why are you getting personal?
so you cant back your claims you go personal?
Misbah has the second highest batting avg in odi cricket, so indeed one of the best from Pakistan
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why are you getting personal?
so you cant back your claims you go personal?
Misbah has the second highest batting avg in odi cricket, so indeed one of the best from Pakistan
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It's no unfair at all.
The impact of greatness goes beyond statistics alone. For a captain to be remembered forever, he needs to do something that makes him stand out from the rest of the pack.
Imran won a series in England and India for the first time in our history. Drew with West Indies and remained unbeatable against the best team of his time. He never was able to replicate his success in Australia because except the first tour, he never was fully fit there. Had he been fully available, he might have won over there too. His Shield record and Super Series record is enviable.
Imran sat out of series against the likes of New Zealand when Hadlee didn't tour saying it's a B-team. And it was as our team without him crushed them to bits.
We weren't good visitors but traditionally during that time, we used to be difficult to beat. A stoic dour team we had which was only ignited by Mushtaq and one that became a winner under Imran.
I've no hate for Misbah, what he has accomplished is beyond statistics too but both as a leader and a captain, he needs victories outside his comfort zone and leave a legacy. A respectable player and a good tactician on UAE doesn't make him a legend.
That's why, he doesn't surpass Imran, or Kardar, or Mushtaq Muhammad who sadlly is almost forgotten to the common people despite being the instigator of change in our cricket.
Two parties here.
One thinks he is above Imran because he has better performances or numbers to back him.
The other thinks he's nowhere near and throw all the real facts away.
Both are extremist views and a bit biased.
He has done enough and has some absolutely wonderful performances plus wins to be called as one of the best Pakistan produced.
All he needs to match or go above Imran are wins in England, and probably Australia. But none of our teams have beaten Australia yet.
One thinks he is above Imran because he has better performances or numbers to back him.
The other thinks he's nowhere near and throw all the real facts away.
Both are extremist views and a bit biased.
He has done enough and has some absolutely wonderful performances plus wins to be called as one of the best Pakistan produced.
All he needs to match or go above Imran are wins in England, and probably Australia. But none of our teams have beaten Australia yet.
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He will need more than a win in England to surpass Imran. Imran's team was undefeated in the Windies which was the best side of his generation. Although Imran, for some reason, has a low win % (29%), probably due to the frequent flat tracks in Pakistan (and the subcontinent in general then). However Misbah will have to win the series in England and atleast a drawn series in Australia to stake a real comparison with Imran.
He whitewashed the best team of his era (no.1 England of 2012 that beat India in India) in a neutral venue. Then beat them again last year.
England are again arguably the best Test side in the world, it will be a big challenge to remain undefeated at their home.
Plus, it's also huge credit to him that we're virtually a fortress at a neutral venue. In fact, no other Pakistani team has ever been so successful even at our 'HOME' Pakistan. We've always had teams defeating us at our home.
Nothing personal...
I just find you're very biased towards your hero.
Misbah's average means nothing in this day and age because of his lack of impact due to his appalling strike rate. In 2014 calendar year and in 2015 WC his strike rate was 70-75 which is simply unacceptable for any batsman in the post 2010 ODI era...
You can't just look at numbers like some stats bully. You need to put stats into context...
As for Misbah being one of the best ODI batsman around?
Give me a break. I can name around 10 ODI batsman in Pakistan who are better and achieved more than him in this form of the game such as Inzy, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar, Moyo, Salman Butt and I could go on...
Really?? - How many tours he had in ENG/SA/AUS??
Imran had three draw series, including one at their own home(we were robbed of test win in one of those test) with mighty WIs in 80s, the best test team ever created... To me that was Imran's biggest achievement(bigger than WC)... Not to mention winning test series in England(First time Pakistan beat English at their home) and India(only time Pakistan has beaten India in India)...Imran had far more diverse 48 tests than Misbah
People are talking too soon about Misbah, who has played/won 70% of matches in UAE, we never played against India their, who are the only team that can really challenge us in desert... Lets talk after English tour atleast...
I really like Misbah as PR person, we need educated people in cricket... But his strategy of not welcoming youngsters, is a big let down for me...Pakistan is in a big mess because of no investments in young players...
Let's face it, even the English press is excited about Pakistani tour(I am exaggerating a lot with that word here) about the same fixer guy they were excited about 6 years ago, What exactly Pakistan has brought to the table in those 6 years?? - The Golden Era of Misbah
Another way to measure the strength of great leader is what legacy and products he left... Imran Khan created a culture of fast bowling, positive attitude and confidence that servers us well for almost decade and a half... He left many world class players like Wasim, Waqar, Anwar, Mushi, Inzi...
What is the legacy(Pragmatic culture of Budhas) and product of Misbah?? - Other than Yasir, what we have from Misbah?
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I've been a cricket fan since Misbah's tenure as captain whilst on the tour to West Indies in 2011 and I have to say that I'm proud to support such a world class test team which is brimming with talent. I've seen countless amounts of victories and masterclass performances from our bowlers and batsmen to which brings so much happiness to peoples faces.
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You must be sarcastic.
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Therein lies your answer. Pakistan has had much better results at the UAE than even at its home. So basically there are three options - either the yesteryear Pakistan teams were so average that they couldn't dominate at home, or the current team is so strong that it can dominate even away from home or it is generally easier for the Pakistan team to win at the UAE when compared to its home. You take your pick.
It is not about beating England at the UAE. Let's be honest, Pakistan has been playing at the UAE for long enough to consider it as the home venue for Pakistan. Well yeah technically it is termed as "neutral", but even you would agree that the UAE conditions are more favourable to Pakistan than it is to a team like England or Australia or NZ. I think the undefeated record and the fortress thing is very commendable and not many teams can hold that but it is also a bit overrated here. I mean Pakistan are not a minnow to celebrate an undefeated record. Don't get me wrong, that record is very good but top teams are "expected" to win at home. Even if Australia has a similar record but it draws series at home, it would be terribly disappointed for having drawn those series at home. Still, it's a very good record in itself and Misbah should definitely be lauded for that.
However the reason Misbah's test record is not held in the same regard as Imran's is because Imran's team was very competitive against top teams away from home. Compare that to Misbah's, Pakistan has played the following teams away from Asia under Misbah:
New Zealand - a series win. A good achievement but it was a weak kiwi team before it transformed as a strong side. India won against the same wea side about an year before Pak did but was beaten when they toured next against a much stronger kiwi side (which drew against Pakistan at the UAE).
West Indies - Drawn series against an average at best windies side.
Zimbabwe - A drawn series with a loss against a poor Zim side (apart from the solitary test win before the series).
South Africa - This was probably the only top team that Pakistan faced under Misbah overseas amd was whitewashed there.
So basically regardless of the results at the UAE, Pakistan have come up short when they faced a top team and slipped against average and poor teams as well. Misbah has a lot to prove in the coming series and he will definitely need a series win in England and atleast a drawn series at Australia to be mentioned in the same sentence as Imran.
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You're ignoring a lot of context. When we started playing in the UAE, do you know under what conditions did we do so?
In (sort of) exile.
We didn't have a home, our team was mostly all new, inexperienced, and those bats were exposed to play in an environment they had never played their cricket in.
They couldn't play on the grounds they were playing on since their childhood and club days.
It took us time to build and settle this unit. It in itself is an achievement. They were average overseas, but had never played overseas to get acclimatized to the conditions - they had never played even county cricket to get an overseas experience. And so they were rightfully bad in their first ever overseas tours.
And don't ignore the NZ tour where Misbah beat NZ in NZ.
He has done what no other PAK team could do at home, he did at the place that was absolutely new, he made it into a fortress and he did it under exile.
All he now needs to do is go overseas and remain undefeated, and he'll have a strong claim to be called the best Test captain. Of course, not all would still accept and the Imran Khan factor will still play a role.
I won't call him better than IK if he wins in England alone.
If he can win in both England and Australia, he'll definitely become the best ever.
You're ignoring a lot of context. When we started playing in the UAE, do you know under what conditions did we do so?
In (sort of) exile.
We didn't have a home, our team was mostly all new, inexperienced, and those bats were exposed to play in an environment they had never played their cricket in.
They couldn't play on the grounds they were playing on since their childhood and club days.
It took us time to build and settle this unit. It in itself is an achievement. They were average overseas, but had never played overseas to get acclimatized to the conditions - they had never played even county cricket to get an overseas experience. And so they were rightfully bad in their first ever overseas tours.
And don't ignore the NZ tour where Misbah beat NZ in NZ.
He has done what no other PAK team could do at home, he did at the place that was absolutely new, he made it into a fortress and he did it under exile.
All he now needs to do is go overseas and remain undefeated, and he'll have a strong claim to be called the best Test captain. Of course, not all would still accept and the Imran Khan factor will still play a role.
I won't call him better than IK if he wins in England alone.
If he can win in both England and Australia, he'll definitely become the best ever.
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Even if Misbah wouldn't have won a single game in his captaincy career...the amount of dignity he brings to Pakistani cricket should alone put him as the greatest captain ever.
Just look how serious the world takes a Afridi captaincy stint or even Moyo when he was the captain.....Shoaib Malik as a cricketer is not respected by his teammates let alone by the world.
Younis Khan was teh closest but PCB burnt the bridge on that one....Misbah has done a commendable job.
If an Afridi or a Malik led side had become this pathetic in the LOI formats over a period of time,the ridicule would have been much more than it is now.
For that you guys owe it to Misbah.
Make him a Diplomat after retirement to repair some lost PR for Pakistan in some aspects of world affairs too.
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Just look how serious the world takes a Afridi captaincy stint or even Moyo when he was the captain.....Shoaib Malik as a cricketer is not respected by his teammates let alone by the world.
Younis Khan was teh closest but PCB burnt the bridge on that one....Misbah has done a commendable job.
If an Afridi or a Malik led side had become this pathetic in the LOI formats over a period of time,the ridicule would have been much more than it is now.
For that you guys owe it to Misbah.
Make him a Diplomat after retirement to repair some lost PR for Pakistan in some aspects of world affairs too.
Misbah #Respect
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Look I don't deny any of that Hawkeye, Pakistan's home record is very commendable. It's not absolute domination, but they dominate enough to not lose series at home and win series as well. However when we look at the overseas record of Misbah, his only real achievement has been a lone series win against a weak Kiwi side in New Zealand. That is far from being a good overseas record. Like I said, he needs at least a drawn series in either England or Australia to improve his overseas captaincy record.
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No I'm not being sarcastic, the ODI team has been abysmal but the Test team has been literally amazing.
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In amongst all the anti Misbah posts I think it’s important to remember that this guy was one of Pakistan’s best ever test captains. He lifted Pakistani cricket out of a gutter, post fixing scandal, and took the team to a point where they were respected worldwide.
Sure he’s not perfect but you can’t do what he did as a captain (getting to number 1 in the test rankings) without having a phenomenal cricketing brain - one which will hopefully transfer over to his coaching role
He’s only been in this coaching role for 5 minutes yet already the knives are out. At least give the man a chance to show what he can do before calling for his head. After all that he’s given Pakistani cricket surely he deserves that?
Sure he’s not perfect but you can’t do what he did as a captain (getting to number 1 in the test rankings) without having a phenomenal cricketing brain - one which will hopefully transfer over to his coaching role
He’s only been in this coaching role for 5 minutes yet already the knives are out. At least give the man a chance to show what he can do before calling for his head. After all that he’s given Pakistani cricket surely he deserves that?
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Exactly. This is why I am such a big fan of Misbah, he did great work with the test team and took us out of the gutter.
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This is the most accurate post on this thread.
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