Why isn't Mohammad Amir playing domestic cricket?

[RedwoodOriginal]

One could also talk about how poorly the management handled an important player. Did Waqar need to take a dig at Amir in the media? If he can do that with Amir then what’s stopping him from taking a dig at other players in the team in the future?

If Amir didn’t want to play for his country he would’ve stayed quiet about not being selected for the NZ tour. He could’ve retired and quietly went on about his business because he’ll earn more by playing in leagues than he will playing for Pakistan.

The biggest loser is Pakistan cricket, not Amir. We gain nothing from his “retirement”.

Talking to you is like going around in circles. I already told you that Amir responded to that statement. He had his rebuttal. Why can't he just move on? All he is doing is making excuses now.

You make it seem as if Amir is somehow doing Pakistan a favor by not playing. All he is doing is wasting his own time and the limited number of years he has left. Pakistan cricket will move on, just like it did in 2010. And you couldn't be more wrong when you say the biggest loser is Pakistan cricket. On the contrary, Pakistan cricket would be better off without an arrogant and entitled player like Amir.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Amir had a chance to redeem his legacy. But it seems like he wants to be remembered as the fixer who bowled one amazing match-winning spell in the 2017 Champions Trophy final.

 

[silentkiller187]

I was one of his biggest supporters until these latest outbursts, now it’s clear we are better without. 2017 was a special spell but id say the batsmen won us that game, what else has he done in the last 5 years that would even come close to justifying this outburst

 

[Indiafan]

Last Sahab has already declared his availability once the management changes. What else does he need to do? He can walk in to the team because its his birth right

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Talking to you is like going around in circles. I already told you that Amir responded to that statement. He had his rebuttal. Why can't he just move on? All he is doing is making excuses now.

You make it seem as if Amir is somehow doing Pakistan a favor by not playing. All he is doing is wasting his own time and the limited number of years he has left. Pakistan cricket will move on, just like it did in 2010. And you couldn't be more wrong when you say the biggest loser is Pakistan cricket. On the contrary, Pakistan cricket would be better off without an arrogant and entitled player like Amir.

What excuses has he made now?

Why should Amir stay quiet when the media is spinning the narrative?

Pakistan cricket didn’t move on from Amir after 2010, if they did he wouldn’t have been picked after his ban.

Okay, what does Pakistan gain from Amir’s retirement?

What makes him arrogant? All he wants to do is play white ball cricket. He was told through the media by the coach that he was dropped because he wasn’t available for all 3 formats, now he’s being told that his performances weren’t good enough. Why couldn’t Misbah say that the first time when asked about Amir not being picked?

Misbah and Waqar are now talking to the media about how there’s no problem with Amir, and that if he performs then he will be reconsidered, but it was only 6 months ago when Misbah said he was looking to the future and only picking players who are available for all 3 formats, so why has Misbah backtracked on his statement?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What excuses has he made now?

Why should Amir stay quiet when the media is spinning the narrative?

Pakistan cricket didn’t move on from Amir after 2010, if they did he wouldn’t have been picked after his ban.

Okay, what does Pakistan gain from Amir’s retirement?

What makes him arrogant? All he wants to do is play white ball cricket. He was told through the media by the coach that he was dropped because he wasn’t available for all 3 formats, now he’s being told that his performances weren’t good enough. Why couldn’t Misbah say that the first time when asked about Amir not being picked?

Misbah and Waqar are now talking to the media about how there’s no problem with Amir, and that if he performs then he will be reconsidered, but it was only 6 months ago when Misbah said he was looking to the future and only picking players who are available for all 3 formats, so why has Misbah backtracked on his statement?

I already told you. Pakistan gains by not having an arrogant, pompous guy with a clearly toxic personality in their dressing room. So many players have had misgivings with coaches, selectors, the board in the past but almost all of them have moved on if it was in the best interests of the team, and generally avoided talking about things like these in public. But Amir, despite everything everyone has done for him (he could never have done it on his own) has shown himself to be nothing more than an ungrateful guy with an attitude in the clouds who Pakistan wasted many years on.

Pakistan also gains by not wasting any more years on this guy and fast tracking the development of up and coming fast-bowlers, which Pakistan has plenty of.

What makes him arrogant is his decision to not play domestic cricket when other players who are also participating in T10 are. What makes him arrogant is his decision to continue to take himself out of contention even when Misbah has said he will be brought back if he performs. What makes him arrogant is the persistent need to give statements as if he is some kind of reality TV star, instead of a cricketer. Someone who is worried more about his image in the media than he is about playing cricket for his country cannot be taken seriously.

 

[MenInG]

Guess getting himself ready for his next assignment:

London Spirit have also made strides in securing their overseas players with Pakistani quick Mohammad Amir, and a pair of all-rounders in Afghanistan’s Mohammad Nabi and South Africa’s Chloe Tryon all due to represent the side at Lord’s this summer.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I already told you. Pakistan gains by not having an arrogant, pompous guy with a clearly toxic personality in their dressing room. So many players have had misgivings with coaches, selectors, the board in the past but almost all of them have moved on if it was in the best interests of the team, and generally avoided talking about things like these in public. But Amir, despite everything everyone has done for him (he could never have done it on his own) has shown himself to be nothing more than an ungrateful guy with an attitude in the clouds who Pakistan wasted many years on.

Pakistan also gains by not wasting any more years on this guy and fast tracking the development of up and coming fast-bowlers, which Pakistan has plenty of.

What makes him arrogant is his decision to not play domestic cricket when other players who are also participating in T10 are. What makes him arrogant is his decision to continue to take himself out of contention even when Misbah has said he will be brought back if he performs. What makes him arrogant is the persistent need to give statements as if he is some kind of reality TV star, instead of a cricketer. Someone who is worried more about his image in the media than he is about playing cricket for his country cannot be taken seriously.

LMAO - “Pakistan gains by not having an arrogant, pompous guy with a clearly toxic personality in their dressing room“. What about Waqar Younis? The guy whose had problems with players as player and as a coach? Is he not arrogant? Is his personality not toxic for the dressing room? What does Pakistan gain with Waqar Younis in the dressing room?

You think the players would rather have people like Misbah and Waqar in the dressing room over Amir?

Who cares if he’s ungrateful or has an attitude problem. The difference between a good team and a crap team is that a good team knows how to manage their players, a crap team will throw a player out thinking he can easily be replaced.

Name one player that’s good enough to bowl alongside Shaheen Afridi in white ball cricket? Don’t say “anyone who has a better attitude or has nice table manners”, that doesn’t win you games.

 

[Babbar]

“Who cares if he’s ungrateful or has an attitude problem.”

Everyone - PCB, coach, team mates, fans and Amir’s psychologist, woman and future kids, should!

 

[YousafTheBeast]

“Who cares if he’s ungrateful or has an attitude problem.”

Everyone - PCB, coach, team mates, fans and Amir’s psychologist, woman and future kids, should!

Ok mate, let’s bring Mohammad Abbas into the white ball team. He seems like a nice lad, apparently he held the door open for an elderly lady at the Mecca Bingo, that should be enough to win games

 

[TeymurBlake]

He’s already taken his retirement back (in the sense he wants to be selected once Misbah is replaced).

So how does he plan to get selected for ODI cricket? Based on T10 performances?

It depends on the next management with Amir. Personally his pace has suffered, he's economy has increased and he looks drained every time he plays for Pakistan. I don't think his heart is in it anymore which is why he needs to work on issues in domestic cricket if he wants to return to play to Intl cricket.

Now the next management could easily just bring him back straight away knowing the danger he posses with the ball and he could look a million dollars from the get go but we know Amir and he looks a shell of his former self.

 

[Babbar]

Being ungrateful, nice and polite is different from being meek. Kohli, Bumrah, Pujara, Cummins, Smith, Warner are different personalities.

None of them are meek but all are grateful, nice and polite off the field and with the coaches and will consider it a privilege to open door for the old ladies and even leave their dream series to be with the pregnant wives

Amir is lucky to be on the other side of bars. He can thank PCB & Misbah for it. He’s stretching his luck!

 

[moghul]

He has to be selected first only then he can play in domestic games.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

LMAO - “Pakistan gains by not having an arrogant, pompous guy with a clearly toxic personality in their dressing room“. What about Waqar Younis? The guy whose had problems with players as player and as a coach? Is he not arrogant? Is his personality not toxic for the dressing room? What does Pakistan gain with Waqar Younis in the dressing room?

You think the players would rather have people like Misbah and Waqar in the dressing room over Amir?

Who cares if he’s ungrateful or has an attitude problem. The difference between a good team and a crap team is that a good team knows how to manage their players, a crap team will throw a player out thinking he can easily be replaced.

Name one player that’s good enough to bowl alongside Shaheen Afridi in white ball cricket? Don’t say “anyone who has a better attitude or has nice table manners”, that doesn’t win you games.

You seem completely oblivious to history. It is by not valuing attitude that we have gotten here in the first place. Pakistan cricket doesn't owe Amir anything. Rather it is Amir who owes Pakistan a great deal because of the second chance he was given. Anyone else in his place would work 100 times harder to right the wrongs of the past and follow through on the investment and chances he was given eventhough there were periods in between when Amir was looking absolutely terrible in Tests and ODIs.

And adding Waqar to this is laughable. He is just a coach. He can be fired anytime. He is accountable to the board, not the Pakistani people.

Name one player that’s good enough to bowl alongside Shaheen Afridi in white ball cricket? Don’t say “anyone who has a better attitude or has nice table manners”, that doesn’t win you games.

Here again you are misunderstanding my point. I know full well that Amir is a great white-ball bowler. I'll go one up and say there is no one as good as him and Shaheen in limited-overs. But that's okay, because there will be someone else, sooner or later. Maybe Hasan Ali will rediscover his form, maybe Haris Rauf or Hasnain will start improving or hey, maybe it will be years before another great Pakistani bowler comes onto the scene and maybe we will lose alot of matches in the process because of our not so great bowling attack. But to that I say, its okay. Its worth it if you can keep a toxic personality like Amir out of the team. Who is actually arrogant enough to think he is the best thing since sliced bread and the team cannot move on without him.

He is in for a reality check, sooner or later. But don't worry too much about him. He will do just fine for himself based on the T20 leagues he plays.

 

[Saj]

He has to be selected first only then he can play in domestic games.

He can only be selected if he is willing to play.

Northern aren't going to select a player who says he doesn't want to play in domestic cricket.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Ok mate, let’s bring Mohammad Abbas into the white ball team. He seems like a nice lad, apparently he held the door open for an elderly lady at the Mecca Bingo, that should be enough to win games����

Unlike Amir, Abbas has actually won Pakistan some test matches in the last 4 years.

 

[Savak]

Let me make it clear. No Indian pacer ie Ishant, Shami, Bhumrah, no matter how great they are, what their past performances are, if they are coming from an injury, lay off, they will not be allowed to just walk into the side just like that, they will have to prove their form, fitness in domestic cricket and that also in a reasonable number of matches before being considered for the national side again.

Also if they spot fixed and were banned for 5 years, they will never play for the country again. This I can give you in writing. Also the BCCI will take any current active player who criticizes the head coach, bowling coach in public to task

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Let me make it clear. No Indian pacer ie Ishant, Shami, Bhumrah, no matter how great they are, what their past performances are, if they are coming from an injury, lay off, they will not be allowed to just walk into the side just like that, they will have to prove their form, fitness in domestic cricket and that also in a reasonable number of matches before being considered for the national side again.

Also if they spot fixed and were banned for 5 years, they will never play for the country again. This I can give you in writing. Also the BCCI will take any current active player who criticizes the head coach, bowling coach in public to task

If Amir was actually concerned about playing for Pakistan he could have approached the board and talked about this. I am sure there could have been dialogue and things could have been resolved. Amir likely would have gotten clarity regarding his place in the team. But no, he wanted to make a big statement. All this does is prove what an entitled brat he is.

I stood up for him when he announced his retirement but now I regret it because frankly he has exposed his true self.

 

[Markhor]

Amir had a point that the management of Misbah and Waqar did not communicate well, saying things like "Amir gave us a dhoka by retiring in Tests" publicly was uncalled for.

However Amir's social media jibes and refusal to play domestic cricket is not going to earn him much sympathy either.

The PCB have allowed this unsavoury drama to drag on for too long. They should've intervened earlier sitting Misbah/Waqar and Amir down and worked out a plan.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's pretty obvious. Not much money in playing for Northern. He'd rather save his match fitness for lucrative leagues.

PSL is a different story as he would earn the same as any other league from there.

 

[hitthestump]

Let me make it clear. No Indian pacer ie Ishant, Shami, Bhumrah, no matter how great they are, what their past performances are, if they are coming from an injury, lay off, they will not be allowed to just walk into the side just like that, they will have to prove their form, fitness in domestic cricket and that also in a reasonable number of matches before being considered for the national side again.

Also if they spot fixed and were banned for 5 years, they will never play for the country again. This I can give you in writing. Also the BCCI will take any current active player who criticizes the head coach, bowling coach in public to task

There's literally no comparison. The BCCI aren't desperate for world class talent like we are. They also pay their players very well so it's not even remotely worth trying to hold the board over a barrel while playing leagues.

 

[hitthestump]

The PCB have allowed this unsavoury drama to drag on for too long. They should've intervened earlier sitting Misbah/Waqar and Amir down and worked out a plan.

I don't think it's the PCB's role to babysit supposed professionals either.

If Amir is a brat and Waqar has no man management skills, rather than bother mollycoddling them there's enough to suggest that both ought to simply be shown the door.

 

[Caved12]

Amir is a big match player who does not believe in wasting his energies for domestic cricket or any bilaterals. The reason he retired from all formats is because he knows that in the next ten years, Pakistan won't be making it to finals in any of these icc tournaments so there was no point for him to continue playing for Pakistan. I am happy for Amir that he finally put an end to this mental torture that he has been experiencing ever since he came back from his 5 year ban.

 

[dildilpak]

Really, 90%?

When your top 3 are Rohit Sharma, Dhawan and Kohli then of course you’ll be favourites to chase 338.

India went from 55% chance of winning to 10% after Amir ran through India’s top 3.

I didn’t realise India played NZ in the semis in CT17.

The fact is before the champions trophy, everyone had written off Amir just like they’re doing now, but time and time again Amir proves the doubters wrong.

We’ll see in the PSL, how Amir makes Waqar and Misbah look like even bigger idiots.

How long do you want PCB to put up with Aamir’s tantrums for the sake of one ODI match which was won 4 years ago? Since then we had Asia cup & a WC & he failed to turn up in both these events. Any other team would have never put up with such attitude especially after they gave him a second chance after what he did to his country & his own career.

No player should be able to blackmail the board for the management of his own liking.. if he has issues with the team management, he should thrash it out with them instead of making it an ego trip.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait to be back at the home of cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alhumdulillah?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alhumdulillah</a>&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688; <a href="https://t.co/yZxoAv3pG8">pic.twitter.com/yZxoAv3pG8</a></p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1351549900799016966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Babbar]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait to be back at the home of cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alhumdulillah?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alhumdulillah</a>&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688; <a href="https://t.co/yZxoAv3pG8">pic.twitter.com/yZxoAv3pG8</a></p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1351549900799016966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The dude is an egotist!

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait to be back at the home of cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alhumdulillah?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alhumdulillah</a>&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688;&#55358;&#56688; <a href="https://t.co/yZxoAv3pG8">pic.twitter.com/yZxoAv3pG8</a></p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1351549900799016966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He acts holier than thou, and cries that his reputation has been hurt by Waqar, yet signs up for every league out there and just conveniently ignores domestic cricket.

Either he himself is extremely stupid, or he thinks all of us are stupid to believe his hypocritical antics.

 

[Mamoon]

The Hundred will be the biggest spectacle in franchise cricket after the IPL. It is going to be miles ahead of leagues like PSL, BBL, CPL, LPL, T20 Blast etc.

Any player who gets the opportunity to play in it should grab it with both hands.

 

[Zaz]

One day in 10 -15 years amir will regret his decision
A legacy and name arent made playing in t20 leagues but taking intnl wickets for your country

Money in the bank account will soon run out then whats left?

He wont have the prestige of winning games series and trophies for his country

 

[Mamoon]

One day in 10 -15 years amir will regret his decision
A legacy and name arent made playing in t20 leagues but taking intnl wickets for your country

Money in the bank account will soon run out then whats left?

He wont have the prestige of winning games series and trophies for his country

He has already has won more trophies for his country than nearly every Pakistani cricketer in history.

He had a nothing Test career though.

 

[Savak]

Its good for Pakistan Cricket that Amir stays away. Its important for the bowlers to learn to stand on their feet. Thats what the Indian tour of Australia showed. Aussies were so reliant on Warner, Smith, Marnus, Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc, Lyon for so long that when they were having an ordinary series, they just kept persisting with them and refused to try other fresher players because it was too risky in such a high profile series.

 

[Savak]

He has already has won more trophies for his country than nearly every Pakistani cricketer in history.

He had a nothing Test career though.

Pakistan won numerous Sharjah cups in the 90's, what good is that?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan won numerous Sharjah cups in the 90's, what good is that?

Those Sharjah Cups were a farce. The matches were dodgy and the umpiring was very biased.

Besides, winning ICC trophies is a bigger deal than winning those Sharjah Cups.

 

[shamaan]

I really hope amir doesnt reverse his retirement

 

[Saj]

I still believe he will get British citizenship in due course and settle in England.

Then he will continue to play in leagues around the world and possibly the IPL too.

 

[Mercurial]

Good question. Seems like he is not interested in 50 overs format too, otherwise he would of played the ongoing List A tournament. He just wants to play T20 format. His choice though, can't force him, but he shouldn't be selected in the ODI team again.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

I still believe he will get British citizenship in due course and settle in England.

Then he will continue to play in leagues around the world and possibly the IPL too.

This was discussed a few years ago here after he got married, looks like it might finally go into fruition.

 

[Yk313]

I still believe he will get British citizenship in due course and settle in England.

Then he will continue to play in leagues around the world and possibly the IPL too.

Pretty sure that was the plan all along.

Regardless of what happens if/when a new management takes control, don’t think PCB will be rushing to re-integrate high profile fixers in the near future.

Can sympathise with his woes relating to deterioration of bowling ability/fire power due to the period of his ban. Harder to empathise though given he did it knowing what he was doing.

At any rate, part of his confidence in giving these colourful rebuttals, despite not having many recent performances to back it up, comes from his confidence that he’s got the UK option open. Not different to an employee being cocky at work when they have other offers/interest.

Feel for his wife though. If I am not mistaken she was his lawyer or similar. Must have been an impressive job convincing her of his guilt-free conscience. Or maybe she didn’t even care.

Meh, guess it doesn’t matter.

 

[Indiafan]

He has already has won more trophies for his country than nearly every Pakistani cricketer in history.

He had a nothing Test career though.

How does an individual win trophies? India has had Sreesanth, Irfan, Ishant who have won us multiple world cups and CTs , yet no one thinks of that as some career defining achievement or those bowlers as good achievers. Ishant is bang average in LOIs and was dropped despite defending 120 in CT final against England, a way bigger feat that Amir defending over 340+, a total never chased in any major final. None of the players got longer ropes or special treatment despite bowling well in world cup finals and knock outs

 

[Saj]

Feel for his wife though. If I am not mistaken she was his lawyer or similar. Must have been an impressive job convincing her of his guilt-free conscience. Or maybe she didn’t even care.

That's incorrect, she wasn't his lawyer.

 

[adzzy786]

Those Sharjah Cups were a farce. The matches were dodgy and the umpiring was very biased.

Besides, winning ICC trophies is a bigger deal than winning those Sharjah Cups.

How were the matches dodgy? What does that even mean please elaborate.

 

[Yk313]

That's incorrect, she wasn't his lawyer.

Thanks for the correction. The news links I saw online back when he was early into is ban said she was his lawyer or something.

 

[wrongun]

How were the matches dodgy? What does that even mean please elaborate.

It is generally accepted that fixers were heavily involved in those Sharjah Cups in the late 80s/early 90s, away from the views of home boards & authorities and that's where such things got a real foothold in the game.

Imran himself is on judicial record speaking about the problems there & how he countered it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket-imran-players-did-accept-bribes-1184427.html

Other players from the era have spoken about it.

 

[Mamoon]

How does an individual win trophies? India has had Sreesanth, Irfan, Ishant who have won us multiple world cups and CTs , yet no one thinks of that as some career defining achievement or those bowlers as good achievers. Ishant is bang average in LOIs and was dropped despite defending 120 in CT final against England, a way bigger feat that Amir defending over 340+, a total never chased in any major final. None of the players got longer ropes or special treatment despite bowling well in world cup finals and knock outs

Pakistan has won two ICC trophies after the 1992 World Cup and Amir played a massive role in both finals.

Getting player of the tournament Dilshan for a duck in the WT20 2009 final set up the game for Pakistan. He was a man possessed in that tournament and had he taken Sri Lanka to a flyer on the flat Lord’s pitch, Pakistan would have most probably failed to chase the total.

The CT final was pretty much decided when Pakistan crossed the 320 mark. I agree. However, without Amir’s burst, it would not have been the most one sided thrashing in an ICC tournament final ever.

Amir’s getting Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan in his opening burst allowed Pakistan to win by 180 runs. Had India gone off to a flyer, Pakistan would still have won, but it would have been a more even contest with India getting close to the 280-300 mark.

Amir has had a very good white ball career for Pakistan. Downplaying the role he has played in two ICC trophy finals is futile. Nothing can take that away from him.

 

[Slim]

I have a feeling that Aamir will not be selected ever again for Pakistan.

 

[Zaz]

That's incorrect, she wasn't his lawyer.

Thanks saj Any idea how they met then?

 

[Indiafan]

Pakistan has won two ICC trophies after the 1992 World Cup and Amir played a massive role in both finals.

Getting player of the tournament Dilshan for a duck in the WT20 2009 final set up the game for Pakistan. He was a man possessed in that tournament and had he taken Sri Lanka to a flyer on the flat Lord’s pitch, Pakistan would have most probably failed to chase the total.

The CT final was pretty much decided when Pakistan crossed the 320 mark. I agree. However, without Amir’s burst, it would not have been the most one sided thrashing in an ICC tournament final ever.

Amir’s getting Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan in his opening burst allowed Pakistan to win by 180 runs. Had India gone off to a flyer, Pakistan would still have won, but it would have been a more even contest with India getting close to the 280-300 mark.

Amir has had a very good white ball career for Pakistan. Downplaying the role he has played in two ICC trophy finals is futile. Nothing can take that away from him.

So do you also agree Ishant and Irfan are legends of the game who had amazing white ball careers and better than Amir?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Thanks saj Any idea how they met then?

I believe she was a family friend who supported him during the entire saga and while he was in juvenile detention.

 

[Mamoon]

So do you also agree Ishant and Irfan are legends of the game who had amazing white ball careers and better than Amir?

They both played pivotal roles in one final only. Amir did in two.

I think Amir had slightly better white ball careers than both, but overall, they had better careers, especially Ishant who has had 10x the Test career Amir managed.