Why Is Patriarchy Seen As A Bad Thing?

[SalimBhai]

When did this happen? I never wrote this (bolded part).

I didn't call bikini-wearing women animals. Another false accusation.

I respect women. I have many female friends. Most of them like me.

I only have low opinion on radical liberalism.

Well you got proved wrong on the bikini part by champ. Regarding hijabi animals please go to the Iranian section to get your fill.

 

[sweep_shot]

You clearly said Women in Bikinis act like Animals

This was your post 1140. Now own up your comment.

"Progress doesn't mean you wear bikini and act like an animal. We have some upper-class and upper-middle class radical liberal females who behave like this; but, they tend to keep it private. "

You cherry picked a comment and took it out of context. Stop acting like CNN.

I was taking a dig at promiscuous women. Yes. I think promiscuity is animalesque behavior.

Do not take everything literally without understanding context.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You cherry picked a comment and took it out of context. Stop acting like CNN.

I was taking a dig at promiscuous women. Yes. I think promiscuity is animalesque behavior.

Do not take everything literally without understanding context.

Just accept that you made a pathetic comment and hoped to get away. When shown what you have said, you say it is cherry picking and out of context. You can be a very good politician.

 

[sweep_shot]

Just accept that you made a pathetic comment and hoped to get away. When shown what you have said, you say it is cherry picking and out of context. You can be a very good politician.

I urge you to not take my comment out of context.

I am anti-bikini and anti-promiscuity but I didn't call any woman an animal. I simply called promiscuity an animalesque behavior.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I urge you to not take my comment out of context.

I am anti-bikini and anti-promiscuity but I didn't call any woman an animal. I simply called promiscuity an animalesque behavior.

If it makes you sleep well. You believe any woman that wears a bikini is an animal. Your posts also indicate that T-Shirt and Jeans are immoral. Its clear as day.

 

[sweep_shot]

If it makes you sleep well. You believe any woman that wears a bikini is an animal. Your posts also indicate that T-Shirt and Jeans are immoral. Its clear as day.

False accusation yet again. I never called any woman an animal. Show me one post where I specifically called a woman an animal.

I called out promiscuity. I called out rebellious behavior. Learn the difference.

 

[Robert]

Atheism is the cornerstone of radical liberalism. I agree.

Then you do not understand liberalism.

Locke was a Calvinist. Voltaire was a Deist. The Founding Fathers of the USA were all either Christians or Deists. John Stuart Mill was an agnostic.

I personally know plenty of Methodist liberals, and have met atheist socialists and atheist conservatives.

 

[Robert]

Progress doesn't mean you wear bikini and act like an animal.

Oh dear.

 

[sweep_shot]

Let me make something clear. I respect good and dignifying women. I respect Christian nuns, Amish women, and hijabi Muslim women.

Islam puts great importance to mothers. Here's one Hadith: "Paradise is under the feet of mothers." It shows how important mother is in Islam.

I respect Mother Mary (peace be upon her) who is the mother of Jesus (PBUH). I respect wives (peace be upon them) of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

I only call out modern day phony radical feminists. These are the ones who affect societies negatively.

 

[sweep_shot]

Oh dear.

This has been clarified.

I was calling out promiscuity.

 

[Robert]

This has been clarified.

I was calling out promiscuity.

If you keep writing 'animals' in the same phrase as 'bikini', what are people going to think?

 

[Junaids]

This has been clarified.

I was calling out promiscuity.

But your definition of promiscuity is completely different to what those of us in the west call promiscuity - you consider a woman having one sexual partner before marriage to be "promiscuous".

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals justify homosexuality through animals, but then have a problem when human civility is compared with animals.

Nuff said.

 

[sweep_shot]

Liberals justify homosexuality through animals, but the have a problem when human civility is compared with animals.

Nuff said.

Yup.

Radical leftists do not understand what is normal and what is not. They do not understand what is decent and what is not.

There is nothing decent about promiscuity. Anyone who thinks promiscuity is okay really doesn't have a well-functioning brain.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yup.

Radical leftists do not understand what is normal and what is not. They do not understand what is decent and what is not.

There is nothing decent about promiscuity. Anyone who thinks promiscuity is okay really doesn't have a well-functioning brain.

Did you notice in this thread, when the point of males dominating nature, was swiftly ignored by radical liberals?

Liberals : We will use nature to justify homosexuality, but we will not use nature to justify patriarchy.

Hypocrisy to the max.

 

[sweep_shot]

Liberals : We will use nature to justify homosexuality, but we will not use nature to justify patriarchy.

Hypocrisy to the max.

Bingo!

I agree.

Leftists only accept nature when it suits their agenda but go all "progressive" when it doesn't.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bingo!

I agree.

Leftists only accept nature when it suits their agenda but go all "progressive" when it doesn't.

I expect Liberals, in defence, to pull out examples where the female is dominate in nature, but these are extenuating examples, just like homosexually in nature.

Liberals have no place to hide their hypocrisy and duplicity.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I don’t know why posters like sweep_shot are against liberals. Liberals are the ones that defend Muslims and Islam. They are Pro Islam and anti Patriarchy.

Right wing are against Islam and support traditional gender roles. More in line with sweep_shot’s views when it comes to gender.

Looks like Sweep_Shot favors right over left.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don’t know why posters like sweep_shot are against liberals. Liberals are the ones that defend Muslims and Islam. They are Pro Islam and anti Patriarchy.

Right wing are against Islam and support traditional gender roles. More in line with sweep_shot’s views when it comes to gender.

Looks like Sweep_Shot favors right over left.

I am against radical liberals.

They promote things like promiscuity, premarital sex etc. What do you think Islam's position on premarital sex?

Also, stop trying to associate west to this thread. This is a general thread. I am also referring to desi radical liberals here.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am against radical liberals.

They promote things like promiscuity. What do you think Islam's opinion is on promiscuity?

I know what Islam says. The topic is not on Islam. It’s patriarchy.

Does Jeans and T-shirt promote promiscuity?

 

[sweep_shot]

I know what Islam says. The topic is not on Islam. It’s patriarchy.

Does Jeans and T-shirt promote promiscuity?

Where did Jeans and t-shirt come from?

 

[sweep_shot]

This was never meant to be a religious thread. Not sure why Champ_pal brings up Islam here.

 

[Junaids]

I am against radical liberals.

They promote things like promiscuity, premarital sex etc. What do you think Islam's position on premarital sex?

Also, stop trying to associate west to this thread. This is a general thread. I am also referring to desi radical liberals here.

Can you please answer the earlier question?

How many sexual partners outside marriage makes a woman be classified as “promiscuous” in your opinion?

20? 15?

I strongly suspect your answer is actually that you define promiscuity in a woman as “even one sexual partner outside marriage”.

It’s very relevant, given that you are the self-appointed guardian of sexual morality for your future wife and daughters.

 

[Junaids]

I am against radical liberals.

They promote things like promiscuity, premarital sex etc. What do you think Islam's position is on premarital sex?

You yourself said that this thread is not about Islam.

Over 95% of Christians and Jews in advanced societies practice premarital sex. Their priests and rabbis do too.

Your only argument against it is to insult the practice, without any justification other than ancient religious dogma which predates modern contraception and sexual health medicine.

Alarmingly, the only women you applaud as virtuous are nuns, Amish women and Ultr-Orthodox Jews. So you clearly cannot and will not tolerate women who exhibit their sexuality.

 

[sweep_shot]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

I no longer want to respond to you on this thread after 1200+ posts. You can tag me on other threads. There is nothing left for us to discuss here. You need to learn how to agree to disagree.

Opposing premarital sex and promiscuity are not crimes anywhere in the world. If anything, premarital sex and promiscuity are frowned upon in most cultures.

You can read post #1197 about my views regarding benevolent patriarchy.

 

[Robert]

I don’t know why posters like sweep_shot are against liberals. Liberals are the ones that defend Muslims and Islam. They are Pro Islam and anti Patriarchy.

Right wing are against Islam and support traditional gender roles. More in line with sweep_shot’s views when it comes to gender.

Looks like Sweep_Shot favors right over left.

Important to remember that liberalism does not mean left. It means freedom from state coercion.

The liberals are the Muslims’ best friends in the West. Yet some Muslims cleave to the conservatives who secretly hate them and would deport them but for the liberals.

On homosexuality - liberals treat homophobia and Islamophobia as equally reprehensible. Either one is for individual freedom from coercion - all coercion - or one is not.

Of course the homophobia espoused by some Muslims causes liberals a problem. How can one support an historically oppressed minority when that minority chooses to oppress another minority?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Important to remember that liberalism does not mean left. It means freedom from state coercion.

The liberals are the Muslims’ best friends in the West. Yet some Muslims cleave to the conservatives who secretly hate them and would deport them but for the liberals.

On homosexuality - liberals treat homophobia and Islamophobia as equally reprehensible. Either one is for individual freedom from coercion - all coercion - or one is not.

Of course the homophobia espoused by some Muslims causes liberals a problem. How can one support an historically oppressed minority when that minority chooses to oppress another minority?

Liberals and left and synonymous in US.

Liberals and left go nuts when one of their favorite minority decides to oppress their other favorite minority. Its like a mother trying to decide between her 2 children.

 

[Robert]

We have come a long way.

Just to reiterate and just to be back to the topic, here are my positions regarding benevolent

That’s all rationalisation of something deeper.

Just to reiterate everyone else’s position: why are you scared of female sexuality?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

So, if a few women take hijabs off and protest, are you going to say all women are against the status quo?

There are always a few naive women in every country. They should be penalized if they cause disorders in society.

FYI, This happened in London. What's wrong there?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A female Pakistani minister <a href="https://twitter.com/Marriyum_A?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Marriyum_A</a> is being harassed on the streets of London for not wearing a head scarf while women are protesting in Iran about head scarf police. <a href="https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@metpoliceuk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCLondonNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCLondonNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MayorofLondon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WomenforWomen?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WomenforWomen</a> <a href="https://t.co/meDAMPzTnf">https://t.co/meDAMPzTnf</a></p>— Reham Khan (@RehamKhan1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RehamKhan1/status/1574073078551875584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Champ_Pal]

FYI, This happened in London. What's wrong there?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A female Pakistani minister <a href="https://twitter.com/Marriyum_A?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Marriyum_A</a> is being harassed on the streets of London for not wearing a head scarf while women are protesting in Iran about head scarf police. <a href="https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@metpoliceuk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCLondonNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCLondonNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MayorofLondon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WomenforWomen?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WomenforWomen</a> <a href="https://t.co/meDAMPzTnf">https://t.co/meDAMPzTnf</a></p>— Reham Khan (@RehamKhan1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RehamKhan1/status/1574073078551875584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hijab shaming a poor lady minding her own business.

I thought head covering is a choice.