Why is it becoming hard for India to beat New Zealand in Tests and ICC tournaments these days?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I was expecting us to crush NZ at home just like they did to us in NZ but this drawn test has disappointed me. We were already struggling to beat NZ in ICC tournaments but it seems it is also becoming hard to win a test against them. What is your opinion?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I was expecting us to crush NZ at home just like they did to us in NZ but this drawn test has disappointed me. We were already struggling to beat NZ in ICC tournaments but it seems it is also becoming hard to win a test against them. What is your opinion?

Not our first-choice side, a couple of players out of form and still came a wicket away from a win. I think they did okay tbh.

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] I saw you using the missing players excuse quite a few times when India toured AUS, what happened here? Weren't we missing six first choice players (all big Bullies in home conditions) and still we managed to draw.
Just wondering why you did'nt mention it?

Kohli
Sharma
Pant
Rahul
Bumrah
Shami

are they not as significant as Smith and Warner ?

 

[Varun]

New Zealand are our bogey team par excellence. Can't catch a break against them.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Tbh in tests I don’t think so. This was India A team basically with 6 first choice players missing

 

[Rajdeep]

Premature thread as this series is still not over. If NZ wins/draws the Mumbai test and escape the tour without losing then this thread makes sense.

OP jumping the gun

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Premature thread as this series is still not over. If NZ wins/draws the Mumbai test and escape the tour without losing then this thread makes sense.

OP jumping the gun

Just liked you jumped saying India won the test already lol

 

[therealAB]

NZ are a strong and even team that is very mentally tough against all opposition except Aus for some reason.

 

[Space Cat]

NZ are a vastly improved side especially in the test arena. You only have to go back a few years and we couldnt beat anybody.

 

[sindhiboy]

Tbh in tests I don’t think so. This was India A team basically with 6 first choice players missing

iyer was an upgrade over kohli.
imo , it was only the openers and bumrah that india was lacking
(which does make a big difference)

just like how conway and jamieson make a huge difference to the nz team

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

Kanpur should get more matches now, unlike the spitting Cobras of Chennai, Kanpur is a very good venue.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Also NZ is the best team currently across formats so it’s expected from the #1 team

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

iyer was an upgrade over kohli.
imo , it was only the openers and bumrah that india was lacking

Shami and Pant too

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

iyer was an upgrade over kohli.
imo , it was only the openers and bumrah that india was lacking

Lol no. Just kohlis Captaincy could have wonn the game, rather than useles Rahane, the specialist captain

Shami, Kohli and Pant are all match winners too

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

Should just tag all posters who were downplaying India's victory in Aus and are celebrating this as some sort of big achievement .

 

[street cricketer]

Kanpur should get more matches now, unlike the spitting Cobras of Chennai, Kanpur is a very good venue.

And publicise India's drastic pollution levels to the world on our own?

 

[street cricketer]

Well they're a top team across all formats. Actually the most consistent team across all formats in world cricket.

 

[sindhiboy]

NZ are a vastly improved side especially in the test arena. You only have to go back a few years and we couldnt beat anybody.

I think Jamieson has made the biggest impact on the team. he takes many wickets and plays very useful knocks with the bat.
In this match he took 6 crucial wickets and faced over a 100 balls with the bat.
Ever since he made his debut, nz have looked very dangerous.

And the new batsmen, Will Young+Conway are high quality.

 

[Devadwal]

Becouse there are good team across all format. BTW OP told me few day's ago "we can easily beat kiwi in test series "

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Pant
Bumrah
Shami

All not playing and NZ could still only barely survive, helped by bad light.

 

[Devadwal]

India is missing Rohit ,Pant ,Rahul ,Virat and Bumrah but BCCI is responsible for that not anyone else .

 

[Varun]

NZ are a vastly improved side especially in the test arena. You only have to go back a few years and we couldnt beat anybody.

Yep. New Zealand were approaching West Indies level in the late-2000s/early-2010s but McCullum turned them around massively. Williamson is carrying forward the flag.

It proves that if they with their slender population and status of cricket in the country can do it, the likes of WI/SL/BD and others like Ireland/Afghanistan have zero excuses.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Premature thread as this series is still not over. If NZ wins/draws the Mumbai test and escape the tour without losing then this thread makes sense.

OP jumping the gun

They have already drawn one test. No chance of a whitewash. NZ crushed us at their home. We were struggling to even fight there and they drew one match already. Even if we win the next test it will still be disappointed result.

 

[PakPremi]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] I saw you using the missing players excuse quite a few times when India toured AUS, what happened here? Weren't we missing six first choice players (all big Bullies in home conditions) and still we managed to draw.
Just wondering why you did'nt mention it?

Kohli
Sharma
Pant
Rahul
Bumrah
Shami

are they not as significant as Smith and Warner ?

I suppose it was India's choice but for Australia it was forced due to circumstances. India have a large pool and had all their trump players playing aka the spinners. Anyway both teams ayed well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] I saw you using the missing players excuse quite a few times when India toured AUS, what happened here? Weren't we missing six first choice players (all big Bullies in home conditions) and still we managed to draw.
Just wondering why you did'nt mention it?

Kohli
Sharma
Pant
Rahul
Bumrah
Shami

are they not as significant as Smith and Warner ?

Excuse? Did you accept it then? Did you support my opinion then? If not, why are you bringing it now like a hypocrite?

Anyway NZ beat full strength Indian team in WTC final just recently. OP also talks about ICC tournaments which you and others are ignoring deliberately. Hopefully you won't come up with an excuse of losing the toss in T20 WC.

 

[Dingolfy]

Yep. New Zealand were approaching West Indies level in the late-2000s/early-2010s but McCullum turned them around massively. Williamson is carrying forward the flag.

It proves that if they with their slender population and status of cricket in the country can do it, the likes of WI/SL/BD and others like Ireland/Afghanistan have zero excuses.

Apart from Ireland, WI,BD,SL and Afghainsttan are poor developing countries and won’t have the same access to good diet, facilities and medical support as Newzealand has.

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

Excuse? Did you accept it then? Did you support my opinion then? If not, why are you bringing it now like a hypocrite?

Anyway NZ beat full strength Indian team in WTC final just recently. OP also talks about ICC tournaments which you and others are ignoring deliberately. Hopefully you won't come up with an excuse of losing the toss in T20 WC.

Lemme tell you what hypocrisy is :

1 - - Underplay India win in Aus due to Smith Warner missing.

2 - - don't even acknowledge the fact that India was missing six first choice players

Now tell me, do you still stand with your opinion that Ind win in aus in 2018 was due to missing first choice players?

Otherwise you are a Hypocrite and so is that [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] fellow who didn't rate victory vs depleted sides.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lemme tell you what hypocrisy is :

1 - - Underplay India win in Aus due to Smith Warner missing.

2 - - don't even acknowledge the fact that India was missing six first choice players

Now tell me, do you still stand with your opinion that Ind win in aus in 2018 was due to missing first choice players?

Otherwise you are a Hypocrite and so is that [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] fellow who didn't rate victory vs depleted sides.

Hypocrisy is downplaying other's opinions and reasoning for months and then saying the same thing yourself when the shoe is on the other foot. You guys didn't agree with my opinion back then but now you are saying the exact same thing thereby proving me right once again.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

India playing with B team in this series, what is the point of this premature foolish celebrations thread?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India playing with B team in this series, what is the point of this premature foolish celebrations thread?

Learn to read properly. One test is already over and we have missed a golden opportunity to whitewash WTC champions at home. Thread also talks about ICC tournaments and our WTC loss. Any opinion about those or did you start crying prematurely after just reading the thread title?

 

[Dingolfy]

India playing with B team in this series, what is the point of this premature foolish celebrations thread?

But they played their B team in home conditions and they won the toss. You have to admit that Newzealand played better in our home than we did at their home.

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

But they played their B team in home conditions and they won the toss. You have to admit that Newzealand played better in our home than we did at their home.

We played against NZ's best team and not their F team

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

Hypocrisy is downplaying other's opinions and reasoning for months and then saying the same thing yourself when the shoe is on the other foot. You guys didn't agree with my opinion back then but now you are saying the exact same thing thereby proving me right once again.

Two questions, just answer in true or false.

1. Do you think that Nz drawing a match against India F is a good achievement. ?

2. Do you think Indias win against Aus C in 2018 was a good achievement?

I think both of them are good achievements, what about you?

 

[Dingolfy]

We played against NZ's best team and not their F team

All our premium spin bowlers played this team and Umesh is a better bowler in India than Bumrah. Only bowler we missed was Shami. But this our home and we have beaten better teams with the likes of Jayant Yadav. You can’t deny the brilliance of Kiwis.

 

[Rajdeep]

There are few aspects to this story which I want to summarize:

1) This is a premature thread by OP as he couldnt control his excitement on this draw. Bottomline is drawing a test means nothing. This thread would only make sense if Kiwis can either win/draw this series. Remember, Eng beat us in 1st test in Ahmedabad but no one remembers that as India went on to win the series handsomely.

2) I also dont agree with the excuse that we were missing xyz players. At home it dosen't matter how many players are missing, we should be winning everything - so no exucuse there. I agree similar arguement was given by OP himself when Smith/Warner was missing in 2018 tour but keeping that whataboutery aside, we should be winning test matches at home irrespective of any team we play.

#Truthbombs

 

[Ab Fan]

Tests is a wrong word used here. India have been invincibles at home and yet to be defeated or drawn by any team over a series from 2015 onwards.

Anyways, New Zealand are a great test team too as this is their best ever test team of all-time. However, from this generation, they are the second best ranked. India are the best ranked.

It is very similar to 2003 India tour of Australia which India draw vs Australia but that side was missing McGrath and Warne. That time Australia were no 1 while India was no.2.

In a same way, here NZ drew in India but this side was missing Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Pant, Rahul, Shami and Siraj.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Two questions, just answer in true or false.

1. Do you think that Nz drawing a match against India F is a good achievement. ?

2. Do you think Indias win against Aus C in 2018 was a good achievement?

I think both of them are good achievements, what about you?

I remember fans like you were screaming on my ears and telling me even though Aus was missing their star batsman they were playing their full strength bowling line up. India too was playing all their spinners in this match so how is it India F and why are you not calling that team Australia F? You are not only a hypocrite but also biased.

 

[IMMY69]

Lots of questions...

India A team beat the Aussies in Australia and then the India A team drew a test to the Kiwis in India (home conditions). Hmm.
Are Kohli, Sharma, Pant, Bumrah and Shami injured? Why were they not selected?

Finally, how many of the Kiwi players have experience of playing a test match in India?
Where was their best fast bowler (Boult) and their other two spinners (Sodhi & Santner)?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Credit must be given to NZ. They have been playing really good for a while and it shows.

Rightfully, the World Test Champions!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There are few aspects to this story which I want to summarize:

1) This is a premature thread by OP as he couldnt control his excitement on this draw. Bottomline is drawing a test means nothing. This thread would only make sense if Kiwis can either win/draw this series. Remember, Eng beat us in 1st test in Ahmedabad but no one remembers that as India went on to win the series handsomely.

2) I also dont agree with the excuse that we were missing xyz players. At home it dosen't matter how many players are missing, we should be winning everything - so no exucuse there. I agree similar arguement was given by OP himself when Smith/Warner was missing in 2018 tour but keeping that whataboutery aside, we should be winning test matches at home irrespective of any team we play.

#Truthbombs

It seems you are the only one who got excited in order to throw your truth bombs and didn't even read the OP properly. This thread talks about India's struggle to win the first test, matches against NZ in ICC tournaments and WTC final. Do you have an answer to why is it becoming hard for us to beat them? India will win the series but that is not the point of this thread. NZ crushed our team mercilessly in NZ, WTC final and T20 WC in UAE. Pretty sure UAE suits more to India then NZ. Kindly post your honest opinion in this thread.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Credit must be given to NZ. They have been playing really good for a while and it shows.

Rightfully, the World Test Champions!

Some fans were calling NZ's victory in WTC final a fluke. The fight NZ gave in this test shows that wasn't the case. Even if India wins this series it won't be easy and NZ will give much better fight then what India did in NZ.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

All our premium spin bowlers played this team and Umesh is a better bowler in India than Bumrah. Only bowler we missed was Shami. But this our home and we have beaten better teams with the likes of Jayant Yadav. You can’t deny the brilliance of Kiwis.

At least someone understood the point of this thread.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lots of questions...

India A team beat the Aussies in Australia and then the India A team drew a test to the Kiwis in India (home conditions). Hmm.
Are Kohli, Sharma, Pant, Bumrah and Shami injured? Why were they not selected?

Finally, how many of the Kiwi players have experience of playing a test match in India?
Where was their best fast bowler (Boult) and their other two spinners (Sodhi & Santner)?

They were also missing Conway who helped NZ win WTC final against India but that is not the point of this thread. NZ have beaten full strength Indian team in all big tournaments lately.

 

[street cricketer]

Lots of questions...

India A team beat the Aussies in Australia and then the India A team drew a test to the Kiwis in India (home conditions). Hmm.
Are Kohli, Sharma, Pant, Bumrah and Shami injured? Why were they not selected?

Finally, how many of the Kiwi players have experience of playing a test match in India?
Where was their best fast bowler (Boult) and their other two spinners (Sodhi & Santner)?

Sodhi and Santner are not their test spinners. Well they have played Test cricket but they have been disappointing and dropped. Ajaz Patel is their go-to test spinner.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Didnt Newzealand beat Pakistan in UAE by 2-1 recently? I wouldn’t call Kiwis a punching bad after that whooping at your home ground.������

We always thumped NZ in both Pakistan and New Zealand. Historically they're our favorite punching bag. Haven't you seen in the recent world cup? India somehow can't find a way to beat them.

 

[Rajdeep]

It seems you are the only one who got excited in order to throw your truth bombs and didn't even read the OP properly. This thread talks about India's struggle to win the first test, matches against NZ in ICC tournaments and WTC final. Do you have an answer to why is it becoming hard for us to beat them? India will win the series but that is not the point of this thread. NZ crushed our team mercilessly in NZ, WTC final and T20 WC in UAE. Pretty sure UAE suits more to India then NZ. Kindly post your honest opinion in this thread.

That is because you have created this thread i.e India struggles against NZ after this test match. Why not after the T20 series when we whitewashed them?

Drawing a match means nothing. India has drew many games overseas even on our worst tours. We drew a test in Australia in 2003, 2014 but no one really cares. Had we lost the Brisbane test last time after drawing in Sydeny, would anyone remembered? It is the series that matters. The bottomline is NZ had beaten us last time in test series when we toured them and we will beat them now. However we whitewashed them in T20 series both in their home and now in India as well.

As far as WTC final is concerned, how many times we have debated on that farce. It was heavily favoured for Kiwis in terms of scheduling. They got to play 2 test matches in similar conditions before the main game. So basically they got 3 test matches to lift the WTC as opposed to India who got only 1 shot. I will never agree any team as WTC winners unless we have 3 match series as finals (both home & away conditions)

Now for the Dubai T20 loss, it was all about toss. Every team that won the toss...had won the game. It is known as toss world cup for a reason. Not sure what is there to even debate about. NZ only got lucky with toss...had India won the toss, they would be winning that game too.

WC 2019 semi final - Rain screwed us. India would chase 239 anyday with eyes closed but it started raining. Next day, Kiwi bowlers got early morning mousture to bowl at where in reality they would be bowling in afternoon before. It was test match like bowling conditions next day morning and we folded cheaply.

Most NZ wins against India in ICC events are pure luck and most of it is overstated.

When we play a white ball series agains them - we whitewashed them in t20 series both in their home and in India.

In test matches, they beat us in their home and we will beat them here..

#Facts #WhenRajdeepSpeaks

 

[IMMY69]

Sodhi and Santner are not their test spinners. Well they have played Test cricket but they have been disappointing and dropped. Ajaz Patel is their go-to test spinner.

I think people should stop making excuses.
If Pakistan or England (two teams I support), drew or lost a game due to their main players being rested or not getting selected I would be angry at the selectors and the players for not playing. It's not the oppositions fault who is put up against them. So rather then hiding behind excuses we should just congratulate the opposition.

It doesn't matter which players India selected, each of then was playing for India and wearing the badge.
It's not the A or B team. It is Team India

 

[Babeikh]

India were desperately unlucky today

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

That is because you have created this thread i.e India struggles against NZ after this test match. Why not after the T20 series when we whitewashed them?

Drawing a match means nothing. India has drew many games overseas even on our worst tours. We drew a test in Australia in 2003, 2014 but no one really cares. Had we lost the Brisbane test last time after drawing in Sydeny, would anyone remembered? It is the series that matters. The bottomline is NZ had beaten us last time in test series when we toured them and we will beat them now. However we whitewashed them in T20 series both in their home and now in India as well.

As far as WTC final is concerned, how many times we have debated on that farce. It was heavily favoured for Kiwis in terms of scheduling. They got to play 2 test matches in similar conditions before the main game. So basically they got 3 test matches to lift the WTC as opposed to India who got only 1 shot. I will never agree any team as WTC winners unless we have 3 match series as finals (both home & away conditions)

Now for the Dubai T20 loss, it was all about toss. Every team that won the toss...had won the game. It is known as toss world cup for a reason. Not sure what is there to even debate about. NZ only got lucky with toss...had India won the toss, they would be winning that game too.

WC 2019 semi final - Rain screwed us. India would chase 239 anyday with eyes closed but it started raining. Next day, Kiwi bowlers got early morning mousture to bowl at where in reality they would be bowling in afternoon before. It was test match like bowling conditions next day morning and we folded cheaply.

Most NZ wins against India in ICC events are pure luck and most of it is overstated.

When we play a white ball series agains them - we whitewashed them in t20 series both in their home and in India.

In test matches, they beat us in their home and we will beat them here..

#Facts #WhenRajdeepSpeaks

So much for speaking facts lol. U said India had own the match already. . Poor u

 

[Vildoc]

It doesn't matter which players India selected, each of then was playing for India and wearing the badge.
It's not the A or B team. It is Team India[/QUOTE]

Congratulate the opposition for what? Saving their hides and escaped losing despite being the No1 side and playing a opposition's B side? No excuses about India fielding their B side but New Zealand given their ranking, strength and aura should have won the test. You can't keep on giving the excuse that this was not their home turf.

 

[Technics 1210]

The draw is hurting.

Bechare.

Ask Tendulkar fans, he was scoring centuries in draws for fun.

Must hurt.

 

[Devadwal]

I think people should stop making excuses.
If Pakistan or England (two teams I support), drew or lost a game due to their main players being rested or not getting selected I would be angry at the selectors and the players for not playing. It's not the oppositions fault who is put up against them. So rather then hiding behind excuses we should just congratulate the opposition.

It doesn't matter which players India selected, each of then was playing for India and wearing the badge.
It's not the A or B team. It is Team India

Yes its team india not team A or B but where were you when india won a test series in Australia first ever time .Australia were without Smith , Warner , Bancroft (lol) and Pentinson (lol) . Those time if you remembered then how PP Poster( Including OP) opened threads to Undermine india win

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It doesn't matter which players India selected, each of then was playing for India and wearing the badge.
It's not the A or B team. It is Team India

Congratulate the opposition for what? Saving their hides and escaped losing despite being the No1 side and playing a opposition's B side? No excuses about India fielding their B side but New Zealand given their ranking, strength and aura should have won the test. You can't keep on giving the excuse that this was not their home turf.[/QUOTE]

If I am not wrong full strength and number 1 Indian team couldn't even draw a test against NZ in NZ last time. None of their fans and coaches call their team the greatest of all time. There is no aura in NZ team. The only guy who has an aura is Hardik Pandya and he hardly perform these days.

 

[Technics 1210]

The draw is hurting.

Bechare.

Ask Tendulkar fans, he was scoring centuries in draws for fun.

Must hurt.

And losses.

Hehehe.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes its team india not team A or B but where were you when india won a test series in Australia first ever time .Australia were without Smith , Warner , Bancroft (lol) and Pentinson (lol) . Those time if you remembered then how PP Poster( Including OP) opened threads to Undermine india win

Yeah and none of you agreed with my opinion back then.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes its team india not team A or B but where were you when india won a test series in Australia first ever time .Australia were without Smith , Warner , Bancroft (lol) and Pentinson (lol) . Those time if you remembered then how PP Poster( Including OP) opened threads to Undermine india win

Is this thread about the one poster vs the rest of the Indian posters?

Winning in Australia was a find achievement by India, regardless of how many of the main players were missing from each side.

Just like Kiwis escaping this test with a draw was a fighting performance by them, irrespective of the players that were missing from each side.

Excuses about the players missing the game is just poor, especially when they're mostly being rested.

 

[Devadwal]

Yeah and none of you agreed with my opinion back then.

One simple question for you 'if Nz win Mumbai test and therefore series' then NZ series win have any asterisks attached or Not ?

 

[IMMY69]

It doesn't matter which players India selected, each of then was playing for India and wearing the badge.
It's not the A or B team. It is Team India

Congratulate the opposition for what? Saving their hides and escaped losing despite being the No1 side and playing a opposition's B side? No excuses about India fielding their B side but New Zealand given their ranking, strength and aura should have won the test. You can't keep on giving the excuse that this was not their home turf.[/QUOTE]

Test matches are not just won or lost, but a fighting draw can be a decent result too. So congratulations to both sides but in this match, more so to the Kiwis for getting draw.

Remember the Kiwis too were without one of their main batsmen and number 1 bowler.
They're also inexperienced in Indian conditions so for them to remain competitive and then to achieve the draw in itself is a worthy performance.

 

[Vildoc]

Test matches are not just won or lost, but a fighting draw can be a decent result too. So congratulations to both sides but in this match, more so to the Kiwis for getting draw.

Remember the Kiwis too were without one of their main batsmen and number 1 bowler.
They're also inexperienced in Indian conditions so for them to remain competitive and then to achieve the draw in itself is a worthy performance.[/QUOTE]

Hmm you gave a sane and reasonable reasoning. No shame in accepting your logic. Thanks dude.

 

[mastimasti]

In limited overs tournaments we have not done well against NZ for quite some time now and I believe it's because NZ are the superior tournament side in modern times.

In tests, we're still dominant over them, one draw does not change a thing.

 

[Devadwal]

Rahane and Dravid Combo is very defensive . when Saha and Axar were batting yesterday they didn't tell them to play fast and gave NZ 10 over to Play instead of four.

 

[Mp812]

Two questions, just answer in true or false.

1. Do you think that Nz drawing a match against India F is a good achievement. ?

2. Do you think Indias win against Aus C in 2018 was a good achievement?

I think both of them are good achievements, what about you?

Any win is an achievement even if it is against weakest of teams.
Not India's fault or NZ fault they played with some top players rested.

Anybody who tries to find reasons to undermine a victory by finding convenient reasons or blaming IPL for everything wrong in the world needs " help" and is close to being perfect example of hypocrite.
For ex Xyz player got injured in IPL so that's bad. As if before IPL players never ever got injured

 

[Stewie]

Because Indians don’t play swing bowling well. They have always struggled against top swing bowling in tests which explains their overall poor record in England, Pakistan and now a resurgent NZ with bowlers who can swing the ball.

Indians traditionally have done well against pace bowling with bounce but not against seam and swing so much. Lately NZ bowlers Boult, Southie and Jamieson, etc, have been wonderful exponents of swing bowling which has resulted in their overall consistent upper hand against India in all formats.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One simple question for you 'if Nz win Mumbai test and therefore series' then NZ series win have any asterisks attached or Not ?

Depends on what team India plays in the next test but NZ fans can also call that series win to be the greatest win of all time irrespective of whatever team India plays.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Any win is an achievement even if it is against weakest of teams.
Not India's fault or NZ fault they played with some top players rested.

Anybody who tries to find reasons to undermine a victory by finding convenient reasons or blaming IPL for everything wrong in the world needs " help" and is close to being perfect example of hypocrite.
For ex Xyz player got injured in IPL so that's bad. As if before IPL players never ever got injured

Yeah people should also not give an excuse of IPL fatigue, busy schedule, toss etc after losing the match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In limited overs tournaments we have not done well against NZ for quite some time now and I believe it's because NZ are the superior tournament side in modern times.

In tests, we're still dominant over them, one draw does not change a thing.

Last 4 tests : Won 0 Lost 3 Draw 1

What kind of dominance is this? Or are you talking about tests in India only?

 

[street cricketer]

Because Indians don’t play swing bowling well. They have always struggled against top swing bowling in tests which explains their overall poor record in England, Pakistan and now a resurgent NZ with bowlers who can swing the ball.

Indians traditionally have done well against pace bowling with bounce but not against seam and swing so much. Lately NZ bowlers Boult, Southie and Jamieson, etc, have been wonderful exponents of swing bowling which has resulted in their overall consistent upper hand against India in all formats.

This is actually true. I would add that it's this generation of Indian batsmen who are weak against swing. Indians didn't used to be this bad against swing.

 

[Marathonrunner]

Great performance by India despite the fact that some big names were missing . Unfortunate that bad light stopped play else they would have won. Rahane could have been more attacking and could have declared by 250 ish to get that extra few overs

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Great performance by India despite the fact that some big names were missing . Unfortunate that bad light stopped play else they would have won. Rahane could have been more attacking and could have declared by 250 ish to get that extra few overs

First thing that came to my mind as well. India should have accelerated the RR and try to sneak in more overs.

 

[Stewie]

This is actually true. I would add that it's this generation of Indian batsmen who are weak against swing. Indians didn't used to be this bad against swing.

Indians have not been overall as good at playing swing, EVER! But then again who is?

India always had a poor record in swing bowling conditions. In the 80s, Indians always struggled against Pakistan on Pakistani pitches which were green tops thanks to Imran. Same story in England which has been fairly consistent even today. India does bad there with Dukes ball swinging a lot.

Pakistan always did better in England because our bowlers papered over our batting but India never had that luxury. They performed better in Australia and SA compared to Pakistan because their batsmen negotiate the bounce there better than Pakistan. I bet india will struggle in NZ as well because the conditions there are similar to England.

It’s varying levels of skill in play here between india and pakistan.

 

[Space Cat]

Did India have some players missing?

I havent heard it mentioned at all.

 

[Concerned]

Not sure what missing players has got to do with anything. Will the ICC mark this match as a draw and add notes with what players were missing?

NZ the touring team can only play whatever team is put in front of them.

 

[Concerned]

NZ batted day 5 facing India first frontline spinners and managed to do so. Well played to them

 

[Walawalkar]

Hypocrisy is downplaying other's opinions and reasoning for months and then saying the same thing yourself when the shoe is on the other foot. You guys didn't agree with my opinion back then but now you are saying the exact same thing thereby proving me right once again.

Hypocrisy is opening a thread for a team who somehow drawn a test due to bad light against a team who resting half of their team Before shamelessly defending a team losing a series for missing 2 of their players because of cheating
Sit down sir you have expose yourself big time as usual...Now tell me how one should believe you are actually Indian supporter...carry on with your agenda..

 

[Walawalkar]

They have already drawn one test. No chance of a whitewash. NZ crushed us at their home. We were struggling to even fight there and they drew one match already. Even if we win the next test it will still be disappointed result.

OP have already hedge himself for second test because he pretty much sure India gonna thrash New Zealand in Mumbai.. Series result already termed as disappointing because Indian Ranji team failed to beat World champions in Kanpur...Now Imagine Pitch even slightly end up helping Spinners on day 5 and India end up winning he would have done bhangra here discrediting win calling deck as rank Turner.. Expecting one more thread from OP for Wankhede pitch...on on

 

[par]

No 1 test team NZ couldn't win a test in a pace friendly wicket against a heavily depleted team.

Do they deserve their No 1 ranking?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hypocrisy is opening a thread for a team who somehow drawn a test due to bad light against a team who resting half of their team Before shamelessly defending a team losing a series for missing 2 of their players because of cheating
Sit down sir you have expose yourself big time as usual...Now tell me how one should believe you are actually Indian supporter...carry on with your agenda..

Stop crying for god sake. All of us saw what a full strength Indian team did to NZ in NZ, in semi final of 2019 WC, WTC final and 2021 T20 WC. Problem is just like BCCI some of you fans don't take NZ seriously and they regularly thrash Indian team on big occasions. The first step is to accept that NZ is a big team and give them credit for all those wins. You guys are always looking for excuses. Even in T20 WC sone of you gave an excuse of losing the toss. I mean how can you blame the toss for scoring just 110 in a T20 match in the first inning of the match? May be NZ played better in that match?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

OP have already hedge himself for second test because he pretty much sure India gonna thrash New Zealand in Mumbai.. Series result already termed as disappointing because Indian Ranji team failed to beat World champions in Kanpur...Now Imagine Pitch even slightly end up helping Spinners on day 5 and India end up winning he would have done bhangra here discrediting win calling deck as rank Turner.. Expecting one more thread from OP for Wankhede pitch...on on

OP is surely doing bhangra on your head that is why you are assuming things about me instead of commenting on the topic at hand.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No 1 test team NZ couldn't win a test in a pace friendly wicket against a heavily depleted team.

Do they deserve their No 1 ranking?

It is ok. Even number 1 ranked Indian team failed to draw a test in NZ last time. At least NZ gave us a fight and managed to draw a match but I still think it was a moral victory for India.

 

[Bahnz]

A lot of unnecessary hand wringing in this thread from India fans. NZ are a very good team, but even with India resting at least 5 first choice players they were still comfortably better in this test. Even accounting for the advantage of winning the toss, their bowlers were more penetrative, their batmen able to score much more freely and were it not for bad light they probably would've got over the line.