors:

Brilliant literary heritage.

BBC still an influential international brand making excellent programmes.

Arguably still the most creative popular music scene in the world.

Punching far above her weight at the Olympics.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Other factors:

Brilliant literary heritage.

BBC still an influential international brand making excellent programmes.

Arguably still the most creative popular music scene in the world.

Punching far above her weight at the Olympics.

Every language has its literary heritage, hardly unique to britain. Also found shakespeare very boring with verbosity and repetitive style. Funny how it is considered great in britain.

 

[Robert]

Try telling that to Argentina.

Ah well, the Royal Navy is half the size it was in 1982, the Army less than half. The new big carrier will have as much firepower as the entire South Atlantic task force and will be operational soon, but is probably going to be deployed to guard the Baltic states from Russian incursion.

As for military power we would struggle to deploy a Brigade now - Tories have cut HM Armed Forces to the bone.

Our influence is on the UNSC and soft power through alliances and diplomacy, but we are doing our best to reduce that with Brexit. For example we talked the French out of selling Dassault Rafales - comparable to our Eurofighters - to Argentina which would have made invasion of the Falklands more likely. But we are giving up that influence.

 

[Robert]

Every language has its literary heritage, hardly unique to britain. Also found shakespeare very boring with verbosity and repetitive style. Funny how it is considered great in britain.

Then you have not understood him. He crystallised the language you just typed in. His stories never go out of style because he wrote about the great themes - love, lust, fear, hate, honour, power, racism, betrayal.

Then there’s Dickens of course.

Then Conrad, Forster, Lawrence, Wells, Woolf, Waugh, Wodehouse, Greene, Auden, Fowler, Amis and Rowling.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Then you have not understood him. He crystallised the language you just typed in. His stories never go out of style because he wrote about the great themes - love, lust, fear, hate, honour, power, racism, betrayal.

Then there’s Dickens of course.

Then Conrad, Forster, Lawrence, Wells, Woolf, Waugh, Wodehouse, Greene, Auden, Fowler, Amis and Rowling.

Those themes have been used in literature much before Christ, let alone Shakespeare. And english is hardly a great language. There are better and scientific languages. English became global because of british imperialism, not because of its quality (although it improved by importing words from other languages).

Lawrence? best known for erotica. Wells? poor man's Asimov. Auden? boring village gossip made into stories by jobless women. Rowling? known for kids fantasy and hardly any thought provoking idea. Big LOL at literary heritage. But no surprise, when the mysogynist shakespeare who legitimized anti woman sentiments is considered an icon.

 

[Pakpak]

Did you read what you wrote.

Yes

 

[Technics 1210]

If anything Brexit has taught us it is the fact GB is not self sufficient, hence next to zero clout on the global stage. This what happens when GB puts all it's eggs in one basket that is the EU.

 

[Technics 1210]

Agree [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]. No one can deny the relics of the British Empire and the contribution GB has made to world civilisation.

Also agree in reference to the BBC. I travel the world quite a bit and the first channel I switch on in a hotel is BBC world. I for one have no qualms in paying the licene fee.

 

[Kroll]

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's unimportant, probably the next power after the big three of US, Russia and China. The major trump (no, not that one) card UK still has is London which is a major financial centre and a gateway for citizens of many different countries who flock in.

 

[Big Mac]

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's unimportant, probably the next power after the big three of US, Russia and China. The major trump (no, not that one) card UK still has is London which is a major financial centre and a gateway for citizens of many different countries who flock in.

Not if we have a hard or no deal Brexit and all the banks bugger off to Frankfurt or wherever.

 

[Robert]

Those themes have been used in literature much before Christ, let alone Shakespeare. And english is hardly a great language. There are better and scientific languages. English became global because of british imperialism, not because of its quality (although it improved by importing words from other languages).

Lawrence? best known for erotica. Wells? poor man's Asimov. Auden? boring village gossip made into stories by jobless women. Rowling? known for kids fantasy and hardly any thought provoking idea. Big LOL at literary heritage. But no surprise, when the mysogynist shakespeare who legitimized anti woman sentiments is considered an icon.

Well, that's your opinion dude.

 

[Robert]

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's unimportant, probably the next power after the big three of US, Russia and China. The major trump (no, not that one) card UK still has is London which is a major financial centre and a gateway for citizens of many different countries who flock in.

Not sure Russia is that important. They have half the GDP of GB. They are on the UNSC of course and they have a lot of nukes. What they are doing is acting as spoilers to the international liberal order, destabilising other nations and land-grabbing. But they will decline as Europe becomes less dependent on their gas supply.

 

[Kroll]

Not sure Russia is that important. They have half the GDP of GB. They are on the UNSC of course and they have a lot of nukes. What they are doing is acting as spoilers to the international liberal order, destabilising other nations and land-grabbing. But they will decline as Europe becomes less dependent on their gas supply.

And of course with Russia, it's the sheer size of the place that gives it a trump card. So you're right in saying UK punches well above its weight when you consider the size and populations of US, Russia and China.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well, that's your opinion dude.

And an ignorant one at that. The fact he is posting in English completely undermines his opinion. I wouldn't worry about it mate.

 

[Technics 1210]

Not sure Russia is that important. They have half the GDP of GB. They are on the UNSC of course and they have a lot of nukes. What they are doing is acting as spoilers to the international liberal order, destabilising other nations and land-grabbing. But they will decline as Europe becomes less dependent on their gas supply.

I wouldn't guage power vis-a-vis GDP, if it were true then India would be right up there when it came to political clout - which we know is not true, given India was ignored in the past few months and made a laughing stock of.

Russia has Europe by the Crown jewels through energy dependency like you say. This is power.

 

[CricketCartoons]

And an ignorant one at that. The fact he is posting in English completely undermines his opinion. I wouldn't worry about it mate.

So you don't agree that shakespeare promoted misogyny? why?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, that's your opinion dude.

The brilliant literary heritage is also your opinion, not a fact. I welcome you to debate on shakespeare.

 

[Robert]

Russia has Europe by the Crown jewels through energy dependency like you say. This is power.

I guess that when Germany becomes self-sufficient in this regard, the Russians will still be able to sell hydrocarbons to some of their other neighbours outside the EU.

 

[Robert]

The brilliant literary heritage is also your opinion, not a fact. I welcome you to debate on shakespeare.

No point. You have already trashed us so any attempt to find common ground is unlikely.

 

[Sachin136]

Even NZ has over taken Great Britain thanks to our beloved Jacinda Ardern.

She is getting praised due to her handling of this incident, but NZ is still irrelevant on the world stage. It is a tiny island with less than 5 million people.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No point. You have already trashed us so any attempt to find common ground is unlikely.

We don't need to find common ground. Truth is not a negotiation. Quality of literature is subjective and people find deeper meanings which even the author may not have thought of. And that is fine. But surprised that you have nothing to say about the misogyny of the writer who gave the phrase "frailty, thy name is woman", plays like taming of the shrew, and evil/weak older women characters.

 

[Robert]

But surprised that you have nothing to say about the misogyny of the writer who gave the phrase "frailty, thy name is woman", plays like taming of the shrew, and evil/weak older women characters.

If quality of literature is subjective then there is no truth to it.

Misogyny was normal for Britons of that time. What with all the witch-burnings. Some women are evil and others are weak. His characters were complex, like real people. He had plenty of strong heroines too, such as Beatrice and Portia.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If quality of literature is subjective then there is no truth to it.

Misogyny was normal for Britons of that time. What with all the witch-burnings. Some women are evil and others are weak. His characters were complex, like real people. He had plenty of strong heroines too, such as Beatrice and Portia.

Yes Portia was so strong that she let her fate be decided by a lottery of caskets.

 

[James]

The brilliant literary heritage is also your opinion, not a fact.

Not really to be honest. English Literature has had a profound effect on the world. Whether you or I enjoy reading it or not is frankly irrelevant.

 

[Technics 1210]

So you don't agree that shakespeare promoted misogyny? why?

You have not read Shakespeare, and don't go quoting the Guardian to me either.

You upset because Juliet sacrificed her life for the sake of love?

I do not agree with your fallacious claim. You want an example of rampant misogyny, then look no further than what Indian culture promotes, the Kama Sutra.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not really to be honest. English Literature has had a profound effect on the world. Whether you or I enjoy reading it or not is frankly irrelevant.

That is because of imperial footprint, not it's quality. I have seen better literature in other languages.

 

[Technics 1210]

George Orwell must be creasing up! )

 

[CricketCartoons]

You have not read Shakespeare, and don't go quoting the Guardian to me either.

You upset because Juliet sacrificed her life for the sake of love?

I do not agree with your fallacious claim. You want an example of rampant misogyny, then look no further than what Indian culture promotes, the Kama Sutra.

non sequitur. Robert has already admitted that misogyny was normal for britons at that time. And I will take the word of native brits instead of third world origin citizens who have not critically read shakespeare (not their fault, and not holding it against them).

Misogyny was/is prevalent in most cultures and most religions. I am not defending them.

 

[CricketCartoons]

George Orwell must be creasing up! )

Orwell was a bihari of british origin.

 

[Technics 1210]

non sequitur. Robert has already admitted that misogyny was normal for britons at that time. And I will take the word of native brits instead of third world origin citizens who have not critically read shakespeare (not their fault, and not holding it against them).

Misogyny was/is prevalent in most cultures and most religions. I am not defending them.

So he admitted something and you believed in it. Welcome to the British Empire.

When are you going to think for yourself?

 

[Technics 1210]

Orwell was a bihari of british origin.

His work was in English.

Stay on point.

Of course feel free to enlighten us on other literature that has had an impact devoid of imperialism.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So he admitted something and you believed in it. Welcome to the British Empire.

When are you going to think for yourself?

Stay on the point and stop calling someone as respected as Robert a liar.

Tell me why you think Shakespeare wasnt a misogynist. Bullet points will do.

 

[Technics 1210]

There we have it. The chance to counter English literature and what do we get? Woes and carbon copy responses.

As it has been said, don't believe the hype.

 

[Slim]

UK is still important and has an influence. However, their influence greatly reduced after WW2 after Americans pushed them on the back seat and probably will further reduce after Brexit. Still a relatively strong economy, educational hub & technologically advanced army.

 

[Robert]

Yes Portia was so strong that she let her fate be decided by a lottery of caskets.

Actually her father’s will enforced the lottery. If you read it again you will see that she rigs the lottery, nudging her favoured suitor towards the correct casket by singing him a song with subtle clues.

She then out-manoeuvres Shylock in court, freeing Antonio from the bond that would bring certain death.

 

[Robert]

Oh, and re: [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] and [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]....

 

[irfan]

19th & early 20th century (ie before the revolution) Russian literature is up there and probably better overall,eg Chekhov, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Gogol, Nabokov, Pushkin, Turgenev; they inspired many English language writers.

 

[Kroll]

As far as literature is concerned, we produced Roald Dahl and for the later generations J.K. Rowling and that's all that matters.

 

[Chrish]

English literature is the richest in both quality and quantity and that’s not a subjective opinion.

Also the rock music.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

It's not irrelevant.

Trace the routes of all active conflicts in the world and somehow or the other, the British are a party in that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a silly thread. USA is the world's leading nation and they are absolutely obsessed with Britain. Many of their leading actors are actually British, even Trump who is their elected President claims Scottish heritage.

When we talk of Britain, we should not just consider this relatively small island, but also the offspring nations such as USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. So now tell me, is Britain really insignificant?

 

[Chrish]

What a silly thread. USA is the world's leading nation and they are absolutely obsessed with Britain. Many of their leading actors are actually British, even Trump who is their elected President claims Scottish heritage.

When we talk of Britain, we should not just consider this relatively small island, but also the offspring nations such as USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. So now tell me, is Britain really insignificant?

Not really tbh. America has become world leader because the system in place is superior to any other nation which includes Britain. Indians in America are the highest income earners out of all ethnic groups. Does that mean India should get whole or even part of the credit? The answer is clear no. They are high income earners because of taking advantage of American system. So, offspring idea doesn't hold any water.

 

[Chrish]

And America welcomes talents from all over the world; not just Britain. American universities are full of experts in their field from every country.

So just because many actors are British/ Irish means nothing because many leading physicists/ mathematicians are Germans/ Russians etc.

 

[The_Odd_One]

It is a misconception. England still has a lot of say in the global politics. The queen still rules over Australia. It is just that the US is so far ahead of every one else that everyone other country looks like a midget in front of the US.

 

[Technics 1210]

It is a misconception. England still has a lot of say in the global politics. The queen still rules over Australia. It is just that the US is so far ahead of every one else that everyone other country looks like a midget in front of the US.

Stop having a giraffe. Name me ONE English political incentive which the the world adhered to post 1947, just one. Don;t go Googling now.

My days, EU are controlling Brexit, and we got people thinking thinking England has clout.

 

[Technics 1210]

When we talk of Britain, we should not just consider this relatively small island, but also the offspring nations such as USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. So now tell me, is Britain really insignificant?

My man, you are referring to the relics of the British Empire, or better put, the 5 eyes.

 

[Robert]

Stop having a giraffe. Name me ONE English political incentive which the the world adhered to post 1947, just one.

1948 London Olympics

 

[ElRaja]

which nation of roughly 60 million people is measurably importanter?

 

[ManFan]

If it makes Brits feel any better, they had an “imperial century” from 1815 to 1914 where they dominated the world stage.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Stop having a giraffe. Name me ONE English political incentive which the the world adhered to post 1947, just one. Don;t go Googling now.

My days, EU are controlling Brexit, and we got people thinking thinking England has clout.

No need to Google. The UK still has a strong voice in the UN Security Council, still a member of NATO. The queen still rules outside England. Heathrow is still the second busiest airport in the world. British actors are some of the best in the business. England is not irrelevant like Pakistan.

 

[gazza619]

No need to Google. The UK still has a strong voice in the UN Security Council, still a member of NATO. The queen still rules outside England. Heathrow is still the second busiest airport in the world. British actors are some of the best in the business. England is not irrelevant like Pakistan.

England and Pakistan cannot be compared. One country was founded more than a thousand years ago and the other one is only 70 odd years old. A huge population of Pakistan (and India) still have the mindset of a slave and this is due to generations of slavery and poor leaders.

I would interested to see though what England had achieved after 70 years of being founded vs where Pakistan stands today.

 

[The_Odd_One]

England and Pakistan cannot be compared. One country was founded more than a thousand years ago and the other one is only 70 odd years old. A huge population of Pakistan (and India) still have the mindset of a slave and this is due to generations of slavery and poor leaders.

I would interested to see though what England had achieved after 70 years of being founded vs where Pakistan stands today.

Produced people like Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Fry, Benedict Cumberbatch, JK Rowling, etc. Who has Pakistan produced? Nawaz Sharif?

 

[gazza619]

Produced people like Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Fry, Benedict Cumberbatch, JK Rowling, etc. Who has Pakistan produced? Nawaz Sharif?

You didn't read my post. I asked what England achieved after 70 years of being founded?

 

[Technics 1210]

No need to Google. The UK still has a strong voice in the UN Security Council, still a member of NATO. The queen still rules outside England. Heathrow is still the second busiest airport in the world. British actors are some of the best in the business. England is not irrelevant like Pakistan.

In other words you cannot name one English political incentive post 1947. One where UK lead the world.

As for the Queen, she might be head of state of some nations, but not the world. Still miss her in India?

Heathrow, Actors, and Pakistan? You are definitely having a giraffe.

Side point, Pakistan may not be as relevant as England, but it's more relevant than India in the geopolitical world.

 

[Technics 1210]

You didn't read my post. I asked what England achieved after 70 years of being founded?

He is not understanding the question. He is still stuck in the past when Rule Britannia was the anthem of India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really tbh. America has become world leader because the system in place is superior to any other nation which includes Britain. Indians in America are the highest income earners out of all ethnic groups. Does that mean India should get whole or even part of the credit? The answer is clear no. They are high income earners because of taking advantage of American system. So, offspring idea doesn't hold any water.

Indians don't get any credit in America, they are like civil servants in the UK, doing the jobs anonymously behind the scenes. Only time you hear about them is on Pakistani message boards ironically.

British are far more visible and portrayed heroically in America. Americans flock to watch blockbuster films like Batman which was both directed by a Brit and starred a number of British actors. Not to mention how many Americans queued to watch the greatest war PM of history in the moving film titled simply: Churchill?

 

[The_Odd_One]

In other words you cannot name one English political incentive post 1947. One where UK lead the world.

As for the Queen, she might be head of state of some nations, but not the world. Still miss her in India?

Heathrow, Actors, and Pakistan? You are definitely having a giraffe.

Side point, Pakistan may not be as relevant as England, but it's more relevant than India in the geopolitical world.

Post world war II, the US and Russia emerged as world powers so it should not be a surprise that the UK did not lead the world anymore. However, it does not make them unimportant on world stage.

What does India have to do with this discussion and Pakistan being more relevant than India? I have heard it all.

 

[The_Odd_One]

You didn't read my post. I asked what England achieved after 70 years of being founded?

That's a silly question because you want to compare progress in early 1700s with late 1900s which does not make any sense.

 

[Technics 1210]

Post world war II, the US and Russia emerged as world powers so it should not be a surprise that the UK did not lead the world anymore. However, it does not make them unimportant on world stage.

What does India have to do with this discussion and Pakistan being more relevant than India? I have heard it all.

Well done. The fact you cannot cite a single UK political initiative post WW2 says UK is not important. Literally not a single nation pays heed to UK advice anymore.

As for you second point, what did Pakistan have to do with the discussion - since you were the one who mentioned Pakistan? You may have heard it all, but you certainly do not read at all.

 

[The_Odd_One]

The UK is one of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council out of 190+ countries in the world and delusional individuals like you think that UK is not important in world politics.

 

[Technics 1210]

The UK is one of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council out of 190+ countries in the world and delusional individuals like you think that UK is not important in world politics.

You change your tune more times than the Spice Girls. It was the UK that wanted to avoid war in Iraq in 2003. What happened to the seat on the permanent UN security council then?

You are rambling along yet fail to cite one important decision the UK has made in politics which the world followed post WW2.

I await your next attempt. Should be a giggle!

 

[Chrish]

Indians don't get any credit in America, they are like civil servants in the UK, doing the jobs anonymously behind the scenes. Only time you hear about them is on Pakistani message boards ironically.

British are far more visible and portrayed heroically in America. Americans flock to watch blockbuster films like Batman which was both directed by a Brit and starred a number of British actors. Not to mention how many Americans queued to watch the greatest war PM of history in the moving film titled simply: Churchill?

Americans also made the movie on Gandhi which went on to win the Oscar.

Anyways this logic would hold any water if British are the only “visible” people in America. But fact remains they recruit the best talents from all over the world; one of the main reasons for their world dominance.

They are far from being made of just British/ Irish.

 

[The_Odd_One]

You change your tune more times than the Spice Girls. It was the UK that wanted to avoid war in Iraq in 2003. What happened to the seat on the permanent UN security council then?

You are rambling along yet fail to cite one important decision the UK has made in politics which the world followed post WW2.

I await your next attempt. Should be a giggle!

It was not sanctioned by the UN itself so I do not know why you would single out the UK. Russia also opposed it. Are they unimportant too?

 

[Chrish]

Correction: Gandhi was British- Indian production but was a hit in North America; winning several prominent awards.

Americans appreciate “quality” regardless of subject matter or who made it or acted in it.