Widow of Indian man murdered in anti-immigrant hate crime faces deportation from the US

[Abdullah719]

The widow of Indian national Srinivas Kuchibhotla, who was shot and killed in a suspected hate crime in Kansas in February, faced deportation from the US after her husband’s murder till a lawmaker and others helped her get a one-year visa.

Sunayana Dumala lost her US resident status after Kuchibhotla was gunned down in a bar in Olathe, Kansas, on February 22 by a man who shouted racial slurs before he opened fire.

Kevin Yoder, a Republican member of the house of representatives, said he became “apoplectic” when he heard the news and began working to help Dumala maintain her residency after she travelled to Hyderabad for her husband’s funeral and feared she would be unable to return to the US.

“We are not going to deport the widow of the victim of a hate crime,” Yoder was quoted as saying by The Kansas City Star.

With the help of Yoder and others, Dumala was granted a one-year visa to resume work at a marketing agency in Overland Park.

In a Facebook post, Yoder wrote about Dumala losing her husband in a “senseless murder no one should ever have to endure”. He added that Dumala also faced the prospect of having to return to India because of her visa status. “Thankfully, we were able to help her stay for now and are working towards a permanent fix...,” he wrote.

But Yoder also said more will have to be done to prevent Dumala’s deportation and help her secure permanent residency.

At a time when the Trump administration is cracking down on migrants, Yoder is the lead sponsor of a bill that could speed up permanent resident status of well-educated immigrants from India, China and other highly populated countries who face strict limits in acquiring green cards, The Star reported.

In an email sent to The Star, Dumala wrote: “On the fateful night of Feb 22, I not only lost my husband but also my immigration status...I’m very fortunate that many people came to my rescue to get me back on a temporary status...and are continuing to work on a permanent fix.”

Dumala has lived in the US since she enrolled in a Minnesota college in 2007. She married Kuchibhotla, a technical engineer, in 2012 and they applied for a green card on his H-1B visa.

Adam Purinton, the man accused of killing Kuchibhotla and injuring his colleague Alok Madasani, was indicted by a federal grand jury on hate crime charges in June. Purinton had shouted "get out of my country" before he opened fire.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...dent-status/story-QcfcvPCDPKnAT5QnhAaKxL.html

 

[JaDed]

Shows how great America is to live,even when the foreign land took away her husband she still wants to be there.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Shows how great America is to live,even when the foreign land took away her husband she still wants to be there.

India is also great. Families of victims killed in hate crimes, still want to stay here.

 

[Yossarian]

Shows how great America is to live,even when the foreign land took away her husband she still wants to be there.

I feel sorry for the lady. To lose her husband is bad enough, but to be also faced with the threat of losing her home and her job is completely immoral.

Having said that, she's caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

On the one hand potentially losing her home and her job by being forced to leave the country, whilst on the other hand, considering her husband was killed purely due to his colour and appearance (that of looking like he was from the sub-continent or the Middle East), she will forever live with the (irrational) fear at the back of her mind that the same could also happen to her and will be looking over her shoulder everywhere she goes as long as she stays.

 

[IMMY69]

India is also great. Families of victims killed in hate crimes, still want to stay here.

So how many migrants in India who are victims of hate crimes that decide to remain in India?

 

[Firebreaker]

If it was in UAE,Same Indians and South Asians would have said how horrible country UAE is.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

So how many migrants in India who are victims of hate crimes that decide to remain in India?

I don't know but must be significantly large number if consider the migrants of east pakistan who fled to India in 1971 and stayed here, also the recently a number of hindu familes from pakistan too migrated to India to find a safer place.

 

[PakLFC]

Shows how great America is to live,even when the foreign land took away her husband she still wants to be there.

Of course she wants to remain in America. Why would she want to return to a third world and poverty stricken country like India? If she was European would not be so afraid to return home.

 

[JaDed]

India is also great. Families of victims killed in hate crimes, still want to stay here.

The difference is they grew up here,the husband and wife moved to America, personally I wouldn't be able o forget.

 

[JaDed]

Of course she wants to remain in America. Why would she want to return to a third world and poverty stricken country like India? If she was European would not be so afraid to return home.

India is pretty good for rich ppl comparatively,it's good for upper middle class as well,many of them prefer having servants, of course you are trolling and I'm still replying nevertheless on the logic.

 

[JaDed]

If it was in UAE,Same Indians and South Asians would have said how horrible country UAE is.

The reason is many Americans sympathized with the shooting,one even saved an Indian,unlike the Arabs that routinely are in news abusing desis.

 

[JaDed]

I feel sorry for the lady. To lose her husband is bad enough, but to be also faced with the threat of losing her home and her job is completely immoral.

Having said that, she's caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

On the one hand potentially losing her home and her job by being forced to leave the country, whilst on the other hand, considering her husband was killed purely due to his colour and appearance (that of looking like he was from the sub-continent or the Middle East), she will forever live with the (irrational) fear at the back of her mind that the same could also happen to her and will be looking over her shoulder everywhere she goes as long as she stays.

Yes, but she obviously made the choice, irrespective of the event, don't know if it says more about India or USA.

 

[PakLFC]

India is pretty good for rich ppl comparatively,it's good for upper middle class as well,many of them prefer having servants, of course you are trolling and I'm still replying nevertheless on the logic.

Not trolling. She could very well come from a poor background so does not want to return home for that reason. There is no trolling in calling India a dirt poor country.

 

[big_gamer007]

Not trolling. She could very well come from a poor background so does not want to return home for that reason. There is no trolling in calling India a dirt poor country.

India is one of top economy of the world it is not a poor country.. If India is poor so is UK and Pakistan would be poorest of the poor.. The wealth is not distributed evenly so a large number of Indians are poor but as a country we are one of the top economies not that it makes any difference but your post was incorrect..

 

[QazzarFan]

I mean ya it's tragic that her husband died but why should laws change for her?

 

[Slog]

India is one of top economy of the world it is not a poor country.. If India is poor so is UK and Pakistan would be poorest of the poor.. The wealth is not distributed evenly so a large number of Indians are poor but as a country we are one of the top economies not that it makes any difference but your post was incorrect..

India is not a poor country?!?!

 

[big_gamer007]

India is not a poor country?!?!

India a country is in top 6 money wise so from a country perspective it is one of the largest economies.. Now if you bring in population and what defines a country which is its people then yes a huge number of Indians are poor..

 

[ToeCrusher2]

India is not a poor country?!?!

India is not a poor country, India has a lot of poor people, learn the difference. India is 6th in terms of nominal gdp, 4th in terms of purchasing power parity, 3rd or 4th largest military in the world, one of the very few nuclear powers in the word, part of G20 major economies, India is one of the select few nations in the world to have a blue water navy, Indian Navy is also the only Asian navy considered to be a rank three "multi-regional power projection navy" per Todd and Lindberg's classification system, Not to forget about the very successful space program we have.

So, in conclusion, no, India is not a poor country, but India does have a lot of poor people.

 

[Slog]

India a country is in top 6 money wise so from a country perspective it is one of the largest economies.. Now if you bring in population and what defines a country which is its people then yes a huge number of Indians are poor..

You look at wealth of a country by its GDP per capita

By nominal measures many european countries would fall behind but they are considered rich due to their pr capita and obv other indicators which make them first world.

 

[Syed1]

India is one of top economy of the world it is not a poor country.. If India is poor so is UK and Pakistan would be poorest of the poor.. The wealth is not distributed evenly so a large number of Indians are poor but as a country we are one of the top economies not that it makes any difference but your post was incorrect..

Sir maybe you will benefit from getting your info outside of Indian sources. India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa.

 

[PakLFC]

India is one of top economy of the world it is not a poor country.. If India is poor so is UK and Pakistan would be poorest of the poor.. The wealth is not distributed evenly so a large number of Indians are poor but as a country we are one of the top economies not that it makes any difference but your post was incorrect..

The money only makes the wealthy even wealthier never reaching the poor and downtrodden. This is something you people are unable to understand. FACT is some 400 million people live below the poverty line in your country. Pak has a strong middle class as well, when you talk of growing economy keep in mind the size of you country compared to the UK and Pakistan. Once again, the growing economy never benefits the poor. Remember that.

 

[troodon]

Sir maybe you will benefit from getting your info outside of Indian sources. India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa.

India has more poor people than sub Saharan Africa.

India has more rich people than entire Africa and South America combined.

A lot depends on which way you want to look at it.

Main issue is the population and the poor continue to have tons of kids and there is no way out of it unless Government follows the Chinese rule.

 

[UN talkz]

"We will make America great again" : Donald Trump

 

[big_gamer007]

The money only makes the wealthy even wealthier never reaching the poor and downtrodden. This is something you people are unable to understand. FACT is some 400 million people live below the poverty line in your country. Pak has a strong middle class as well, when you talk of growing economy keep in mind the size of you country compared to the UK and Pakistan. Once again, the growing economy never benefits the poor. Remember that.

Sir maybe you will benefit from getting your info outside of Indian sources. India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa.

You look at wealth of a country by its GDP per capita

By nominal measures many european countries would fall behind but they are considered rich due to their pr capita and obv other indicators which make them first world.

Never denied any of the above the comment I replied to said "India is a poor country" which is technically incorrect as India as a country has one of the most wealth of any countries barring 4-5 others.. No one is denying the rampant poverty or unequal distribution of that wealth.. I don't think why it's so hard to grasp or maybe some of you just need a reason to take taunts like worse than Africa..

Don't think why anyone is even arguing with me such a simple post which people don't wanna accept and just twist it in a different way to take potshots..

 

[Slog]

Never denied any of the above the comment I replied to said "India is a poor country" which is technically incorrect as India as a country has one of the most wealth of any countries barring 4-5 others.. No one is denying the rampant poverty or unequal distribution of that wealth.. I don't think why it's so hard to grasp or maybe some of you just need a reason to take taunts like worse than Africa..

Don't think why anyone is even arguing with me such a simple post which people don't wanna accept and just twist it in a different way to take potshots..

Because you are wilfuly misrepresenting facts

India is a poor country by any measure.

 

[big_gamer007]

Because you are wilfuly misrepresenting facts

India is a poor country by any measure.

I didn't misinterpret anything mate just do a quick google search "total national wealth of India" in almost all of the articles it shows India in top 20 wealthiest countries of the world..

Now the top 1% own more than the bottom 70% is a separate issue.. Even in terms of GDP and other parameters India as a country ranks in top 10..

 

[Slog]

I didn't misinterpret anything mate just do a quick google search "total national wealth of India" in almost all of the articles it shows India in top 20 wealthiest countries of the world..

Now the top 1% own more than the bottom 70% is a separate issue.. Even in terms of GDP and other parameters India as a country ranks in top 10..

so you are saying India is a rich country and the problem is that the wealth is concentrated in a few hands?

 

[Poutine]

I mean ya it's tragic that her husband was murdered but why should laws change for her?

Corrected.

 

[big_gamer007]

so you are saying India is a rich country and the problem is that the wealth is concentrated in a few hands?

Compared to other countries India has a lot of wealth however the size and population of India is so huge that that if you take those factors in account India should have at least 4-5 times more wealth than it currently has to be considered rich/developed or in short a good place to live for everyone..

 

[Chrish]

Rich/ upper middle-class have very good life in India. It's the high number of poor and income inequality that's the main issue.

 

[Chrish]

If it was in UAE,Same Indians and South Asians would have said how horrible country UAE is.

Apparently South Asians are usually employed as manual laborers in UAE. In fact from what I gather even SA Muslims often face abuse in Arab world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is not a poor country?!?!

No.It isnt.But many Indians are poor people.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sir maybe you will benefit from getting your info outside of Indian sources. India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa.

And you will benefit by getting your info from non propoganda sources.

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Please educate this guy.

 

[Slog]

And you will benefit by getting your info from non propoganda sources.


[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]


Please educate this guy.

He actually stated a factual thing

Or is BBC also propaganda?

 

[Napa]

And you will benefit by getting your info from non propoganda sources.


[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Please educate this guy.

I already have given him statistics with citations like Nigeria has a poverty level of 70% compared to India's 21%. He chooses to ignore data, not much I can do.

 

[PakLFC]

Never denied any of the above the comment I replied to said "India is a poor country" which is technically incorrect as India as a country has one of the most wealth of any countries barring 4-5 others.. No one is denying the rampant poverty or unequal distribution of that wealth.. I don't think why it's so hard to grasp or maybe some of you just need a reason to take taunts like worse than Africa..

Don't think why anyone is even arguing with me such a simple post which people don't wanna accept and just twist it in a different way to take potshots..

You are not the only wealthy country. Pakistan and African countries are also very wealthy and would be right up there if it were not for corrupt politicians so there is nothing special about you I deal with the facts on the ground instead of the many possibilities. In fact with lesser mouths to feed and being at the cross roads of South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East Pak has far more potential then India. Stop telling us how great you are otherwise be prepared to be challenged. 400 million people in India live below the poverty line, FACT

 

[big_gamer007]

You are not the only wealthy country. Pakistan and African countries are also very wealthy and would be right up there if it were not for corrupt politicians so there is nothing special about you I deal with the facts on the ground instead of the many possibilities. In fact with lesser mouths to feed and being at the cross roads of South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East Pak has far more potential then India. Stop telling us how great you are otherwise be prepared to be challenged. 400 million people in India live below the poverty line, FACT

lol parroting the same statements again and again.. Just go to google and search total wealth of India and any article you get there will put India amongst top 15 wealthiest countries of the world.. Your so called African countries and Pakistan don't even come close.. If you still don't believe it feel free to reply in the comments section of all those articles and debate with anyone who cares about your opinion over there..

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Does India have the most poor people in the world as well? Country wise?

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Does India have the most poor people in the world as well? Country wise?

Sheer number wise? I would assume so even if we don't have the most we will certainly be amongst the top 5 countries sheer number wise in terms of poor people..

 

[Slog]

Sheer number wise? I would assume so even if we don't have the most we will certainly be amongst the top 5 countries sheer number wise in terms of poor people..

Obv sheer number wise. top 5. Which countries could be more?

Because that's how you're looking at other metrics whereas for me per capita is the ideal metric

 

[Chrish]

India's main aim should be to compete with China that has similarly large population; not Nigeria.

China is a Communist country so of curse I wouldn't be surprised if some of their data is made up, but still in terms on reducing poverty and improving sanitation, it can't be denied they are far ahead of India.

 

[Slog]

Obv sheer number wise. top 5. Which countries could be more?

Because that's how you're looking at other metrics whereas for me per capita is the ideal metric

As expected no reply

If India has a lot of wealth, India also has the most poverty

 

[PakLFC]

lol parroting the same statements again and again.. Just go to google and search total wealth of India and any article you get there will put India amongst top 15 wealthiest countries of the world.. Your so called African countries and Pakistan don't even come close.. If you still don't believe it feel free to reply in the comments section of all those articles and debate with anyone who cares about your opinion over there..

And you should also learn something about Pak before posting here and read a bit. The reports you are on about among many others also tell us about the millions of problems in India related to poverty that you choose to ignore. We come more then close in fact potentially are in a different league to you. It is you not us who has the most number of slums, prostitutes, sick people and poor people in the world. You have twice the number oof beggars then our entire population. I want Pak to be like Malaysia where as you deluded people think you are America. Indian websites are too afraid to post Pakistani comments which is why they are always deleted.

 

[big_gamer007]

And you should also learn something about Pak before posting here and read a bit. The reports you are on about among many others also tell us about the millions of problems in India related to poverty that you choose to ignore. We come more then close in fact potentially are in a different league to you. It is you not us who has the most number of slums, prostitutes, sick people and poor people in the world. You have twice the number oof beggars then our entire population. I want Pak to be like Malaysia where as you deluded people think you are America. Indian websites are too afraid to post Pakistani comments which is why they are always deleted.

No one denied anything your original post was India is poor its not its top 20 wealthiest country do a google search and it will show you.. Many Indians are poor no one is arguing that so why are you parroting that again and again?

Regarding Pakistan I could care less they can become the next America it won't affect me in anyways so if you are doing good then that's good for you..

 

[big_gamer007]

Obv sheer number wise. top 5. Which countries could be more?

Because that's how you're looking at other metrics whereas for me per capita is the ideal metric

As expected no reply

If India has a lot of wealth, India also has the most poverty

Why wouldn't I reply? I was busy so didn't reply but yes you are right India has wealth and India has a huge population which is extremely poor.. And by sheer numbers probably the highest number of poor are in India.. Why would I hide that it's the truth..

No one denies India has lot of poverty but as a country it has a lot of wealth..

E.G.:

You earn $100 whereas I earn $200 so I have more wealth than you however I have to spend that $200 on 20 family members whereas you have to spend on only 2 family members.. You the value of your money per person is much more than value of my money per person.. In addition in India out of $200, 180 would be used by 2-3 people rest will be divided amongst the rest.. So that increases extreme levels of poverty..

It's a simple argument really I hope it's clear now coz I get bored with same discussions unlike my other friends [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] you can take it forward with them I can't explain it anymore..

 

[Napa]

Why wouldn't I reply? I was busy so didn't reply but yes you are right India has wealth and India has a huge population which is extremely poor.. And by sheer numbers probably the highest number of poor are in India.. Why would I hide that it's the truth..

No one denies India has lot of poverty but as a country it has a lot of wealth..

E.G.:

You earn $100 whereas I earn $200 so I have more wealth than you however I have to spend that $200 on 20 family members whereas you have to spend on only 2 family members.. You the value of your money per person is much more than value of my money per person.. In addition in India out of $200, 180 would be used by 2-3 people rest will be divided amongst the rest.. So that increases extreme levels of poverty..

It's a simple argument really I hope it's clear now coz I get bored with same discussions unlike my other friends [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] you can take it forward with them I can't explain it anymore..

You are bored with this discussion and you think I am not... ouch!

 

[hafeezrocks]

'More poor' in India than Africa

http://www.bbc.com/news/10609407

Don't know what is being fed to Indians on Government Sponsored Nationalist channels but the image of India is still that of a Poor, Backward and Overpopulated Country.

 

[CricketCartoons]

'More poor' in India than Africa

http://www.bbc.com/news/10609407

Don't know what is being fed to Indians on Government Sponsored Nationalist channels but the image of India is still that of a Poor, Backward and Overpopulated Country.

Per capita is not the right measure of wealth, otherwise the tiny country of Qatar would be the richest. Per patriam is the right measure. I have also studied economics in my childhood.

 

[PakLFC]

No one denied anything your original post was India is poor its not its top 20 wealthiest country do a google search and it will show you.. Many Indians are poor no one is arguing that so why are you parroting that again and again?

Regarding Pakistan I could care less they can become the next America it won't affect me in anyways so if you are doing good then that's good for you..

I want you to accept that India is one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa then I will let it go! Google search will show me what? Thanks for finally praising Pakistan when some mail's back you had spoken poorly about it. I just set the record straight.

 

[Napa]

I want you to accept that India is one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa then I will let it go!

Given that you call yourself "defender of Pakistan" I think you should really not be trying to get anyone to admit Indian poverty, given that India's per cap GDP income is whopping 29.4% greater than Pakistan's. If [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] was to admit that "India is one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa" where would that leave Pakistan?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Actually the states of India which border Pakistan (Hayana, Punjab, Delhi and Gujarat) have a per capita income 100%+ greater than Pakistan's ($6,600 compared to $5,100). Even Bangladesh recently overtook Pakistan in nominal per cap GDP.

Beyond per cap GDP, there is also the issue of modern industry. India produces 4.4 million autos per annum compared to Pakistan's 0.2 million. It has modern software and pharma firms that have market capitalizations of tens of billions of dollars. Multinational firms like Google, MS, Accenture, IBM etc. have a large part of their work done in India. Where is Pakistan in comparison? It exports textiles, soccer balls and mangos to India (which is great if you live in Delhi as these mangos are very good and arrive late in the season when other mangos are gone).

Instead of spending you energy arguing about India, your time would be better served thinking about how to improve Pakistan's economy. Here is a tip. No country has ever developed economically if the Army runs the economy, and don't expect Pakistan to be an exception.

 

[Napa]

Given that you call yourself "defender of Pakistan" I think you should really not be trying to get anyone to admit Indian poverty, given that India's per cap GDP income is whopping 29.4% greater than Pakistan's. If [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] was to admit that "India is one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa" where would that leave Pakistan?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Actually the states of India which border Pakistan (Hayana, Punjab, Delhi and Gujarat) have a per capita income 100%+ greater than Pakistan's ($6,600 compared to $5,100). Even Bangladesh recently overtook Pakistan in nominal per cap GDP.

Beyond per cap GDP, there is also the issue of modern industry. India produces 4.4 million autos per annum compared to Pakistan's 0.2 million. It has modern software and pharma firms that have market capitalizations of tens of billions of dollars. Multinational firms like Google, MS, Accenture, IBM etc. have a large part of their work done in India. Where is Pakistan in comparison? It exports textiles, soccer balls and mangos to India (which is great if you live in Delhi as these mangos are very good and arrive late in the season when other mangos are gone).

Instead of spending you energy arguing about India, your time would be better served thinking about how to improve Pakistan's economy. Here is a tip. No country has ever developed economically if the Army runs the economy, and don't expect Pakistan to be an exception.

Correction: The bracket ($6,600 compared to $5,100) in the above post was misplaced. If should have come after the sentence "I think you should really not be trying to get anyone to admit Indian poverty, given that India's per cap GDP income is whopping 29.4% greater than Pakistan's."

 

[Oxfordchamp]

To further this,

https://scroll.in/latest/850984/hsb...hird-largest-economy-in-the-world-by-2028-pti

 

[PakLFC]

Given that you call yourself "defender of Pakistan" I think you should really not be trying to get anyone to admit Indian poverty, given that India's per cap GDP income is whopping 29.4% greater than Pakistan's. If [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] was to admit that "India is one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa" where would that leave Pakistan?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Actually the states of India which border Pakistan (Hayana, Punjab, Delhi and Gujarat) have a per capita income 100%+ greater than Pakistan's ($6,600 compared to $5,100). Even Bangladesh recently overtook Pakistan in nominal per cap GDP.

Beyond per cap GDP, there is also the issue of modern industry. India produces 4.4 million autos per annum compared to Pakistan's 0.2 million. It has modern software and pharma firms that have market capitalizations of tens of billions of dollars. Multinational firms like Google, MS, Accenture, IBM etc. have a large part of their work done in India. Where is Pakistan in comparison? It exports textiles, soccer balls and mangos to India (which is great if you live in Delhi as these mangos are very good and arrive late in the season when other mangos are gone).

Instead of spending you energy arguing about India, your time would be better served thinking about how to improve Pakistan's economy. Here is a tip. No country has ever developed economically if the Army runs the economy, and don't expect Pakistan to be an exception.

Never mind Pakistan as we don't claim to be a rising super power or nonsense like that whilst million's starve on the streets. That is the crux of the matter and the difference between two people. As stated before that your growing economy only makes the rich even wealthier. Do you not have the commonsense to understand this simple point? You will produce more of everything with a population of well over a billion compared to Pak's 200 million, again it is basic economics, Einstein!. If we do not want western democracy than that is none of your business and yes we are concerned about our economy. Once again, admit that India is a third world country and superpower wannabe!

 

[Napa]

Never mind Pakistan as we don't claim to be a rising super power or nonsense like that whilst million's starve on the streets.

Really? I didn't know there was a survey conduced in which a majority of Indians said they were a "rising super power". What does a "super power" mean anyway? India has been making progress in different areas and is now a top ten nation in many areas, like pharam, space, software etc.

You need a reality check, I don't think Indians care about your opinion whether they should feel proud of these achievements or not.

That is the crux of the matter and the difference between two people. As stated before that your growing economy only makes the rich even wealthier. Do you not have the commonsense to understand this simple point?

"growing economy only makes the rich even wealthier"? As usual you are just making up stuff. I can tell you that drivers in Delhi gets a monthly salary of INR 18,000 (about PKR 25,000), which is about 3 times in real terms what they earned 20 years ago.

You will produce more of everything with a population of well over a billion compared to Pak's 200 million, again it is basic economics, Einstein!.

Population is a really pathetic excuse for underperformance. Malaysia with a sixth of the population and less talented people has a per capita PPP GDP 400% higher than Pakistan's.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/my.html

Malaysia's per cap GDP is 300% higher than India's, I accept that and you won't find me going around denigrating Malaysia.

If we do not want western democracy than that is none of your business and yes we are concerned about our economy. Once again, admit that India is a third world country and superpower wannabe!

"superpower wannabe". Was that from another survey of Indians, maybe Pew or Gallup?

Again, it is more useful for you to think about how to make your own country better than spending your time calling India names like "superpower wannabe".

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

I don't need a survey as word of mouth is what I believe in more. Even if a survey took place you expect over 1 billion to participate? We do not need views of India or its people either so feel free not to reply to my posts! I will keep speaking and passing my views on the third world mess that is India like it or not.

I can tell you the astonishing poverty rates in India as well. Had the misfortune to visit your beloved mother land some years hating every minute off it. In case you ask why I went it was out of compulsion, could not wait to leave the wasteland!

Population is neither always right nor wrong neither did I compare Pakistan to Malaysia. I know they are way ahead of us at everything. If you Indian's behave like a third world country then I would not feel the need to remind you off all I do. Canada, USA or the UK boasting about greatness I can understand. India???))

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]I don't need a survey as word of mouth is what I believe in more.

Actually it is worse than "word of mouth", it is your delusions fed by confirmation bias.

Even if a survey took place you expect over 1 billion to participate?

It appears that you did not understand I was being sarcastic in response to your proclamations about what Indians think.

We do not need views of India or its people either so feel free not to reply to my posts! I will keep speaking and passing my views on the third world mess that is India like it or not.

As I said, India has modern industries and is rapidly developing. If you feel the need to keep bad mouthing it, be my guest. While Indians keep eating the mangos you grow!

I can tell you the astonishing poverty rates in India as well. Had the misfortune to visit your beloved mother land some years hating every minute off it. In case you ask why I went it was out of compulsion, could not wait to leave the wasteland!

I hope next time staying in a proper hotel is possible for you. Like I said, you say India has "astonishing poverty rates", where does that leave your country when India's per cap PPP GDP is 29.4% higher?

Here is a picture of the "wasteland" which I rather like:

Population is neither always right nor wrong neither did I compare Pakistan to Malaysia. I know they are way ahead of us at everything. If you Indian's behave like a third world country then I would not feel the need to remind you off all I do. Canada, USA or the UK boasting about greatness I can understand. India???))

Dude, you need to stop obsessing about India and think of improving your own country. If Indians send an orbiter to Mars, or supply pharmaceuticals to the African masses, or produce CEOs for the world's largest firms, then Indians will decide for themselves whether to feel proud or not, they won't wait for your permission.

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Rather you people ignorantly believe for your dirt poor country to be heaven on earth. So dishonest are you that won't admit "India is a third world country". Talk about false pride

Or perhaps you have now decided that your comment was sarcasm after I said billion people can not vote on any matter

Modern industry does not negate your massive problems or is that to close to the bone for you to accept? Glad you like our mangoes, your red onions are yummy as well.

I can show you some great pics of Pak as well. Even war zones like Iraq and Syria will be able to do the same. Once again, we don't claim for Pakistan to be the next Canada like you do))

If you don't like my comments then don't let the door hit you!! Indians's openly make judgements on Pak without even visiting it. I am doing the same so what is the problem, I am aware there are a few good things happening in India as well.

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Rather you people ignorantly believe for your dirt poor country to be heaven on earth. So dishonest are you that won't admit "India is a third world country". Talk about false pride

So tell me something. You have $20 in your bank account. Your neighbor has $400 in his bank account. You walk up to him and say "you are dirt poor". What do you think he will do? He will first be confused, then laugh off whatever you are saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves

 

[humzy]

I think as a general world view people look at a 3rd world country vs a 1st world country and see the vast difference in poverty levels, standards of living, cleanliness, infrastructure, technology etc.

Therefore when people look at India they see a socially poor country, yes it may have a lot of rich people and a growing middle class however it is still a 3rd world country with very basic standards of living not met by large amounts of people, thats what makes the difference between a first world country and a 3rd world country.

Just because your GDP is high it doesn't mean it will directly correlate to the overall populations standards of living. Having a bunch of rich people separated by a bunch of poor people does not make you a rich country.

A rich country is that which has a strong minimum standard of living across the whole population rather then just a few rich. This is why countries like Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Australia are so in demand for immigration.

 

[Napa]

I think as a general world view people look at a 3rd world country vs a 1st world country and see the vast difference in poverty levels, standards of living, cleanliness, infrastructure, technology etc.

Therefore when people look at India they see a socially poor country, yes it may have a lot of rich people and a growing middle class however it is still a 3rd world country with very basic standards of living not met by large amounts of people, thats what makes the difference between a first world country and a 3rd world country.

Just because your GDP is high it doesn't mean it will directly correlate to the overall populations standards of living. Having a bunch of rich people separated by a bunch of poor people does not make you a rich country.

A rich country is that which has a strong minimum standard of living across the whole population rather then just a few rich. This is why countries like Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Australia are so in demand for immigration.

The reality is complicated. India is neither a "rich country", nor is it "one of the poorest countries in the world comparable to western Africa".

Beyond rich people and poor people, there is also the issue of advanced industries. If you look at Canada and Australia's largest market cap firm, they are either mining or banking. In terms of high tech industries these countries lag behind, even though they are able to provide most of their population with a higher standard of living.

 

[Chrish]

India is a third world country. Not really sure why it's so difficult to swallow for some people. Yes they are marginally better than Pakistan but frankly that's not something to be proud of.

It's like Tom is arguing that he is smarter than Harry just because he scored 50 out of 100 on a test vs Harry's score of 30, without realizing that both of them have failed the test at the end of the day.

 

[Napa]

India is a third world country. Not really sure why it's so difficult to swallow for some people. Yes they are marginally better than Pakistan but frankly that's not something to be proud of.

It's like Tom is arguing that he is smarter than Harry just because he scored 50 out of 100 on a test vs Harry's score of 30, without realizing that both of them have failed the test at the end of the day.

The world is more complicated than just simplistic ideas of rich and poor. There is also the issue of the level of development of industry, of science and technology, and of educational institutions. Not all countries with the same percentage level of poverty are at the same level.

 

[Chrish]

The world is more complicated than just simplistic ideas of rich and poor. There is also the issue of the level of development of industry, of science and technology, and of educational institutions. Not all countries with the same percentage level of poverty are at the same level.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't decide which country belongs to 3rd world group and which one doesn't.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oops. Wrong thread. I thought this was about a widow being deported to her country.

 

[Napa]

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't decide which country belongs to 3rd world group and which one doesn't.

I am sure you have your definition of what is and is not 3rd world. You are welcome to spend your time ruminating that issue while Indians continue developing their space program, their pharma firms, their auto firms, their business services firms, their software firms, their educational institutions etc. It's a free world and people have the choice of deciding how to spend their time.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am sure you have your definition of what is and is not 3rd world. You are welcome to spend your time ruminating that issue while Indians continue developing their space program, their pharma firms, their auto firms, their business services firms, their software firms, their educational institutions etc. It's a free world and people have the choice of deciding how to spend their time.

Well said Napa. Hater's gonna hate....

 

[Chrish]

I am sure you have your definition of what is and is not 3rd world. You are welcome to spend your time ruminating that issue while Indians continue developing their space program, their pharma firms, their auto firms, their business services firms, their software firms, their educational institutions etc. It's a free world and people have the choice of deciding how to spend their time.

Twisting words won't change the truth..

 

[Snak3eye5]

The true mark of progress of a nation is measured by factors such as industry, sports, education, successful government, technology, lifestyle, Mediciine, Agriculture, Trade, Cinema, Industry, Space exploration, Tourism. Though some of this is kinda there and is running kinda ok in both countries and in some fields both countries are doing great and in some fields its practically non existent. The fact is that both countries are still struggling with issues like poverty, sanitation, gender equality, corruption.

Both countries lack light years behind in things that are considered normal in the west like better access to education, sanitation, women empowerment and sports.India struggles with poverty even though they have a rising middle class. Pakistan struggles with unsuccessful government leaders who keep getting re-elected that can't complete a full term in office.

We need to look at countries like US and look at what they did better and emulate that rather than choose to JUDGE what the neighbour next door is doing ....

 

[PakLFC]

So tell me something. You have $20 in your bank account. Your neighbor has $400 in his bank account. You walk up to him and say "you are dirt poor". What do you think he will do? He will first be confused, then laugh off whatever you are saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves

Well compared to him I would be dirt poor. In India's case the problem is far more realistic where 400 million below the poverty line. No link you give me can change that.