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Why do we generally see Punjab producing great fast bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Fazal Mahmood, Khan Muhammad, Shoaib Akhtar, Asif, Aamir etc where Karachi has always been known for great batsmen like Javed Miandad, Hanif Mohammed, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Younis Khan, Faisal Iqbal ( :D ) etc

It's almost like Pakistan producing far better bowlers and India producing great batsmen.
 
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Times have recently changed Punjab is producing batters and Karachi is producing bowlers or a mix of the 2
 
Because people eat a lot of meat in Punjab as compared to Karachi. :P
 
Fast Bowlers have intimidating body language. Look at the physique of Karachi Cricketers, Sarfaraz and Shafiqe... They don't come across as intimidating batsmen, what chance will they have of becoming fearsome fast bowlers?

Fast bowling requires brute strength and endurance, only aspect of Cricket that requires Raw Power. People from KPK and Punjab or even for that matter Balochistan are more muscular, tall and well build than karachiites on average.

I have always found karachiites to be more closer to physical characteristics of Indians than people in other provinces of Pakistan..
 
Azhar,Babar,Shoaib,Hafeez,Umar Akmal,Umar Amin,Harris Sohail,Usman Salahuddin,Misbah,

All are from Punjab
 
Another thing is urbanized centers are most likely to produce a good technically sound batsmen due to proper system in place at youth level whereas the rural centers generally produce more hacks with the bat but unleash the special raw fast bowling potential.
 
Because Batsmanship requires intellect, patience and ability to see the big picture
 
Not interesting any comments on genetics etc - pls leave out of this thread.
 
Another thing is urbanized centers are most likely to produce a good technically sound batsmen due to proper system in place at youth level whereas the rural centers generally produce more hacks with the bat but unleash the special raw fast bowling potential.

interesting idea

Post 1990, even our fast bowlers barring Sami and Wahab have been from pinds or KPK
 
Also why is a WHOLE province being compared to a city

Maybe do a Lahore v Karachi comparison.

Wasim is Lahore and Imran is partly Lahore
 
Population of Punjab= 100 million
Population of Sindh = 50 million

Big cities in Punjab= Rawal Pindi, Sialkot, Lahore, Multan, Bahawalpur, Faisalabad, Gujaranwala etc
Big cities in Sindh= Karachi, Hyderabad

Biggest factor being NCA, where is NCA located? Lahore

People move around, the above mentioned cities is where all other people will move to.
 
I fail to see the logic in comparing a Province with a city :danish

However, I did a Lahore vs Karachi; Hypothetical match Thread a few days back and I'll just simply quote the entire OP post of mine........

Who would win (hypothetically) in a Karachi vs Lahore cricket match?
A few days ago, I was going through random scorecards from some recently concluded Pakistani first class tournaments. My initial purpose was to find some data points that I wanted to compare with existing players in the team and how they would fare if given the same opportunity however, what caught my eye was the sorry state of product that our regions are producing currently and the unequal distribution of a core bunch of individuals among teams that have no relevance to the fan base of that specific region.

To help muster things into perspective I though why not develop a fantasy draft for a playing XI from two of the biggest regions in Pakistan i.e. Karachi and Lahore and see to the fact of, which team (based solely on players from their region) would be better equipped to overhaul the other in a proper 4 day FC match or a series of matches.

Karachi

Asif Zakir
Jahid Ali / Ahsan Ali
Saud Shakeel
Saad Ali
Akbar-ur-Rehman (c) (Right Arm Medium Fast)
Ramiz Raja Jnr
Mohammad Waqas / Mohammad Hasan / Saifullah / (wk)
Azam Hussain (Slow Left Arm Orthodox)
Hasan Mohsin (Right Arm Medium Swing Bowler)
Ruman Raees (Left Arm Fast Medium)
Mir Hamza (Left Arm Fast)

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Lahore

Umar Sidiq
Imam Ul Haq
Usman Salahuddin (c)
Imran Butt / Hamza Paracha
Hussain Talat
Agha Salman (Off Spinner)
Farhan Khan / Junaid Ali (wk)
Saad Nasim (Leg Break Bowler)
Malik Aftab (Right Arm Fast Medium)
Zafar Gohar (Slow Left Arm Orthadox)
Ahmed Bashir / Asif Raza (Right Arm Medium Fast)


The Filters for Selection (very very important - Please refer to this !!)

1) Players representing for the Region XI cannot be test capped, I understand that Usman Salahuddin would most probably debut in the 3rd test against the West Indies but at the moment of this thread he is still uncapped so I have included him in the Lahore team.

2) Players representing this region XI should be born in either Karachi / Lahore. This is the probably the most strictest filter I've used here. I have even ignored players from Hyderabad or Interior Sindh for Karachi and places like Faisalabad / Vehari etc etc for Lahore. Players should be born in Karachi / Lahore

3) Player should have represented or is representing the region at some point in time of his career.

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So what do you guys think, which team amongst the two would be able to overhaul the other one in a proper FC game of a series of games (something like a tournament between the two) ?? Also if you have any existing player from the region that I have missed who fits the filter provided, please update the thread.

Furthermore an interesting aspect for such a conceptual match would be that in most cases the fans from either side would have much more relevance to associate themselves with the brand and players being offered rather than rooting for WAPDA or SGNPL or any other Patron for that matter. If we work on such a model and saturate a region with the best talents we could seriously create a massive fan following and some form of relevance in our domestic structures.

What do you guys think ??

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tically)-in-a-Karachi-vs-Lahore-cricket-match

A much better comparison on what the two cities have been locally producing
P.S. Talking about Lahore vs Karachi
 
Lahore has produced Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal and Imran Farhat. I think the discussion ends right there. :kakmal
 
Lahore has produced Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal and Imran Farhat. I think the discussion ends right there. :kakmal

Three of the prominent member from the Model Town Gang of 5 [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] :)) :))
 
Why do we generally see Punjab producing great fast bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Fazal Mahmood, Khan Muhammad, Shoaib Akhtar, Asif, Aamir etc where Karachi has always been known for great batsmen like Javed Miandad, Hanif Mohammed, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Younis Khan, Faisal Iqbal ( :D ) etc

It's almost like Pakistan producing far better bowlers and India producing great batsmen.
It may be true in past but not true anymore. Now Punjab produce great fast bowlers and great batsmen while Karachi produces none.
 
It may be true in past but not true anymore. Now Punjab produce great fast bowlers like Wahab Riaz and Rahat Ali and great batsmen like Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad while Karachi produces none.
fixed
 
Tappi Tappi.

Seriously the last great batsman Karachi produced was Saeed Anwar which was 2 decades ago. So its better to put this myth to rest that Karachi produces better batsmen.
 
Tappi Tappi.

Seriously the last great batsman Karachi produced was Saeed Anwar which was 2 decades ago. So its better to put this myth to rest that Karachi produces better batsmen.

Younis Khan says hi.

Fawad Alam has been beasting it in domestic all these years but its just too bad for him that he isnt from Model town or some pind in Punjab
 
Ok so Lahore has produced a great in every discipline.
A great bowler in Wasim . A great allrounder in Imran , a good one in Razzaq , A pakistani great in Muhammad Yousaf and a great spinner in saqlain .
Heck even the greatest umpire that Pakistan has produced is from Lahore .
So the stereotype doesn't apply to Lahore .:hasan
 
Punjab has produced great batsman for Pakistan. For example, Inzamam, Yousuf, Misbah and Azhar.

It's hard to compare Punjab and Karachi when one is a province (Punjab- home of multiple cities: Lahore, Faisalabad, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Multan, Sialkot, etc.) while the other is a city.

Easier to compare Lahore and Karachi.
 
this is a myth.

Karachi is just a city. Punjab is a whole province which houses more than 50% of the country's population. It's just natural to see cricketers in greater numbers from punjab. In Punjab lahore is the big metropolitan city so quite naturally a lot of cricketers from Punjab would move there in olden days to play pro cricket. Just like how Younis and fakhar moved to Karachi.

That's why you see more fast bowlers from Punjab. Not lahore. Apart from Afzal Mehmood, imran, waseem, sarfaraz and a handful of others ... other well known fast bowlers were not from lahore.
Examples: waqar, aaqib, Zahid, Sohail, asif, Aamir, etc etc.

Also Karachi also provided some long serving fast bowlers for Pakistan as well. Sami, Salim Jaffar, islander bakht..

Similarly, Karachi produced some great batsmen but its ridiculous to suggest Punjab did not. Inzi, yousaf, Ramiz, Sohail, Misbah, malik, ijaz, zaheer abbas, etc.
 
I would request younger PPers to not get baited into Karachi vs lahore/Punjab argument. This is mainly a myth created by some people of my generation to create discord amongst Pakistanis.

If you open your eyes and review the facts, you will see the truth.
 
I swear Imran Khan and Younis Khan are from KPK but just lived in Punjab? But yeah it's mainly about legacy and heroes I'd say, youngsters want to emulate heroes from their own cities such as Wasim and Waqar so there's an obvious trend in a certain province producing certain quality players. Someone like Saeed Anwar is such a strong candidate to inspire young left-handed Pak opening batsmen to play well for their country.
 
I swear Imran Khan and Younis Khan are from KPK but just lived in Punjab? But yeah it's mainly about legacy and heroes I'd say, youngsters want to emulate heroes from their own cities such as Wasim and Waqar so there's an obvious trend in a certain province producing certain quality players. Someone like Saeed Anwar is such a strong candidate to inspire young left-handed Pak opening batsmen to play well for their country.

Imran Khan's father is a Niazi from Mianwali while he is born in Lahore. Also this is not about ethnicity.
 
Imran Khan's father is a Niazi from Mianwali while he is born in Lahore. Also this is not about ethnicity.

Yeah I already know that the thread isn't about ethnicity, just thought that Imran and YK were mainly based around KPK playing cricket and stuff.
 
Yeah I already know that the thread isn't about ethnicity, just thought that Imran and YK were mainly based around KPK playing cricket and stuff.

YK was based out of Karachi, played all his cricket there.
 
I think this is mostly a myth these days. But I'd guess that since Punjab is more rural, it produces better fast bowlers. And that since Karachi is urbanized, they produce better batsmen.

I think it is better to compare just Lahore and Karachi. Not all of Punjab and Karachi.

Also, we should refrain from making stereotypes. Yes sometimes they are accurate but we can't let this mentality divide us. We are one nation, a blend of many different peoples, languages, and cultures.
We should appreciate our differences instead of arguing about them. And we should focus on all the stuff that unites us and is common between us.

It is sad seeing ex cricketers and pundits talking about a Punjab bias or a Karachi bias. I really hope one day we see a Pakistan team picked completely on merit. I think nowadays that is mostly the case.
 
I think this is mostly a myth these days. But I'd guess that since Punjab is more rural, it produces better fast bowlers. And that since Karachi is urbanized, they produce better batsmen.

I think it is better to compare just Lahore and Karachi. Not all of Punjab and Karachi.

Also, we should refrain from making stereotypes. Yes sometimes they are accurate but we can't let this mentality divide us. We are one nation, a blend of many different peoples, languages, and cultures.
We should appreciate our differences instead of arguing about them. And we should focus on all the stuff that unites us and is common between us.

It is sad seeing ex cricketers and pundits talking about a Punjab bias or a Karachi bias. I really hope one day we see a Pakistan team picked completely on merit. I think nowadays that is mostly the case.

Tell that to fawad alam

Or even Sarfaraz who had to wait years behind substandard Adnan and Kamran Akmal to get a chance
 
Why can't Indian punjabis produce fast bowlers but just spinners? I don't think any answer will make sense.
 
Only explanation I can give is probably the wickets of Sindh/Greater Karachi - which are by far the best true batting wickets in PAK (batting wickets doesn't mean high scoring wickets - that Abu Dhabi wicket where Malik got 245 is one of the worst ever batting wickets I have ever seen).

Next reason I can give is the FC match duration in PAK for cricket season. Cricket, particularly batting is learned by staying long hours on wicket & applying batting skills to survive & bat for long - the game is like that. It might be obsolete or boring in modern days, but Evin Lewis isn't the example of batsmanship. In PAK, only in Karachi/Sindh avails the time for batsmen to bat fo long, long hours. If I am not wrong, Javed's 311 was made at NSK in 13 hours, Hanif's 499 at Karachi or Hyderabad in 16 hours, YK's 300+ at Karachi, while Inzi's 329 at Lahore, but in May, when you can play for 90+ overs/day. Those 5 hours/65 overs Overs FC matches won't produce much better players to be honest. Babar & Fakhar has much higher List A average than FC, which should be indicative.

Developing batting is an unique skill - it's not like that one can become good batsman if he plays better bowling in FC level. Rather, it's like how much one bats in the middle is the key. In that regard, batting is an extremely monotonous, but perfectionist job - it's not about being innovative, rather doing the same boring job (that's play a ball on merit) with absolute perfection.

The best example again is Indian batsmen - who plays by far the worst attack in Ranji trophy, where very limited Indian bowling resources are divided in to 40-50 teams & it was almost club level when Gavaskar or Vishi learned their batting. But, as I said several times - you learn batting from the duration of your stay in match condition on absolute true batting wickets, where a batsman can back his technique to survive even for 10-12 hours & keep scoring through shots around 360 on merit of the bowling.

Don't think PAK, as a whole can produce quality batsman playing on those horrible wickets, playing 250 overs FC match. Batting is not an individual incidental skill (that's shot making ability on a single ball - in that regard Umar Akmal is still one of the best), rather it's a collective effort - that's you stay for long hours with perfection on your defense & keep scoring on your shot making ability & good judgement. It's much easier to bang a 25 ball 50, than bat for 2 sessions & end the day on 127* of 256 balls - Karachi gives a little better scope in that regard than the northern cities.
 
I swear Imran Khan and Younis Khan are from KPK but just lived in Punjab? But yeah it's mainly about legacy and heroes I'd say, youngsters want to emulate heroes from their own cities such as Wasim and Waqar so there's an obvious trend in a certain province producing certain quality players. Someone like Saeed Anwar is such a strong candidate to inspire young left-handed Pak opening batsmen to play well for their country.

YK was from KPK but lived in Karachi, so was Afridi. Although YK learned a lot about batting from culture of Karachi, but Afridi had no effect on him ;-)

I don't think its about following heros alone. Our bowlers are lot more popular than batsmen, simply they are/were world class, we had mostly produced tier 2 batsmen at international level. Where as bowlers (fast or spin) were tier 1, generation defining at time, changing the game altogether, Wasim's left arm skills created a genera of bowling that was not that popular in 120 years of test cricket, now we see every team try to have one in all formats at all levels...Reverse swing is another such example. In Spin Qadar's leg spin variety, again define new age of leg spinners, Saqi invented Doosra, I redefine finger spinner in modern time...

Maybe culturally Karachite cricket is about batting, I cannot comment since I have not lived there. But in North(Punjab and KPK), cricket mojo is about fast bowling, that's what tier1 athletes try to do, its a macho thing, its a statement thing too, in villages, mallahas and cities alike. Other thing that was popular is hitting big sixes, that's what tap ball cricket does to you... Northern Cricketing culture was influenced a lot by tap ball, where pace and power are good skills to have. I have seen some variety Bowlers become more successful but they get less praise from top tier pace bowlers.

Batsmen from Karachi in general have more grit, patient and well suited for longer format, well from the time of Hanif... This whole notion of Karachi producing better batsmen and Lahore bowlers, started from the time of Hanif and Fazal, both were great at there art. Hanif's family had influence on Karachi and Pakistan Cricket for next 2/3 decades, his brothers and then son played for Pakistan...People from North are more hot headed, that helps in bowling but not that much in batting...

Now many cricketers have come from different areas. Shoiab and Amir are from Rawalpindi, although its Punjab, its not the same as from Lahore. Shoiab faced lot of discrimination and push back because he was from a new town, plus Wasim and Waqar were threaten by him, his debute was 2/3 years late, he should have been in the team back in 1995, we (in Pindi) knew about him since that time. I remember back in 1993/94, there was lot of chatter about a local bowler, who bowls even faster than Waqar, at first we laughed, then when we saw him bowling (locally), we were amazed by his action and pace, he was actually faster then Waqar(even at his peak)....In Pindi/ISB, KRL was big reason we were able to produce and still produce so many cricketers, Azhar, Shadab, Hasan(apart from Shoiab and Amir) all have played in the ECO system of KRL, and many more who did not become big players.

I guess in early days inorder to horn your skills, you have to go to Karachi or Lahore, there were not many opportunities. That is still the case in many ways, but in past most people did not travel, but now its easy to go to those places. YK, Fakir, Umar Gul, Yasir, Afridi, Junaid Khan etc are all from KPK but developed in Lahore or Karachi circuits.

You also cannot ignore the genetics and physical advantages of different areas. Lower center of gravity is helpful in batting and hot headedness in bowling. North in general are going to produce better bowlers. Same reason I believe Afghanistan will be producing better fast bowlers than BD in few years (if they are not doing it already), they will develop at fast pace than BD if economy and law & order did not tank. KPK can go on par with Punjab in producing fast bowlers, if there are big cities there, right now its only Peshawar and Cricket was not that well know till 80s, after Imran Khan it become popular in KPK, for long period of time Soccer was more popular in KPK, FATA and Baluchistan.
 
YK was from KPK but lived in Karachi, so was Afridi. Although YK learned a lot about batting from culture of Karachi, but Afridi had no effect on him ;-)

I don't think its about following heros alone. Our bowlers are lot more popular than batsmen, simply they are/were world class, we had mostly produced tier 2 batsmen at international level. Where as bowlers (fast or spin) were tier 1, generation defining at time, changing the game altogether, Wasim's left arm skills created a genera of bowling that was not that popular in 120 years of test cricket, now we see every team try to have one in all formats at all levels...Reverse swing is another such example. In Spin Qadar's leg spin variety, again define new age of leg spinners, Saqi invented Doosra, I redefine finger spinner in modern time...

Maybe culturally Karachite cricket is about batting, I cannot comment since I have not lived there. But in North(Punjab and KPK), cricket mojo is about fast bowling, that's what tier1 athletes try to do, its a macho thing, its a statement thing too, in villages, mallahas and cities alike. Other thing that was popular is hitting big sixes, that's what tap ball cricket does to you... Northern Cricketing culture was influenced a lot by tap ball, where pace and power are good skills to have. I have seen some variety Bowlers become more successful but they get less praise from top tier pace bowlers.

Batsmen from Karachi in general have more grit, patient and well suited for longer format, well from the time of Hanif... This whole notion of Karachi producing better batsmen and Lahore bowlers, started from the time of Hanif and Fazal, both were great at there art. Hanif's family had influence on Karachi and Pakistan Cricket for next 2/3 decades, his brothers and then son played for Pakistan...People from North are more hot headed, that helps in bowling but not that much in batting...

Now many cricketers have come from different areas. Shoiab and Amir are from Rawalpindi, although its Punjab, its not the same as from Lahore. Shoiab faced lot of discrimination and push back because he was from a new town, plus Wasim and Waqar were threaten by him, his debute was 2/3 years late, he should have been in the team back in 1995, we (in Pindi) knew about him since that time. I remember back in 1993/94, there was lot of chatter about a local bowler, who bowls even faster than Waqar, at first we laughed, then when we saw him bowling (locally), we were amazed by his action and pace, he was actually faster then Waqar(even at his peak)....In Pindi/ISB, KRL was big reason we were able to produce and still produce so many cricketers, Azhar, Shadab, Hasan(apart from Shoiab and Amir) all have played in the ECO system of KRL, and many more who did not become big players.

I guess in early days inorder to horn your skills, you have to go to Karachi or Lahore, there were not many opportunities. That is still the case in many ways, but in past most people did not travel, but now its easy to go to those places. YK, Fakir, Umar Gul, Yasir, Afridi, Junaid Khan etc are all from KPK but developed in Lahore or Karachi circuits.

You also cannot ignore the genetics and physical advantages of different areas. Lower center of gravity is helpful in batting and hot headedness in bowling. North in general are going to produce better bowlers. Same reason I believe Afghanistan will be producing better fast bowlers than BD in few years (if they are not doing it already), they will develop at fast pace than BD if economy and law & order did not tank. KPK can go on par with Punjab in producing fast bowlers, if there are big cities there, right now its only Peshawar and Cricket was not that well know till 80s, after Imran Khan it become popular in KPK, for long period of time Soccer was more popular in KPK, FATA and Baluchistan.

I don't want to bring in genetics into the topic of discussion but I completely agree with everything you said and this is an excellent and very interesting post. I actually fully thought that KPK was the main central hub where you find the "macho", "hot-headed", "aggressive" and "lethal" players (mainly fast bowlers) but you mainly said that for Punjab which seems a bit weird when I didn't think of Punjab at all regarding those adjectives. KPK is considered to be more rural when compared to other districts and has produced aggressive players from Pashtun tribes.
 
Whilst Miandad and YK were from Karachi - Inzy, Misbah, MoYo etc. we're all from Punjab.

Whilst we have had great fast bowlers from Punjab - our batting origins is more distributed.
 
I dont think the OP's statement about karachi producing more batsmen is right. Apart from zaheer abbas, javed miandad, saeed anwar, younis khan, shahid afridi. Rest of all batsmen were from punjab or KPK and i am talking from the 1980's till now. Our batting is way more distributed than what you made ought to be and that goes for producing "great batsmen" too etc Saleem malik, aamer sohail, inzy, yousuf, shoaib malik, and most recently misbah, azhar ali and hopefully in future babar azam.

This just seems to be one of those cricketing myths our fitna cricketing experts like sikander bakht or basit ali likes to talk about. What you guys don't want to mention in these type of talks is that Punjab is not a city , it is a province and it has many large populated cities so there is no ground in trying to say that karachi should have large numerical representation based on the fact that it is the largest city in Pak. It simply can't compete with the country's largest province where about 54% of Pakistani's live.
 
I dont think the OP's statement about karachi producing more batsmen is right. Apart from zaheer abbas, javed miandad, saeed anwar, younis khan, shahid afridi. Rest of all batsmen were from punjab or KPK and i am talking from the 1980's till now. Our batting is way more distributed than what you made ought to be and that goes for producing "great batsmen" too etc Saleem malik, aamer sohail, inzy, yousuf, shoaib malik, and most recently misbah, azhar ali and hopefully in future babar azam.

This just seems to be one of those cricketing myths our fitna cricketing experts like sikander bakht or basit ali likes to talk about. What you guys don't want to mention in these type of talks is that Punjab is not a city , it is a province and it has many large populated cities so there is no ground in trying to say that karachi should have large numerical representation based on the fact that it is the largest city in Pak. It simply can't compete with the country's largest province where about 54% of Pakistani's live.

Bhai meray zaheer is from Sialkot.

What about Muhammad fanily. Asif mujtaba. Basit Ali. Rashid latif. Moin khan.
 
Karachi has underperformed in the last 20 years.... handful of good cricketers emerged in this period. If you take away Younis khan as he is more of an immigrant to Karachi than a true karachite, kaneria would be the last good/great cricketer to emerge from karachi and that too as a bowler. Pitty he killed his own career along with a lot help from Kamran Akmal behind the stumps.
 
Bhai meray zaheer is from Sialkot.

What about Muhammad fanily. Asif mujtaba. Basit Ali. Rashid latif. Moin khan.

Basit ali had a very short career, he looked top draw for the short period he was there.

Rashid is not a great cricketer, don't think he was even a good cricketer to be honest.

Moin was decent and consistently remained at that level.

Mujtaba was the archetypal jack of all trades, can bat decent, bowl ok and field well.
 
Rashid was not a good cricketer? Are you serious? He was probably the best gloveman the country has EVER produced along with Salim yousuf!
 
Basit ali had a very short career, he looked top draw for the short period he was there.

Rashid is not a great cricketer, don't think he was even a good cricketer to be honest.

Moin was decent and consistently remained at that level.

Mujtaba was the archetypal jack of all trades, can bat decent, bowl ok and field well.

As a batsman, Moin was better but in keeping Rashid was miles ahead of Moin.
 
Rashid was not a good cricketer? Are you serious? He was probably the best gloveman the country has EVER produced along with Salim yousuf!

Bari still trumps all but Rashid is a close second. Rashid was brilliant as a glove man.
 
Bari still trumps all but Rashid is a close second. Rashid was brilliant as a glove man.

Never saw Bari but Bari himself said that Rashid is the best Pakistani keeper ever (he said it in Akmal days but I doubt he think Sarfaraz is better)
 
Bhai meray zaheer is from Sialkot.

What about Muhammad fanily. Asif mujtaba. Basit Ali. Rashid latif. Moin khan.

Zaheer was born in Sialkot but he learned and played cricket in Karachi. His domestic teams even were Sindh and Karachi.

Younis Khan started playing in Karachi as well but couldn't break into the team so moved to mardan
 
Why do we generally see Punjab producing great fast bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Fazal Mahmood, Khan Muhammad, Shoaib Akhtar, Asif, Aamir etc where Karachi has always been known for great batsmen like Javed Miandad, Hanif Mohammed, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Younis Khan, Faisal Iqbal ( :D ) etc

It's almost like Pakistan producing far better bowlers and India producing great batsmen.

Punjabi's are naturally very rough and strong people where as Karachi people are very cunning and intelligent in their way of batting.
 
Why do we generally see Punjab producing great fast bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Fazal Mahmood, Khan Muhammad, Shoaib Akhtar, Asif, Aamir etc where Karachi has always been known for great batsmen like Javed Miandad, Hanif Mohammed, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Younis Khan, Faisal Iqbal ( :D ) etc

It's almost like Pakistan producing far better bowlers and India producing great batsmen.

Come on bhai , hows faisal iqbal a great ?
 
Bhai meray zaheer is from Sialkot.

What about Muhammad fanily. Asif mujtaba. Basit Ali. Rashid latif. Moin khan.

I am not sure but i think he played his early first class career in karachi. The punjab region has once again produced more batsman than karachi even after considering the above mentioned names. This is not to lament the quality of karachi bats but simply because karachi cannot compete with largest province and one more fact that since the last decade majority batsmen have been from punjab.

I remember during faysal bank t20 teams like lahore, sialkot & pindi would be full of guys who had represented pakistan at international level.
 
I am not sure but i think he played his early first class career in karachi. The punjab region has once again produced more batsman than karachi even after considering the above mentioned names. This is not to lament the quality of karachi bats but simply because karachi cannot compete with largest province and one more fact that since the last decade majority batsmen have been from punjab.

I remember during faysal bank t20 teams like lahore, sialkot & pindi would be full of guys who had represented pakistan at international level.

The more prevalent overall trend that I am seeing is that cricketers are now coming more from areas other than lahore or Karachi which is a good sign. Seems like cricketers in those two cities are not as dominant as they used to be which is a natural progression.

Another feature of our cricket has been, if I am allowed to say it without stepping on any toes here is that either Sindhis and balochis don't show any interest in the game or are not good enough to be picked. Most of the cricketers at competitive levels are pakhtoon, punjabis and Urdu speakers.

Waiting to see a big batting star from KPK if we consider YK as a karachiite. They have produced Gul, Yasir, IK Jr, so about time we get a batsman from there.
 
Waiting to see a big batting star from KPK if we consider YK as a karachiite. They have produced Gul, Yasir, IK Jr, so about time we get a batsman from there.

Fakhar Zaman..
 
Like YK, isn't he more a Karachi product?

By the way I forgot Yasir Hameed, I think he was wonderful talent that was such a waste.

Loose cannon - almost as dumb as Nazir & Jr. Akmal. Could play shots like Mark Waugh or VVS, but never left fascination for fishing. Had he played 15 years later, could have been a fantastic ODI player on these 300+ matches, but he was dropped for good when still, you need to survive first 10-12 overs first.
 
Not sure about who is born where & groomed where, therefore can't tell who is genetically Karachiet or who is non Punjabi gin, but groomed at Lahore - but, in recent times (after 2000), I think technically best few batsmen are from Punjab - Babar, Haris, Azhar & I would say Amin (can't score, that's different issue - Messi also can't win, but he is the 2nd best footballer in La Liga ....). In recent past, Taufique Umar, from Lahore was a fantastic prospect, should have a realistic shot at 10K Test runs, but missed out.

Historically, Lahore team is far better Test team for Imran, Wasim, Waquar (?), Qadir, Razzak, Intekhab & Fazal Mahmood, Sarfraz, Asif, Amir; but in recent days, probably it's balanced. One good thing is lot many players are coming from other areas as well. Can't tell about racial discrimination, but people in charge of Karachi cricket should dive in Arab sea in shame - 2nd largest populated metro in South Asia & 3rd largest metro economy, but still I am not sure who'll take the new ball for all-time Karachi team - Mo Sami & Anwar Ali may be:hafeez2. Even in batting, Mohammad brothers are from Junaghar, Zaheer from Shialkot, YK from KPK, Asif Iqbal from Hyderabad Deccan - and most of them have migrated after becoming cricketers, not like they have learned cricket in Karachi; even Javed is actually Gujrati.

Karachi's brightest son is off course Rashid Latif, more than cricket, for his constant rant on Karachi quota. Being Bangladeshi, I don't have much love for Punjabis for sure, but truth is that they have produced by far, far better cricketers, either side of Radcliffe line.
 
Not sure about who is born where & groomed where, therefore can't tell who is genetically Karachiet or who is non Punjabi gin, but groomed at Lahore - but, in recent times (after 2000), I think technically best few batsmen are from Punjab - Babar, Haris, Azhar & I would say Amin (can't score, that's different issue - Messi also can't win, but he is the 2nd best footballer in La Liga ....). In recent past, Taufique Umar, from Lahore was a fantastic prospect, should have a realistic shot at 10K Test runs, but missed out.

Historically, Lahore team is far better Test team for Imran, Wasim, Waquar (?), Qadir, Razzak, Intekhab & Fazal Mahmood, Sarfraz, Asif, Amir; but in recent days, probably it's balanced. One good thing is lot many players are coming from other areas as well. Can't tell about racial discrimination, but people in charge of Karachi cricket should dive in Arab sea in shame - 2nd largest populated metro in South Asia & 3rd largest metro economy, but still I am not sure who'll take the new ball for all-time Karachi team - Mo Sami & Anwar Ali may be:hafeez2. Even in batting, Mohammad brothers are from Junaghar, Zaheer from Shialkot, YK from KPK, Asif Iqbal from Hyderabad Deccan - and most of them have migrated after becoming cricketers, not like they have learned cricket in Karachi; even Javed is actually Gujrati.

Karachi's brightest son is off course Rashid Latif, more than cricket, for his constant rant on Karachi quota. Being Bangladeshi, I don't have much love for Punjabis for sure, but truth is that they have produced by far, far better cricketers, either side of Radcliffe line.

Showing your expert opinion again. Javed Maindad not being considered a Karachiite :)))


"Karachi's brightest son is off course Rashid Latif" :))) :))) :)))
 
Showing your expert opinion again. Javed Maindad not being considered a Karachiite :)))


"Karachi's brightest son is off course Rashid Latif" :))) :))) :)))

Obviously you have missed few words like "even" & "off course" - that can happen when someone jumps into trolling, because apparently I don't see any weakness in your English; so comprehension isn't the problem here.
 
Younis Khan says hi.

Fawad Alam has been beasting it in domestic all these years but its just too bad for him that he isnt from Model town or some pind in Punjab

Younis is originally from Mardan,similar story to our Fakhar Zaman
 
R u serious,Yasir Hameed

He was from KPK and was a serious talent when he arrived. He was technically very sound but early on had a big weakness of fishing outside off. But believe me when I say he was serious talent and most experts were raving about him when he debuted.
 
I am old school. A keeper should be judged based purely on his wicket keeping abilities and not batting. Bari and Latif are two legends Of not just Pakistan but international cricket. Technically very correct and acrobatic keepers
 
Recently I think Lahore and Karachi are not producing the best players. The talent is mostly coming from rural areas of Punjab and KPK .
 
Like YK, isn't he more a Karachi product?

By the way I forgot Yasir Hameed, I think he was wonderful talent that was such a waste.

he was in khi only for 3-4 years unlike YK he grew up here and lives here

though Fakhar did make his FC and t20 debuts for karachi teams
 
He was from KPK and was a serious talent when he arrived. He was technically very sound but early on had a big weakness of fishing outside off. But believe me when I say he was serious talent and most experts were raving about him when he debuted.

I was his huge fan when he came in 2003 and i supported him vicariously till 2007 by which he had been given lots of chances in both test and odi & he had failed miserably in almost all of them
 
Showing your expert opinion again. Javed Maindad not being considered a Karachiite :)))


"Karachi's brightest son is off course Rashid Latif" :))) :))) :)))

Best Pakistani batsman of all time, born an bred in Karachi is not a karachite.... because he is of Gujarati descent. But a wicket keeper, born and bred in Karachi of Bengali descent is not only a karachite but is the "brightest son"..... delusional Bengali posters are always amusing.

This ranks on par with his expert opinion that Pakistan will be playing against the likes of Nepal and Bangladesh will be the premiere force..... only for Pakistan to go and win the ICC trophy a year later beating (schooling) all the top teams along the way.
 
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