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Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
 
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Savak said:
PSL's best bowlers won't even be selected as Net bowlers in the IPL. Shaheen however will be a dream to face with his fully pitched up slot bowling.
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The standards have fallen drastically in last few years.
 
Hellion said:
Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
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Lol nice bait
 
Hellion said:
Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
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No one.. Bumrah has an outside chance. Arshdeep on any left hander. No chance.. Shake a tree in Pakistan and 4-5 Phast bowlers will come out.. 3 of them left handed. @Nikhil_cric
 
LOL... All indian pacers in current National team will make it easily.
 
nish_mate said:
Why would PSL choose Indian bowlers when they got the fearsome Bangla pace battery to choose from..... :fizz
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Bangla seamers won't bowl with the same fire because they are scared and are in awe of Pakistanis, being former Pakistanis themselves.
 
I know this is a troll thread, but I haven't been super impressed with the Indian bowlers in this year's IPL.

Feel like a lot of them have stagnated, gone backwards, or entirely disappeared - Khaleel Ahmed, Avesh Khan, Mohsin Khan, Kartik Tyagi, Kuldeep Sen, Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav.

All of them were capable of bowling 140Ks, but none of them have delivered consistently at a high-level.

You still have Mohit Sharma huffing and puffing his way to the crease at 37, so yeah, Indian fast bowling looks in brittle shape.
 
Bumrah, Arshdeep will make it for sure.

Siraj probably

Others will struggle to get into PSL competing against international and local Pakistani pacers who are generally better. Let’s not kid ourselves Pakistan don’t have a Bumrah right now but they’re still a decent pace bowling nation.
 
IPL has friggin Satyanarayana bowling for a top franchise.

He won't even make it to a National T20 team in Pakistan, let alone PSL.
 
Hardik Pandya would be good enough to make the PSL merely as a pace bowler.

Pakistan's bowling stocks are at an all-time low.
 
Even someone like Mohammad Abbas was on par with Bumrah, we were told . If Abbas can't get a PSL contract , no Indian can.

Just not talented enough.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bumrah, Arshdeep will make it for sure.

Siraj probably

Others will struggle to get into PSL competing against international and local Pakistani pacers who are generally better. Let’s not kid ourselves Pakistan don’t have a Bumrah right now but they’re still a decent pace bowling nation.
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Bahut zyada comedy kar rahe ho aap
 
Pak has great fast bowling stock locally who generally prefer to perform better in PSL due to much higher quality batsmen and competitive nature of thr tournament. Bumrah will make it and probably will do fine. Arshadeep might get in at a lower price and may get in few games here and there. Don't see anyone else getting picked up. Too much competition from pak local talent and internationals and even if they somehow make it they will get murdered by ruthless pakistani batsmen
 
Bro I hope this is sarcastic.
SportsWarrior said:
Pak has great fast bowling stock locally who generally prefer to perform better in PSL due to much higher quality batsmen and competitive nature of thr tournament. Bumrah will make it and probably will do fine. Arshadeep might get in at a lower price and may get in few games here and there. Don't see anyone else getting picked up. Too much competition from pak local talent and internationals and even if they somehow make it they will get murdered by ruthless pakistani batsmen
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Sachin fan said:
You said among one of the highest paid. Why would all the highest paid be reserved for batsmen only?
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I never said that it is reserved. I just mentioned that babar is the most hyped guy is PSL atm IMO...
 
jamie smith fan said:
Bro I hope this is sarcastic.
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Have you seen Pakistani fast bowlers? Have you seen their pace, bounce and ability to run through the opposition batting line ups? They are the masters as far as fast bowling is concerned. With great superstar bowlers to look up to and well oiled bowling factory in place they make it very difficult for any country to replicate the same kind of success

You see bowling is natural to Pakistanis. It’s like doing any other day to day activities to them. The 140+ kph bowlers which rest of the world carefully nurtures are a dime a dozen in Pakistan. Go to every nook and corner or Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore you can find them playing in every ground.

More importantly past legends and PCB is great in nurturing talent. They provide the necessary training, mentoring and support needed to make already very good bowlers into modern day greats.

Of course Pakistan also has what is inarguably the greatest t20 league in the world. Best of best batsman from rest of the world along with greats of Pakistan participate in this league and allow bowlers to sharpen their toolsets.

And by the way facing these fearsome bowlers is what makes Babar, Rizwan, Saud, Agha etc such a scary batsman for opponents. Have you forgotten the phaintha India got when Pak decided to show their true skills against India? 152/0 hello?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bumrah, Arshdeep will make it for sure.

Siraj probably

Others will struggle to get into PSL competing against international and local Pakistani pacers who are generally better. Let’s not kid ourselves Pakistan don’t have a Bumrah right now but they’re still a decent pace bowling nation.
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Khaleel also might make it.

He’s turned into a great mentor for young pacers.
 
125 kph Sandeep Sharma is a frontline bowler in IPL :haha Won't even make Under 19 's of domestic teams in Pakistan.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Have you seen Pakistani fast bowlers? Have you seen their pace, bounce and ability to run through the opposition batting line ups? They are the masters as far as fast bowling is concerned. With great superstar bowlers to look up to and well oiled bowling factory in place they make it very difficult for any country to replicate the same kind of success

You see bowling is natural to Pakistanis. It’s like doing any other day to day activities to them. The 140+ kph bowlers which rest of the world carefully nurtures are a dime a dozen in Pakistan. Go to every nook and corner or Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore you can find them playing in every ground.

More importantly past legends and PCB is great in nurturing talent. They provide the necessary training, mentoring and support needed to make already very good bowlers into modern day greats.

Of course Pakistan also has what is inarguably the greatest t20 league in the world. Best of best batsman from rest of the world along with greats of Pakistan participate in this league and allow bowlers to sharpen their toolsets.

And by the way facing these fearsome bowlers is what makes Babar, Rizwan, Saud, Agha etc such a scary batsman for opponents. Have you forgotten the phaintha India got when Pak decided to show their true skills against India? 152/0 hello?
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Must be the gosht....
 
Hellion said:
Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
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Highest bowling standard my foot.. whole world saw your bowlers standards in ICC tournaments and nz tour..our uncapped bowlers bowl better than your premium bowlers..If PSL franchise get opportunity to select Indian bowlers from IPL then they will drop all Pak bowlers and play with Indian bowlers.. either you are Sarcastic or highly delusional..
 
chakdeindian said:
Highest bowling standard my foot.. whole world saw your bowlers standards in ICC tournaments and nz tour..our uncapped bowlers bowl better than your premium bowlers..If PSL franchise get opportunity to select Indian bowlers from IPL then they will drop all Pak bowlers and play with Indian bowlers.. either you are Sarcastic or highly delusional..
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Pipe down. We have Sandeep Sharma and Satyanarayana type uber trun
ndlers bowling as frontline bowlers in our so called premier league.

High school teams in Pakistan will have faster bowlers.

Whence the arrogance ?

Only 3 bowlers have even clocked 145 kph in the IPL this year - Prasidh , Siraj. :haha Forget about 150 kph.

Bowlers clocking 90 mph are dime a dozen in Pakistan
 
Indian bowlers can't even get selected in the ZimAfro T10 league and you want them selected in the PSL? 🤣
 
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Some 15-20 years ago, they would have struggled to make the team. Remember, Sohail Tanvir was the highest wicket-taker in the inaugural IPL 2007/2008. However, today, all fast bowlers who have represented India in T20s can easily secure a spot in any PSL side.
 
Hellion said:
Pipe down. We have Sandeep Sharma and Satyanarayana type uber trun
ndlers bowling as frontline bowlers in our so called premier league.

High school teams in Pakistan will have faster bowlers.

Whence the arrogance ?

Only 3 bowlers have even clocked 145 kph in the IPL this year - Prasidh , Siraj. :haha Forget about 150 kph.

Bowlers clocking 90 mph are dime a dozen in Pakistan
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Lol this is like Pak fans thinking anyone who can hit a couple of sixes is more talented than sachin and kohli. Just like batting is not just blind slogging, good bowling has nothing to do with speedguns.

You must be an indian fan from the 90s?
 
Sachin fan said:
Lol this is like Pak fans thinking anyone who can hit a couple of sixes is more talented than sachin and kohli. Just like batting is not just blind slogging, good bowling has nothing to do with speedguns.

You must be an indian fan from the 90s?
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Na we may have some talent but Pakistan is the land of fastest bowlers..
 
Sachin fan said:
Lol this is like Pak fans thinking anyone who can hit a couple of sixes is more talented than sachin and kohli. Just like batting is not just blind slogging, good bowling has nothing to do with speedguns.

You must be an indian fan from the 90s?
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You aren't detecting sarcasm.
 
Hellion said:
125 kph Sandeep Sharma is a frontline bowler in IPL :haha Won't even make Under 19 's of domestic teams in Pakistan.
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I know you are being sarcastic but this is true. IPL has substandard trundlers like Sndeep, Daya, Natranjan and Rana...these guys won't make it to Peshawar mohalla 11.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I know you are being sarcastic but this is true. IPL has substandard trundlers like Sndeep, Daya, Natranjan and Rana...these guys won't make it to Peshawar mohalla 11.
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Pakistanis have more physical talent than we will ever have. No sarcasm.

If they weren't so insufferably paindu, they'd be dominating us :inti
 
jamie smith fan said:
Bumrah,shami,siraj,bk,thakur,Arshdeep,Dayal,Hardik,Rasikh Salam,Rana.
These will easily walk into any psl side.
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Dayal :afridi1

Have you actually seen him bowl? He is an absolute rubbish medium-pacer.

Infact only a handful of these bowlers are decent bowlers.
 
I thought this was a troll thread but tbh after watching the IPL for the last few days, I understand where OP is coming from. He is not saying who has the more complete fast-bowlers, he is talking purely from a talent stand-point. And when it comes to raw fast-bowling talent, PSL blows the IPL out of the water and it isn't even close. There is a serious dearth of fast-bowling talent in India, which is what makes it even more astounding how India have such a significantly better pace-attack than us.

It's not just that the pitches are flat. The quality of fast-bowling is also highly questionable.

The two out and out express pacers that IPL has managed to produce in recent years are Umran Malik and Mayank Yadav. Umran isn't even good enough to play for most club cricket teams, while Mayank is very injury-prone.

Just goes to show the difference that a top-notch system makes on the end-result. And why all the talent in the world cannot substitute for a proper system and structure. Where Pakistan and India's pace-bowling is today is a reflection of just that.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I know you are being sarcastic but this is true. IPL has substandard trundlers like Sndeep, Daya, Natranjan and Rana...these guys won't make it to Peshawar mohalla 11.
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Natrajan literally won us a test series in australia which even your legends like wasim, waqar couldn't. Rana has debuted way better than Naseem.

You guys should dream to have such bowlers.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I thought this was a troll thread but tbh after watching the IPL for the last few days, I understand where OP is coming from. He is not saying who has the more complete fast-bowlers, he is talking purely from a talent stand-point. And when it comes to raw fast-bowling talent, PSL blows the IPL out of the water and it isn't even close. There is a serious dearth of fast-bowling talent in India, which is what makes it even more astounding how India have such a significantly better pace-attack than us.

It's not just that the pitches are flat. The quality of fast-bowling is also highly questionable.

The two out and out express pacers that IPL has managed to produce in recent years are Umran Malik and Mayank Yadav. Umran isn't even good enough to play for most club cricket teams, while Mayank is very injury-prone.

Just goes to show the difference that a top-notch system makes on the end-result. And why all the talent in the world cannot substitute for a proper system and structure. Where Pakistan and India's pace-bowling is today is a reflection of just that.
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Umar has only played 2 IPL and he was the highest fast bowling wicket taker in the first IPL for india and just one behind leader rabada.

You guys are carrying bowlers like Naseem shah, you can just dream to have such a bowler

And once again you are confusing speed gun readings with talent, it's like saying umar is more talented than Sachin and Kohli because he got a couple of sixes.

The day you stop confusing bowling talent for speed gun readings, you will have a pace bowler who takes 200 test wickets
 
Sachin fan said:
Umar has only played 2 IPL and he was the highest fast bowling wicket taker in the first IPL for india and just one behind leader rabada.

You guys are carrying bowlers like Naseem shah, you can just dream to have such a bowler

And once again you are confusing speed gun readings with talent, it's like saying umar is more talented than Sachin and Kohli because he got a couple of sixes.

The day you stop confusing bowling talent for speed gun readings, you will have a pace bowler who takes 200 test wickets
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I think you need to read my post again. Either you didn't read it or it went over your head because of your obvious bias.

Also I can't understand how any self-respecting cricket fan can rate Umran Malik as anything other than a street-cricketer.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I thought this was a troll thread but tbh after watching the IPL for the last few days, I understand where OP is coming from. He is not saying who has the more complete fast-bowlers, he is talking purely from a talent stand-point. And when it comes to raw fast-bowling talent, PSL blows the IPL out of the water and it isn't even close. There is a serious dearth of fast-bowling talent in India, which is what makes it even more astounding how India have such a significantly better pace-attack than us.

It's not just that the pitches are flat. The quality of fast-bowling is also highly questionable.

The two out and out express pacers that IPL has managed to produce in recent years are Umran Malik and Mayank Yadav. Umran isn't even good enough to play for most club cricket teams, while Mayank is very injury-prone.

Just goes to show the difference that a top-notch system makes on the end-result. And why all the talent in the world cannot substitute for a proper system and structure. Where Pakistan and India's pace-bowling is today is a reflection of just that.
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All that needs to be said. India cannot match the raw talent in Pakistan.
 
IAJ said:
Some 15-20 years ago, they would have struggled to make the team. Remember, Sohail Tanvir was the highest wicket-taker in the inaugural IPL 2007/2008. However, today, all fast bowlers who have represented India in T20s can easily secure a spot in any PSL side.
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Surely not Mukesh Kumar. He is worse than Mohammed Ali
 
Hellion said:
Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
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Tumhari yeh zurrat ... that you are even thinking of such possibilities .... forget PSL start with the lowest divisional cricket team ..... MAYBE Bumrah could get selected there and then we can celebrate. Baby bowlers Baby steps. The likes of Arshdeep Siraj Shami etc can start with Gully cricket in Lahore ... but absolutely no Chance of getting into any PSL team.
 
I see Indian fans are gloating after a few years of success. :inti

They shouldn't forget their pace attack was always a joke until around 10 years ago.

You are unlikely to see this type of petty gloating from Aussie fans even though Australia has always been the land of pace bowlers. :inti
 
Hellion said:
Since PSL has the highest bowling standard amongst all leagues , It will be very difficult to even consider Indian seamers in PSL

But out of interest who do you think could make it to a PSL franchise on merit ?

I would think Bumrah would make it to PSL but I'm not sure any other Indian fast bowler would make it.

Pakistani franchises value high pace which is not that common among Indian bowlers .
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I doubt even Bumrah finds a place in PSL as there is a tough competition among the faaaast bowlers in PSL. Bumrah at the most can play as 12th man ... feeding drinks, juices and most importantly bananas during the breaks. It is a dream for any fast bowler to find a place in PSL.
 
I don't know why my messages are invisible to people...

The PSL seems to have high bowling standards due to ridiculously poor batting standards....

The bowling standards are exposed in international matches and series and tournaments.. where even B C D level teams thrash their bowling into oblivion. Chapman who cannot buy an run against other established teams destroys every Pakistani bowler he faces... It clearly shows what the actual standard of Pakistani bowling is now.

Its high time people wake up to the fact that Pakistan cricket is below international standard as of this current era.
 
Croma said:
I don't know why my messages are invisible to people...

The PSL seems to have high bowling standards due to ridiculously poor batting standards....

The bowling standards are exposed in international matches and series and tournaments.. where even B C D level teams thrash their bowling into oblivion. Chapman who cannot buy an run against other established teams destroys every Pakistani bowler he faces... It clearly shows what the actual standard of Pakistani bowling is now.

Its high time people wake up to the fact that Pakistan cricket is below international standard as of this current era.
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Bro..you are spoiling the fun of this thread. :yk


Read all the posts carefully and you'll see where this is going
 
Pakistan doesn’t have a single world class bowler right now, the likes of Nahid Rana, Taskin, Shoriful are showing more promise and performances than Pakistani pacers.

Pakistan has some raw talent but it quickly diminishes, Naseem started as a 145 kph bowler, now he bowls a couple of balls in that range and rest of them are in late 130s, Shaheen has no zip in his ball, pace off the deck is missing.

Rauf has pace and bounce but he isn’t skilled enough.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pakistan doesn’t have a single world class bowler right now, the likes of Nahid Rana, Taskin, Shoriful are showing more promise and performances than Pakistani pacers.

Pakistan has some raw talent but it quickly diminishes, Naseem started as a 145 kph bowler, now he bowls a couple of balls in that range and rest of them are in late 130s, Shaheen has no zip in his ball, pace off the deck is missing.

Rauf has pace and bounce but he isn’t skilled enough.
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You and @Sachin fan need to get with the program... Shake a tree in Pakistan and you get 16, 19 and 22 year old fastest bowlers throwing the ball like a missile at 159KPH.
 
sweep_shot said:
I see Indian fans are gloating after a few years of success. :inti

They shouldn't forget their pace attack was always a joke until around 10 years ago.

You are unlikely to see this type of petty gloating from Aussie fans even though Australia has always been the land of pace bowlers. :inti
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Why is a Bangladeshi gloating about Australians?
 
Let's be honest guys. Indian Pacers are lightyears ahead in terms of skill set and execution. With this, All Their pacers would pretty much walk in to every Psl team.
 
The perception that Pakistan has amazing fast bowling talent is not too off- here is the difference though.

A raw product fast bowler from Pak looks very appealing- good height, athletic, quick arm action, pace and basic swing and seam skills. Immediately to appease the public he is fast tracked.

However after initial success they refuse to learn and adapt so never improve or if they don’t succeed they are terribly mismanaged and wasted away.

Indian system works differently. You find a cricketer who checks a lot of boxes, you work on that player and help him increase his skills and method to succeed at the highest level: there is no guarantee to even that but there is a pathway and a process to success. If you don’t improve, you don’t get a shot. I bet a bowler like Umran Malik or Tyagi would play a lot more in Pak team (not accounting for politics , mismanagement etc) because of raw pace.
 
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