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The Premier League’s modern football culture has been built on capitalism.

Any complaints about the Saudi Pro League seem hypocritical to me.

And let's not go on about human rights - we know the state of those in other countries.
 
They feel threatened. They know the writing is on the wall for European football that has dominated the sport for over a century.

Look at what Saudi is doing in other sports like golf. They are taken over.

The Gulf countries, with all their wealth and passion for football, will not side on the sidelines forever.

Saudi league will be a major player in a decade or so, Saudi will eventually host a World Cup and UEFA dominance will come to an end soon.

The UCL will not stay in this shape and form forever. It will probably expand and include gulf clubs.

In short, the football landscape is changing and this change was inevitable.
 
They feel threatened. They know the writing is on the wall for European football that has dominated the sport for over a century.

Look at what Saudi is doing in other sports like golf. They are taken over.

The Gulf countries, with all their wealth and passion for football, will not side on the sidelines forever.

Saudi league will be a major player in a decade or so, Saudi will eventually host a World Cup and UEFA dominance will come to an end soon.

The UCL will not stay in this shape and form forever. It will probably expand and include gulf clubs.

In short, the football landscape is changing and this change was inevitable.

A change to the UCL perhaps along the lines of a heavily expanded club world club is inevitable.

There isn't really much scope for ambition in thr middle east alone. The Saudi owners will want the big time and that involves playing european teams.

In the 80s and 90s, when I was growing up the Scottish league was of a reasonable quality compared to the English leagues.

After the advent of the PL and the influx of tv money there is just no comparison. The Scottish league cannot compete and most kids now tune into EPL games, to the detriment of club football here.

So I have no sympathy for English pundits. TV money or Oil money ( which also flows through English football) is the same in my eyes.
 
This change was much needed. The traditional power structures in European football particularly in England are threatened and I am glad the Saudi's are bringing some balance to the game. Football will also help Saudi society to open up and modernize what they are anyways trying to do. In next 10 years you will see couple of African countries also starting to pull their weight and less poaching of African talent by France and England which is rampant now.
 
Hopefully same can happen with cricket and BCCI's influence gets destroyed aswell IA
 
Hopefully same can happen with cricket and BCCI's influence gets destroyed aswell IA

It's actually more imperative in cricket, there are less big teams to give it importance, and since the rise of the BCCI, the international game has basically become a three nation sport, which will eventually kill interest in the game across the world.
 
Hopefully same can happen with cricket and BCCI's influence gets destroyed aswell IA

BCCI and Indian audience is cricket.

Even if Arabs start cricket leagues they will be designed to cater to an Indian audience.

There is no sport as heavily dependent on one country as cricket is.
 
A change to the UCL perhaps along the lines of a heavily expanded club world club is inevitable.

There isn't really much scope for ambition in thr middle east alone. The Saudi owners will want the big time and that involves playing european teams.

In the 80s and 90s, when I was growing up the Scottish league was of a reasonable quality compared to the English leagues.

After the advent of the PL and the influx of tv money there is just no comparison. The Scottish league cannot compete and most kids now tune into EPL games, to the detriment of club football here.

So I have no sympathy for English pundits. TV money or Oil money ( which also flows through English football) is the same in my eyes.


That's absolutely fair. Scottish football was definitely affected badly by the big money which flooded into English football. It's a shame really, it's great to see the big world stars in the Premier League, but it's killed the game locally, and looks like the same will happen in Europe with many of the best players in Spain, France and Italy heading to England now.
 
Manchester City attacking midfielder Bernardo Silva is a target for Saudi Pro-League side Al Hilal.

Silva's contract with City runs to 2025 and, while the club are keen for him to sign an extension, he has a number of offers on the table.

Paris St-Germain are also interested in the 28-year-old, as are Barcelona, who have been linked with the Portuguese for the past two summers.

Barcelona have already agreed to sign his club captain Ilkay Gundogan.

However, both clubs could be eclipsed by the salaries on offer in Saudi Arabia.

Riyadh-based Al Hilal, who are in the process of signing Ruben Neves from Wolves, are pushing hard to persuade Silva to join.

The Portuguese international has been involved in all five Premier League title successes at City under Pep Guardiola after joining the club in 2017.

He helped the club win the Treble of Champions League, Premier League and FA Cup last season.

A number of high-profile players have already moved to Saudi Arabian clubs.

Portugal forward Cristiano Ronaldo joined Al Nassr in January.

France midfielder N'Gola Kante has also agreed to join the country's league champions Al-Ittihad after the end of his contract at Chelsea, while compatriot Karim Benzema has also signed for the same side.
 
It's actually more imperative in cricket, there are less big teams to give it importance, and since the rise of the BCCI, the international game has basically become a three nation sport, which will eventually kill interest in the game across the world.

Cricket is going to be like baseball, Usa Korea japan Canada .. its not exciting enough for entire world.

Soccer and Basketball are the easiest exports due to less infrastructure needs and simple rules.
 
BCCI and Indian audience is cricket.

Even if Arabs start cricket leagues they will be designed to cater to an Indian audience.

There is no sport as heavily dependent on one country as cricket is.

Baseball and basketball - USA, I would even say Ice hockey while played across northern Europe is still dependent upon NHL.
 
Cricket is doomed. As long as powers use it as their own fiefdom, cricket will remain limited to select geography.
 
Chelsea goalkeeper Edouard Mendy is close to signing for Saudi Pro-League side Al Ahli.

Talks are ongoing but Mendy is expected to join the big-name players moving to the country.

The Senegal international, 31, joined Chelsea in 2020 from Rennes, providing competition for Kepa Arrizabalaga.

He became first choice, winning the 2020-21 Champions League, and was named Uefa's goalkeeper of the season and Best Fifa men's keeper for 2021.

A move to Al Ahli would see Mendy join the growing ranks of elite players persuaded to join a Saudi Arabian club.

Chelsea team-mate N'Golo Kante recently agreed to sign for league champions Al-Ittihad and will be joined there by Ballon d'Or winner Karim Benzema.

Meanwhile, Blues centre-back Kalidou Koulibaly and winger Hakim Ziyech are also reportedly the subject of interest from teams in the league.
 
I'm loving it and duds like G.Neville want transfer embargo for SaudiPro, MBS is on mission to make Saud the leader on modern lines, now waiting for some TV channel to get broadcast rights in subcontinent,
 
I'm loving it and duds like G.Neville want transfer embargo for SaudiPro, MBS is on mission to make Saud the leader on modern lines, now waiting for some TV channel to get broadcast rights in subcontinent,

Its a strange view Gary, Jamie and others hold. Their only argument is sports washing. This is absurd as on the other hand they want Saudi to open up but when they do they dont like it. Also the main foolishness of such a statement is the history and current foriegn policy of the UK. How these clowns can talk of others human rights when their nation is one of the main suppliers of bombs , weapons and the nation which installed these Royals and continued to support them in military security.

Some claim it will be same as Chinese league. But Arabs love football, its their main sport. Arabs are also not worried about money. Their main aim is to gain more fans of their league and having great players, it will improve their own players and the youngsters for the future.

You wont hear Gary talk of Israel playing European leagues.
 
Because they're reducing the quality of major competition and using dodgy deals to bypass regulations.

Chelsea are selling deadwood for crazy money and Kante arguably undervalue
 
Because they're reducing the quality of major competition and using dodgy deals to bypass regulations.

Chelsea are selling deadwood for crazy money and Kante arguably undervalue

I dont think they are breaking any regulations of FIFA. But as the main clubs are owned by the public fund of Saudi, they could loan a few to Newcastle, so this would be a concern but only if it happens.

Hakim Ziyech & Kalidou Koulibaly went for little as their contracts were nearing the end.

Its a good market for the Premier League, not sure why they are unhappy. Vast majority of the very best will still want to play in the big European leagues esp the Prem.
 
Because they're reducing the quality of major competition and using dodgy deals to bypass regulations.

Chelsea are selling deadwood for crazy money and Kante arguably undervalue

How do you think Chelsea became a big club in the first place? Or Manchester City for that matter?
 
Wolves have sold captain Ruben Neves to Saudi Arabian side Al-Hilal for a club record £47m.

The 26-year-old Portugal midfielder had a year left on his contract and leaves after six seasons at Molineux.

Neves is the latest big-name player to leave a European club for Saudi Arabia's Pro League.

Earlier this month Karim Benzema left Real Madrid for Al-Ittihad, joining former team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo who signed for Al-Nassr in January.

Midfielder N'Golo Kante agreed a deal to leave Chelsea and join France team-mate Benzema at Al-Ittihad earlier this week.

Chelsea goalkeeper Edouard Mendy is also close to signing for Saudi Pro-League side Al Ahli while Manchester City's Portuguese midfielder Bernardo Silva is a target for Al-Hilal.
 
It's actually more imperative in cricket, there are less big teams to give it importance, and since the rise of the BCCI, the international game has basically become a three nation sport, which will eventually kill interest in the game across the world.

what about league cricket, i think if saudis can start a league maybe they can help in destroying Indian discrimination league.

but [MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION] is also right, that they will need to cater the Indians due to big market
 
I reckon if Saudia really wanted, they could form a really competitive cricket team made of immigrants of course
 
I reckon if Saudia really wanted, they could form a really competitive cricket team made of immigrants of course

Football is a game that the local populations love - not that much love for cricket
 
BCCI and Indian audience is cricket.

Even if Arabs start cricket leagues they will be designed to cater to an Indian audience.

There is no sport as heavily dependent on one country as cricket is.

Saudis already tried to poke into IPL but they were met with a very strong denial by BCCI.

It’s an interesting situation - the Indian viewer is crazy in watching cricket primarily when foreign teams and/or players are involved.

For example, Take foreign players out of IPL and it will probably not be 30% profitable as to what it is now.

And many Indians who show anti-Pakistan sentiments are the first ones purchasing the tickets and subscribing to online streams, when there is an India Pak game.

There is definitely a HUGE business opportunity behind this rivalry - and Saudis may tap into it if they manage to get into international cricket.
 
Not in a 100 years will SA match the level and intensity of the football in EU.

People thinking otherwise have no clue.
 
And Saudis onto the next sport...


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The chairman of the ATP has publicly acknowledged for the first time that the governing body of the men’s tour has held talks with Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund
 
Kalidou Koulibaly has become the latest Chelsea player to move to Saudi Arabia after the defender completed a transfer to Al-Hilal for an undisclosed fee.

The centre-back, 32, joins Ruben Neves at the Saudi Pro League side following the Wolves midfielder's £47m switch.

Chelsea midfielder N'Golo Kante has also agreed to sign for Saudi champions Al-Ittihad, while team-mate Edouard Mendy is close to joining Al-Ahli.

Koulibaly signed for Chelsea from Napoli last July on a four-year deal.

He arrived at Stamford Bridge with European and international experience, after helping Napoli win the Italian Cup in 2020 and Senegal claim the Africa Cup of Nations in 2022.

But he played just 32 games for the club in all competitions, scoring two goals in 23 Premier League appearances.

Chelsea did not disclose how much Al-Hilal have paid for Koulibaly - but reports suggest it could be as much as £20m.

Koulibaly's arrival in Saudi Arabia follows a recent trend from European clubs that started with Cristiano Ronaldo's switch from Manchester United to Al-Nassr in January.

Why is the Saudi Pro League signing Premier League stars?

Karim Benzema followed from Real Madrid to Al-Ittihad at the end of the season, while Arsenal's Thomas Partey and Manchester City's Bernardo Silva have been heavily linked with a move in recent weeks.

The trend underlines the league's ambition to be one of the top five in the world and follows a decision in June by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF), which owns Newcastle United, to take over four leading clubs in the country.

There is uncertainty over whether PIF holds a stake in Chelsea's ultimate owners, the private equity firm Clearlake Capital, although club sources have rejected suggestions of any direct involvement.

Despite this, the club could well see four of its players join the Saudi Pro League by the end of the summer, with Morocco winger Hakim Ziyech also linked with a move.

These departures are part of a wider process going on behind the scenes at Stamford Bridge as new manager Mauricio Pochettino reshapes his squad.

Germany forward Kai Havertz is due to join Arsenal in a £65m deal and Manchester City have had a £30m bid accepted for Croatia midfielder Mateo Kovacic.

The Chelsea rebuild has also seen the arrival of France forward Christopher Nkunku from RB Leipzig, while Villarreal's Senegal striker Nicolas Jackson is reportedly due to undergo a medical in London this weekend ahead of a move.

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They are throwing money right, left and centre at anyone who is interested.

What's the point.
 
They feel threatened. They know the writing is on the wall for European football that has dominated the sport for over a century.

Look at what Saudi is doing in other sports like golf. They are taken over.

The Gulf countries, with all their wealth and passion for football, will not side on the sidelines forever.

Saudi league will be a major player in a decade or so, Saudi will eventually host a World Cup and UEFA dominance will come to an end soon.

The UCL will not stay in this shape and form forever. It will probably expand and include gulf clubs.

In short, the football landscape is changing and this change was inevitable.

You clearly have no idea about Football.
 
Not in a 100 years will SA match the level and intensity of the football in EU.

People thinking otherwise have no clue.

Money talks nothing will stop players and future hot prospects from South America and Africa going to Saudi for big $$$$.
In time the Saudi pro league will have competitive teams .
 
Money talks nothing will stop players and future hot prospects from South America and Africa going to Saudi for big $$$$.
In time the Saudi pro league will have competitive teams .

It wont.
You will see in a few years already.
 
The Saudi league will never be able to compete with the European ones. China and MLS have been trying for decades to catchup to Europe and they were unsuccessful.

And most people dont care that players are getting the bag from Saudis as they near retirement.
 
You clearly have no idea about Football.

I have a very clear idea about football which I why I’m saying what I’m saying, while you can’t think outside your European bubble.

The Gulf countries will not sit on the sidelines and watch European clubs dominate football forever. They have absolutely everything to take over club football.

Passion for the game, infrastructure (stadiums), a lot more wealth than any European country with a proper league, standard of living etc.

Of course, it will not happen overnight, but it will happen. There is no doubt that within 15-20 years, Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc. will be compete with the top European leagues.

20 years ago, people like you would have laughed at the idea of Qatar hosting a World Cup and here we are.

It is all about money. Initially, UEFA will try to fight a war it cannot win before selling itself for a few billion dollars. Basically, what happened to golf will happen to football as well.

Europe has dominated league football for a century. It will not last forever. It cannot last forever.
 
The Saudi league will never be able to compete with the European ones. China and MLS have been trying for decades to catchup to Europe and they were unsuccessful.

And most people dont care that players are getting the bag from Saudis as they near retirement.

You are missing the key difference. There is no genuine passion for football in China and USA.

Saudi, and other GCC countries, are crazy about football. They have the money, the infrastructure, the standard of living and everything they need to attract top talent.

The only thing they need is time. Right now, most players (not all) are joining Saudi league when they are close to retiring but that will change in a few years.

The next step for them would be to establish world class academies and recruit youth players from the top European clubs by offering them 10x more money than their European clubs would.

Saudi league will be one of the top leagues in the world in a decade or so.
 
I have a very clear idea about football which I why I’m saying what I’m saying, while you can’t think outside your European bubble.

The Gulf countries will not sit on the sidelines and watch European clubs dominate football forever. They have absolutely everything to take over club football.

Passion for the game, infrastructure (stadiums), a lot more wealth than any European country with a proper league, standard of living etc.

Of course, it will not happen overnight, but it will happen. There is no doubt that within 15-20 years, Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc. will be compete with the top European leagues.

20 years ago, people like you would have laughed at the idea of Qatar hosting a World Cup and here we are.

It is all about money. Initially, UEFA will try to fight a war it cannot win before selling itself for a few billion dollars. Basically, what happened to golf will happen to football as well.

Europe has dominated league football for a century. It will not last forever. It cannot last forever.

You really dont. Top players will never want to go play in the Gulf, at least not in their prime. And without the top players no one is going to watch the gulf leagues.

You talk about 15-20 years they will be able to compete. How? By signing past their prime players like what China and MLS did? It did not work there and wont work in the Gulf.


And its not like Europe doesn't have money. They also have 10 times the population of the gulf, and they can also create the Super League, if they ever had a real threat from a non European league. With there rich history of football no one is catching them this century. Not to mention the lifestyle they can offer there players.
 
You are missing the key difference. There is no genuine passion for football in China and USA.

Saudi, and other GCC countries, are crazy about football. They have the money, the infrastructure, the standard of living and everything they need to attract top talent.

The only thing they need is time. Right now, most players (not all) are joining Saudi league when they are close to retiring but that will change in a few years.

The next step for them would be to establish world class academies and recruit youth players from the top European clubs by offering them 10x more money than their European clubs would.

Saudi league will be one of the top leagues in the world in a decade or so.

USA has 350 million people. If just 10% of them have the passion for football thats still roughly the population of Saudi. And in China football is one of the most popular sports, they just are not that good. They have more fans of the Premier League in China than anywhere else.
 
Earlier this year, Al-Ahli beat Al-Hazem 1-0 in the Saudi Arabian second tier. The game went unnoticed by the rest of the world. It's a different story now.

On Friday, these two promoted teams kick off the new Saudi Pro League season in front of an international audience after a summer dominated by big-name signings and huge bids for Lionel Messi and Kylian Mbappe.

They may have been unsuccessful in landing that superstar duo but much has changed - including the number of teams from 16 to 18 - in a league that is now attracting worldwide attention, and which will be shown in the UK by streaming platform DAZN.

The league has shaken up the global game this summer with its mass recruitment drive. For those that are new to it all, here are the big talking points for the season ahead.

The title race

Al-Ahli are one of the 'Big Four', along with Al-Ittihad, Al-Hilal and Al-Nassr, who were all taken over in June by the same Public Investment Fund (PIF) that owns Newcastle United.

Big signings followed with Roberto Firmino, Riyad Mahrez, Edouard Mendy and Allen Saint-Maximin joining the three-time champions from the Premier League's top teams.

Al-Ahli, the only big four team without Asian Champions League commitments this season,have plenty of talent, but it will be far from easy to take the title from their Jeddah rivals Al-Ittihad.

The Tigers were the best supported club last season with an average of more than 40,000. Under manager Nuno Espirito Santo, they conceded just 13 goals in 30 games while scoring 60. Nuno is still manager and now has Karim Benzema, N'Golo Kante, Jota and Fabinho to call upon.

The biggest problem for the former Tottenham Hotspur and Wolverhampton Wanderers boss may be keeping them all happy. Already there are rumours that last season's top scorer Abderrazak Hamdallah is unhappy at playing second fiddle to Benzema.

Runners-up Al-Nassr started the influx of talent with the signing of Cristiano Ronaldo but have since attracted more top talent to Riyadh. Sadio Mane joined from Bayern Munich, Marcelo Brozovic, last seen captaining Inter Milan in the Champions League final, is another major signing along with Seko Fofana from Lens and Manchester United's Alex Telles.

Al-Hilal finished third partly because they were competing on so many fronts: reaching the finals of the Asian Champions League and the Club World Cup and winning the King's Cup. The most successful team in Saudi Arabia with 18 domestic titles have appointed Jorge Jesus for a second spell in charge and have added Kalidou Kalibaly from Chelsea, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio and former Wolves captain Ruben Neves, with the Portuguese midfielder already showing his creative talents in pre-season.

This is added to a team already full of Saudi internationals who helped beat Argentina in the group stage at last year's World Cup, such as Salem Al-Dawsari, Mohamed Kanno and Yasser Al-Shahrani. Hilal have a knack of bouncing back and finding ways to win.

Al-Shabab are six-time champions but have not been taken over by PIF. Now 'The Youth' have a point to prove, albeit without the kind of financial backing that their rivals have.

There will also be much interest in Ettifaq with Steven Gerrard trying to resurrect his coaching career in the eastern city of Dammam after being sacked by Aston Villa last year. Signing Liverpool captain Jordan Henderson was a major statement. Ettifaq were a little lucky to finish in seventh last season, and struggled to score. Moussa Dembele should help with that. A top-six finish and a King's Cup run would be success.

Local goalkeepers and strikers

Every club bar one started last season with a foreigner in goal. This season will be similar, raising questions about the prospects for homegrown goalkeepers.

Al-Hilal's number one is Abdullah Al-Mayouf, who didn't play at the World Cup, though his club understudy Mohamed Al-Owais did.

At Al-Nassr, Nawaf Al-Aqidi came in for the injured David Ospina, formerly of Arsenal, and looked solid. The national team coach, whoever comes in following Herve Renard's exit in March, will hope those two play regularly.

The new coach will have similar concerns up the pitch with more attacking talent coming from overseas, leaving little room for locals.

Abdullah Al-Hamdan was the next big hope when he joined Al-Hilal in 2021 but the 23-year-old has had little playing time and that looks likely to be the case once again.

Keep an eye on Firas Al-Buraikan. He had the same problem but left Al-Nassr for Al-Fateh two years ago and scored 17 goals last season, the fourth-highest total in the league; he was the only Saudi name in the top 10.

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'El Clasico'

When the 'big four' face each other there are fireworks on and off the pitch and world-class tifos.

There is debate as to which is the biggest game.

'The El Clasico' between Hilal in the capital Riyadh and Ittihad, in the Red Sea port of Jeddah, has grown into a huge occasion. The big city derbies - in Riyadh between Hilal and Nassr, and and in Jeddah between Ittihad and Ahli - are also traditionally massive.

Attendances and atmospheres in the smaller grounds around the country are often nothing special but perhaps that will change.

Managerial changes?

"We certainly have a world-class coach represented by the English legend Steven Gerrard and distinguished players, and therefore all international and internal eyes will be directed at us," new Ettifaq president Samer Al-Mishal said in July. "We must protect the club's reputation."

Traditionally in Saudi Arabia, managers have come and gone at a rapid rate at clubs big and small, with Ettifaq making more than 30 changes since the turn of the century.

Three or four winless games usually brings pressure and speculation. Ettifaq firing a coach last season made few waves outside Dammam but now the rest of the world will be watching and debating. Will clubs be as ruthless with international attention?

There are plenty of yellow Ronaldo shirts on sale in Portugal but he is not the only reason why fans and media there will be tuning in from there.

There are six Portuguese managers in charge, including at the top three teams from last season. Nuno has been joined by Jorge Jesus at Al-Hilal and Luis Castro at Al-Nassr. The pressure is on all three.
 
New toy for them.

In a few years they'll move onto a different sport and throw money at that sport.
 
New toy for them.

In a few years they'll move onto a different sport and throw money at that sport.
Don't see the issue to be honest all sports are ruled by money now, but because its Saudi a huge fuss is kicked up. Yet when China, USA do so its no issue.
 
Pakistan women’s football team captain Maria Khan has been signed by Saudi Women's Premier League's Eastern Flames FC, the club announced on Friday.

Maria, 31, is the first Pakistani female footballer to be signed by a Saudi club. She was named captain of the Pakistan women's team for their comeback tournament, SAFF Women's Championship, last year, and under her leadership, the side has displayed remarkable progress.

According to the Dammam-based Saudi club Eastern Flames, Maria has been signed for this season to strengthen their first women's team for the league.

The club announced Maria’s signing on the microblogging site X, saying “Maria Khan joins the ranks of Eastern Flames FC."

“The Club’s management contracted with the first foreign professional to support the ranks of the women’s first team in the women's premier league this season,” the Arabic text of the post said.
Reacting to her signing, Maria hoped that playing with an international club would open more opportunities for Pakistani talent.

“I hope this starts to create opportunities for Pakistani athletes and the talent that a lot of times goes unnoticed," Maria told Geo News after her signing with Eastern Flames FC.

The club’s roster also shows players from Colombia, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco in the list.

It may be noted that the club could win only two games out of the 14 in the inaugural edition of the Saudi Premier League last season.

Maria has previously played for WAPDA in Pakistan.

The midfielder got everyone’s attention earlier this year with her stunning goal on a free-kick to equalise the game against the hosts Saudi Arabia in a four-nation tournament.

Before Maria, Hajra Khan became the first ever female footballer from Pakistan to be signed by a foreign club when she joined SHR Football Club of Maldives in 2014.
 
And Neymar's on his way too.

Al Hilal close to agreeing deal for PSG star Neymar​

Paris Saint-Germain and Al Hilal are close to agreeing a deal for Neymar to join the Saudi Arabian club.
Neymar moved to Paris from Barcelona in 2017 for a world-record transfer fee of £200m.
 
To be honest the Premier League is a bit out of control at the moment with every bloke and his dog desperate to sign for any Premier League club that will have them, even those which are constantly circling relegation, if it means that they can earn the top wages and play in the richest league which will give them the most prominent levels of worldwide exposure. Some of the transfer fees being paid by Premier League clubs for these players are completely outrageous, many of whom are not even world class. Personally I think it could be helpful for Saudi Arabia to be performing a bit of a twilight raid on the Premier League, giving it a taste of its own medicine here and there, and occasionally managing to outmuscle its extreme financial capabilities. Checks and balances are a good thing.
 
If they keep this up for 5/6 more years it can easily surpass a dead league like Ligue 1 and become a top 5 league. The lack of Champions League will always be a stumbling block however.

Maybe the time comes when they can buy their way into the Champions League qualification pool.
 
Unlike Chinese misadventures, this has a chance of succeeding. Because Arab's actually like football.

Still, EPL will remain the premier football competition for near future.

Some sort of international champions league isn't out of question in future.
 
It remains to be seen if the Saudi league will challenge the more established leagues or becomes another short lived Chinese league. No one can challenge the supremacy of EPL because it has a world wide following that is rooted in history.
 
Gulf countries are buying these trophy men to generate interest in their countries. But the viewers of the sport are still concentrated in Europe and Americas. Arab countries do not have the population to sell football as a major product. Same goes for other sports too. They are just squandering billions for nothing.

I also have questions on these sports stars playing in the desert heat for too long. A few games and they would be missing playing in the milder European weather.
 
We cannot ignore this league now.

Dazn are showing the matches in the UK.

Ronaldo, Neymar, Mane, Benzema, Kante, Mendy, Henderson, Gerard and many more are now in this league.

@MIG is this the thread for results or can we change title to Saudi Pro League 223/24?

I watched Al-Ettifaq v Al-Nassr , the football was good quality with Stevie's team Al-Ettifaq winning 2-1.

Ronaldo also won his first major trophy by winning the Arab Club Cup.
 
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia are not here to take part. They're here to take over:

🟡🔵 Al-Nassr:
🔝 Cristiano Ronaldo
➖ Mané
➖ Brozović
➖ Fofana
➖ Alex Telles
🔜 Luis Alberto (Lazio)
🔜 Aymeric Laporte

🔵⚫️ Al-Hilal:
🔝 Neymar
➖ Koulibaly
➖ Milinković-Savić
➖ Ruben Neves
➖ Malcom
🔜 Verratti (PSG)
🔜 Mitrovic (Fulham)
🔜 Yassine Bono (Sevilla)
🔜 Lucas Digne (Villa)

🟡⚫️ Al-Ittihad:
🔝 Karim Benzema
➖ Kanté
➖ Fabinho
➖ Jota

🟢⚪️ Al-Ahli:
🔝 Firmino
➖ Mahrez
➖ Saint-Maximin
➖ Késsie
➖ Ibañez
🔜 Zielinski (Napoli)

🟢🟢 Al-Ettifaq:
🔝 Jordan Henderson
➖ Jack Hendry
➖ Moussa Dembélé
 
The outrage surrounding Saudi interest in football stems from a combination of ethical, political, and human rights concerns. Critics argue that Saudi Arabia's involvement in the sport risks normalizing its image despite ongoing human rights violations, and it could be used as a form of "sportswashing" to distract from these issues.
 
The outrage surrounding Saudi interest in football stems from a combination of ethical, political, and human rights concerns. Critics argue that Saudi Arabia's involvement in the sport risks normalizing its image despite ongoing human rights violations, and it could be used as a form of "sportswashing" to distract from these issues.

Europeans are either thick as bricks or very ignorant or just plain lying. How can they call out anyone for human rights when their nations history and current affairs around the world have denied the right to life to millions.
 
Europeans are either thick as bricks or very ignorant or just plain lying. How can they call out anyone for human rights when their nations history and current affairs around the world have denied the right to life to millions.
Different nations have complex historical backgrounds, and their actions have shaped their societies and international relationships. It's important to recognize that historical events can influence present perceptions and policies.
 
Different nations have complex historical backgrounds, and their actions have shaped their societies and international relationships. It's important to recognize that historical events can influence present perceptions and policies.

Sure but western nations are known for their hypocrisy.

Im no fan of Saudi as a government but they do seem to be improving, coming to peace with Iran, stopping the war in Yemen and trying to be independent from being puppets of the west. Football is world sport, it should be welcomed Saudis are playing sports with many different nationalities now in their land.

Regardless of perceptions, its clear Israel is an criminal entity, it has been since its immoral creation. Yet it is welcomed with open arms into European competitions, not just football. Thus there is no reason to exclude Saudi.
 
Sure but western nations are known for their hypocrisy.

Im no fan of Saudi as a government but they do seem to be improving, coming to peace with Iran, stopping the war in Yemen and trying to be independent from being puppets of the west. Football is world sport, it should be welcomed Saudis are playing sports with many different nationalities now in their land.

Regardless of perceptions, its clear Israel is an criminal entity, it has been since its immoral creation. Yet it is welcomed with open arms into European competitions, not just football. Thus there is no reason to exclude Saudi.
Saudi is doing great in football arena. Saudi clubs have attracted investment from both domestic and international sources. This influx of capital has led to improved facilities, increased player salaries, and a higher level of competition in domestic leagues.
 
Saudi is doing great in football arena. Saudi clubs have attracted investment from both domestic and international sources. This influx of capital has led to improved facilities, increased player salaries, and a higher level of competition in domestic leagues.

I think the Qatar world cup was the turning point. Saudi Arabia was the most supported team, the only team to beat the World Champions too. They are willing to spend $17 billion on the league until 2030!

Riyadh is so modern now. I will be going over to watch a match later this year.
 
I think the main problem with Saudi clubs is that many are owned by the PIF, which means it's basically directly government controlled. If PL clubs were owned by the British government, I could see the criticism as hypocritical, but since they're not, I think it's a valid concern.
 
There might be concerns about political influence, undue control, and manipulation of the sport for political or diplomatic reasons. This is a concern not limited to Saudi Arabia but applies to any country where state entities have direct ownership.
 
I dont see any real issue with state controlled clubs. They have the money and are willing to invest in football. This will trickle down to many clubs in Europe who will be happy to take the funds offered.
 
Yeah That's True... Well Saudi investment in football could also be seen as part of a broader strategy to promote the country on the global stage, attract tourism, and improve its image internationally.
 
Sevilla’s Moroccan goalkeeper Yassine Bounou has become the latest big name to quit Europe for the riches of Saudi Arabia, signing for Al-Hilal the two teams announced on Friday.

Bounou, who featured in this week’s UEFA Super Cup match against Manchester City, is the second big signing for Al-Hilal this week, following the transfer of Neymar from Paris Saint-Germain.

“FC Sevilla and Al-Hilal have reached an agreement for the transfer of goalkeeper Bounou to the Asian team,” said Sevilla in a statement, while Al-Hilal released a video on X (formerly Twitter) in which the player spoke in Arabic.

The value of the deal was not made public by either club, although the Spanish press put it at 20 million euros ($21.7 million).

Yassine Bounou — or “Bono” as the name on his shirt reads — joined Seville from Girona four years ago and had been linked with a move this season to Real Madrid as cover for the injured Thibaut Courtois before they opted instead for Kepa Arrizabalaga.
 
Manchester United and France defender Raphael Varane, 30, has been targeted by Saudi Arabian side Al-Ittihad.
 
Aymeric Laporte leaves Manchester City for Al Nassr in £23.6m move.

Spain defender Aymeric Laporte has left Manchester City to join Saudi Pro League side Al Nassr in a deal worth 27.5m euros (£23.6m).

The 29-year-old joined City from Athletic Bilbao in January 2018 for a then club record £57m.

He helped City win 12 major honours but made just 24 appearances as the Blues won the Treble last season.

In a goodbye message on social media, Laporte thanked fans and team-mates for an "unforgettable" time at the club.

"It has lasted five-and-a-half unforgettable years. Plenty of memories that I will keep forever close to my heart," said Laporte.

"From trophies to setbacks, victories to injuries, it's all been part of my journey, and I'm grateful for absolutely every moment that shaped me into who I am today.

"It was an honour and a pleasure to wear these colours and I hope you will remember me in a good way. I will always be a City fan and I look forward to seeing you all again."

Laporte made 180 appearances for City in total, scoring 12 goals, but he found opportunities limited last season.

Coach Pep Guardiola opted to use defenders Manuel Akanji and Nathan Ake more often, and City spent £77m to bring in Croatia defender Josko Gvardiol earlier this month.

"Aymeric has been an excellent player for Manchester City during a great time for the club," said City's director of football Txiki Begiristain.

"He fit into the team seamlessly upon arrival in 2018 and played a key role in many of our successes over the years that followed.

"The form of the other defenders in the squad made it hard for him to find sufficient game time in 2022-23 and we respect his decision to seek a move elsewhere."

Laporte switched his international allegiance from France to Spain in May 2021 and already has 22 caps, helping them win the Uefa Nations League final in June.

He is the latest high profile player to move to Al Nassr, joining Cristiano Ronaldo, Sadio Mane, Marcelo Brozovic, Alex Telles and Seko Fofana at the club.

They are one of four Saudi Pro League clubs to be taken over by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF) in June, the others being Al-Ittihad, Al-Hilal and Al-Ahli.

Last month, Laporte's former City team-mate Riyad Mahrez joined Al-Ahli in a deal worth up to £30m, while Karim Benzema, N'Golo Kante, Ruben Neves and Neymar are among other footballers to move to Saudi Arabia this summer.

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Cricket is a dying sport and will eventually only be about brown people playing it and maybe the Ashes. All the influx of money and BCCI treating it like cash cow has destroyed the game. It's a dying sport in several countries which were dominating it like West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa and neither ICC (BCCI) is interested in spending money on minnows to develop and prosper the game. All these new leagues in Americas are just mini IPL catering to Indian audience.

Saudi sure are trying to steal the Football show here as they understood spending big money could eventually change their fortune. It's not just football but they are trying to cater their tourism and mindset/reservations the world holds for them
 
Since the introduction of T20 and T10 formats, cricket has gained widespread popularity at a rapid pace globally. There's a possibility that even Saudi Arabia might start investing in cricket in the future. It's definite that cricket won't fade away.
 
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia are not here to take part. They're here to take over:

🟡🔵 Al-Nassr:
🔝 Cristiano Ronaldo
➖ Mané
➖ Brozović
➖ Fofana
➖ Alex Telles
🔜 Luis Alberto (Lazio)
🔜 Aymeric Laporte

🔵⚫️ Al-Hilal:
🔝 Neymar
➖ Koulibaly
➖ Milinković-Savić
➖ Ruben Neves
➖ Malcom
🔜 Verratti (PSG)
🔜 Mitrovic (Fulham)
🔜 Yassine Bono (Sevilla)
🔜 Lucas Digne (Villa)

🟡⚫️ Al-Ittihad:
🔝 Karim Benzema
➖ Kanté
➖ Fabinho
➖ Jota

🟢⚪️ Al-Ahli:
🔝 Firmino
➖ Mahrez
➖ Saint-Maximin
➖ Késsie
➖ Ibañez
🔜 Zielinski (Napoli)

🟢🟢 Al-Ettifaq:
🔝 Jordan Henderson
➖ Jack Hendry
➖ Moussa Dembélé
Can you have a serious football league with genuine fair competition if the top four clubs are 75% owned by the state (Saudi Investment Fund)? That in itself raises so many questions.

For example,
If it's the last series of matches of the season, and one match involves two of these state owned teams. And say, one team already has enough points to be champions, whilst the other team must win in order to avoid relegation. Would the owners allow one of their teams to be relegated, or would they 'have a word or two' with those managing the two clubs so that their team doesn't get relegated?
 
Al-Ittihad are ready to test Liverpool's resolve amid their insistence Egypt forward Mohamed Salah is not for sale with a $162m (£129m) bid for the 31-year-old. (CBS Sports)
 
Saudi Pro League 'not a threat' and 'similar to China', says Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin.

The Saudi Pro League has been dismissed as a competitive threat by Aleksander Ceferin, president of European football's governing body Uefa.

The league has lured many high-profile players to Saudi Arabia over the last year, offering lucrative contracts and paying substantial transfer fees.

Ceferin feels the Chinese Super League made the same mistakes and said "that's not the right way to do it".

"It's not a threat, we saw a similar approach in China," he told L'Equipe.

"They bought players at the end of their careers by offering them a lot of money. Chinese football didn't develop and didn't qualify for the World Cup afterwards.

"That's not the right way to do it. They should work on player and coach development, but that's not my problem."

Spending by Chinese Super League clubs was curbed by a transfer tax in 2017 but the Saudi Pro League has a long-term investment plan, with Michael Emenalo appointed as director of football to lead its acquisition and youth development strategy.

Manchester City coach Pep Guardiola, who saw Riyad Mahrez and Aymeric Laporte leave for Saudi Arabia this summer, said the country's financial clout has "changed the market" for transfers and elite European clubs "need to be aware of what is happening".

However, the Premier League's chief executive Richard Masters has said he "wouldn't be too concerned" about Saudi Arabia's growing influence in football.

'Mbappe & Haaland don't dream of Saudi Arabia'

The country's Public Investment Fund (PIF) has taken over four leading Saudi clubs including Al-Nassr, who signed Cristiano Ronaldo in December.

Karim Benzema and Neymar have been the biggest of many signings this summer while Al-Hilal made a world record £259m bid for Kylian Mbappe.

Benzema and Neymar are aged 35 and 31, respectively, while 24-year-old France forward Mbappe has decided to stay with Paris St-Germain.

Ceferin added: "There are players at the end of their careers and others who aren't ambitious enough to aspire to the 'top' competitions.

"As far as I know, Mbappe and [Erling] Haaland don't dream of Saudi Arabia. I don't believe that the best players at the pinnacle of their careers would go to Saudi Arabia.

"When people talk to me about the players who went there, nobody knows where they're playing."

Ceferin also dismissed speculation that some Saudi clubs could join future editions of the Uefa club competitions or stage the competition finals.

"Only European clubs can participate in the Champions League, Europa League and Conference League," he said.

"Only European federations can apply [to host] a final, not even clubs. We would have to change all our rules, and we don't want that."

 
European football is not in danger from the vast Saudi Pro League recruitment drive, say senior figures at the influential European Club Association.

However, European sides want alignment over when the Saudi transfer window opens and closes.

This year, the Saudi transfer window has remained open for a week longer than in most European leagues.

"I don't think there is a danger," said ECA chairman Nasser Al-Khelaifi.

The ECA was founded in 2008 to represent the interests of clubs from across Europe, and includes includes hundreds of member teams.

Al-Khelaifi, the Qatari former tennis player who is also Paris St-Germain president and has been a member of Uefa's executive committee since 2019, added: "We believe in ourselves.

"We have the best and biggest competitions and the best players. It is not for me to judge what is happening outside of Europe. But listen, most of the clubs sold players to them. If we are not happy, why do we sell our players to them? That's the truth.

"Is it dangerous? I told you my opinion. If there is a danger, the European clubs will not be quiet. So far, I don't see any danger."

The Saudi Pro League had the fourth highest overall transfer spend this summer, exceeding Spain's La Liga and the German Bundesliga. According to Deloitte, Saudi Pro League clubs have so far spent £691m.

BBC Sport has been told there is funding guaranteed for a decade, suggesting the Gulf nation intends for its competition to become one of the world's foremost in the coming years.

But Al-Khelaifi does not think there is an imminent threat to the European game, despite the exit of players such as Karim Benzema, Jordan Henderson, Sadio Mane and Neymar among others.

Former Liverpool captain Henderson joined Steven Gerrard's Al-Ettifaq in a controversial move in July, Senegal forward Mane switched to Al-Nassr from German side Bayern Munich, Brazil forward Neymar left Paris St-Germain to play for Al-Hilal, while Ballon d'Or winner Benzema is now captain of Al-Ittihad after leaving Real Madrid.

Despite Al-Khelaifi's insistence, there has been nervousness at some clubs over the potential for the Saudi Pro League to snap up players in Europe in the week's gap since the transfer window in the major European leagues closed.

Al-Ittihad have continued to pursue Liverpool forward Mohamed Salah despite the Premier League season already being up and running.

"We shouldn't be worried about it," said Bayern Munich chief executive Jan-Christian Dreesen, who has replaced former Germany goalkeeper Oliver Khan as an ECA vice-president. "We have fantastic competitions. We don't have to be afraid.

"But I would prefer the window to be closed at the same time. I would propose that."

In elections held earlier on Wednesday during the ECA's general assembly in Berlin, Manchester City chief executive Ferran Soriano took the vacant Premier League spot on the ECA board.

Celtic chair Peter Lawwell was named as a vice-president, whilst Sparta Prague international relations manager Martina Pavlova and Olympique Lyonnais Feminine owner Michele Kang were elected into the two positions reserved on the board for female representatives.

Pavlova has also been named a vice-president.

Questioned about the controversy surrounding the Spain Women's World Cup team and Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales still remaining in post, Pavlova said: "The ECA speaks for itself - its values are clear.

"We all know there are some proceedings [against Rubiales]. We have to wait for the outcome."

 
Demarai Gray has left Everton to join Saudi Pro League side Al-Ettifaq.

The fee has not been disclosed but reports suggest the 27-year-old Jamaica winger has moved for £8m on a four-year deal.

Gray was rebuked by Everton boss Sean Dyche after seeming to criticise his manager on social media after a switch to Fulham failed to go through.

Gray wrote in an Instagram post on Thursday: "The truth is I gave my all to this club on and off the pitch."

He added: "There has been a lot of speculation about my situation all summer. I was ready to play as much football as possible this season but it felt like this was not going to happen."

Dyche responded to Gray by saying that no moves are sanctioned without the club having the final say.

He also said that Gray "didn't want to train" and "didn't want to be here" when an initial move failed to transpire.

Gray had said that "it's so difficult to play for someone who don't show you respect as a person".

Gray did not play for Everton this season and had also been linked with a move to Turkish side Besiktas before completing the switch to Saudi Arabia, where the transfer window closes on Thursday.

He scored nine goals in 67 Premier League appearances after arriving at Goodison in 2021.

Al-Ettifaq are managed by former Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard and have so far signed England midfielder Jordan Henderson, former Liverpool midfielder Georginio Wijnaldum, Scotland defender Jack Hendry and ex-Lyon striker Moussa Dembele.
 
In total, Saudi clubs spent about £700m this summer, putting it below only the Premier League, France's Ligue 1 and Spain's La Liga - according to Deloitte data.

Notable Premier League departures to Saudi Arabia​
Al-Ahli: Allan Saint-Maximin (Newcastle), Riyad Mahrez (Manchester City), Edouard Mendy (Chelsea), Roberto Firmino (Liverpool)
Al-Ettifaq: Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Demarai Gray (Everton)
Al-Hilal: Ruben Neves (Wolves), Kalidou Koulibaly (Chelsea), Aleksandar Mitrovic (Fulham)
Al-Ittihad: N'Golo Kante (Chelsea), Fabinho (Liverpool)
Al-Nassr: Aymeric Laporte (Manchester City), Alex Telles (Manchester United)
As well as multiple Premier League stars going to Saudi Arabia for roughly a combined £250m, some of world football's major names will also play in the Gulf.

Paris St-Germain forward Neymar joined Al-Hilal for £77.6m, while Saudi clubs also lured his PSG team-mate Georginio Wijnaldum, Ballon d'Or winner Karim Benzema from Real Madrid, Bayern Munich's Sadio Mane, Inter Milan captain Marcelo Brozovic, Barcelona's Franck Kessie, Celtic's Jota and Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.

There could have been a new world-record transfer too. PSG gave Al-Hilal permission to talk to Kylian Mbappe after making a £259m bid, but the forward opted to stay with the French champions and Neymar was sold instead.
 
Saudi Arabia's football league could already be stronger than France's Ligue 1, says Brazil captain Neymar.

The 31-year-old forward moved to the Saudi Pro League from Paris St-Germain in August for about £77.5m and add-ons.

Neymar joined Al-Hilal in a transfer window that saw Saudi clubs spend more than £700m on overseas players.

"For the names that went to Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudi league is better than the French," he said.

Saudi clubs' spending this summer on international transfers was second only to the Premier League, whose teams spent just under £1.6bn on overseas deals, according to figures from football governing body Fifa.

While Al-Ittihad were unable to prise Mohamed Salah away from Liverpool, Salah's former team-mates Jordan Henderson, Roberto Firmino and Fabinho were among the Premier League players to move to Saudi Arabia.

Others to make the switch to the Saudi Pro League have included Inter Milan's Champions League final captain Marcelo Brozovic, Barcelona's Franck Kessie, Celtic's Jota and Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.

There could have been a new world-record transfer too. PSG gave Al-Hilal permission to talk to Kylian Mbappe after making a £259m bid, but the forward opted to stay with the French champions and Neymar was sold instead.
 
Neymar's right in that Saudi has more star power than Ligue 1, but of course the actual quality of football being played takes many years to cultivate.
 
Saudi's and Arab's must be bored with so much money. They need a toy to pass all the free time these playboy's have then why not spend on the most common sport in the world?. They have been spending too much time in casino's and club's losing millions not that it really matters to them. Investing in Football is also a great way to improve their image in the west giving the impression that "we care about human rights too". In the early 1970's the American's tried the same thing inviting the likes of Pele and George Best to participate in their new League. After a few years the whole thing fizzled out.
 
Saudi Arabia crown prince Mohammed bin Salman says he does not care about accusations of 'sportswashing'.

The Gulf kingdom has been accused of investing in sport and using high-profile events to improve its international reputation.

Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF) led the takeover of Newcastle United last year and launched LIV Golf.

"If sportswashing is going to increase my GDP by 1%, then we'll continue doing sportswashing," Bin Salman said.

He told Fox News: "I don't care [about the term]. I have 1% growth in GDP from sport and I am aiming for another 1.5%.

"Call it what you want - we are going to get that 1.5%."

Saudi Arabia has been criticised for its human rights violations - 81 men were executed on one day last year - women's rights abuses, the criminalisation of homosexuality, the restriction of free speech and the war in Yemen.

Its international standing was severely damaged by the 2018 killing of Jamal Khashoggi, a US-based Saudi journalist who was a prominent critic of the government.

Human rights campaigners say sport is being used by the Saudi government to distract from long-standing reputation issues.

But Saudi authorities reject those accusations and say investment in sport is a key part of the 'Vision 2030' strategy.

The country's sovereign wealth fund has estimated assets of $620bn (£550bn).

Newcastle chairman Yasir Al-Rumayyan is the governor of PIF, which is controlled by Bin Salman.

The Premier League club's green and white third kit last season resembled the Saudi Arabia national team kit and, at the time of its release, Amnesty International said it was "clear evidence" of sportswashing.

Saudi Arabia will host the Club World Cup in December - the first time it has staged a major Fifa event - and is expected to bid to host the World Cup in 2030 or 2034.

Qatar's controversial hosting of the 2022 tournament drew criticism because of its stance on same-sex relationships, its human rights record and its treatment of migrant workers.

PIF has taken control of four of Saudi Arabia's top clubs - Al-Ahli, Al-Hilal, Al-Ittihad and Al-Nassr - which have secured high-profile signings over recent seasons including Cristiano Ronaldo and reigning Ballon d'Or holder Karim Benzema.

The launch of the lucrative LIV Golf series in 2022 led to the PGA Tour and DP World Tour agreeing to merge with PIF in June after a year of disruption, with Al-Rumayyan appointed chair of the new unified men's game.

F1's decision to hold its inaugural race in Saudi Arabia in 2021, as part of a long-term deal, was also criticised by human rights groups.

Seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton called on Saudi Arabia to improve its human rights record before the 2022 grand prix, having said he did not feel comfortable racing in the country.

World title boxing fights have also been held in Saudi Arabia. Anthony Joshua said he was "here for boxing" before losing to Oleksandr Usyk in Jeddah last year, having beaten Andy Ruiz in the capital Riyadh in 2019.

Tennis will hold a professional event in Saudi Arabia for the first time this year after a five-year deal was agreed for Jeddah to host the Next Gen ATP Finals.

Saudi Arabia has also held talks with the women's tour about hosting its end-of-season WTA Finals.

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Al Nassr v Al Ahli playing right now.

Ronaldo and Mane v Firmino and Mahrez

DAZN show live matches.
 
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