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Why is Pakistan not doing enough to highlight the brutal torture of Muslims by China?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As much as I despise Imran, I did not enjoy him getting humiliated in this fashion. He did not anticipate that he would be put on the spot like this and was clearly not prepared.

He was dumbstruck with fear, and the best he could do was to mutter "I don't know".

Imran is forgetting that this is not Pakistani media. Our blatant hypocrisy will not get a pass, and he will have to answer tough questions. However, I am sure he will learn his lesson now and will be better prepared in the future to defend the atrocities of big daddy.

Well this is the best answer IK can give. He cant criticize china, he cant support them or be neutral. Best is to duck the question.
 
Does USA, UK , France government criticize Israel, India or Saudi Arabia publicly ?
Not many Muslim countries have spoken for Kashmir.
Good response by Imran, what China does with his citizen is not our business. He needs focus on his own countries human right for minorities.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As much as I despise Imran, I did not enjoy him getting humiliated in this fashion. He did not anticipate that he would be put on the spot like this and was clearly not prepared.

He was dumbstruck with fear, and the best he could do was to mutter "I don't know".

Imran is forgetting that this is not Pakistani media. Our blatant hypocrisy will not get a pass, and he will have to answer tough questions. However, I am sure he will learn his lesson now and will be better prepared in the future to defend the atrocities of big daddy.

What would your advice be to Imran as to how to answer this type of troll questioning?
 
What would your advice be to Imran as to how to answer this type of troll questioning?

What trolling? It is legitimate question. We take great pride in our (self-appointed) role as custodians of Islam, but somehow we continue to overlook the horrific treatment of Muslims at the hands of big daddy.

Obviously we cannot criticize them because they have held us by our balls, so why not defend them with confidence?

We are only making ourselves look worse with our PM and savior bumbling nervously, hoping that he wouldn’t say something that would make big daddy angry.
 
What trolling? It is legitimate question. We take great pride in our (self-appointed) role as custodians of Islam, but somehow we continue to overlook the horrific treatment of Muslims at the hands of big daddy.

Obviously we cannot criticize them because they have held us by our balls, so why not defend them with confidence?

We are only making ourselves look worse with our PM and savior bumbling nervously, hoping that he wouldn’t say something that would make big daddy angry.

Aren't you always criticising Pakistanis for talking about the plight of Kashmiris who are being oppressed in India? I don't understand why you would be okay for Pakistan to be silent there, but expect Pakistani PMs to be vocal in criticism of an ally nation?
 
Aren't you always criticising Pakistanis for talking about the plight of Kashmiris who are being oppressed in India? I don't understand why you would be okay for Pakistan to be silent there, but expect Pakistani PMs to be vocal in criticism of an ally nation?

My point is that if we are going to fight for human rights and Muslim rights selectively, we should be prepared for the fact that we will be called out on our hypocrisy.

We should also stop taking pride in how we show concern for the plight of the Muslims unlike some other countries. Clearly, the welfare of Muslims is less important to us than the political and financial support of a faithless state.

If our unhappy with our hypocrisy, we should criticize China. If we are happy with our hypocrisy, we should defend them with confidence.
 
Does USA, UK , France government criticize Israel, India or Saudi Arabia publicly ?
Not many Muslim countries have spoken for Kashmir.
Good response by Imran, what China does with his citizen is not our business. He needs focus on his own countries human right for minorities.

Yes he should focus on his own country and stop lecturing Indians or Israelis or Afghans or anyone else.
 
Clearly the point of why Pakistanis support plight of Kashmiris, Indian Muslims or even Palestinians and don’t do the same for Uiyghurs or Muslims in Sudan or in Dagestan is lost on people. Or do they wilfully ignore the reason because it doesn’t go with their narrative?

Pakistanis share cultural and historical links with Indian Muslims and Kashmiris while Palestine has religious significance for every Muslim due to the regions place in Islamic history and traditions. We share no such links or relation with Uiyghurs or Dagestani Muslims for example and hence that is why you do not see Pakistanis raising the same voice for these groups.

This is pretty simple logic to understand if people had a few brain cells to rub together but as I said maybe accepting that goes against their own self believing narrative and opens uncomfortable truths.

As for the interview from Imran Khan. Clearly he is uncomfortable and needs to prepare an answer in the future
 
Pakistanis share cultural and historical links with Indian Muslims and Kashmiris while Palestine has religious significance for every Muslim due to the regions place in Islamic history and traditions.

Did see a thread here about Serbian atrocities on Bosnian muslims when Pak shares nothing in common with those people. The brotherhood does seem selective based on how friendly the oppressor is to Pakistan's interests.

Supporting the rights of the Houthis or Uyghurs seems unfashionable in these parts for very obvious reasons..
 
After this embarrassing interview, I predict Imran won't do any more international tv appearances. He certainly won't do Indian TV like he used to before because this hypocrisy with Xinjiang and his Kashmir statements would be the first thing an indian anchor would ask.

To all the Indians here.

Look closer to Home and see the conditions of Indian Muslim and occupied Kashmiris before lecturing us about China. Heck even your relationship with Israel.

We KNOW your motive.

Great answer by Imran to the attempts by the newsreader, first acknowledging how much good work the Chinese have done with Pakistan for future financial stability and opportunity, then confirming that he would address the Uihgur issue with the Chinese confidentially, never in public for the benefit of enemy trolls.

She must be aware that Pakistan is not a rich or powerful Muslim country and therefore cannot afford to publicly fight against one of it's few international allies. Pakistan has a stark choice here: either they can continue down the secular route and treat friends and enemies according to self interest, or they can take the theocratic route and support all Muslim brethren worldwide regardless of the consequence.

As Madplayer has said, that would probably mean Khilafat ISIS style, in which case the woman interviewer asking for Islamic solidarity would be taken to one side and immediately slam-dunked into a burkha. Do you think that is the result the lady is seeking?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As much as I despise Imran, I did not enjoy him getting humiliated in this fashion. He did not anticipate that he would be put on the spot like this and was clearly not prepared.

He was dumbstruck with fear, and the best he could do was to mutter "I don't know".

Imran is forgetting that this is not Pakistani media. Our blatant hypocrisy will not get a pass, and he will have to answer tough questions. However, I am sure he will learn his lesson now and will be better prepared in the future to defend the atrocities of big daddy.



In my view which can be wrong PM sahib knows quite well about Uighur Muslims.


Imran Khan talks about Kashmiri, Palestinian, Afghan and Rohingyan Muslims. It's highly unlikely that He isn't aware of Uighur Muslims.



He should have said that it's China's internal matter and we do not intend to poke our nose in sovereign countries internal matters.
 
Clearly the point of why Pakistanis support plight of Kashmiris, Indian Muslims or even Palestinians and don’t do the same for Uiyghurs or Muslims in Sudan or in Dagestan is lost on people. Or do they wilfully ignore the reason because it doesn’t go with their narrative?

Pakistanis share cultural and historical links with Indian Muslims and Kashmiris while Palestine has religious significance for every Muslim due to the regions place in Islamic history and traditions. We share no such links or relation with Uiyghurs or Dagestani Muslims for example and hence that is why you do not see Pakistanis raising the same voice for these groups.



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What about Kosovan or Bosnian Muslims?

Or chechnyans?

Pakistanis always supported all of them, its just that China is an all weather friend...
 
Great answer by Imran to the attempts by the newsreader, first acknowledging how much good work the Chinese have done with Pakistan for future financial stability and opportunity, then confirming that he would address the Uihgur issue with the Chinese confidentially, never in public for the benefit of enemy trolls.

Imran showed again that how he has changed his seat before election and after becoming a PM of the country. How China is taking over Pakistan and how CPEC is bad for the country was one of his top subject and how he will change that after he becomes PM.

Imran has done so many U turns and for the topic of China, he literally backstab Pakistanis.

I am sure you will find many videos of his to prove how he was opposing Chinese invasion in Pakistan infrastructure and economy.

so again this interview showed him as a very hypocrite not only about his stand for Muslims from different countries but how drastically he has changed his agenda and became a slave of the system.
 
I don't think it is a top secret on why Pakistan do not utter a word on Chinese Muslims and it is quite undestable given how Chinese money supporting Pakistani economy.

I don't think any other PM would have acted differently. My only problem with Imran is how he 360 on Chinese master.

I do think he did ok on interview though, there was no better way to answer that particular question.
 
Did see a thread here about Serbian atrocities on Bosnian muslims when Pak shares nothing in common with those people. The brotherhood does seem selective based on how friendly the oppressor is to Pakistan's interests.

Supporting the rights of the Houthis or Uyghurs seems unfashionable in these parts for very obvious reasons..

Do share that thread or are you pulling it out of your behind?
 
My point is that if we are going to fight for human rights and Muslim rights selectively, we should be prepared for the fact that we will be called out on our hypocrisy.

We should also stop taking pride in how we show concern for the plight of the Muslims unlike some other countries. Clearly, the welfare of Muslims is less important to us than the political and financial support of a faithless state.

If our unhappy with our hypocrisy, we should criticize China. If we are happy with our hypocrisy, we should defend them with confidence.

i guess the neutral Brit Rishwat is in b[r]it of a spot on how to counter this :)
 
What about Kosovan or Bosnian Muslims?

Or chechnyans?

Pakistanis always supported all of them, its just that China is an all weather friend...

There was no mass support for kosovar or Bosnian muslims. Heck I can wager 90% Pakistanis don’t even know if their existence
 
i guess the neutral Brit Rishwat is in b[r]it of a spot on how to counter this :)

Not at all, I answered this quite nicely from a neutral point of view which most sane people would understand. Do you think we Brits do trade with Saudi Arabia because of their marvellous religion or exemplary human rights record? No, it is because it is in our trade and investment interests.

I am sure Pakistan views China in much the same way. As the magnificent Pakistani PM has said, with important allies, criticism is done confidentially, and not to score cheap politic points, this is something that Indians and resident India cheerleaders should take note of.

Let's go cheerleaders: give me an M, give me an A give me a M-OO-M! :)
 
It is hilarious that someone can think that Pakistan has absolutely any power or capacity to say anything against China or criticism or interfere on Chinese matter , either in public or in private.

China is a giant and do not like someone counter them or argues with them. Bottom line is that IK actually done what he was asked to, keep shut when it comes to any Chinese internal matters. He did brilliantly.
 
It's called diplomatic skills, a concept which this OP and several other posters are lacking in.
 
There was no mass support for kosovar or Bosnian muslims. Heck I can wager 90% Pakistanis don’t even know if their existence

Kosovo , maybe not

But Bosnian Muslims were a huge issue among Pakistanis in the late 90s, as were Chechnyans…..
 
Now IK is definitely not to blame, he could not have answered in a better way, he is the leader of a country and his responsibility is his country's welfare, and not the Ummah
 

Kosovo , maybe not

But Bosnian Muslims were a huge issue among Pakistanis in the late 90s, as were Chechnyans…..

Supporting and having mass protests at people level is something else

I repeat the support and sympathy for Bosnian and especially kosovo (which Pakistan still does not recognise) Muslims is not even a third of support you see for Kashmiris, rohingyas or palestinians
 
He answered poorly, but really his priority is to Pakistan.
 
China expands crackdown on mosques outside Xinjiang, Human Rights Watch says

The Chinese government has expanded its campaign of closing mosques to regions other than Xinjiang, where for years it has been blamed for persecuting Muslim minorities, according to a Human Rights Watch report released Wednesday.

Authorities have closed mosques in the northern Ningxia region as well as Gansu province, which are home to large populations of Hui Muslims, as part of a process known officially as “consolidation,” according to the report, which draws on public documents, satellite images and witness testimonies.

Local authorities also have been removing architectural features of mosques to make them look more “Chinese," part of a campaign by the ruling Communist Party to tighten control over religion and reduce the risk of possible challenges to its rule.
President Xi Jinping in 2016 called for the “Sinicization” of religions, initiating a crackdown that has largely concentrated on the western region of Xinjiang, home to more than 11 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities.

A United Nations report last year found China may have committed “crimes against humanity” in Xinjiang, including through its construction of a network of extrajudicial internment camps believed to have held at least 1 million Uyghurs, Huis, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.

Chinese authorities have decommissioned, closed down, demolished or converted mosques for secular use in regions outside Xinjiang as part of a campaign aimed at cracking down on religious expression, according to Human Rights Watch.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry did not immediately answer faxed questions seeking comment on the report and its official policies toward Muslim minorities.

One of the first known references to “mosque consolidation” appears in an internal party document from April 2018 that was leaked to U.S. media as part of a trove of documents known as the “Xinjiang Papers.” The file instructed state agencies throughout the country to “strengthen the standardized management of the construction, renovation and expansion of Islamic religious venues” and stressed that “there should not be newly built Islamic venues” in order to “compress the overall number (of mosques).”

“The Chinese government is not ‘consolidating’ mosques as it claims, but closing many down in violation of religious freedom,” said Maya Wang, acting China director at Human Rights Watch. “The Chinese government’s closure, destruction and repurposing of mosques is part of a systematic effort to curb the practice of Islam in China.”

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China is closing, destroying and repurposing mosques, Human Rights Watch (HRW) has alleged in a new report.

The crackdown is part of a "systematic effort" to curb the practice of Islam in China, HRW said.

There are about 20 million Muslims in China, which is officially atheist but says it allows religious freedom.

Observers, however, say there has been an increased crackdown on organised religion in recent years - with Beijing seeking greater control.

The BBC contacted China's foreign ministry and ethnic affairs commission for comment in advance of publication of the HRW report.

"The Chinese government's closure, destruction and repurposing of mosques is part of a systemic effort to curb the practice of Islam in China," said Maya Wang, acting China director at Human Rights Watch.

The report follows mounting evidence of systematic human rights abuses against Uyghur Muslims in China's north-western Xinjiang region. Beijing denies the accusations of abuse.

Most of China's Muslims live in the country's north-west, which includes Xinjiang, Qinghai, Gansu and Ningxia.

In the Muslim-majority village of Liaoqiao in the autonomous region of Ningxia, three of six mosques have been stripped of their domes and minarets, according to HRW. The rest have had their main prayer halls destroyed, it said.

Satellite footage obtained by HRW showed a round dome at a mosque in Liaoqiao village being replaced by a Chinese-style pagoda sometime between October 2018 and January 2020.

About 1,300 mosques in Ningxia have been closed or converted since 2020, Hannah Theaker, a scholar on Chinese Muslims, told the BBC. That number represents a third of the total mosques in the region.

Under China's leader Xi Jinping the Communist Party has sought to align religion with its political ideology and Chinese culture.

In 2018, the Chinese Communist Party's central committee published a document that referred to the control and consolidation of mosques. It urged state governments to "demolish more and build fewer, and make efforts to compress the overall number" of such structures.

The construction, layout and funding of mosques must be "strictly monitored", according to the document.

Such repression has been most longstanding and severe in Tibet and Xinjiang, but it has also extended to other areas.

There are two major Muslim ethnic groups in China. The Huis are descended from Muslims who arrived in China in the 8th Century during the Tang Dynasty. The second group is the Uyghurs, mostly residing in Xinjiang. About two-thirds of the mosques in Xinjiang have been damaged or destroyed since 2017, according to a report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, an independent think-tank.

"Generally speaking, Ningxia has been a pilot site for implementation of the 'Sinicisation' policy, and hence, both renovations and mergers appear to have begun in Ningxia ahead of other provinces," says Dr Theaker, who is co-writing a report on Hui Muslims with David Stroup, an academic specialising in Chinese politics. Dr Theaker lectures at the University of Plymouth while Dr Stroup is with the University of Manchester.

"Sinicisation" refers to Mr Xi's efforts to transform religious beliefs to reflect Chinese culture and society.

The Chinese government claims the consolidation of mosques - which often happens when villagers are relocated or combined - helps reduce the economic burden on Muslims, but some Hui Muslims believe it is part of efforts to redirect their loyalty towards the Party.

Some residents have publicly opposed these "Sinicisation" policies, but their resistance has so far been futile. Over the years, many have been jailed or detained after clashing with authorities over the closure or demolition of mosques.

After removing external elements from mosques, local governments would then remove facilities essential for religious activities such as ablution halls and preacher's podiums, according to US-based Hui activist Ma Ju.

"When people stop going [to the mosques, the authorities] would then use that as an excuse to close the mosques," he is quoted as saying in the Human Rights Watch report.

Another video verified by HRW showed an ablution hall in Liujiaguo mosque in southern Ningxia being demolished shortly after the removal of its two minarets and a dome.

In Gansu province, which shares a border with Ningxia, officials have made periodic announcements of mosques being closed down, consolidated and altered.

In 2018, authorities banned minors under 16 from participating in religious activities or study in Linxia, a city in the province previously known as China's "Little Mecca". A 2019 report by a local television station said authorities converted several mosques into "workspaces" and "cultural centres" after "painstaking ideological education and guidance work".

Before the "Sinicisation" campaigns, Hui Muslims have in many ways been receiving support and encouragement from the state, said Dr Theaker.

"The campaign has radically narrowed the space in which it is possible to be Muslim in China, and thrown the weight of the state behind a very particular vision of patriotism and religious observance.

"It reflects the profoundly Islamophobic orientation of the state, in that it requires Muslims to demonstrate patriotism above all, and views any sign of 'foreign' influence as a threat," she said.

Arab and Muslim leaders across the world should be "asking questions and raising concerns", said Elaine Pearson, Human Rights Watch's Asia director.

Other ethnic and religious minorities have also been affected by the government's campaign.

For instance, Beijing has in recent months replaced the use of "Tibet" with "Xizang" - the region's name in Mandarin - on official diplomatic documents. The authorities have also removed crosses from churches, arrested pastors and pulled Bibles from online stores.

Source: BBC

 
The lack of religious freedom for Chinese Muslims is due to government policies in China. This issue may not get attention due to censorship, limited media coverage in China. And no muslim country will ever highlight it because they depend on china for their economy.
 
The Chinese are not our friends, they too are evil like the Inds in Kashmir, Burmese against Rohingya, the Israelis with the Palestinians. We must, as Muslims also endeavour to treat our minorities with the respect and dignity they too deserve.
 
The west have agendas against any regime that has any threat to their so called supremacy. As far as China goes who are always consistent to push for peace in all regions are being tarnished comprehensively.

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Diplomats from 30 Muslim countries visited China’s Xinjiang region

A delegation of 32 envoys and senior diplomats from 30 Muslim-majority countries have paid a visit to China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region at the invitation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to learn about the region’s economic and social development.

The five-day visit took place last week and included envoys from countries including Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Pakistan. The delegation visited the provincial capital Urumqi in addition to Kashgar and Aksu prefectures. They were met by Ma Xingrui, secretary of the Party Committee of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

A spokesperson for theFforeign Ministry, Hua Chunying said the diplomats visited mosques, Islamic schools, museums, old city renovation, grassroots communities, technology enterprises, green development and rural revitalisation projects.

“Members of the delegation expressed that the Chinese government adheres to the people-centred approach and has made great achievements in promoting the governance and development of Xinjiang,” she said.

“We sincerely welcome friends from all over the world to have the opportunity to visit Xinjiang in the future to experience the beauty, harmony and development of Xinjiang,” she added.

According to China’s CGTN, the delegation “witnessed Xinjiang’s achievements in social stability, economic development, the improvement of people’s livelihoods, religious harmony and cultural prosperity, expressing their hopes that exchanges and cooperation with the region would be deepened.”

Algeria’s Ambassador to China, Hassane Rabehi, was quoted by local media as saying, “The fruit here is so sweet, just like the life of the people here”, adding that he got to know the “real situation” of Xinjiang, where the rights of people of all ethnic groups are well protected, said reports.

Following the event, a press release by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that envoys expressed that “freedom of religious belief and various rights of Muslims are duly guaranteed.” And that what the delegation saw and heard along the way “is completely different from what some Western media reported.”

The US, its allies and the World Uyghur Congress have accused Beijing of committing genocide against the mostly-Muslim Uyghur ethnic minority which is contested by the Chinese government which claims they are combatting terrorism and separatism.

In 2019, 22 mostly Western countries in a joint statement to the High Commissioner to the UN condemned China’s crackdown on Uyghur Muslims. However, a day later, 37 other countries signed their own letter defending Beijing’s human rights record, and dismissing the reported detention of up to two million Muslims. Nearly half of the signatories were Muslim-majority nations.

On 31 July, a day before the delegation visited China, thousands of protestors staged demonstrations in solidarity with China’s Uyghurs as part of the Stand4Uyghurs campaign.

 
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