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The UK is greatest thread reminded me of how powerful Western culture has become.

For example, in almost every country in the world when there's a business or any kind of formal meeting and now even for weddings , most men will wear a suit and tie (which is the most westernised clothing for men).

Uruguayan President Jose Mujica aired a surprising grievance: "We have to dress like English gentlemen. That's the suit that industrialisation imposed on the world."

Mujica, who donates about 90% of his monthly salary to charity and is sometimes called the world's poorest president, was rocking a crumpled striped shirt when he launched his broadside. He went on: "Even the Japanese had to abandon their kimonos to have prestige in the world."
 
Uruguayan President Jose Mujica aired a surprising grievance: "We have to dress like English gentlemen. That's the suit that industrialisation imposed on the world."

Found this a bit odd, who makes them dress like that, is it their mothers because wearing your national dress is standard for most people.
 
thought the suit actually comes from modern day turkey? brought over by an Englishman
 
If the Japanese had nuked American cities then maybe we would all have been wearing kimonos instead of suits.
 
Colonialism was the first one. Control of media has been the major one for all time. Might is right is also a big factor.
 
Power and influence go hand in hand. Western culture is influential because the west is easily the most powerful region in the world. Look at some countries who have sold their soul by adopting everything American. From back to front cap's to torn up jeans and high fives as well. Now they use the term "Mom" for mother as well. We all know what country I am talking about that suffers from the greatest American/western complex:maqsood This is because people of that country have always been followers of whoever is in power.
 
If the Japanese had nuked American cities then maybe we would all have been wearing kimonos instead of suits.

doubt it.

in any case its more british influence than american influence
 
Modern western culture is influential and powerful because it is the only culture rooted in glorification of individual and not society/tribe like in many other cultures. Human rights and welfare matter in western hemisphere and the people across the world like that and yearn for it.
 
Power and influence go hand in hand. Western culture is influential because the west is easily the most powerful region in the world. Look at some countries who have sold their soul by adopting everything American. From back to front cap's to torn up jeans and high fives as well. Now they use the term "Mom" for mother as well. We all know what country I am talking about that suffers from the greatest American/western complex:maqsood This is because people of that country have always been followers of whoever is in power.

Do they say Mom while nodding their heads appreciatively? :thumbsup
 
For me, it represents a class. So when I meet people in an elite gathering I speak in English with all its christian/western mannerisms. Like Bless you, when someone sneezes, invoking God and Jesus instead of local names for the divine. And love for cats and dogs. Makes me feel that the money on my convent education was well spent.
 
Do they say Mom while nodding their heads appreciatively? :thumbsup

No then they say "dude". That is another word they are currently crazy about. Desi ....... valayti cheekein!:rp They suffer from a MASSIVE American complex.
 
thought the suit actually comes from modern day turkey? brought over by an Englishman

"The current styles were founded in the industrial revolution during the late 18th century that sharply changed the elaborately embroidered and jewelled formal clothing into the simpler clothing of the British Regency period, which gradually evolved to the stark formality of the Victorian era. It was in the search for more comfort that the loosening of rules gave rise in the late 19th century to the modern lounge suit"
 
A spoiler : "Western culture" doesn't exist. An Irish and an English don't have the same "culture", let alone the same as a Swede who would have the same as a Pole and so on.

Generally we talk in terms of "Western civilization", with archetypal "ideas" like "liberal democracy" (Fukuyama), which has failed to take root in large parts of Asia and Africa (the Islamic world, Russia, China, etc basically the majority of humanity).

Reducing "Western civilization" to jeans or Facebook is quite special, and "internet" is not really "Western culture", for the reason it has nothing of "cultural" connotation, and also considering that many Jewish/Soviet/Japanese scientists worked for it to happen, even if did take its shape in the Anglo-American world.
 
A spoiler : "Western culture" doesn't exist. An Irish and an English don't have the same "culture", let alone the same as a Swede who would have the same as a Pole and so on.

Generally we talk in terms of "Western civilization", with archetypal "ideas" like "liberal democracy" (Fukuyama), which has failed to take root in large parts of Asia and Africa (the Islamic world, Russia, China, etc basically the majority of humanity).

Reducing "Western civilization" to jeans or Facebook is quite special, and "internet" is not really "Western culture", for the reason it has nothing of "cultural" connotation, and also considering that many Jewish/Soviet/Japanese scientists worked for it to happen, even if did take its shape in the Anglo-American world.


It is virtually impossible not to find Western influences in Japan. Walk along the Nakasendo and within a mile or two the traveler will pass a roadside shrine no bigger than a doll house. Somebody will have left off a small bunch of flowers, perhaps some wild flowers, perhaps some weed flowers, carefully placed in a Coke bottle.

Japan has been alternately receptive or closed to outside influences. For centuries, the only civilization high enough to make an impression was Chinese civilization, although often mediated through Korea. In the past century and a half, however, Japan was met with another civilization which, if not higher, was more powerful. Even before Commodore Perry forced diplomatic relations on a reluctant Japan, the Japanese were aware of the West. They realized its strength in the 19th century through the Dutch mission at Nagasaki and many began to study its science, technology, and languages.

In post-1945 Japan the overwhelming theme has been Western influence. Particularly in popular culture, American and European influence is strong. Movies, rock music, and fashion all take their Western counterparts as reference points. Even foods follow Western patterns with fast food hamburger and pizza outlets the popular gathering points for most children and young adults. Youngsters’ preference for Western food is so strong that farmers have succeeded in having a law passed which requires that rice be served at least three times a month in school lunches.

The extent of Western influence has increased steadily over the last century and a half despite the occasional period of rejection of things Western. It causes Japanese, Asians and Westerners alike to ask seriously whether Japan is Oriental or Occidental, but the questioning doesn’t seem to change the general trend.

The Jewish culture has been a big part of western culture.
 
A suit and a pant will look lot cooler and classier than a Lungi or Arab dress or a Zulu dress.
 
In post-1945 Japan the overwhelming theme has been Western influence. Particularly in popular culture, American and European influence is strong. Movies, rock music, and fashion all take their Western counterparts as reference points. Even foods follow Western patterns with fast food hamburger and pizza outlets the popular gathering points for most children and young adults. Youngsters’ preference for Western food is so strong that farmers have succeeded in having a law passed which requires that rice be served at least three times a month in school lunches.

The extent of Western influence has increased steadily over the last century and a half despite the occasional period of rejection of things Western. It causes Japanese, Asians and Westerners alike to ask seriously whether Japan is Oriental or Occidental, but the questioning doesn’t seem to change the general trend.

Again, for you listening to rock or eating hamburgers is "Western culture" ? How so ? Even if we push it, how have "Western" nations like France, Germany, Poland, Switzerland, ... played a role in birthing it ? At most, it's Anglo-American "consumerist" culture (not even "classical" Anglo American culture, you know, which is more about reading Shakespeare than listening to Lady Gaga, but perhaps I'm wrong).

The Jewish culture has been a big part of western culture.

Jews are a Mid-Easterner/West Asian people. That's why in Europe 2/3 of them have been annihilated. If they were "Westerners" like others, they wouldn't have gone through that. A Jew or a Muslim - unless assimilated, which is something like 1% at most - can never be "Western" (for Muslims, see the Bosniaks, who are Whiter than SE Europeans but still have been slaughtered for their faith alone.)
 
"The current styles were founded in the industrial revolution during the late 18th century that sharply changed the elaborately embroidered and jewelled formal clothing into the simpler clothing of the British Regency period, which gradually evolved to the stark formality of the Victorian era. It was in the search for more comfort that the loosening of rules gave rise in the late 19th century to the modern lounge suit"

thanks, remember watching a bbc program regarding what i thought above, was around early 2000's
 
I laughed so hard.
Black people shape western culture. From music, to clothes, to dance and to everything else. Literally all I see especially amongst the youth, the need to act black, talk like one, dress like one, date one (many girls I know that exclusively date blacks). May as well rename this thread tbh.. LOL.
 
I laughed so hard.
Black people shape western culture. From music, to clothes, to dance and to everything else. Literally all I see especially amongst the youth, the need to act black, talk like one, dress like one, date one (many girls I know that exclusively date blacks). May as well rename this thread tbh.. LOL.

Well obviously if you limit it to street culture and music, it'll be influenced by black people. But then you're forgetting in which language they're speaking and singing. The blacks you mention are a race that have been shaped by western culture and are expressing themselves under the guise of western culture. Need we mention the corporate world? Unfortunately your laughing was short-lived

I have learnt one thing from this PML-N Panama case and that is to follow the money trail. If you do the same with how western values have shaped the world, it's largely due to military and economic supremacy.
 
Well obviously if you limit it to street culture and music, it'll be influenced by black people. But then you're forgetting in which language they're speaking and singing. The blacks you mention are a race that have been shaped by western culture and are expressing themselves under the guise of western culture. Need we mention the corporate world? Unfortunately your laughing was short-lived

I have learnt one thing from this PML-N Panama case and that is to follow the money trail. If you do the same with how western values have shaped the world, it's largely due to military and economic supremacy.

In any language they seem to dominate and influence the masses. Doesn't necessarily have to be in English. Western culture isn't necessarily what Caucasians do, anymore.

P.S Look at Hispanic countries.
Also 'White dominance' might have something to do with it- a history mired in controversy.
 
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In any language they seem to dominate and influence the masses. Doesn't necessarily have to be in English. Western culture isn't necessarily what Caucasians do, anymore.

P.S Look at Hispanic countries.
Also 'White dominance' might have something to do with it- a history mired in controversy.

Disagree. Africans from sub-saharan Africa have no influence, you could make a case for Jamaicans and some Caribbean countries because of their achievements in sport but even then very limited influence. The artists that influence urban culture in music and other arts are ethnographically predominantly Black American/British. Yet again their influence is limited to the Arts.

The 9-5, 5/6 day working week, work attire/etiquette, 'professionalism', etc. The 'Western' influence has come in the form of industrialisation, which preceded things like consumerist culture which is witnessed in Far East Asian countries and most developing nations today. This came about initially due to Europe and America's military might that set about a seismic shift in global influence via imperialism and colonialism.
 

As India ages, a secret shame emerges: Elders abandoned by their children​


They were found in gutters, on streets, in bushes. They were boarded on trains, deserted in hospitals, dumped at temples. They were sent away for being sick or outliving paychecks or simply growing too old.

By the time they reached this home for the aged and unwanted, many were too numb to speak. Some took months to mouth the truth of how they came to spend their final days in exile.

“They said, ‘Taking care of him is not our cup of tea,’” says Amirchand Sharma, 65, a retired policeman whose sons left him to die near the river after he was badly hurt in an accident. “They said, ‘Throw him away.’”

In its traditions, in its religious tenets and in its laws, India has long cemented the belief that it is a child’s duty to care for his aging parents. But in a land known for revering its elderly, a secret shame has emerged: A burgeoning population of older people abandoned by their own families.

This is a country where grandparents routinely share a roof with children and grandchildren, and where the expectation that the young care for the old is so ingrained in the national ethos that nursing homes are a relative rarity and hiring caregivers is often seen as taboo. But expanding lifespans have brought ballooning caregiving pressure, a wave of urbanization has driven many young far from their home villages and a creeping Western influence has begun eroding the tradition of multigenerational living.

Courtrooms swell with thousands of cases of parents seeking help from their children. Footpaths and alleys are crowded with older people who now call them home. And a cottage industry of nonprofits for the abandoned has sprouted, operating a constantly growing number of shelters that continually fill.

This is one of them.

The Saint Hardyal Educational and Orphans Welfare Society, known as SHEOWS, houses about 320 people on 16 acres of land in this small north Indian city. Nearly all of them were abandoned by their families.

One woman spent more than eight years living at a faraway temple where she was deserted by her children. Another tells of a son she loved who forced her out, saying if she didn’t leave, his wife would. A man sitting atop a bed with sheets adorned with teddy bears and smiling anthropomorphic mushrooms was left to die on the street, arriving here so starved that he ate 22 rotis, one after another after another.

Birbati, the lead caregiver in the women’s building, who does not use a surname, says after years of tending to the abandoned, she finds some of them visiting in her dreams.

“Each of them has a story,” she says. “All are sad stories.”

Wealthy countries have grappled with aging societies for decades, but the issue is only now beginning to ripple in the developing world, where the idea of growing old is still new for swaths of the population.

By 2050, two-thirds of the world’s population of people 60 and older will reside outside the world’s wealthiest nations. India is projected to see growth among its old that far outstrips that of the young.

Already, the curses of that demographic shift have begun to emerge alongside its blessings. An Indian born just 70 years ago was forecast to live nearly half as long as one today. But longer lives have often brought with them greater medical need and thrust the next generation into economic binds that force them to balance the needs of their parents with the needs of their own children.

By tradition, Indian parents live with a son, who is responsible for their care, though in practice, the work typically falls to women. That remains the norm, but a growing number of older Indians now have absentee children and inadequate help to keep up with expenses or care. Others feel forced to leave homes where toxic feuds fester. And, in the very worst cases, parents are ousted from their home by a child in a dispute over money or in a wits-end solution to incontinence they can’t stomach or dementia they can’t handle.

 
They had a head start for many things.

Colonizing many countries and keeping those countries colonized for hundred of years also helped. They looted resources of many countries for an extended period of time. More money means more development.
 
They had a head start for many things.

Colonizing many countries and keeping those countries colonized for hundred of years also helped. They looted resources of many countries for an extended period of time. More money means more development.
Because they valued science. Only because of their inventions and discoveries, they got the advantage and went to colonize the world.

The reason was their scientific thought.
 
Because they valued science. Only because of their inventions and discoveries, they got the advantage and went to colonize the world.

The reason was their scientific thought.

Trillions of Dollars of looted resources definitely helped.

You can pursue science when there is no poverty or other issues to worry about.
 
Trillions of Dollars of looted resources definitely helped.

You can pursue science when there is no poverty or other issues to worry about.
How could have they navigated the earth and colonized unless they were superior in science?
 
How could have they navigated the earth and colonized unless they were superior in science?

Were they the only ones with ships? LOL.

They navigated and discovered different places because they were curious and risk-takers. White people are very curious by nature. Even in modern times, white people tend to participate in dangerous hobbies/activities (for example, extreme caving).
 
Were they the only ones with ships? LOL.

They navigated and discovered different places because they were curious and risk-takers. White people are very curious by nature. Even in modern times, white people tend to participate in dangerous hobbies/activities (for example, extreme caving).
Exactly. Others also had ships.

But whites had curiosity, courage and scientific thought. Who no one else could think of steam engine? Or trying to find different routes when it was not sure that earth was round?
 
Because of Hollywood.

Once Bollywood overtakes them we will be able to balance things out. It’s already happening at a small level.
 
You and @CricketCartoons truly have a great sense of humor.

It’s true however.
America’s soft power is underrated.

Bharat has only recently started to flex its soft power. It’s still evolving, we have a huge disadvantage of course that our language isn’t anywhere near at the level of English but we live in the era of dubbing.
 
You and @CricketCartoons truly have a great sense of humor.

Bhai is at a different level however. His soft sarcasm is untouchable.

I am merely a passionate Hindu and a Bharatiya. People misunderstand my passion for trolling.
 
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india has no soft power beyond its own expat population (which admittedly is significant), the majority of non-indian westerners do not care about indian film, music or sport. ironically indias greatest soft influence is pbly in Pakistan, who like indian songs and films.

when it comes to soft power the USA is head and shoulders above the rest, the UK is second because of the English language, music, films, etc, then you have Japan via manga, anime and counter cultures and black music culture followed by latino music.
 
india has no soft power beyond its own expat population (which admittedly is significant), the majority of non-indian westerners do not care about indian film, music or sport. ironically indias greatest soft influence is pbly in Pakistan, who like indian songs and films.

when it comes to soft power the USA is head and shoulders above the rest, the UK is second because of the English language, music, films, etc, then you have Japan via manga, anime and counter cultures and black music culture followed by latino music.

Said this many times down the years. India should probably have made more of the soft power it wielded in it's own neighborhood but seems more likely they will be quickly subsumed into western culture as well - but on balance that might be better for them.

On a side not always love reading my own comments from these older threads. Some gems from other ex-posters like enkidu_ as well.
 
Said this many times down the years. India should probably have made more of the soft power it wielded in it's own neighborhood but seems more likely they will be quickly subsumed into western culture as well - but on balance that might be better for them.

On a side not always love reading my own comments from these older threads. Some gems from other ex-posters like enkidu_ as well.
yeah its like a time capsule, got a feeling we gonna grow old and still be posting random stuff on this site, lol. i like the threads where we predict stuff, then i see how right i was, lol.
 
When a civilisation produces a more powerful weapon than a nuke, then that civilization will become a superpower.

Influence comes from dominance. Question the narrative.

Amreeka and though NATO, made the West the global influencer post WW2, through dropping the bomb.

This has all changed now, because the powers to be with their rainbow and war mongering agenda will ensure Isreal is the main influencer in the West.
 
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