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Why was an out-of form Hassan Ali picked over the very impressive Naseem Shah?

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Why did they go with Hasan Ali who has been out-of-form for a while and these days a Trundler at best espicially in place of the very impressive pacy Naseem Shah? I thought his performance in 1st test was very good, top speed, top thinking n top line & lengths, all he needs to grow n mature further in world cricket is a bit more time and experience in the middle.
Pace is Pace yaar, see Cummins & Starc for example.

And, Where are mystery spinners, None!?
 
Whoever you pick other than Shaheen they are not test match level.

Pakistan's bowling stocks are very dry at test level in both pace and spin departments.

The decline of Yasir Shah and Mohammad Abbas has been a death knell for Pakistan's test team.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but did anyone see Hassan Ali’s celebration when got Warner out? He was acting like he won them the World Cup, clearly a man who doesn’t care his team is trailing by 450 runs.

He’s been out of form for a long time, I would have gone with Nadeem too.
 
Even Faheem bowled way better probing line & lengths in the 1st innings, the guy (Hasan Ali) isn't international level anymore since last few months.

With Tait at the helm, I hope Naseem gets more exposure at Int'l cricket...tear away youngsta's have to be given exposure n groomed. I hope Hasan doesn't get any more gifted free wickets in this innings.
 
Naseem Shah is a club level bowler. Atleast Hasan Ali has a respectable test bowling average and a track record of running through batting lineups on a good day.
 
Sher Khan said:
Naseem Shah is a club level bowler. Atleast Hasan Ali has a respectable test bowling average and a track record of running through batting lineups on a good day.
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Sorry which clubs produce 145kmph+ bowlers who can consistently bowl line n lengths + very good bouncers!??? On the contrary, I'm sure we have several 125-130kmph trundlers at club level who could swing a bit here n there. Hasan was good say a year or so ago however in recent times pace, swing n his slower ball arent that effective.
 
Seems like Naseem has upset someone in the selection committee.

He's not been picked for the Australia white-ball squads despite being amongst the best bowlers in PSL 7.
 
Workload maybe? Pakistan haven't played Naseem in LOI yet at all. Probably not in their short-terms plans either for the 23' WC.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Workload maybe? Pakistan haven't played Naseem in LOI yet at all. Probably not in their short-terms plans either for the 23' WC.
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1 T20I wouldn't have had a major impact on his workload.
 
Final straw for hasan ali to be honest. If he doesn't have an amazing white ball series, i would be dropping him, also taking into consideration his injury concerns. Can't try and plan around a hot and cold bowler who also has injury concerns, not like he is Shaheen afridi or Pat cummins level.

Naseem or Zaman Khan can also give you the same level of performance at their worst. So why not go for some pace.
 
indian_sap said:
Why did they go with Hasan Ali who has been out-of-form for a while and these days a Trundler at best espicially in place of the very impressive pacy Naseem Shah? I thought his performance in 1st test was very good, top speed, top thinking n top line & lengths, all he needs to grow n mature further in world cricket is a bit more time and experience in the middle.
Pace is Pace yaar, see Cummins & Starc for example.

And, Where are mystery spinners, None!?
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Totally agree with you, the reason Hasan Ali is so easy a target for the better in WBC because he is a trundler and loses his confidence and control when betters take an aggressive approach. Naseem is a far better option than him, even in tests .

After his pathetic performance in WC and then PSL, I thought he was done with WBC but this useless and spineless selector Waseem has his own way of selection.
 
Saj said:
Seems like Naseem has upset someone in the selection committee.

He's not been picked for the Australia white-ball squads despite being amongst the best bowlers in PSL 7.
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That seems to be the only reason , or may be he took a bit too long to perform Sajda in PSL, did only after Safi forced him, not good for Naseem.
 
What's all this hoo haa about Naseem. He's hardly done anything for Pak and seems very average for me. Much prefer Muhammad Waseem to him.
 
People not differentiating red and white ball cricket form/pedigree is not uncommon.

Just because his white ball form is not great, it doesn't diminish him as a test bowler.

You can't decide people's pedigrees based on PSL.

Hassan Ali has 74 wickets at 22 with 6 hauls of 5 wickets and a 10 wickets haul. That is better than Shaheen Shah's average of 25.

He got 7 wickets in a game just 2 tests ago. Even in the Australia game, he was quite good in parts - despite pitch issues and coming from fitness issues.

Back your players.
 
Hasan Ali was just featured in the test team of the year. He has his flaws he has been solid in test cricket for a year in Asia like conditions. So I don't understand the out of form argument.
 
Fahdi said:
Hasan Ali was just featured in the test team of the year. He has his flaws he has been solid in test cricket for a year in Asia like conditions. So I don't understand the out of form argument.
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Well hes been poor in limited overs cricket not test cricket and its been a while

Hence why people are questioning his selections in the limited formats squad

He needs to sort himself out if hes to have a future going forwarx because at the moment hes very expensive and hittable and potrays no confidence when under the cosh
 
Mate, if u have watched cricket as long as I did u will know the difference when you see it on the screen!

Hasan no longer has that zip and has also lost pace since last yr or so, notice how easily Australians handled him in recent test not to forget his pathetic below par world cup performances that led Pakistan down several times...I thought after all these rubbish performances his time was up but unfortuantely looks like he will have to perform badly again to be even considered for sacking. I was amazed at how easily Australian batters handled him in this recent test.

On the contrary, I like Mohd Waseem Jr too however once again I'd prefer a straight high arm pace bowler when compared to kind of a slinging action of Wasim Jr...however, both are good bowlers hence for them to mature & grow its absolutely important that they r given enough TIME & EXPOSURE in the middle!
 
No offense but, sometimes audacity of cricket fans surprises me.

Hassan Ali's last T20I appearance 3/22 in 4 overs
Hassan Ali's 2nd last ODI appearance 5/51

T20Is in 2021; 25 wkts at an average of 19.28 and eco of 8.08

ODIs in 2021; 7 wkts in 4 matches at an average of 32 and economy of 7
(Yes struggled a bit in ODIs but considering how he was the best pacer overall across the formats alongside Shaheen, you dont drop your key players on the basis of 3-4 matches for sure)

Naseem has improved a lot in whiteball cricket and is in the radar surely but, one doesnt have to force a place for him in the squad. Team culture and processes are key in building a solid unit.
 
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Umm because he is one of Pakistan's two best bowlers and took 41 test wickets (third most in the world) last year? He was also the leading wicket taker in Pakistan's last home series.

Also, what else can a cricketer do to get back in form besides playing cricket?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Umm because he is one of Pakistan's two best bowlers and took 41 test wickets (third most in the world) last year? He was also the leading wicket taker in Pakistan's last home series.

Also, what else can a cricketer do to get back in form besides playing cricket?
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That too at an average of 16 and SR of 31.

His whitbeall performances which havent been bad as some have been talking about based upon WT20 struggles and couple of ODIs has impacted his test reputation in the eyes of some fans.
 
Titan24 said:
That too at an average of 16 and SR of 31.

His whitbeall performances which havent been bad as some have been talking about based upon WT20 struggles and couple of ODIs has impacted his test reputation in the eyes of some fans.
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The positive thing is that the stakeholders in Pakistan cricket seem to understand his value, even if certain fans don't. Even when he was going through the worst phase of his career post 2019 WC and battling an injury, PCB kept him on a central contract and helped him during his rehabilitation. Which just goes to show that guys who are committed to doing well for Pakistan and aren't named Mohammad Amir, are looked after by the PCB. And needless to say, Hasan repaid the faith fully right from the moment he started playing FC cricket for Central Punjab.
 
Titan24 said:
That too at an average of 16 and SR of 31.

His whitbeall performances which havent been bad as some have been talking about based upon WT20 struggles and couple of ODIs has impacted his test reputation in the eyes of some fans.
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As far the T20 WC/limited-overs struggles go, every player goes through tough phases and bad series/tournaments. But they shouldn't define a player. Especially not someone as good as Hasan.
 
What about recent world cup performances? and the recent test? He looked timid had no zip whatsoever, felt like a club-level bowler. Anyways, home conditions hope he performs in the upcoming series.
 
Certain things are not based on merit- team selection based on what captain and top wants. Exclusion of Shawn Masood and Naseem Shah is puzzling. On the other hand you have 3 left arm spinners in Asif Afridi, Khushdil, and Nawaz!!! Persisting with Usman Qadir to have a pal around!!
 
Its hard to have meaningful discussion with "stats gurus" with little knowledge of cricket. They keep mentioning Hasan Ali's test stats . How hard is it to understand that test cricket is different from WBC.

Roots and Labuschagne are currently the best test batsmen in the world, there is a reason they are not included in their country's T20 team or even domestic T20 team.

We lost T20 WC due to pathetic bowling by this trundler throughout the tournament and he carried on his poor T20 form in PSK too.
 
Its simple.

We generally ( but not exclusively) pick Test players on PSL performances.
 
adzzy786 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but did anyone see Hassan Ali’s celebration when got Warner out? He was acting like he won them the World Cup, clearly a man who doesn’t care his team is trailing by 450 runs.

He’s been out of form for a long time, I would have gone with Nadeem too.
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If Rizwan or Nauman got out, he would have bottled it with the bat too. He is mentally a very weak player even though he portrays himself as mentally very strong
 
Because Hasan is Scenior and there is a history of seniors being given a free ride or unlimited pass in the team that's an ideal opportunity to groom Naseem by playing in these meaningless ODI against the Aussies
 
Long list of sceniors being given a free ride in Pak team over the years
Faisal Iqbal
Imran Farhat
Kamran Akmal
Shoaib Malik
Muhammad Hafeez
 
Kianig89 said:
Because Hasan is Scenior and there is a history of seniors being given a free ride or unlimited pass in the team that's an ideal opportunity to groom Naseem by playing in these meaningless ODI against the Aussies
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I'm sure Mohammad Wasim understands that but apparently he is too insecure for his job, just trying to keep everyone around him happy. Would do anything to keep his job, doesn't care about the future of Pakistan cricket.
 
I don't think they're utilising Naseem Shah very well at the moment.

At this stage of his career to me he looks best-suited to white ball cricket, yet they keep picking him for Tests, where he hasn't got the skill-levels, the patience or the stamina to yet succeed.
 
Would have liked Hasan to get some rest. He’s coming back from injury and is imminent that he will have a bad patch on road to recovery. Would like these players or management to guide them better or else career will be short.

He isn’t in a race vs Shaheen or anyone. Guy just should focus on his own bowling and listening to his body.
 
They call him Hostile Hasan. Don't disrespect him.
 
Im telling you even if Hasan Ali fails in upcoming AUS series the selectors will still consider him for the ODI WC.. theres something more to it than meets the eye :)
 
Saj said:
I don't think they're utilising Naseem Shah very well at the moment.

At this stage of his career to me he looks best-suited to white ball cricket, yet they keep picking him for Tests, where he hasn't got the skill-levels, the patience or the stamina to yet succeed.
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Saj bhai, patience stamina and maturity comes with playing more n more at the highest level...the guys got beautiful action, is tall n strong, good line n lengths, better thinker than most Pak fast bowlers in recent memory...all he needs is more exposure to build stamina patience n pickup other game relevant nuances.
 
sali said:
Certain things are not based on merit- team selection based on what captain and top wants. Exclusion of Shawn Masood and Naseem Shah is puzzling. On the other hand you have 3 left arm spinners in Asif Afridi, Khushdil, and Nawaz!!! Persisting with Usman Qadir to have a pal around!!
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Khushdil is all rounder.
Nawaz or asif only 1 will play alongside Shadab.
 
Maher96 said:
Would have liked Hasan to get some rest. He’s coming back from injury and is imminent that he will have a bad patch on road to recovery. Would like these players or management to guide them better or else career will be short.

He isn’t in a race vs Shaheen or anyone. Guy just should focus on his own bowling and listening to his body.
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I don't think they have a tour coming up in the next month or so.
 
Why do people get so excited over a few PSL performances ? One should analyse the overall record of a player not individual tournaments, otherwise Asad Shafiq is due a recall to ODIs with his Pakistan Cup displays.

Naseem Shah has played grand total of 4 List A matches. He's played 42 T20s with an unimpressive bowling avg of 31.

From what we have seen of Naseem in international cricket, he doesn't understand the art of setting up a batsman or bowling to a field. He's still literally learning his craft, and it's better he does that in domestic than international cricket.
 
Markhor said:
Why do people get so excited over a few PSL performances ? One should analyse the overall record of a player not individual tournaments, otherwise Asad Shafiq is due a recall to ODIs with his Pakistan Cup displays.

Naseem Shah has played grand total of 4 List A matches. He's played 42 T20s with an unimpressive bowling avg of 31.

From what we have seen of Naseem in international cricket, he doesn't understand the art of setting up a batsman or bowling to a field. He's still literally learning his craft, and it's better he does that in domestic than international cricket.
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Asad is tried and tested.
Some players you can see that they will do well in international even with little domestic games.
 
shamaan said:
Asad is tried and tested.
Some players you can see that they will do well in international even with little domestic games.
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Besides giving epic stares what has Naseem achieved in International cricket?
 
Why do people get so excited over a few PSL performances ?
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Because the PSL is widely recognised as the avenue for T20 selection, or at least it should be.
 
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Naseem has been very ordinary at Test level. Hasan has done better in Test recently.

So, picking Hasan over Naseem is a good decision.
 
Naseem is not ready to play any international cricket. At this moment there's nothing impressive about Naseem Shah, at least Hassan has experience & do have some real ability unlike Naseem who is only good for staring at the batter when he gets lucky with an odd impressive ball.
 
Naseem and Hassan in the XI now!

Good decision.
 
Naseem as expected already looking much better bowler than Hasan - probing fast lines n lengths!
 
As I write, Waqar just mentioned that with pace n bounce Naseem would have been a better bowler to share the new ball with Shaheen this morning however the new ball was given to Hasan.
 
Has been by far the most accurate bowler this morning session. Every ball is probing and asking questions, the only bad ball was the short ball to khawaja.
 
Hasan Ali is looking very average. Harris Rauf, Amir, Abbas and even Dhani look better options in front of him on these tracks.
 
Hasan Ali is the most useless cricketer specially in tests...Pak have taken such a big risk they already had a big tail and now tail is huge.
 
Sycamore said:
Has been by far the most accurate bowler this morning session. Every ball is probing and asking questions, the only bad ball was the short ball to khawaja.
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Just reward

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Just reward

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While that was a peach of a delivery, the video quality by pcb iss great
 
Hassan Ali is starting to go down the Younis Khan, Yousuf, Hafeez route now with his attitude as well.

The commentators pointed out how Hassan decided to start warming up himself without the captain telling him to warm up when the second new ball was taken, as if to pressurise Babar to let him bowl with Shaheen even though Babar wanted to continue with Naseem.

I hate how Pakistani players become so full of themselves after a few decent performances!
 
Hassan Ali is from the Shoaib Malik clan so you from where he is coming needs to be booted for a time period until he wins it back by performing in domestic cricket
 
Naseem was the pick of the bowlers he was challenging Khawaja every single ball and was bowling at 90mph.
 
hasan ali seems to be more interested in theatrics more so working hard.. after australia score 500 and he takes a wicket his celebration is embarassing. he should be carrying water instead to get his head straight i see him going the ahmed shahzad route as for now
 
At start of series i backed Hasan as he had performed well in other test series. Across this series he has been very poor and needs to improve drastically or any credit in bank on past performances will be gone.
 
I thought he bowled well today and could have had a couple more wickets with a bit of luck.

Good pace and tested the batters consistently.
 
This is the version of Naseem Shah that I hoped to see when he made his debut in Australia.
He's evolved steadily. I've always rated him very highly and it was so satisfying to see him bowl today.

I know it's only one performance but I have high hopes he will only get better
 
What a beautiful performance so far by Naseem, proper fast bowling...silencing a lot of critics!
 
Just saw his wickets. Good to see good old pakistan reverse swing bowler again. Well done!
 
bowled beautifully but need to be consistent with this performance

dont want a 1 test wonder

1 test performance and then nothing for next 10 isnt cut for us ... dont need another Wahab/Sami

for now ... welll done
 
Amjid Javed said:
At start of series i backed Hasan as he had performed well in other test series. Across this series he has been very poor and needs to improve drastically or any credit in bank on past performances will be gone.
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Yes you were obviously very wrong about Hasan Ali. Many people tried to explain to you that if someone is getting phainty in PSL they aren't suddenly going to become Jeff Thompson in a test match a week later just because it's a "different format".

Hasan Ali should be out of the side and back in domestics after this series. He has gone the same way he did in 2019. A comeback is definitely not out of the question but he needs to go back to the drawing board once again.
 
indian_sap said:
Why was an out-of form Hassan Ali picked over the very impressive Naseem Shah?
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For the same reasons that he was picked in WC T20, same reasons that Yasir shah and Zahid are out but Sajjid is in, for the same reason that Shan Masood is being wasted, for the same reason that Usman Qadir keeps warming up the bench, and for the same reason that an injured Mohd Nawaz was picked ahead of Imad and Zahid. Its called lack of foresight and soft corner for friends!!
 
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Seems like Naseem has shown in this series he is capable of replacing Hassan in the side.
 
Theres no pace intensity or zip in his bowling

He seems to be going through the motions He needs to go bsck to domestics We cant have players blowing hot and cold all the time and hasan ali is one of them who does this too often letting the team down
 
Babar is still defending him in his presser. And using absurd statements such as he's won matches in the past so he's got confidence in Hassan's ability.

Lulz.
 
Energy said:
Babar is still defending him in his presser. And using absurd statements such as he's won matches in the past so he's got confidence in Hassan's ability.

Lulz.
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Of course the captain will defend his player. He's not going to publicly chuck him under the bus. Just hope the selectors make the right decision to drop him, his bad run of form has gone on too long while Naseem has shown the ability to fill his void.
 
Hassan Ali should be dropped and should not play any of the limited overs games overall a rating of 2/10 is fair.
 
Its hard for me to understand that how a champion bowler like Yasir Shah is now worst than Sajid Khan? Pakistan should have made under prep spin tracks like India and played three spinners. That was the only way to win this series. A huge opportunity missed.
 
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